Is the Men's Rights Movement just as justified to exist as the Women's Rights Movement?

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The MRM in particular consists of a variety of groups and individuals who focus on general social issues and specific government services which adversely impact, or in some cases structurally discriminate against, men and boys. Common topics debated within the men's rights movement include the alleged favor given to women in family law including but not limited to matters such as child custody, alimony and marital property distribution. The movement also concerns itself with parenting, reproduction, suicides, domestic violence against men, circumcision, education, conscription, social safety nets, and health policies. The men's rights movement branched off from the men's liberation movement in the early 1970s, with both groups comprising a part of the larger men's movement.

Littlemissbrat · Accepted Answer

Feminism did its job. It can fucking die now. Men's rights is actually relevant.

Male abuse victims in all facets get ignored
Men can't hit women in self defense
Men are expected to be the main provider
Men are expected to pay for the date
Men are shamed because of their height or penis size
Men are told to open up and when they do they are called weak
Men are expected to buy expensive diamond rings and clothes

WildButterflyKiss · Accepted Answer

Start by looking at suicide rates and homelessness rates for men. Next you can look at education statistics for men and women. Learn the facts. You will see that society is attacking men much more than women.

MzAsh · Answer

There are some valid arguments to be made for certain circumstances regarding alimony and custody laws, but I also understand why women are awarded favorable custody and alimony payments in a lot of cases too. It’s just too bad there are no prominent male voices that are also reasonable and well behaved.

DeltaCharlieEcho · Answer

Far more justified if you ask me. Women in the west live a life of relative luxury and have far more protections and opportunities in life than men do. At this point feminism is fighting for female superiority and stopping men of all of our opportunities and access to self respect and personal responsibility. Not only are most men now considered unmarriageable directly due to shifts in the education system that favor females even though they do let quality work in general. The system has been together against men, providing women with a grain bias 30% higher than men turning in the exact same work. This starts all the way back in elementary school where physical education, recess, and kinesthetic teaching styles are being cut; there are virtually no male teachers until high school and they're generally only found in history and econ classes.

All the while we medicate boots because they can't sit still in a classroom. Don't even get me started on family law, where having a dick means you have 0 rights to custody since the court system is so bored against men.

You hear all this talk of women's health this and planned parenthood that but when do you ever hear about men's health concerns? I'm sure it's not like you haven't heard that 75% of suicides in the world are men; there are active campaigns that use the 1/4 as a meeting for some sort of female suicide epidemic.

Until we start living in the real world again, shits only going to get worse and we really need to stop it before it does. This is not an us vs them situation, but politically or has become one. If a woman wants to live her whole life without working just drinking and popping out kids, she can; if a man wants to work but still needs some help to make ends meet or eat right, it's damn near impossible for him.

doe9de · Answer

If you ask me the womens rights movement is the one that shouldn't exist. Women actually have have the upper hand over us they already have more rights then men do. Now they want more. Did you know if a women rapes a man and she gets pregnant she can sue the man for child support. That's a real thing. Movements the ME TOO and others alike are usless. Women think there is a pay gap. There isn't the difference they see is because more men work then women not because they get paid less. I can go on and on.

JackSmy · Answer

From who's perspective? Seems everyone hates men, and ESPECIALLY WHITE MEN!!
A woman told me "You can't be 'Racist' against a White Man!"
Seems that is the "definition" of "racism" when one group is singled out!!
Just like that with Men's rights, I think!
SO MANY arguing against them, and shitting on men, in general, that they don't realize that they are the "RACIST" and "SEXIST" assholes that they accuse!!
Look in the mirror, and see that you are what you say you hate!!!

Ibeji · Answer

I think there’s overlap in both groups. Feminism, in my interpretation, is seeking gender equality. The MRM is also seeking gender equality. Males and females both have horrible, unhealthy expectations placed on them that create unfairness all over our culture.

I think where people start to disconnect from this idea is the title of “feminism” acknowledges only females, which people apparently take as ignoring or belittling men. The opposite is true for MRM: the focus on males gives the impression that women are being belittled. If the two movements could truly listen to one another, I believe equality would be reached MUCH faster. Equality isn’t a competition. It’s the opposite.

weasley8 · Answer

Feminists are already fighting for men’s rights. Because feminism is about equality. The only reason that men’s rights activists exist is that they can’t get past the “fem” prefix, which exists because at the time the movement was founded there was a clear difference in men’s and women’s rights, and in my opinion there still is.

