Is the Men's Rights Movement just as justified to exist as the Women's Rights Movement?

[Physics-Man]

The MRM in particular consists of a variety of groups and individuals who focus on general social issues and specific government services which adversely impact, or in some cases structurally discriminate against, men and boys. Common topics debated within the men's rights movement include the alleged favor given to women in family law including but not limited to matters such as child custody, alimony and marital property distribution. The movement also concerns itself with parenting, reproduction, suicides, domestic violence against men, circumcision, education, conscription, social safety nets, and health policies. The men's rights movement branched off from the men's liberation movement in the early 1970s, with both groups comprising a part of the larger men's movement.

• https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2056305119841387
• https://www.salon.com/test3/2011/03/29/scott_adams_mens_rights_movement/
• https://www.theweek.co.uk/people/62607/mens-rights-movement-why-it-is-so-controversial

Yes

No

[Littlemissbrat]

Feminism did its job. It can fucking die now. Men's rights is actually relevant.

Male abuse victims in all facets get ignored
Men can't hit women in self defense
Men are expected to be the main provider
Men are expected to pay for the date
Men are shamed because of their height or penis size
Men are told to open up and when they do they are called weak
Men are expected to buy expensive diamond rings and clothes

[Aphrodite801]

Why don’t you just admit you’re an insecure man?

[G3tAClue]

You’re a dude, right?

[cth96190]

It is better for men to refuse to engage with women.
Women, as a collective, have made themselves too legally and financially dangerous to be around.
For 60 years Feminists have screamed at us that we were hated and should be castrated or killed.
Okay, we heard you.
Enjoy your pussy hat marches, being a ‘nasty woman’ and reading Andrea Dworkin, Gloria Steinem and Valerie Salanis.
The men who can think with the larger of their two heads will be doing something else, without you.
Enjoy your cats.

[lockster]

This is a guy account ROFL

[girlwithsomeqs]

the internalized misogyny is real with this one

[Stephen_77]

@Aphrodite801 Why don't you just admit that you're a hateful feminist?

[Aphrodite801]

@Stephen_77 why don’t you just admit that you like dick? And that you can’t get any girls anyway?

[Stephen_77]

@Aphrodite801 I like girls, just not angry hateful feminists like you.

[alwaysintosomething]

Why does everyone thinks she's a man? She's just reasonable and having logic doesn't make her any less a woman.

[SilverRain92]

I think that it's a female account. If she understands men it doesn't mean she is a man.
Thank you, Littlemissbrat

[Littlemissbrat]

I'm a woman. I just have common sense and basic human decency.

[Littlemissbrat]

Thank you SilverRain and alwaysintosomething

[SilverRain92]

I am glad that such girls like you do exist despite on spreading of radical feminism

[Aphrodite801]

@Littlemissbrat you can tell from the crap you say on your profile that you are a man. You refer to women as they or them. Please stop the trashy lying, and stop trying to act like a woman. You will be called out every time, by actual women. Bye 🖕.

[SilverRain92]

Aphrodite801 It's so sexist and disrespectful to say to a girl that she is a guy just because you disagree with her. Fortunately not all girls support men hating ideology. If you are a feminist you should respect the choice of other girls instead of saying that they are guys

[Littlemissbrat]

I refer to stupid girls like you as they or them. @aph.

[Littlemissbrat]

Thank you SilverRain
she's so childish.

[Littlemissbrat]

If she looked at my profile, I've said over and over I'm traditional and I dream of being a housewife, I'm just not a feminist women

[Littlemissbrat]

Woman*

[lockster]

This is definitely a guy under a female acc.

[lockster]

Nope, not buying that your a female

[Littlemissbrat]

Lol I'll call you on discord at my break

[Littlemissbrat]

You seem kinda simpish ngl

[lockster]

How am I simping? Who the fuxk am i simpining for? This is fr a guy. Only guys throw that word around "simp". And i dont want any discord from you

[G3tAClue]

@lockster Women don’t talk this way at all. It’s definitely a guy. Also, if you noticed that the asker is also condoning men hitting women which any other woman would NEVER say that. Regardless if it’s self defense, it doesn’t matter because a woman would never condone that.

