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What do we do? Vetting for PDs are as strict and extensive as ever. The process is actually very intricate, taking up to several months BEFORE formal and on the job training. I know one solution. Include intense combatives training and force on force training, during and regularly after training for police. They need to get used to being in a fight, being stressed, and being calm and logical within a stressful confrontation. They need to know what it feels like to get punched, put into a choke, head locked, etc. All of this should be DAILY and FREE There you go, I just solved the police-Black-use of force issue LMFAO.
Yeah I’ve seen it around. But it’s clear to me, personally as well as the shit going on lately, that the police as an institution need a drastic change, because what is here is not working.
Well, I personally do not know what the drastic change is, truly. If you’re already vetting extensively.And have hundreds of policies in place. What next? I think we have to ask: Is police brutality really common throughout the country? What does “common” mean? Also, I do want to add, I don’t think the blue wall of SILENCE exists. Yes, BlueLivesMatter exists, but silence? Except for a few instances, police officers are usually not going to remain quiet if they see another officer conducting significant injustice. If police reform is needed, I’m okay with that. If we need to oust corruption from certain PD’s, I’m good with that. BUT... let’s not succumb to the crowd pressure. George Floyd is bad, let’s get justice for that, but the entire Minneapolis PD and other PD’s across the country? They’re truly unrelated. You know the saying “Not your father’s root beer.” Well, today it’s “Not your father’s police.” In other words, police in almost a century ago, were truly discriminatory ALL throughout the US. Today, not even close. @Agape93I think people are mad and are being unreasonable. A&E cancelled LivePD!! Lol, I loved that show. What’s canceling LivePD got to do with anything? They also cancelled COPS too, but I think LivePD was better. Again, pressure to the mob. You think the celebrities care about #blackouttuesday? No, they don’t. They either want to virtue signal or they have no choice because of the position they’re in, so they feel pressured. Both maybe.
This whole issue is truly tiring to be honest. The answers are so clear, but people are being too unreasonable.
@Agape93 for President!!!
lol thanks. Whilst some of it is unreasonable, a drastic change is needed. What is in place isn’t working. The culture that is in place is toxic. It needs a drastic restructuring to earn trust again.
May I ask, what culture do you think is in place?
That thin blue line crap. The notion of protecting each other from the civilians, of expecting the police to hold accountable the illegal acts of police, of not reporting abuses of power by other officers. It’s the classic “us vs them”.
Mhmmmmmm... I don’t think that exists as much as people think. No police officer I know, have interacted with, or heard of personally remains silent when another officer does something significant unjust or illegal. Most will and DO report injustice. I will agree with you that it does exists where it exists, but it’s certainly not as prolific as people think it is. I think those in the LE community know it doesn’t really exist, but those from the outside don’t really know. But yeah, an officer keeping quiet when seeing a colleague doing something awful is not good.
It happens enough to be a problem. Take a look at the LAPD and NYPD as key examples. They are known for that.
Mhmm maybe you’re right. Although, they’re already a lot of repercussions in place, dashcam, and body cameras to guard against that. When you have over a million police officers in the country and growing, you’re going to have quite a few instances of police misconduct. It only gets worse when you have media blowing these relatively rare occurrences up to grand proportions. ExamplePolice chief decides to divert money away from acquiring too many military surplus vehicles, and put the money towards officer training. Media: Police Chief defunds police departments! Media: Leftist police takes first step in disbanding department! I just realized, that the media and how they word things can mean ALL the difference. It can instill fears of racism in people where no racism exists. It can rile up the crowd like nothing else. Like throwing guts and blood into a shark pit. It can be extremely divisive. in my opinion? The media is the cause of the divisiveness. Not necessarily BLM or Police.Media. Black people and police just want to live their lives. Media wants to create drama and issues where little to none exists.
What good are those cameras when the cop still does it? A cop in Florida I think last year, while his body cam was on, was caught planting evidence. Cameras were on Floyd while he was murdered in front of people. Same with the guy I just posted about. Same with the cops when they shoved an old man to the ground and sent him to the hospital. Cameras don’t do shit in the end. And honestly if it’s so rare, why are we constantly seeing it, over decades? Why was a peaceful protest disbanded with tear gas and rubber bullets? Why are news crews being beaten, shot and gassed? Hell one news lady was singled out and shot in the fucking face by a rubber bullet, making her lose that eye. I understand you want to defend them, but don’t be naive.
Again, there are millions of law enforcement in the US... Even if you cite 100 right now within the past 5-10 years, perfectly, 100% objectively wrong and unjust police misconduct, you’d still have a 0.0001% rate of bad versus whatever left is good police misconduct. Even if you cite 200, 300, 400 within the past 5-10 years... you still get something WAY SMALLER than 1%... I’m 100% certain you cannot give me 400 citations of non refutable, 100% wrong, and 100% unjust police misconduct... You started with three or four right now I think. 396 more to go. And even then, you only get 0.0004% bad.
I’m not saying this you, but some people just want to see the world burn. They don’t care about black lives, as much as they hate police. They hate police so they’ll use BLM as a platform to get rid of all police. People naturally hate authority. People naturally hate being told what to do. Even if the police were 0% racist, people have enough reason to hate police by default.
There’s not even 1 million in the USA right now. Nice try. And most aren’t documented and most of the time, there’s not a damn thing we can do to stop corrupt cops short of getting them on camera, finding a DA willing to prosecute them and a jury willing to convict them. We can’t intervene. We can’t trust them to police their own comrades.
@Agape93No one knows the exact number I guess, but estimates put the number at over 800,000 at least. The number of employed police seem to be growing as well over the years. So, I think the one million is about right, but sure not exactly right. Ball park is more like it. Either way, even if it was less than a million, the actual number of misconduct is is still molecularly smaller than even 1%. We need to crack down on this where it’s an issue, but not claim it’s a pandemic or common occurrence... We can both agree it’s an issue, but I think you think it’s something of a pandemic. The majority of Americans, 64%, have a favorable view on police. Vast majority do not want to disband police, defund as well probably. What does “defund” mean? My generous interpretation would be to divert spending on non essential things and put the money towards high quality training. If anything MORE money needs to be paid to police, not less... Raise the standards, increase pay. ^^^^One way to get better candidates and more money for important training for all that is usually expensive
You also have to keep in mind the mindset of the cops right now. A lot of them feel that the whole world is against them right now for trying to do their job and follow their training. They aren’t exactly happy about that. And having another suspect in custody say the exact same, now famous, words would make plenty of people skeptical. Not trying to justify another death. It is absolutely a fucking problem that needs to be fixed.
@QuackthuluIf you don’t mind, can you take a look at what I wrote and tell me where you think I’m wrong and where you think I’m right? Agape and I exchanged dialogue as well, so if you can skim through that then that would be great. I just really want your personal take.
@EmbraceThePain Dude, its finals week. I don’t want to read a giant wall of text right now…
Okay lol. Whenever you want to or if you want to, I still would like your honest take.
Good god they said "i dont care" Fuck those assholes.
Oh and also cause many of them are racists