That being said, if men’s rights activists actually did things to advance men’s rights, I wouldn’t have a problem with them. They wouldn’t be “just as justified” for the reasons I listed above, but I wouldn’t be bothered by them. But that’s not what any of the ones I’ve met do. Instead, they sit around and complain about feminism, and wanting to get back to the “good old days.”

Anonymous · Answer

Yes.

Men's rights are not the all lives matter type movement that missed the point completely, in fact makes a valid point that does matter. It's not just a "and also me" argument. It's a thing that matters.

Feminism on the other hand is a bunch of screaming birds with weirdly colored hair parted to one side that like cats claiming they want to be the same but really only exist to take every man they come across down a peg by being insulted by literally everything they do because it makes their insecure overexaggerated egos feel "empowered".

grega239 · Answer

Yes.
Men don't have the right to bodily autonomy ( circumcision at birth)
And we're only allowed to vote because we're obligated to go to war if the government says so.
You'll notice women are not required to serve in war to vote and female circumcision is illegal.
Suicide, alcohol and drug use is high amongst men. So is the rate of murder and assault.
Family courts and divorce courts are unfair towards men. And apparently boys are failing in education.

I have yet to hear about a right women dont have

crmoore · Answer

I'd argue that both men and women face very few issues regarding their sex in this day and age. But even if that isn't true, just because someone has had their leg chopped off doesn't mean that someone else who got stabbed in the stomach shouldn't be addressed and assisted. Besides, I believe this movement came to fruition in response to a certain movement that claims they want equality, yet fight only for one sex. So if both movements allegedly wants eauality, why is it that they seem to be in opposition?

apple24 · Answer

I believe so strongly! I have a brother and I don’t want him to become a single dad. And even if he does get divorce he should have the ability to see his kids as much as the mom. I worry sometime and what if he goes to prison? I hope that doesn’t happen but men are treated harshly.

Anonymous · Answer

There are. Only a few things on the men's right movement I would personally add. I support a 90 day opt-out of fatherhood If we keep abortion free willingly.

a lot stuff is men not treating women like a threat. Just cuz she small and cure doesn't mean she not evil.
1. Never go anyplace alone with a women
2. consider contracts for women
3. Cameras/Recoders are your best friend (look at johnny depp and amber heard)
4. keep track of texts. Screen shot and email them for a training day.(Women do this)

Anonymous · Answer

I think as long as woman don’t strive to be “above,” both sides should be heard because there is a struggle for equality on both sides and both have legitimate arguments. The only real solution is equality in all matters. As far as one commenters point of men’s abuse from woman being ignored or even laughed at is true. I was psychologically abused by my ex wife for 10 years, but seeing her manipulate people with her oh so innocent facade and tiny stature, they’re more liable to believe her over me. Lucky for me Everyone that was around me knew who I am otherwise I would be persecuted because of the smearing she did to me while I was with her making up lies to make her look good because she was using me and getting ready to discard me.

Sarahr123 · Answer

I’m not a feminist so I voted yes. As far as custody goes, so long as both mother and father are mentally stable then I think custody should be split equally between them unless they come to a mutual agreement where one chooses full custody and the other chooses partial custody. Sometimes the mother also chooses partial custody. Maybe she feels the child will be better off with the father because he is more financially stable than her.

ThongQueenFlirt · Answer

Men, especially fathers, have just as much right as women. Like for instance a father doing all he is supposed to do as far as the child goes. But its the mother of the child that gives the father trouble. I'm quick to tell a man he has rights. I even help him find what he needs.

ZackBan · Answer

They're both equally dumb as a "movement" has never proven to be any useful historically, they get minor changes done but they never complete they're mission.

As far as being justified compared to women well of course they are.
If feminism and all that stuff is truly about equality them there should be no problem with men having the equal right to have a movement.

MissDawn7961 · Answer

when it comes to a woman getting an abortion , the father has the right to stop her from doing this for the child does belong to him as well ! thanks

DocT1977 · Answer

It gets to where one is just like the other and both sides think the other must conform. I can stand behind first and maybe second wave feminism. Third wave and after that is complete degeneracy. I can see many men's movements are taking a similar path. I do understand equalizing the system however.

