Is the Men's Rights Movement just as justified to exist as the Women's Rights Movement? (Page 2)
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Of course. There are definitely inequalities where men get the short end of the stick. Unfortunately, we live in a world where the squeaky wheel gets the grease. You want grease, squeak, and squeak loud.
Men's voices are being oppressed. Speaking about mens rights can getvyou shunned or banned in most places while women's rights and the radical elements of feminism are protected and promoted
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No doubt.
You think everybody was eager and willing to listen to women when they first demanded equal rights? What about people of color, or gay and lesbian people? They met, and still do meet, much resistance in their quest for real equality.
There is an advantage today when trying to bring attention to something. You have more platforms available now then at any other time, so getting your message out is much easier, and it reaches much further.
You have the tools, all you need is the squeak.
Nah! Never mind the squeak, make it an explosion. People can’t ignore an explosion.
It's not a matter of whether it's justified or not. It whether it is looked upon with. Legitimacy. And sorry, statistically speaking white males run the planet. It's very doubtful such a movement ever gets any traction. Whether their beefs are justified or not.
Karen S. put it best when she said that we won't always need a men's rights movement, but we will always need an anti-feminism in one form or another. That is because of human nature. She gives the details best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA1mB9SshkAMen's Rights Movement rose because feminism, which was supposed to be about equality, went completely crazy and changed into a hateful, sexist movement.
Some says that MRM isn't necessary because feminism does the job. But it's not true. Not anymore.
I'd go further as to say only the Men's Rights Movement is justified. Women have gotten all the rights they could use plus a million privileges. There's no need for feminism but men need a movement to challenge the discrimination that happens against them in the world.
Yes. Despite what feminists will tell you, its not some circle jerk for white male incels that hate women.
The MRM tries to address things like male suicide, harmful legislation pushed forth by feminists such as the duluth model, the draft, men's mental health, etc.
Well, they both have a reason to exist. Theoretically and ideally MRM (or meninists) and WRM (or feminists) can collaborate to establish a very well founded and fair equality and most people would be happy.
Too bad, that the legal system won't change until the legal system itself feels like it.
I think men are at disadvantage in some ways but male feminists can easily be on the same page when it comes to those things and having a men's movement seems like they are doing it to challenge women rather then to actually have justice
It’s fine if a group of men want to fight for “justice” but come on there would be no such thing as mrm If there wasn’t a thing such as feminism. Men have been on top since the start of history, there’s really no reason for them to be fighting for anything because most of the time they don’t face an injustice. I think the “movement” as a whole is stupid. Feminism already fights for all these things and fights to have more men’s shelters, and men rape victims.
That's only partly true.
There have been attempts by men's rights activists to create men's shelters which have been thwarted by certain feminist organisations. In fact the woman who opened the world's first ever women's shelter in the UK, Erin Pizzey, was violently protested against by feminists when she tried to help men too. In fact she was in so much danger that she fled the country after a bomb scare.
There are also other things which the average man cares about which many feminists refuse to acknowledge, and in some cases try to act against. For example most men in the MRM fight for father's rights, because they're often not enforced. While of course there are deadbeat fathers who just abandon their kids and pay no child support, there are also fathers who want to be in their kids' lives but their exes refuse to let them see the kids, and use them as a weapon against him, for no reason at all. A lot of the time nothing is done about it. The MRM fought for shared parenting rights, and up until a few years ago NOW fought them on that.
Yeah feminism is realy beating down the gates to stop fathers from bieng separated from thier kids.
Not true feminism fights for equality and equality pertains to both men and woman, in my state in the last 2 years the feminist movement opened 50 new shelters that man are allowed to stay in. If you were a real feminist you would not be protesting to not have men rights and shelters taken away. And there’s really nothing about group can do about the shared custody thing, that’s up to the judge and every case in different, I know In a lot of cases if a man and a woman has to go to court for shared custody, it’s either the man who doesn’t want that much custody of the child. A lot of my friends have divorced parents and their fathers and no where to be seen and pays little child support ever.
Well like I said, there are piece of shit fathers who abandon their children, 100%. There are also good men who are not allowed by the mother to see their children, and the courts rarely do anything about it. The fact that there are deadbeat Dads doesn't make that a non-issue. These are the kinds of things only men's rights activists care about.