[lockster]

I know, the fact he called me a simp already exposed him.

[lockster]

Its just funny how guys here get salty because they meet 1 girl and start hating every women. Asker needs to grow up

[Aphrodite801]

@lockster you’re right. @Littlemissbrat did you cut your dick off yet? You seem very eager to be a woman.

[lockster]

I feel im the only guy around here with common sense, after browsing this site so much i just came to this conclusion.

[Littlemissbrat]

Lmfao. You guys are great. Females use simp too. And you're clearly wanting good boy points.

[Littlemissbrat]

It's sad that a girl who doesn't fall in line is automatically a guy.

[lockster]

LOL are you fucking stupid. Why would I simp for online girls on a random social media site. Your fucking broken mentally.

[lockster]

Cry about it

[Littlemissbrat]

Nah man everyone can see how weak of a boy you are.

[lockster]

Says the loser who got rejected by a girl irl and proceeds to make a gag account to cry about it

[Littlemissbrat]

You're not your* moron.

[lockster]

? Oh im disliked by other loser men who do the same shit you do.

Cry about women online.

[lockster]

Corrects my grammar because he has nothing else to say. I broke your spirit

[Littlemissbrat]

Broke my spirit? You're such a child 🤣
I already said I'll call your ass on discord and prove it

[lockster]

I dont want your discord and ok miss voice changer. Lol

[Littlemissbrat]

Seriously? You really are a little kid, if you think I'd go to those lengths

[lockster]

You wasted your time making s female account to cry about women ya loser 😂😂😂

[Littlemissbrat]

I am a girl lmao

[youknowbetter]

Why can’t men and women have an honest discussion and seek to understand before they are understood?

Yes it’s easy for me to dog pile on what feminism has done to western society. My gripes are likely legitimate. But before I do that I am open to hearing their views if they just would QUIT dismissing mind but instead listen.

[WildButterflyKiss]

Start by looking at suicide rates and homelessness rates for men. Next you can look at education statistics for men and women. Learn the facts. You will see that society is attacking men much more than women.

[youknowbetter]

Thank you. We need more women like you.

[Jack9949]

Honesty is always welcome 👍

[youknowbetter]

And of course two women have the gall to downvote this. Feminism (and other movements) is all about conceit, selfishness and greed. Not equality.

I guess you can say the same about MRM. But really they are a drop in the bucket compared to women’s rights groups. They are next to powerless.

[SilverRain92]

That's great that you think like that. I hope radical feminists wouldn't come here saying that you are a guy just because you have your own opinion

[MzAsh]

There are some valid arguments to be made for certain circumstances regarding alimony and custody laws, but I also understand why women are awarded favorable custody and alimony payments in a lot of cases too. It’s just too bad there are no prominent male voices that are also reasonable and well behaved.

[007kingifrit]

or perhaps the feminist movement and social media oppresses reasonable and well behaved male voices specifically to manipulate you into that conclusion?

[MzAsh]

Do you know any names I could check out?

[007kingifrit]

jordan peterson is a voice on the subject. constantly demonized by the feminist movement and banned from speaking near their colleges

also the movie "the red pill" is full of examples, its free on youtube

[selfdestruction]

Behaved?

[MzAsh]

Jordan Peterson is alright. However, there are too many toxic voices among the red pill, in general.

[alwaysintosomething]

Warren Ferrel, Paul Elam, Janice Fiamengo

[MzAsh]

Paul Elam is a deranged alcoholic who’s agenda is violence against feminist women.

[alwaysintosomething]

proof?

[MzAsh]

Bash a violent bitch month. ,”A man hitting you back after you have assaulted him does not make you a victim of domestic violence. It makes you a recipient of justice. Deal with it.”