Anonymous · Answer

Far more justified, as the latter is entirely unjustified. However, the Men's rights movement suffers from a severe lack of organization and ideological structure. Men's rights advocates frequently advocate the wrong polices, and rarely co-ordinate well enough to make a meaningful impact.
I think the best route for men's rights is to start by embracing a new terminology to mirror their opponents. Masculinism should be the banner of the movement, and its goal is to fight misandry everywhere. Furthermore, the movement needs to weld its cause to that of traditionalism and conservatism, as these are the best allies in the fight to regain the upper hand in the kulturkampf.

Anonymous · Answer

That's as if white people stand up for themself instead of black people. I mean i am not going to say that it's not okay. There sure are things that should be different. But then you should stand up for equality since white men really are being treatend better.

Anonymous · Answer

I didn't even know it existed but since it's nothing like mgtow and it actually advocates for men's rights I think it's great. Men voices should be heard just as much as ours

UCrayCray · Answer

Of course. There are definitely inequalities where men get the short end of the stick. Unfortunately, we live in a world where the squeaky wheel gets the grease. You want grease, squeak, and squeak loud.

purplepoppy · Answer

The one's in the top photo aren't men they're boys who are probably protesting against early bedtime and having to eat their greens. I get men might get a bum deal in some areas such as divorce laws but this looks more like rightwingers throwing their dummy out of the pram than a meaningful protest.

ChiTown33 · Answer

It's not a matter of whether it's justified or not. It whether it is looked upon with. Legitimacy. And sorry, statistically speaking white males run the planet. It's very doubtful such a movement ever gets any traction. Whether their beefs are justified or not.

Nalix · Answer

Karen S. put it best when she said that we won't always need a men's rights movement, but we will always need an anti-feminism in one form or another. That is because of human nature. She gives the details best.

Guanfei · Answer

Men's Rights Movement rose because feminism, which was supposed to be about equality, went completely crazy and changed into a hateful, sexist movement.
Some says that MRM isn't necessary because feminism does the job. But it's not true. Not anymore.

alwaysintosomething · Answer

I'd go further as to say only the Men's Rights Movement is justified. Women have gotten all the rights they could use plus a million privileges. There's no need for feminism but men need a movement to challenge the discrimination that happens against them in the world.

Hunter7754 · Answer

Yes. Despite what feminists will tell you, its not some circle jerk for white male incels that hate women.

The MRM tries to address things like male suicide, harmful legislation pushed forth by feminists such as the duluth model, the draft, men's mental health, etc.

Unit1 · Answer

Well, they both have a reason to exist. Theoretically and ideally MRM (or meninists) and WRM (or feminists) can collaborate to establish a very well founded and fair equality and most people would be happy.

Too bad, that the legal system won't change until the legal system itself feels like it.

leahzrc · Answer

I think men are at disadvantage in some ways but male feminists can easily be on the same page when it comes to those things and having a men's movement seems like they are doing it to challenge women rather then to actually have justice

Anonymous · Answer

It’s fine if a group of men want to fight for “justice” but come on there would be no such thing as mrm If there wasn’t a thing such as feminism. Men have been on top since the start of history, there’s really no reason for them to be fighting for anything because most of the time they don’t face an injustice. I think the “movement” as a whole is stupid. Feminism already fights for all these things and fights to have more men’s shelters, and men rape victims.

Anonymous · Answer

What about the demeaning and judgmental way women discriminate against men that aren't tall, strong, rich, popular, confident, successful and with long c**ks?

DWornock · Answer

Perhaps not since men are expendable. That is because, if you kill half the men, in a generation it has no effect on the population because half the men can impregnate as many women as all the men. However, kill half the women and in a generation, the population decreases by almost half.

LogicBomber · Answer

if anything the men’s rights movement has actual things that they can fight for like the epidemic of male suicide, the epidemic of male homelessness, having zero parental rights, etc. not a bunch of fabricated nonsense like wage gap, and rape culture Which are easily proven false when you actually look at statistics outside the echo chamber which are easily proven false when you actually look at statistics outside the echo chamber.

CaptainOverthink · Answer

Sure it's justified. As long as its not just a response to feminism, to try to stick it to someone/something. And ofc as long as they do their research and don't just base everything on personal experience.
Men's rights movement and women's should have a good dialouge on how to bring about equality and how to build a culture worth growing up in.
A healthy debate is always good, a toxic one, not so much.

Anonymous · Answer

by letting feminism speak for women you have all damned yourselves. women have all the institutional power to destroy our lives and trust between genders has fallen so much that it is very hard as a man to trust a women when she could lie and accuse me of rape and receive little to no consequences for putting innocent men in prison. most women don't even show remorse and will even turn our own children against us after they win custody in the biased courts i and many men like me can't trust you under this current environment.

