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Why does this keep occurring?
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It happens for a few reasons.
I've worked as a bouncer. The place I worked was rough, fighting all the time, gang violence. I've dealt with extreme violence. I've almost been stabbed and shot but luckily didn't.
Most normal people don't understand violence. They don't understand the dangers, the behaviours of violent criminals, and what it takes to restrain them especially when they're big strong guys. Aside from luck the reason I didn't get stabbed or shot is because I do.
I don't like most cops because so many of them are bent, but I understand that they have to deal with violent criminals daily. Meanwhile, most people who've never had to deal with real violence at all see something on the internet and many of the things they say are completely unrealistic and ridiculous.
Violence is always ugly. The only way to defeat a violent criminals is with violence. Forget all of the bullshit about "violence begets violence", "two wrongs don't make a right" and any other bullshit people usually say about that. You're not going to reason with them and fight them with hugs. Many of them will put you in hospital or kill you if they have the chance. Especially in America where they're armed.
Go look up the stats of the number of cops shot trying to arrest these guys, you'll find that they get shot more than the criminals do. This cops were called on this guy for brandishing a gun and shouting, when he was asked if he had a weapon he ran, and he did have a gun on him. He was also on methamphetamine, which can cause aggressive behaviour.
How many times do you think cops have heard the line "I can't breathe?" while trying to arrest somebody who is resisting? Who they've just had to struggle to put to the ground? All the time, right before the guy they're arresting tries to fight them and break free. Sure, you'll say "but he's handcuffed" - have you ever had to restraint a 200lb man on drugs? Do you have any idea what that's like or how that works?
In the report, just as with George Floyd's death, they say that the death was caused by being restrained while on methamphetamine, and that the guy had other health problems such as emphysema and heart disease, and that these were all contributing factors to his death. Being arrested is a stressful situation, only making those things worse.
With George Floyd it wasn't even the knee on the neck that killed him by the way, it was all of the same things as above. That's a restraint police are taught to use and it's very uncomfortable but it doesn't strangle or choked the person being restrained. There are also white people who've died this way in police custody, you just haven't heard of them because they were white.
So the cops arrested and restrained a guy on drugs, armed with a gun, and he died because of the health problems caused by his drug use. That's the cop's job. They didn't do anything wrong here. Literally the only reason this is being turned into anything is because the guy was black, and that's it. By people who haven't a clue about the things cops deal with.
Well, it is unfortunate and feels as if there is a significant lack of care and civility on the part of the officers when it comes to this man’s life. Although, let’s look at the context: Police were called due to someone brandishing a gun, which police pulled out of Scott’s person after catching him while he was fleeing. Now, maybe the officer didn’t think this Scott was telling the truth, probably said “I can’t breathe” to get the officer to ease up on him a little. It’s actually common for those who are experiencing police force to say things like “hey man, ease up,” “I can’t breathe, chill,” or “ouch man, calm down, I’m down.” Sometimes the officer is administering too much force and sometimes the suspect is lying/talking whatever. You have two things to consider here:
1. If the person is secure and controlled using the smallest amount of force, no other force should be used beyond this
2. What are the consequences of assuring yourself that the person can indeed breathe, isn’t actually bleeding, etc. No consequences, just check to make sure they’re okay but be safe while doing so.
Scared and untrained police are very bad at these two things. They don’t want to take any risks.
Nothing saying this case is this, but police brutality will ALWAYS exist because bad people will always exist.
Do you see the “eight can’t wait” going around @Agape93
The vast majority of police departments already have policies covering a lot of these initiatives. It’s not new. It’s not technically reform because these have already been in place for many years.
Bad people will always exist.
Mad people will always exist.
Unreasonable people will always exist.
What do we do? Vetting for PDs are as strict and extensive as ever. The process is actually very intricate, taking up to several months BEFORE formal and on the job training.
I know one solution.