This mentality is absolutely unacceptable among someone who considers themselves a human rights advocate.

[MzAsh]

“Pussy is the only real empowerment women will ever know. Put all the hopelessly wishful thinking of feminist ideology aside and what remains is the fact that it is men and pretty much men only who draw power from accomplishment, who invent technology, build nations, cure disease, create empires and generally advance civilization. Women whether acknowledging it makes us feel warm and fuzzy or not, depend on men for all of that and the only tool they have at their disposal to have any sort of influence on any of it is the power of pussy and pussy is powerful indeed…Sexual robotics may well prove to be the best thing that ever happened to women from the standpoint of their humanity... what would that do to the vast majority of women who would suddenly have to prove their worth as human beings beyond simply being the owners of said pussy."
— Paul Elam, An Ear for Men, Sex Robots: Part 3 - Disempowering Pussy, October 2017

His vagina envy and revenge fantasies are pretty intense at times.

[alwaysintosomething]

If your sense of humor is so lacking that you can't tell satire from serious writing then I have nothing to say. He has explained a million times that that article was a response to the kind of articles feminists were writing about out right hating and killing men.

[MzAsh]

He’s just bad delivery.

[MzAsh]

I appreciate Cassie Jaye for attempting to shine light on men’s issues, and Paul was on his best behavior in her film but there’s that Paul and then there’s the Paul we see online.

[alwaysintosomething]

yeah Paul Elam likes pissing off feminazis and he's very outspoken. That doesn't mean there is not so much truth in what he says. There are many other people including female writers who think the same as Paul in that pussy excerpt.

[MzAsh]

Yeah it’s just too bad they can’t all be like Peterson and Jaye.

[Tryach]

Mike Buchanan

[Tryach]

I agree that the men's movement has some bad things about it but I see it as more of a by product of feminism and identity politics in general. I think the one thing it has done is made women (and some men) aware that men need sympathy and understanding too. We are all human and need each other to survive.

[Hunter7754]

Yeah Paul Elam is a bit shady so I dont think he's a good representative of the mens movement

[alwaysintosomething]

@Hunter7754 What is exactly shady about him? Because I don't try to find who he is in his personal life. I just listen to his words and they all make sense.

[Hunter7754]

@alwaysintosomething I don't know this for sure but I've heard he's used donation money on himself instead of using it to help men's issues. Thats why I'm kind of iffy about him.

[nathanp97]

Here are a few more points for your list of problems men face.
Women get handed more scholarships than men, specific to their gender. 3-1 highering in stem field. More likely to graduate every level of education. Always being seen as child predators. Guys can't sit next to minors on a plain, sit on a park bench or help a lost kid without being attacked or harassed.

[nathanp97]

60% longer prison sentences and more likely to be sentenced.
More often victims of violent crimes and often experience it worse than women.
People are okay with women hitting them because they think they deserve it, but if a man hits back he is a terrible person.
Depending on where you live we have the right to choose to be parents while men don't.
High suicide rate.
~40% of the demestic abuse victims, yet they have no shelters for men.
If you try and fight for your rights as a man you are called sexist and bigoted.
Sex and kill objects on TV, yet feminists only care that women are sometimes seen as sex objects

[msc545]

Really, why? You think that men have no right to self defense if assaulted by a woman?

[MzAsh]

They should defend themselves during an attack. But they shouldn’t retaliate in a separate event.

[coffeewithcream]

I beg your pardon? You obviously haven't been listening, then. Woo. What a comment.

[msc545]

I see. So according to you, we should allow ourselves to be attacked, and then and only then respond to it?

[msc545]

I not only have a right to defend myself, I also have a right to prevent you from injuring me in the first place. Of course, I will go to jail for that.

[MzAsh]

Read!

[MzAsh]

I said you DO have a right to defend yourself.