UsernamesareforFools · Answer

I 100% support this movement as men get shitty end of the stick when it comes to parents rights, getting help for mental health, abuse etc. Men should have equal rights to women. Were all equal.

Dargil · Answer

We do not need a "movement". The natural biological order points to our leadership. It is cultural underpinnings that support the brief, artificial ascendancy of women. As those underpinnings inevitably fade with the inevitable decline of Western Civilization, which is worn out, traditional relationships will be restored. The whole feminist clown car relied on male collaborators, like the "purple pill" editor here, who will fade with them.

RunawayGirl · Answer

Damn straight it is. Nobody should be treated unfairly, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexuality, or anything else.

just_a_potato · Answer

You see that's the thing about these movements, they usually only exist to be a protest of another protest. In my opinion it kind of defeats the whole purpose, but maybe I'm wrong?

hellionthesagereborn · Answer

More legitimacy then women's rights movements (as women have all the rights, all the privilege and none of the responsibility, provably).

andy39 · Answer

it's a farce of a weak individual to prove themselves hard to beat a woman like a man. because those real men pass on their message to men by genome and not by playing women they have just achieved that from a naturalistic point of view other men give them a ban on reproduction and thus by spreading the damaged gene

Browneye57 · Answer

Bunch of whiners. Buck it up little pony. Men have ALL of the advantages. But our ENTIRE culture and society is designed around supporting 'the weaker sex'. They don't call it a pussy-pass for nuthin'.

Rebeccalions · Answer

Any movement has the right to exist according to the first amendment, even white power groups. Just don't expect anyone to take it seriously

someginger · Answer

Yes since man also have problems, it's not like being a man means that life isn't unfair and we get a mouthly man payment

ShortCircuit · Answer

Yes, they are equally justified to exist, in the sense that neither are justified to exist at all: 0 = 0

eschneider · Answer

nobody gives a shit about Men, what's worse is women and even some pathetic men actively fight against helping solve men's problems.

Every-time you turn around, everyone is discussing women's problems, and even their fake problems like "Gender Pay Gap". The closest thing we have is "We Support Our Troops" and that's mostly bullshit fake support.

NamerOfStars · Answer

A movement for men's rights? There's a novel thought. Do you have any idea the kind of forces it'd be up against, though? The deeply entrenched ideologies you'd be butting heads with are only the beginning...

Soteris · Answer

I guess however, and here is the clincher, I do not know of any womens rights movements. I know of plenty feminist movements but they are not for womens rights but for the rights of everyone. That is what separates them from mens rights movements.

Sparda20xx · Answer

I remember seeing a post on fb that said 1 in 4 homeless people are women. And someone else replied, that's a weird way of saying that 75% homeless people are men.

JDavid25 · Answer

There are no laws prohibiting women from succeedin.. And they have never been in subjugation.. While there is discrimination against men in some areas in favor of women.. So a mens rights movement is the one that actually should be paid attention to.

raven6933 · Answer

Because everyone deserves equal rights. The ones that voted no have no clue about the movement.

chc0009 · Answer

Why not? Fatherless children are more likely to become criminals than two-parent homes. If women want equal rights, they should have equal risks and responsibilities.

Anonymous · Answer

What happens if a girl wants to be a boy, why is it that feminism apparently supports the LGBTQ but if a girl decided to be trans and be a guy are women going to say why do men need rights? See how fucked up this world is? People have gone astray from God's words to assume, whatever they do, whatever they said is the right way.

Pete671 · Answer

In UK, women get state pension earlier than men, in spite of living longer, but there is a campaign for pension equality for women? Great to see so many girls voting in favour, thank you!!!

lucas262 · Answer

The ,, dating coaches, pick up artist or puas, male feminist, mras, are full of shit.  I been mgtow since 2015, lot of misconception about that bunch ama

madgoat · Answer

For better or worse , yes. Both are capable of being psychotic or reasonable

Avicenna · Answer

As regards family law, it's badly needed in some places

Dingsbums · Answer

I don’t care about gender rights. I want human rights and freedom for there is little left in this world

Prettysammie · Answer

Of course it does. Just as long as it’s trying to bring up issues for men and not act as a counterpoint for issues for women.

drearyknight187 · Answer

There are problems men face in society just the same as women. The fact you think you have it worse than everyone else means you're the misogynistic one here, not us.

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