Include intense combatives training and force on force training, during and regularly after training for police. They need to get used to being in a fight, being stressed, and being calm and logical within a stressful confrontation. They need to know what it feels like to get punched, put into a choke, head locked, etc. All of this should be DAILY and FREE
There you go, I just solved the police-Black-use of force issue LMFAO.
Well, I personally do not know what the drastic change is, truly.
If you’re already vetting extensively.
And have hundreds of policies in place.
What next?
I think we have to ask: Is police brutality really common throughout the country? What does “common” mean?
Also, I do want to add, I don’t think the blue wall of SILENCE exists. Yes, BlueLivesMatter exists, but silence? Except for a few instances, police officers are usually not going to remain quiet if they see another officer conducting significant injustice.
If police reform is needed, I’m okay with that.
If we need to oust corruption from certain PD’s, I’m good with that.
BUT... let’s not succumb to the crowd pressure.
George Floyd is bad, let’s get justice for that, but the entire Minneapolis PD and other PD’s across the country? They’re truly unrelated.
You know the saying “Not your father’s root beer.”
Well, today it’s “Not your father’s police.”
In other words, police in almost a century ago, were truly discriminatory ALL throughout the US. Today, not even close.
@Agape93
I think people are mad and are being unreasonable.
A&E cancelled LivePD!! Lol, I loved that show. What’s canceling LivePD got to do with anything? They also cancelled COPS too, but I think LivePD was better.
Again, pressure to the mob. You think the celebrities care about #blackouttuesday?
No, they don’t. They either want to virtue signal or they have no choice because of the position they’re in, so they feel pressured. Both maybe.
This whole issue is truly tiring to be honest.
The answers are so clear, but people are being too unreasonable.
May I ask, what culture do you think is in place?
Mhmmmmmm... I don’t think that exists as much as people think. No police officer I know, have interacted with, or heard of personally remains silent when another officer does something significant unjust or illegal. Most will and DO report injustice.
I will agree with you that it does exists where it exists, but it’s certainly not as prolific as people think it is. I think those in the LE community know it doesn’t really exist, but those from the outside don’t really know.
But yeah, an officer keeping quiet when seeing a colleague doing something awful is not good.
Mhmm maybe you’re right.
Although, they’re already a lot of repercussions in place, dashcam, and body cameras to guard against that. When you have over a million police officers in the country and growing, you’re going to have quite a few instances of police misconduct.
It only gets worse when you have media blowing these relatively rare occurrences up to grand proportions.
Example
Police chief decides to divert money away from acquiring too many military surplus vehicles, and put the money towards officer training.
Media: Police Chief defunds police departments!
Media: Leftist police takes first step in disbanding department!
I just realized, that the media and how they word things can mean ALL the difference.
It can instill fears of racism in people where no racism exists.
It can rile up the crowd like nothing else. Like throwing guts and blood into a shark pit.
It can be extremely divisive. in my opinion? The media is the cause of the divisiveness. Not necessarily BLM or Police.
Media.
Black people and police just want to live their lives.
Media wants to create drama and issues where little to none exists.
What good are those cameras when the cop still does it? A cop in Florida I think last year, while his body cam was on, was caught planting evidence. Cameras were on Floyd while he was murdered in front of people. Same with the guy I just posted about. Same with the cops when they shoved an old man to the ground and sent him to the hospital.
Cameras don’t do shit in the end. And honestly if it’s so rare, why are we constantly seeing it, over decades? Why was a peaceful protest disbanded with tear gas and rubber bullets? Why are news crews being beaten, shot and gassed? Hell one news lady was singled out and shot in the fucking face by a rubber bullet, making her lose that eye.
I understand you want to defend them, but don’t be naive.
Again, there are millions of law enforcement in the US... Even if you cite 100 right now within the past 5-10 years, perfectly, 100% objectively wrong and unjust police misconduct, you’d still have a 0.0001% rate of bad versus whatever left is good police misconduct.
Even if you cite 200, 300, 400 within the past 5-10 years... you still get something WAY SMALLER than 1%...