[Fatherhere901]

Nancy Garrido role in the kidnapping versus the sentence her husband received

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Far more justified if you ask me. Women in the west live a life of relative luxury and have far more protections and opportunities in life than men do. At this point feminism is fighting for female superiority and stopping men of all of our opportunities and access to self respect and personal responsibility. Not only are most men now considered unmarriageable directly due to shifts in the education system that favor females even though they do let quality work in general. The system has been together against men, providing women with a grain bias 30% higher than men turning in the exact same work. This starts all the way back in elementary school where physical education, recess, and kinesthetic teaching styles are being cut; there are virtually no male teachers until high school and they're generally only found in history and econ classes.

All the while we medicate boots because they can't sit still in a classroom. Don't even get me started on family law, where having a dick means you have 0 rights to custody since the court system is so bored against men.

You hear all this talk of women's health this and planned parenthood that but when do you ever hear about men's health concerns? I'm sure it's not like you haven't heard that 75% of suicides in the world are men; there are active campaigns that use the 1/4 as a meeting for some sort of female suicide epidemic.

Until we start living in the real world again, shits only going to get worse and we really need to stop it before it does. This is not an us vs them situation, but politically or has become one. If a woman wants to live her whole life without working just drinking and popping out kids, she can; if a man wants to work but still needs some help to make ends meet or eat right, it's damn near impossible for him.

[doe9de]

If you ask me the womens rights movement is the one that shouldn't exist. Women actually have have the upper hand over us they already have more rights then men do. Now they want more. Did you know if a women rapes a man and she gets pregnant she can sue the man for child support. That's a real thing. Movements the ME TOO and others alike are usless. Women think there is a pay gap. There isn't the difference they see is because more men work then women not because they get paid less. I can go on and on.

[Snakeyes7]

Hermesmann v. Seyer was the court case that allows women to sue their rape victim for child support.

[wisefool]

Unbelievable.

[JackSmy]

From who's perspective? Seems everyone hates men, and ESPECIALLY WHITE MEN!!
A woman told me "You can't be 'Racist' against a White Man!"
Seems that is the "definition" of "racism" when one group is singled out!!
Just like that with Men's rights, I think!
SO MANY arguing against them, and shitting on men, in general, that they don't realize that they are the "RACIST" and "SEXIST" assholes that they accuse!!
Look in the mirror, and see that you are what you say you hate!!!

[wisefool]

Exactly. Anti-racism is just another form of racism.

[Ibeji]

I think there’s overlap in both groups. Feminism, in my interpretation, is seeking gender equality. The MRM is also seeking gender equality. Males and females both have horrible, unhealthy expectations placed on them that create unfairness all over our culture.

I think where people start to disconnect from this idea is the title of “feminism” acknowledges only females, which people apparently take as ignoring or belittling men. The opposite is true for MRM: the focus on males gives the impression that women are being belittled. If the two movements could truly listen to one another, I believe equality would be reached MUCH faster. Equality isn’t a competition. It’s the opposite.

[weasley8]

Feminists are already fighting for men’s rights. Because feminism is about equality. The only reason that men’s rights activists exist is that they can’t get past the “fem” prefix, which exists because at the time the movement was founded there was a clear difference in men’s and women’s rights, and in my opinion there still is.

That being said, if men’s rights activists actually did things to advance men’s rights, I wouldn’t have a problem with them. They wouldn’t be “just as justified” for the reasons I listed above, but I wouldn’t be bothered by them. But that’s not what any of the ones I’ve met do. Instead, they sit around and complain about feminism, and wanting to get back to the “good old days.”

[cth96190]

Clearly, you have been too indoctrinated to see the Feminist agenda for what it is.
Feminism was created by Communists to destroy the family, as per the Communist Manifesto (Marx, 1854) and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

[Stephen_77]

Feminism isn't about equality. Never has been never will be.

[dc-refugee]

@Stephen_77 Decades ago most of the women who supported it did believe they were fighting for equality. The leaders may have always had ulterior motives but their supporters by and large did not know about that.

