I'm open to liberalism and conservatism in your opinions. I just want to know what do you think about the negative impacts of refuge and immigration. Protecting the European culture might also be taken as an issue. Refugees are flooding all over Europe such as Germany and Sweden. Do you take sides with protecting the European culture or being open to Islamic influences. My cousin lives in Munich and he's quite an islamophobe actually everyone in my family is it's quite strange to me they don't let me talk to my Muslim friend too. I'm the only open minded person in my family but the refugee influx might create security concerns and conflict between the ethnic groups if there can be a sense of pride in being black then there can no doubt should be a sense of pride being white. I'm no hard left liberal but I am an open minded person and I think all people are equal and can think and do what they want.
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So anyone change their mind now?
Fellow Europeans what do you think about refugees and immigrants?
I'm generally against mass migration, whether it's legal or illegal. Europe is in no need of immigrants, despite what the lying Liberal media tell us, and I think we should keep our national character as Europeans: our people, our language and our traditions. This is non-negotiable to me.
And I speak as an "immigrant" myself since I'm living abroad, with a work visa and I have wife and kids in this country. But who can tell I'm not native if not by my accent? I can pass as a Swede without any problems. Africans and Asians, however, can't do it because they don't belong to this land. They have lots of countries to live in, so why Europe? Oh, I know... The welfare system! What kind of contributions welfare dependents can make to Europe? Even a better question: why should we consent to let them bring their problems to our countries?
I'm not a corporate capitalist, I don't own a multinational that pays some starvation wages to a bunch of desperate workers, I'm not a Liberal politician who needs to build a voting fodder, so why should I be in favour of mass migration?
I'm not even talking about my opinion on certain cultural differences, which, frankly speaking, is not even the point here.
You're confused. America is a land of European immigrants, it's done fairly well. Europeans immigrated and colonised much of the rest of the world too. Hence most of the world followed them back there.
The bullshit about "immigration" and "refugees" is exactly that - bullshit. The first tenet of a country is to look after it's laws and commitments. That includes looking to the cases of immigration and asylum.
The so called "negative impacts" are not due to the people with problems. They are due to lazy and snollygoster politicians who make issues, and whip up crowds around them to form a vote base for themselves.
No "culture" has ever needed protection. It's in the nature of culture to change with the people and language. There is no proven evidence of refugees "flooding" anywhere in Europe. Most of the issues are down to slow processing and too many meatheads with lots to say about the situation, but not willing to help with their side of the problem.
Also, modern Europe came about because of Islamic influence. Were it not for Al-Andalus and the Muslims destroying Christendom in Europe, you would still be living under Church rule now.
Lastly, most of these security issues are down to police and security services being racist/bigoted against certain groups. Obviously there will be gangs, criminals and nutters who need it. But every society has theirs, but only likes to point out the others groups numbers of them.
The issues are nowt to do with immigrants, and more to do with yellow belly natives getting scared that foreign people will come in, and take their jobs. But actually do them better than they will, and for a smaller price.
even the worst immigrant caused less problems than europeans. no POC has ever massacred people just because of their color. and if those people are immigrants, that's thanks to white america. Stop playing victim and keep paying turkey to keep your 7 million refugees.
Uh another one of you guys. Haiti killed all their Europeans for your information and we can't be blamed for this it's not like we own slaves. We just want to protect our culture because we are a minority in the world population we are open to immigrants who better our country like educated people we don't want people who have third world ideologies.
I have a Swedish passport miss I live in Russia because my father works here and geographically I am in Europe my mom's from Gothenburg and my dad's from Minsk so that makes me a 100% European human being.
I live in Europe and this wasn't even about skin color and I speak Russian and Swedish I relate to russian culture more. I respect the people and I live in St. Petersburg that's in Europe for your information.
still better than Christchurch terrorist huh? You are the ones who make their homes uninhabitable. For one side to be very rich, the other must be very poor. This is how the equation works. Simple
For every one Christchurch terrorist there are a million jihadis ready to kill you any moment of the day. I suppose by your neo-liberalistic ideologies you're not an European because if you were you might've experienced these first hand. Yes, Europe is rich and we'd like to remain that way.
i wonder why all the jihad suicides happened at once (mostly in major countries and muslim countries such as turkey) Do you guys still believe in this crap? I'm not muslim but the european racism is getting worse each day.
