Do you believe that men can't be traditionally men in a world where women are no longer traditionally women?

[SolitarySolace]

Yes

No

[razelove]

You can be traditional, it's just a losing game. It's the same with a lot of women, they see that they could be traditional, but what are the benefits? Unless you have some overwhelmingly compelling reason to stay that course, it's more beneficial to not even consider it.

The premise is flawed, how many people are growing up "traditional" with church, a 2 parent household, and conservative mindsets to begin with? It's smarter to take advantage where you can, play the game, have fun, and only exit it when it's beneficial, and you've found that partner who idolizes you.

Or, you know, whatever works for you.

[GuyAnswersGirls123]

It's definitely tougher but I think if we deeply value our ethics, we strive to stick to them even at the face of maximum resistance.

It makes no sense to me when men say they abandoned the traditional gentleman code of conduct and no longer hold doors open for women because some lunatic feminist yelled at them for it. That's letting a woman, and not even the type representative of the majority of women, dictate their code of conduct.

To me that's even more simping than buying women drinks at bars hoping to get laid; what's next, becoming a male feminist?

So I think if a man truly values the traditional idea of being a man and the associated ethics and codes of conduct, he is not going to let some obnoxious modern women dissuade him from staying true to his values.

[dustybiker2]

Only if you are a type of person who refuses to try and adapt to new situations, try new things. Don't waste life. You are supposed to take chances and make mistakes. It's scary. It's supposed to be.

[SolitarySolace]

But is it worth it. That's today's question

[dustybiker2]

If you end up happy, yes. To go hallmark. Life is the endless pursuit of happiness. Both finding and then keeping. It takes effort which makes it worthwhile.

[SolitarySolace]

I’ve attempted happiness and every time I ended up unhappy. Every time I try I end up unhappy

[dustybiker2]

Yes. But it only takes once to be happy.

[laly520]

there r traditional women to tradition men n usually they both dont get involved with untraditional people

[SolitarySolace]

Do you think there is a traditional women out there for every traditional man?

[laly520]

I doubt
traditional people r so rare to find n especially women, more rare to find a traditional woman than a traditional guy
I myself wonder how I managed to find myself a traditional man in the current degenerated era
it also depends on country
where I live its super rare
unlike my boyfriend community that has more traditional people

[SolitarySolace]

Just because someone claims to be traditional doesn't mean they're actually traditional. I heard a story on a podcast from some woman who said a friend of hers is a staunch pro life activist, ended up getting an abortion at 6 months and went back to being a staunch pro life activist. Does the fact that she got an abortion man she's still a pro lifer?

[laly520]

he never said he is traditional but it shows in his actions n the values he got which is pretty obvious

that woman is a pathetic hypocrite

[SolitarySolace]

A lot of women out there are pathetic hypocrites

[laly520]

n lot of men as well
pathetic hypocrites r everywhere

[SolitarySolace]

Sure are. So why should people in general risk it at all?

[laly520]

we humans always risked it or else we wouldn't have made any real progress in life
risking it is part of our nature
I do always recommend to be safe n careful but also no harm in trying
it won't be end of world
if one fails then try again
bad n good r here n there
with some luck n time one can find the good

[SolitarySolace]

I risked it with a girl I met in college. Tried to see where things would go and if she was even interested and I ended up with an ex parte ppo and the threat of being arrested at a whim because she decided to give herself that power. Should I risk going through that again? Should I rush getting cheated on again like in the 4 relationships I had leading up to the false accusation? Every risk I take it slams me even deeper into a hole everyone claims I dug for myself. So why keep trying?

[laly520]

im sorry that happened
she is really bad for that
no one deserves such treatment
its fine u will do better in future
atm focus on urself n on healing
finding someone isn't important for now
u ain't prepared for someone new

[SolitarySolace]

The false accusation was 7 years ago and the last woman who cheated on me was 9. I've rejected every woman interested in me sense and I will continue to do so when the next one comes along. I'm done taking roses especially after the recent one conned me out of $1,000 and yet people believe women don't just care about money

[laly520]

its fine
take as long as u want to heal
women can wait
I dont know u personally but I can tell that u r a good person who had it too worse
stay safe out there n always take care of urself

[SolitarySolace]

Don't bother telling me that bullshit I am going to stay single forever and that's because I choose to be. Everyone thinks all men want a woman except the gay ones 🤣

[ChiTown33]

No. A man can always be a man regardless of the actions of women. Because a MAN just IS. A man doesn't ask if he is a man. He knows it already.

