Should we challenge the culture of feminized men or just let them exist?

[Jack9949]

How many women are going to have to be told later, “Sorry there just isn’t a fitting man for you”? If we don’t stop this culture now in its beginning stages it will take full effect and hundreds of millions of women will become unsatisfied. I care about other people. Bring back the Masculine man! Women deserve better and who wants to be friends with an emotionally unstable dude that overreacts to everything and gets emotional and triggerred by the littlest things? Aren’t men suppossed to be able to face challenges instead of whining about them being difficult? Aren’t men suppossed to be confident and hardworking instead of dependent on help? Shouldn’t men be themselves without needing attention and validation? I’m sick of feminized men using fake voices on purpose all the time, trying to sound like women when they talk.

Seriously... why are there so many women who claim to like feminized men? It’s ridiculous. They’ve got all the bad qualities. Hell they probably don’t have the testosterone in their bodies to support anything longer than a 2 inch dick. If your a slut that cares about your precious time, even you might want to reconsider.

Yes. It can only lead to bad things

No. Let people be themselves

[Anonymous]

We should challenge it.

For one thing, it's not "being themselves", many guys overdo it because they think women want the same things as they do. It's too encouraged, not just "letting people be themselves".

Another thing is that being yourself is not a magic solution to everything. Don't be yourself if you're an asshole. At the end of the day an essential consideration is: how are you going for form relationships with women? Women like certain things and you have to cater to that to some extent no matter how dumb and unreasonable it is if you want to experience human intimacy. They will of course say "be yourself" and that's rooted in their sympathy, but that doesn't make you attractive. Being attractive makes you attractive. They're not lying when they say the want you to be yourself, just for it to work, "yourself" needs to be a person that has the qualities they're interested in. If yourself isn't compatible then fuck being yourself because that's going to leave you sad and mad.

What women enjoy is the masculine gender role. So what you need to do is blend "yourself" with the masculine gender role and really *be* that person. You need to reconcile what aspects are truly "yourself" with the aspects of the masculine gender role that you find agreeable and palatable.

And it's good to start out from the mindset that this isn't going to be fair, it's just life and life doesn't care about fair. It's more than likely not going to be. Men won't care about your troubles because they're in the same boat and women won't care because they actually like you adopting this masculine persona. Exceptions are more than likely simply delayed reactions and true exceptions are unicorns. Someone will scoop them up and it could be you, but they're rare so they're not something you should count on to appear in your life.

[Bandit74]

Well from an opportunistic standpoint the more feminized men there are the more beneficial it is for the men who are not feminized. As much as women will say it is ok for a guy to be feminine or that they are just as manly even if they don't have conventionally masculine traits they dont back it up with their actions/dating choices.

The guys who are masculine will still be chosen disproportionately for sex. Maybe feminzed men will be better for when women want to settle down, raise kids, and pay off a mortgage but when the women cheat on their feminzed husbands it will more than likely be with a masculine guy.

[BlueScorpio]

I think in the long run we will see it causing somewhat of a downward effects in the future. Most *straight* women are not attracted to feminine men, most of the time the "he's gay" light bulb clicks in our head and we right him off as untouchable. If that keeps progressing then sooner or later you are going to have an imbalance, cause the women aren't going to just be competing other women for masculine men, their also going to be competing other men for them as well.

Also the more men become feminized, the greater risk a country is in, cause we have to be real most men start and end wars, they become a easier target to defeat and take over since the their more docile and their testosterone levels have plummeted. If anything women should be careful, cause it's getting to the point were you're some what being erased in and outside the media by biological men trying to be you or acting more womanly. It's basically the start of a crumbling society. You don't have any men or women cause their trying to be each other, that leads to the lack of procreation and the family unit. Which helps lowers populations and makes those left easier to control.

[thegirlfromthething]

Let them be themselves. I don’t think we should push masculine men to be feminine but men who naturally gravitate towards traditionally feminine activities or qualities should be allowed to do so. If I’m going to date a masculine guy he should be that way because it’s who he is, not because other people pressured him to hide his true personality. I’d rather be single than be in a relationship based on lies.

[Jack9949]

Fair point. But you don’t believe men should be conditioned by society to be masculine? How about re-education camps as an option?

[thegirlfromthething]

They don’t need to be formally or explicitly conditioned because gender roles come naturally to most people. And people who don’t fit them naturally will observe other people and take cues from them. Openly feminine men seem to be a minority and I don’t think re-education camps are necessary or helpful to them. They would be living a lie if they were forced to act traditionally masculine and over time that wears you down.