I’m 100% certain you cannot give me 400 citations of non refutable, 100% wrong, and 100% unjust police misconduct...
You started with three or four right now I think.
396 more to go. And even then, you only get 0.0004% bad.
I’m not saying this you, but some people just want to see the world burn.
They don’t care about black lives, as much as they hate police.
They hate police so they’ll use BLM as a platform to get rid of all police.
People naturally hate authority.
People naturally hate being told what to do.
Even if the police were 0% racist, people have enough reason to hate police by default.
There’s not even 1 million in the USA right now. Nice try. And most aren’t documented and most of the time, there’s not a damn thing we can do to stop corrupt cops short of getting them on camera, finding a DA willing to prosecute them and a jury willing to convict them.
We can’t intervene. We can’t trust them to police their own comrades.
@Agape93
No one knows the exact number I guess, but estimates put the number at over 800,000 at least. The number of employed police seem to be growing as well over the years. So, I think the one million is about right, but sure not exactly right. Ball park is more like it.
Either way, even if it was less than a million, the actual number of misconduct is is still molecularly smaller than even 1%.
We need to crack down on this where it’s an issue, but not claim it’s a pandemic or common occurrence...
We can both agree it’s an issue, but I think you think it’s something of a pandemic.
The majority of Americans, 64%, have a favorable view on police. Vast majority do not want to disband police, defund as well probably.
What does “defund” mean? My generous interpretation would be to divert spending on non essential things and put the money towards high quality training.
If anything MORE money needs to be paid to police, not less... Raise the standards, increase pay.
^^^^One way to get better candidates and more money for important training for all that is usually expensive
It's how they have been trained. To assume anyone in custody saying they can't breath is lying in the attempt to get out. I have seen cop shows where the cop even said "if you couldn't breath you wouldn't be able to talk"
You also have to keep in mind the mindset of the cops right now. A lot of them feel that the whole world is against them right now for trying to do their job and follow their training. They aren’t exactly happy about that. And having another suspect in custody say the exact same, now famous, words would make plenty of people skeptical.
Not trying to justify another death. It is absolutely a fucking problem that needs to be fixed.
@Quackthulu
If you don’t mind, can you take a look at what I wrote and tell me where you think I’m wrong and where you think I’m right? Agape and I exchanged dialogue as well, so if you can skim through that then that would be great.
I just really want your personal take.
@EmbraceThePain Dude, its finals week. I don’t want to read a giant wall of text right now…
Okay lol. Whenever you want to or if you want to, I still would like your honest take.
Cause:
-They don't give a shit
-They like abusing power
Oh and also cause many of them are racists
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I absolutely agree that these things happen too frequently, and all too often seem to involve a racist component.
However, your question asks why it keeps occurring. I think you need to consider the situation from the police perspective. They are often arresting an unstable, drug using, armed criminal. The arrest is probably taking place in a hostile environment, where they may reasonably fear attack from bystanders. They are working at a stress level way beyond anything they get paid for. And, on top of all that, they can be reasonably sure that the media are "out to get them".
It is actually surprising they do the job at all. And surely no wonder that their judgement isn't firing on all cylinders.
The ONLY reason that i can think of, and its not a good one by the way, is that the police are trying to keep control of the situation.. Again the only reason.. Not a good reason. not making excuses here.
Good god they said "i dont care" Fuck those assholes.
Police have long had a culture that is tolerant of racism and bullying. The only thing new is every onlooker has a camera.
True, but sadly as it has happened in the past they do let off. And the guy ends up attacking them.
Where is the footage of him being arrested.
All I have seen him struggling not wanting to get in the car..
Well, I have to be honest here. What happened to Froyd was a hate crime. But what happened yesterday with the protester who got shot was just. If you attack a police officer expect to get shot or killed.
Yes I agree police officers need better training on how
to handle suspects of all race
Because there is a problem.
Cause they don’t care.
Scary
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