[Stephen_77]

@dc-refugee I disagree

[dc-refugee]

@Stephen_77 Alright :-)

Due to my line of work, I am very open to being wrong and changing my bind so, feel free to carry on.

[tzdc21]

No. Feminism is about female supremacy and the spreading of misandry. Men's rights and MGTOW were created as a direct result of all that hatred and disrespect towards men.

[Anonymous]

Yes.

Men's rights are not the all lives matter type movement that missed the point completely, in fact makes a valid point that does matter. It's not just a "and also me" argument. It's a thing that matters.

Feminism on the other hand is a bunch of screaming birds with weirdly colored hair parted to one side that like cats claiming they want to be the same but really only exist to take every man they come across down a peg by being insulted by literally everything they do because it makes their insecure overexaggerated egos feel "empowered".

[grega239]

Yes.
Men don't have the right to bodily autonomy ( circumcision at birth)
And we're only allowed to vote because we're obligated to go to war if the government says so.
You'll notice women are not required to serve in war to vote and female circumcision is illegal.
Suicide, alcohol and drug use is high amongst men. So is the rate of murder and assault.
Family courts and divorce courts are unfair towards men. And apparently boys are failing in education.


I have yet to hear about a right women dont have

[crmoore]

I'd argue that both men and women face very few issues regarding their sex in this day and age. But even if that isn't true, just because someone has had their leg chopped off doesn't mean that someone else who got stabbed in the stomach shouldn't be addressed and assisted. Besides, I believe this movement came to fruition in response to a certain movement that claims they want equality, yet fight only for one sex. So if both movements allegedly wants eauality, why is it that they seem to be in opposition?

[apple24]

I believe so strongly! I have a brother and I don’t want him to become a single dad. And even if he does get divorce he should have the ability to see his kids as much as the mom. I worry sometime and what if he goes to prison? I hope that doesn’t happen but men are treated harshly.

[Anonymous]

I think as long as woman don’t strive to be “above,” both sides should be heard because there is a struggle for equality on both sides and both have legitimate arguments. The only real solution is equality in all matters. As far as one commenters point of men’s abuse from woman being ignored or even laughed at is true. I was psychologically abused by my ex wife for 10 years, but seeing her manipulate people with her oh so innocent facade and tiny stature, they’re more liable to believe her over me. Lucky for me Everyone that was around me knew who I am otherwise I would be persecuted because of the smearing she did to me while I was with her making up lies to make her look good because she was using me and getting ready to discard me.

[Sarahr123]

I’m not a feminist so I voted yes. As far as custody goes, so long as both mother and father are mentally stable then I think custody should be split equally between them unless they come to a mutual agreement where one chooses full custody and the other chooses partial custody. Sometimes the mother also chooses partial custody. Maybe she feels the child will be better off with the father because he is more financially stable than her.

[Fatherhere901]

That is the reason for the protest. Do you agree it is fair to go into a court case your the defendant or plaintive in, plead your side of the case to the judge about, and after they hear both sides, they simply turns to the opponent and tells them "whatever you want, I'll go with"? (That is what you meant when you said "Sometimes the mother also chooses partial custody." I thought a judge was to decide the outcome of custody. )
Why even have a divorce proceeding if the wife will always come out on top? Or is it just the real reasons women want to get married, knowing they will always have success in the divorce and getting another man?

[ThongQueenFlirt]

Men, especially fathers, have just as much right as women. Like for instance a father doing all he is supposed to do as far as the child goes. But its the mother of the child that gives the father trouble. I'm quick to tell a man he has rights. I even help him find what he needs.

[ZackBan]

They're both equally dumb as a "movement" has never proven to be any useful historically, they get minor changes done but they never complete they're mission.

As far as being justified compared to women well of course they are.
If feminism and all that stuff is truly about equality them there should be no problem with men having the equal right to have a movement.