[Jack9949]

Are you hearing yourself right now?

[thegirlfromthething]

Not all men are traditionally masculine. Most naturally fit that role but there will always be a small number of anomalies and there’s no reason to make them miserable.

[Jack9949]

I’m fine with a minority being around, but this feminized male culture is being encouraged by society and it needs to end

[thegirlfromthething]

Re-education camps, forced conversion, and shaming are not the answer. Feminine men will resent those tactics and learn to hide their femininity instead of letting it fade away because they’re too harsh. They would be more responsive to subtler techniques like media representation of masculine men because they wouldn’t feel attacked.

[Jack9949]

In order to correct a society you gotta be tough.

[thegirlfromthething]

Let them be bred out of existence then. You seem confident that women won’t want them, so if women only start families with masculine men who teach their sons to be masculine then feminine men will become a thing of the past soon enough.

[Jack9949]

True. That is unless we have this culture that continues indoctrinating men

[thegirlfromthething]

The culture will change if only masculine men are repopulating and their numbers would eventually overwhelm feminine men.

[Jack9949]

Fair enough

[jakerson181]

I love how guys like you who can't get laid and couldn't make a woman hot if you set yourself on fire are self proclaimed experts on what women want or should want. Women don't seem to be complaining about not being able to find a guy and if they did as you advised, your chances of getting laid would be even worse cause I've rarely come across a guy who whines and complains as much about why women won't even look at him as you. You're every bit the whiny pussy you tell women they should reject. Oh, and I don't think the hard core racist/Whie Supremacist thing is helping you much either. Women can smell that on you before you even open your mouth.

[BurnHollywoodBurn]

We have to fight it for the future because otherwise the government is gonna make everyone their bitch which is the whole reason why they made sure they are feminized. I truly think they are putting something in vaccines to make men more feminine and even turn some gay.

[Jack9949]

That’s terrifying! What a shameful world we live in!

[BurnHollywoodBurn]

Yes it is.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely we must change the culture. In reality this is just part of a larger kulturkampf that we must fight though. The enemy does not want you changing the status quo here, because it plays into their hands, so they will resist any attempt to do so.
The best way to effect the change you seek is through universal male military service. Every male in the country is bound to serve 1 year after high school, which would offer an opportunity to correct any such deviants early.

[Jack9949]

Excellent idea!

[Radio4men]

Loin king's lesson:
Take out Alpha men, and watch the evil men on the top do whatever they want.
Girly men destroy the world.
Dont believe me? Look at Sweden the most feminist misandry nation in the world. The radicals (immigrants) got dumped into Sweden by millions. Police stepped down. and since their men were SIMPS /SOYBOYS! their women got rap3d and they started seeing no go zones.
Who's gonna stop 500,000 radicals crazy masculine men? More masculine men.

[Jack9949]

What the hell was Sweden thinking?

[Radio4men]

5 minutes search on youtube would stop ignoring being bliss.

[wankiam]

you do know this isn't a new phenomena right? you can't even cite feminism as a cause like so many do in a vain attempt to discredit it or justify inceldom... google parisian dandies and you will see they preceeded feminism by 100 years. to that end my personal view is you do you and let other do themselves. there is no need for either judgement or concern as it really does not indicate we are heading for the end of humanity

[QooLipBite]

Nature will sort itself out.

Girls are not attracted to feminized men, plain and simple. If a guy wishes to attain female attraction, then they will sharpen their masculine edge if they desire so.

Either way, women are attracted to “Real Men”. Those who possess certain characterstics and qualities.

[Anonymous]

This is just another way to demoralize and break down our culture along with other events of the last few weeks. A demoralized, broken down culture with no heritage and identidy can easily be absorbed/ dominated by another culture. Wake dumbasses to what is happening.

[Jack9949]

Fascist takeover? Nazis burning books is like tearing doen statues

[Opinion Owner]

Total elimination of any European influence in our culture, the Africanization of our culture. A demoralized weak group with no idenity will easily submit.

[Barbaric]

It's not a fascist take-over, it's a communist take-over. People need to learn the difference between the two because while both are authoritarian ideologies, they're in complete opposition to each other.