I'd also like to know why a woman has a choice to abort a baby but I don't get a choice to not pay for it. If you can kill the baby I at least should have the option to abandon it. It's my money my choice
Abortion does not kill a baby because when you abort it, it is not fully developed, it can’t feel anything and it doesn’t have a heart beat. It is a woman’s choice because it’s her body not yours. If you and your partner decide to have a baby you have to pay child support for that said baby, both parents pay child support for that child to live. And plus you decide to not pay child support but I don't know why you would wanna do that but it’s still an option
Uh sweety if men don't pay child support they go to prison
What about the demeaning and judgmental way women discriminate against men that aren't tall, strong, rich, popular, confident, successful and with long c**ks?
Honestly when it comes to half of these qualities, can you really blame em?
@LGRock these traits are definitely attractive plus if he has a deep voice
Perhaps not since men are expendable. That is because, if you kill half the men, in a generation it has no effect on the population because half the men can impregnate as many women as all the men. However, kill half the women and in a generation, the population decreases by almost half.
if anything the men’s rights movement has actual things that they can fight for like the epidemic of male suicide, the epidemic of male homelessness, having zero parental rights, etc. not a bunch of fabricated nonsense like wage gap, and rape culture Which are easily proven false when you actually look at statistics outside the echo chamber which are easily proven false when you actually look at statistics outside the echo chamber.
The one's in the top photo aren't men they're boys who are probably protesting against early bedtime and having to eat their greens. I get men might get a bum deal in some areas such as divorce laws but this looks more like rightwingers throwing their dummy out of the pram than a meaningful protest.
Spotted the left wing radical feminist
And here’s the leftist
Oh come on, they're so incompetent if you look at the sigh at the back they have to squeeze the last letter on to make it fit. Should have let mummy do it for them.
What a ugly angry feminist
Oh go play with your crayons
Let me guess your wife divorced you after getting sick of the beatings, abuse and controlling behaviour now you hate all woman who won't roll over like obedient puppies.
Nope, I just don't like disgusting whinny feminists like you
Aw you feel threatened by little me how sweet
60% longer prison sentences and more likely to be sentenced.
More often victims of violent crimes and often experience it worse than women.
People are okay with women hitting them because they think they deserve it, but if a man hits back he is a terrible person.
Depending on where you live we have the right to choose to be parents while men don't.
High suicide rate.
~40% of the demestic abuse victims, yet they have no shelters for men.
If you try and fight for your rights as a man you are called sexist and bigoted.
Sex and kill objects on TV, yet feminists only care that women are sometimes seen as sex objects.
Male rape victims are even less believed than female victims. Women get handed more scholarships than men, specific to their gender. 3-1 highering in stem field. More likely to graduate every level of education. Always being seen as child predators. Guys can't sit next to minors on a plain, sit on a park bench or help a lost kid without being attacked or harassed.
Oh yer, I'm so so terrified.
@nathanp97 Feminists don't care about facts. Notice how they always resort to name calling and shaming tactics.
the point is you commented on something trivial instead of the actual content of this post
Sure it's justified. As long as its not just a response to feminism, to try to stick it to someone/something. And ofc as long as they do their research and don't just base everything on personal experience.
Men's rights movement and women's should have a good dialouge on how to bring about equality and how to build a culture worth growing up in.
A healthy debate is always good, a toxic one, not so much.
by letting feminism speak for women you have all damned yourselves. women have all the institutional power to destroy our lives and trust between genders has fallen so much that it is very hard as a man to trust a women when she could lie and accuse me of rape and receive little to no consequences for putting innocent men in prison. most women don't even show remorse and will even turn our own children against us after they win custody in the biased courts i and many men like me can't trust you under this current environment.
We do not need a "movement". The natural biological order points to our leadership. It is cultural underpinnings that support the brief, artificial ascendancy of women. As those underpinnings inevitably fade with the inevitable decline of Western Civilization, which is worn out, traditional relationships will be restored. The whole feminist clown car relied on male collaborators, like the "purple pill" editor here, who will fade with them.
I 100% support this movement as men get shitty end of the stick when it comes to parents rights, getting help for mental health, abuse etc. Men should have equal rights to women. Were all equal.
Bet you won't stand up for us irl we need women to speak up for us too.
Damn straight it is. Nobody should be treated unfairly, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexuality, or anything else.
You see that's the thing about these movements, they usually only exist to be a protest of another protest. In my opinion it kind of defeats the whole purpose, but maybe I'm wrong?
You're wrong.
The information about men's rights obviously isn't main stream. It's also not a counter to women's rights.
Women's rights is a multi-billion dollar international industry of government money, corporate donations, and international speakers. Men's rights don't have much of an audience.
Interesting, you've swayed my opinion a bit. Thanks for the information
:) :) There's no need to sway you.
More legitimacy then women's rights movements (as women have all the rights, all the privilege and none of the responsibility, provably).