[Anonymous]

There are. Only a few things on the men's right movement I would personally add. I support a 90 day opt-out of fatherhood If we keep abortion free willingly.

a lot stuff is men not treating women like a threat. Just cuz she small and cure doesn't mean she not evil.
1. Never go anyplace alone with a women
2. consider contracts for women
3. Cameras/Recoders are your best friend (look at johnny depp and amber heard)
4. keep track of texts. Screen shot and email them for a training day.(Women do this)

[MissDawn7961]

when it comes to a woman getting an abortion , the father has the right to stop her from doing this for the child does belong to him as well ! thanks

[cth96190]

In what jurisdiction do men have that legal right?
To the best of my knowledge, nowhere in the West do men have any reproductive rights.

[Snakeyes7]

They actually don’t...

[007kingifrit]

@cth96190 she's saying they should

[LGRock]

I don't know, should've wore a condom

[007kingifrit]

@LGRock the woman could lie and say she was on the pill

[DocT1977]

It gets to where one is just like the other and both sides think the other must conform. I can stand behind first and maybe second wave feminism. Third wave and after that is complete degeneracy. I can see many men's movements are taking a similar path. I do understand equalizing the system however.

[Anonymous]

Far more justified, as the latter is entirely unjustified. However, the Men's rights movement suffers from a severe lack of organization and ideological structure. Men's rights advocates frequently advocate the wrong polices, and rarely co-ordinate well enough to make a meaningful impact.
I think the best route for men's rights is to start by embracing a new terminology to mirror their opponents. Masculinism should be the banner of the movement, and its goal is to fight misandry everywhere. Furthermore, the movement needs to weld its cause to that of traditionalism and conservatism, as these are the best allies in the fight to regain the upper hand in the kulturkampf.

[Anonymous]

That's as if white people stand up for themself instead of black people. I mean i am not going to say that it's not okay. There sure are things that should be different. But then you should stand up for equality since white men really are being treatend better.

[Guanfei]

Except that we weren't treated better, and now things are changing in many places. You go, for example, on reddit, or twitter, both of them states openly they're against hate speech. Unless it's against white people. Racism, threat, mockery... It's all allowed if it's against white people.
Nowadays, in most "social justice" fights, white men are presented almost as pure evil. We're responsible for everything, we want to dominate everything, we're born racists...

[Opinion Owner]

@Guanfei Yea and that's sad. You can't judge someone like that. That also is racism

[Anonymous]

I didn't even know it existed but since it's nothing like mgtow and it actually advocates for men's rights I think it's great. Men voices should be heard just as much as ours

[Opinion Owner]

I gave a positive answer but then I read the men's comments, are these the same kind of men that take part in this movement?
ranger3456 Xper 1 Age 25
"And i dont give a fuck about what women have to say either cunt"
"This is why everyone hates feminism. Everyone can plainly see women like you are retarded."
Is it a hate movement or is it about men's rights?
cth96190 Guru Age 62
"It is better for men to refuse to engage with women.
Women, as a collective, have made themselves too legally and financially dangerous to be around."
wtf? seriously?
1CentWorth Xper 6 Age 39 , mho 33%
"Yes, but let the incels and beta males do it. Real men just suck it up, because we're men"
Dargil Master Age 30 , mho 31%
"We do not need a "movement". The natural biological order points to our leadership. It is cultural underpinnings that support the brief, artificial ascendancy of women"

[Aphrodite801]

Well now, do you see how naive you actually were?

[Opinion Owner]

@Aphrodite801 I stand by what I said, I think it's great as long as it advocates for men's rights because I do think men's voices should be heard but not when they just spread hate. It's like feminism and feminazis, the first one advocates for our rights and the one second spreads hate and female supremacy speech

[Aphrodite801]

That’s the thing. Most of the time they spread hate, men literally have all rights and they have since the beginning of freaking time. It’s just a group to copy feminism. Stand by your crap I don’t care, but reality is that most male groups that are made of guys like the ones you were mentioning and complaining about.