[Jack9949]

@Barbaric I see

[Barbaric]

Actually the books which they burned were actually communist books, pushing things during the Weimar Republic like feminism, transgenderism, promiscuity etc. All the things they're pushing today which are contributing to the things we're speaking about here. Meanwhile the communists went more for things which had to do with the culture they were taking over - statues, street names, history etc. Just like antifa/BLM are doing now. Again, none of this is anything new.

[Opinion Owner]

@Barbaric Exactly, Thank You!

[Soteris]

Well this is pretty pathetic. Lets just get this straight, if women did not like "feminized" men then they would not exist. This is just simple evolution, such traits would have been eliminated unless women did not find them "desirable". This is also reflected in nature with many animals having females being attracted to feminine males more than to masculine males.

Quite frankly your lack of understanding about biology and genetics is a bit disturbing.

[Jack9949]

Most women don’t like feminine males and there’s more men turning into them. As that not a problem?

[Soteris]

Again, the ratio of feminine men to women that likes feminine men has been finely tuned by evolution. They would simply not exist if there was not an equal demand for them. If you have a problem it is with the countless generations of women who decided they very much did enjoy a feminine male.

[Barbaric]

That's not even how it works.

Traits don't just disappear. In nature, the strong survive and the weak perish. You can replace strong with intelligent or other beneficial traits, but let's use "strong" here. The selection for strength doesn't lead to a never-ending increase in strength, there's a limit.

Weak animals/humans can still be born from strong parents. Mutations continue to happen, and many of these mutations are maladaptive. In the state of nature such animals don't survive or reproduce. They never disappear.

Feminised men and the women who like them are people with maladaptive genetics. The only reason they're able to survive and reproduce today is because we live in modern civilisation.

As humans we also seem to be doomed to repeat cycles for this reason. History repeats itself. This is why all civilisations rise and fall. Some people put it simply like this:
- Hard times create strong men (natural selection weeds out weak men)
- Strong men create good times (as a result of that natural selection)
- Good times create weak men (as a result of the lack of natural selection)
- Weak men create hard times (because the culture is filled with weak men who can't defend it)

Once any civilisation reaches a certain level of success, where most people live comfortably, people (men) become weak and the culture either collapses on itself as conflict rises, or it's invaded/replaced by a stronger culture.

Weak men can't defend a culture or hold it up, they can't even defend themselves. In fact they're bad at recognising threats altogether. We're seeing this right now. We're in the final stage of that cycle.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

@Barbaric What about the stronger men living during the last stage of this cycle?

[Barbaric]

@UncleJessieRabbit

The only difference between the two is that stronger men are more likely to be able to deal with things when SHTF.

[Soteris]

@Barbaric Actually that is exactly how it works. In fact the whole "strong survives and weak perishes" is the bullshit one. In reality evolution promotes "Success", not simple "strength". It also does not only produce one result, as in we are not all the product of a single line of improvement but it makes a large number of successful traits that then makes up a person. A good example is skin color. Its not just one skin color or a strong/weak skin color but a wide variety of successful skin colors all being promoted at the same time.

Also your cyclical nonsense approaches something that is true in reality but you still miss the whole point of it. The whole idea of "strong" people is complete and utter nonsense since the hard times you speak of might not be solved by strength but maybe some other trait.

Lets say the hard times that comes is for example a pandemic. Those who survives this pandemic would not be the strong or the weak or the healthy or even the sick. Those who survive the pandemic would be those who have a natural resistance to the pandemic.

This is why in good times, where the successful species diversifies is actually when its the strongest. When its the most prepared for any eventual disaster. Whatever it is there is someone with the traits to survive it and thrive.

[Barbaric]

Like I said in my last reply, you can replace strength with other traits such as intelligence and you get the same result. For example in the past, before modern civilisation, you also had to be smart in order to survive. Today you can be borderline retarded and still survive and reproduce. A lot of dumb people have children, which has led to a gradual drop in average IQ and the dumbing down of the culture.

Even with skin colour, there are reasons for those adaptations and they're good/bad depending on the climate. In very hot climates, people evolved to have dark-skin to protect from sunburn - good. Light skin in hot climates leads to sunburn - bad. In very cold climates, people evolved to have light skin to better absorb sunlight in order to produce vitamin D - good. Dark-skin blocks sunlight preventing the production of vitamin D where there isn't much sunlight, leading to vitamin D deficiency - bad.