Now I will say when women are not traditionally women it does alter a man's relation to women. But it doesn't change who he is.

[DextroShade]

Men are still expected to be traditional because if they aren't society collapses. Women who aren't traditional don't deserve traditional treatment from men. If she's a lady I will treat her like a lady; if she's a bitch I will treat her like a bitch. Unfortunately most modern women are bitches.

[NathanDavis]

whiny boys can't do shit anywhere...

[JacobJordan]

Of course we can I am very much a traditional man. I just went to where traditional women are. Would rather sacrifice my country of residence than sacrifice my morals

[Massageman]

To a degree, yes: to a degree, no. It certainly is going to make things a lot harder for both parties when they stray from God's provision for each sex.

[SolitarySolace]

What are gods provisions for each sex?

[SolitarySolace]

In your opinion, I should add

[Massageman]

Read the Bible and you will find out.

[SolitarySolace]

I have read it. Never caught it

[Yannae]

No, it's up to you to live how you want to live. You'll attract traditional women if you are traditional.

[SolitarySolace]

I really hope not. Both traditional women and progressive women are two sides of the same sexist coin. They want the man to do everything for her and she gets the choice to do nothing for him and leave in a no fault divorce if she so chooses. Women have too many options while men have close to none and we’re led to believe that men have all the rights? Women have all the privileges

[Yannae]

If she does nothing, she's not a traditional woman.
Mine prepares food, cleans, gives killer massages, is very affectionate and above else, supportive.

[Yannae]

I've dated a woman yet who wanted to play around shame on her. She tried it again, I ended things and looked for someone else. If she's not the kind of partner I'm looking for, I just keep looking.

[SolitarySolace]

So you’re going to let her do those things until the day she divorces you for your money? 🤣 ok man good luck with that

[SolitarySolace]

She’s just trying to keep you until she’s bored and ready to discard you

[Yannae]

Prenups, man. contracts. She hasn't asked for money once, asked to go on an expensive date. Not once. And we pay for our own food when we do go out.

[Yannae]

I was also jobless for a few months and she was still with me.

[SolitarySolace]

Not all traditional women are going to agree to a prenup. She, just like progressive women, will claim you don’t trust her or love her blah blah blah maybe you found a unicorn good for you but I still don’t trust women enough to attempt another relationship after 9 full years

[BonzoInBitburg]

There are still some traditional women out there. They are quiet about it but they are out there

[AngryCarl]

Men don't need anything from women to be men. Unfortunately we do need women to produce more men... and women.

[noohair]

If you stick to what you believe is correct conduct, the rest is easy. I don't give a flip what the sociery thinks if they are all twisted and wrong.

[LazerBean]

A woman requires a man to be able to be traditional, but a man not require a woman to be traditional. Traditional people know this.

[SolitarySolace]

Traditional people don't want to be with untraditional people

[LazerBean]

Well yeah obviously, though off topic.

[SolitarySolace]

How is it off topic?

[LazerBean]

How is it not? It literally has nothing to do with what I said.

[SolitarySolace]

Why else would A woman require a man to be able to be traditional, but a man not require a woman to be traditional if not to form some sort of meaningful connection?

[LazerBean]

Because traditional women focus on taking care of the home when possible and traditional men focus on providing. Obviously a woman cannot focus on taking care of the home when she does not have a husband or father providing for her. I was referring to the literal ability to act out traditional roles, not whatever you were thinking about.

[SolitarySolace]

So you're saying a man should still focus on providing while a woman shouldn't take care of the home, kids, and her husband? Than why should the man continue to provide?

[LazerBean]

No, I am very obviously not saying that lmao.

[LazerBean]

Here since you're for some reason having trouble understanding words, let me simplify the answer to your title question. "No."

[slatyb]

What do you mean by "traditionally men"?

[SolitarySolace]

Masculine and exhibiting traditional male gender roles

[slatyb]

Like what? Basically you just said that "traditional" means "traditional". What does it mean to you? What do you consider "Traditional male gender roles?" What does masculine mean to you?

[SolitarySolace]

He works and comes home to be taken care of by a woman who doesn't complain

[slatyb]

So he can do whatever as long as he makes rent and she has to take whatever he gives her?

[normalice]

Let's hope not.

[karlainsd]

Just be yourself.