The cycle isn't nonsense. In his book "Sex And Culture", social anthropologist J. D. Unwin studied thousands of cultures in the past and noticed that pattern in every single one. It's even related to things such as sexual morality and the structure of families. Cultures with strong family values tend to be successful, and then high divorce rates and promiscuity come before the decline of the culture. Family values: strong culture. Lack of family values along with promoscuity: weak culture.

[Barbaric]

The people who are most likely to die from Covid19 are those with compromised immune systems.

No, you're wrong about people being strongest in the good times. People who live in good times tend to become weak. The only way to become strong is through resistance. Without any struggle you become weak. People today, especially our generation, don't know real struggle. We've lived in the best times, even the poorest of us live better than kings of the past. These people are not prepared now for what's to come. They barely even know what's coming. They think that everything is going to go back to normal and it's really not.

[Soteris]

@Barbaric Oh yeah, because history is full of intelligent rulers making intelligent decisions and not at all a never-ending story of stupid people making stupid decisions. Also you literally can't have a drop in average IQ's because the IQ is based on the average person. The average will always be 100 and 50% of people will always be above 100 and 50% will always be below 100. That is literally how it is designed.

Either way you have amply demonstrated that you do not grasp these subjects. Like for example your reply to skin color. I clearly said that they are all successful examples, as they all have their advantages. My point however is that they all exist at the same time in the population. Just like how there is many different traits that are meant to attract the opposite gender in circulation among the population, one of them is the "feminized man".

As for J. D. Unwin his whole worldview is pretty fucking stupid. The idea that people in a more advanced civilization becomes more sexually liberal at the cost of its creative power and "expansive" energy. Its quite frankly ridiculous.

As for Covid-19, its not about a strong or a weak immune system but that is besides the point. A virus or bacteria can target anything in your body. It can target the genetic adaptations that makes you smart, strong or even your very immune system.

Just because you have a strong immune system does not mean it will work against a specific disease or even that said disease can't use that very same immune system against you. If such a thing were to happen then those who would survive would be those with a bad immune system or perhaps no immune system at all. That would be the measure of "strength" for that challenge.

[Barbaric]

That's not what I said. Cultures rise to success through the leadership of strong, intelligent leaders, and fall as a result of the weak and the stupid.

You can get a drop in IQ. If one generation scores a certain number and sets the average at 100, then the next generation scores 5 points below on average, they've gotten dumber. Have you never heard of the Flynn effect?

The different skin colours have always existed at the same time in different areas for the reasons I mentioned, so I'm not sure what your point is there. More recently they exist in mixed cultures because of immigration, sure, but that's a recent thing. Which again is only a thing because we live in modern civilisation. But really that part is irrelevant and these responses are getting TL;DR.

Like I said before, maladaptive traits don't all go away. Effeminate men and women who are attracted to them are maladaptive. The fact that they exist doesn't mean that it's a positive trait.

J. D Unwin's theories aren't ridiculous at all. Those things, the break-down of family and promiscuity, always come at the end of a culture. The reason they do is partly because of the lack of natural selection resulting in the weakness of the culture, and the decline also happens because of the removal of sexual morality. Once that happens and you have broken families all over the place, you end up with broken children, who raise the next generation of broken children.

[Barbaric]

People with strong families, who raised/were raised well, tend to want to work towards the betterment of the culture. They tend to create and have high trust cultures with strong social cohesion. It's that which causes the expansive energy.

People without that tend not to. They tend to create and have low trust cultures, with weak social cohesion, everybody working towards different interests coming into conflict. Over time this conflict gets worse and worse until collapse happens. Promiscuity and lack of sexual morality is either a cause of the weakness of the culture, or a side effect.

Have you not been watching the news lately?

[_SOARER]

We need to hold everyone in society to a standard if we wish that society to be great
I think men should be held to a standard of masculinity. I always call out my friends when they are acting hysterical or overly emotional.
The time to man up is coming

[alice55]

I didn't noticed men were more feminine now than before all that I noticed was that men were much more selfish and bitter now than before

[Jack9949]

Interesting take. Could you elaborate on that?

[alice55]

For example they assume all women are an entitled feminist and then act agressive with me until I tell them I'm not one and I'm more traditional than anything and then they act nicer and like it's rare to find someone like me, etc...
Not all men are like that of course some are good but they tend to be introvert and so hard to talk with cause I'm also an introvert so engaging a conversation is always quite hard *-*

[Jack9949]

You raise a good point. Guys overexagerate the extent of feminism constantly.

[alice55]

They do and it's tiring, the worse things is assuming every women is one then act agressive with them until the woman say she aren't one then they act all nice, it kind of sound like hypocrisy to me or something a two faced person would do, it make me uncomfortable.

[Jack9949]

I treat everyone with respect, so if they don’t offer it to me, I just leave em behind 👍

[alice55]

That's the best things to do

[abc3643]

Can you please provide a list of some of the differences between a "feminized man" and an "unfeminized man" and explain what makes a "feminized man" be "feminized"?

[Jack9949]

I explained feminized men above

[Snakeyes7]

I’d say let them be what they want and see how they overcome that issue if they are straight. I think it’s just because masculinity is now a mental health issue according to the APA when it is the complete opposite.

[Synikal]

My opinion but challenging ideals... yes. I don't want to be on the end of telling people how to be. But in truth bless the day I have a son or daughter. I want them to have strong morals. Be independent and able to protect themselves. Have a strong family. Me saying this, I don't want them to be overly critical of their kids but support them to be the best them and not live any kind of way.

[jabberwocky00]

Usually I would agree 100% that men need to be manly. But the way this is presented... eh, let people be the way they wana be.

[Jack9949]

Why tho? Don’t you recognize thay feminized men presents cultural issues?

[jabberwocky00]

As I already said. Men need to be manly. But hating society isn’t helping either

[tartaarsaus]

Well, how would you propose to eliminate the tendency of some men to display behaviour that you consider to be traditionally more prevalent among women?

[Jack9949]

Re education camps

[tartaarsaus]

I think the word for that is state-led indoctrination.

[Jack9949]

Yessir!

[tartaarsaus]

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[Jack9949]

So what?

[Jack9949]

I believe in fascism and nationalism when it aligns with my views.

[tartaarsaus]

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[RolandCuthbert]

Well, since your cute little self is one of them, I think we should let you exist.

[Jack9949]

I never proposed genocide. Just cultural correction.

[Shamalien]

strong men breed good times, good times breed weak men

weak men breed hard times...

[Ámayas_20]

Let people be whoever they want, this isn't even something that should be discussed.

[Jack9949]

So your perfectly fine with hundreds of millions of women not having husbands in the future? Your perfectly fine with an entire generation of men who don’t believe in working hard and being succesful? But instead whine about their problems?

[Ámayas_20]

Okay you're getting a shit ton twisted here first of all if no one gets married or gets into relationships it's not a big deal, the human race is hardly good for anything but ourselves so if we choose to die out then there is no problem. People deserve to be happy and be themselves we live short lives no point in living a life you hate for someone else or so you can attract a husband/wife, not to mention the amount of people that are attracted to the type of man you're talking about. You're confusing a lot here as well just because someone complains doesn't mean they aren't hard-working and even if they aren't that's a personal flaw you should work on not a defining characteristic, at the end of the day as long as they're living their own life it's got nothing to do with you anyway.

P. S. Saying men shouldn't need support and validation is not only extremely sexist but a huge part of the reason suicide is the leading cause of death for young men.

[Jack9949]

Look I was once suicidal and depressed. But then I realized I was being an absolute wus.

[Ámayas_20]

Then hun you didn't have depression you were sad, another difference to learn. You need to stop concerning yourself so much with the lives of others and maybe focus on your own attitude problem.

[Jack9949]

What attitude problem? Having an opinion and expressing it anonymously on online forums? Just like your doing right now?

[Ámayas_20]

No dude your agro way of being, your seeing bad in everything you don't like, just chill the fuck out. It doesn't affect you and it never will unless you let it.

[Jack9949]

Ok then...

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

Literally who cares.
It's less competition.

[Jack9949]

That’s a more positive way of seeing it. As opportunistic. 👍

[Anonymous]

Should we challenge the culture of masculinized men or just let them exist?
Anyway, do you have a problem with feminine characteristics? Are they inferior somehow in your view?

[Jack9949]

I do have a problem with feminine characteristics when they are exhibited by A LITERAL FUCKING MAN!!! Men were designed to be men biologically. There’s no reason we should change that.

[Opinion Owner]

What are feminine features to begin with? Being soft, being emotional, empathy, sexiness, taking care of your appearance,... Are those feminine features?

[Jack9949]

Yea why?

[Opinion Owner]

I like men with those features. I'm pretty sure many women do as well...