We aren't racist we greet immigrants who are qualified and better our country with open arms. But we don't like immigrants and refugees who commit crimes and trash our beautiful cities. Refuse to speak our language and assimilate with our cultural values.
you are already getting all the best refugees/immigrants and pay turkey to keep millions of the bad ones. I dont think you have anything to whine about
These are definitely not the best. These guys rape women and snatch their purses now you'll find a way to justify this too. Our government offers them education but they refuse to talk in our language. All the good immigrants are those scientists and doctors who come here they are nice people they assimilate with our culture and we treat them as our own and these people are just votes for the liberal parties and we know it well the whole political atmosphere has changed to the right wing here. Fascism is back on the rise again and it's too sad to see that my generation would have to face hardships in the most developed and educated continent of the world.
what? no. I like european culture too im just saying that this whole "not welcoming refugees" thing is getting racist. Do you have any idea how many people died while they were trying to get to the greek side? Greeks have no mercy and people in turkey support that. I keep seeing posts like "Greece should kill all the refugees/immigrants before they end up like us." on turkish social media. This is unhuman
You're right. Everyone's human and deserves a good life but these people are raping women and killing innocent people Not all refugees are bad I'm just saying those who aren't being respectful should be deported or be corrected and I don't like my uncle he's a war criminal and just all around not a nice person to hang around with. It's been a good debate with you. I hope you have a nice day. I'm sorry for being a jackass but we also are facing real issues. We aren't being racist but seeing our citees being trashed hurts us too. We want to help but we get robbed by them and these liberal politicians don't care about our issues anymore so the only people winning are right wing neo nazi type parties. It's really bad to see this happen. Again I'm sorry.
Why would they go to Greece or Europe to begin with? There are safe countries, namely Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iran right next to Syria and Iraq. If you have to cross multiple safe countries to get to safety, you're not a refugee, you're an economic migrant.
@ThisDudeHere most of them are already in turkey and lebanon. Not just them, we already have so many migrants from other turkic countries, poor African and Asian countries. You must take responsibility too. Lebanon and Turkey aren't the ones who created crisis in the middle east.
The stereotype isn't actually true. Russia has good parts too, come to my part of town you'd find g wagons everywhere. Gopniks live in industrial cities and in Russia we don't really curse each other a lot. If you come to like Moscow you wouldn't find ladas and gopniks but outside the cities yes you would.
Without immigration Europe will collapse. Look at the birth rates. Europe NEEDS immigration if it is going to continue to be a thriving part of the world. Multiculturalism is the future.
Oh, we've found the Jeff Bozo's sidegirl! What a pleasure! Europe is in no need of migrants, despite what your Neoliberal masters tell you, OK?
We aren't collapsing anytime soon, don't worry, we native Europeans have been living in this continent for some millennia, we faced conditions much more worse than this modern "demographic winter": the Mongol invasions, the Black Plague, Thirty Years' War, world wars, the fall of the Roman Empire... And we never collapsed!
Go mind your business, make something to improve your life and keep your nose out of other countries' issues. I mean, it's norlt too much to ask, Miss Neoliberalism.
@SlightlyEccentric multiculturalism makes places better. Just look at Canada. The city of Toronto is mostly made up of people born outside of Canada and is a wonderful place to live!
No, but that doesn’t mean immigration and some refugees are bad. Places like Toronto thrive with both. Canada accepts 300,000 per year and is doing great. Happiness is very high, good health care good education. What more do you want?
1. Okay good for Canada. That's their choice. Do one should be forced to follow suit. 2. What's so great about Sharia Law (a law system that devalues women) being incorporated into western values that empower women? Sounds pretty counterproductive. 3. We never needed immigrants. It was forced upon us by progressive politicians who only want more votes to keep them in power.
Canada is the most boring place ever. Canadians don't even have a culture, except a consumer culture because that's the unifying element of the Canadians at the end of the day: they are merely consumers. Their "culture" revolves around shopping malls. Toronto is just one more expensive, crowded and uninteresting generic city that looks like the equally boring American cities. What to do in Toronto by the way? Oh, I know, you either go to the mall or to some pubs and drink the entire night. Very interesting, doesn't it?
If we want to talk about Multiculturalism, Havana and Rio de Janeiro are way more interesting than those bland cities you take as a role model for the world.
To be honest, I don't think refugees impose a threat to the European culture. Last year, it is said that approximately 123,920 entered Europe in 2019. I don't think that imposes a threat on the 741.4 million people in Europe. The truth is, it's not "millions and millions" coming to Europe like people make out, data shows at most it's a few hundred thousand now you compare those numbers 741.1 million figure- how can refugees as a whole impose a great threat to Europe? If they were a real threat to Europe wanting to "take over" all of them would have to have the want to take over, but all of them don't. And even then, the European population as a whole- which has a large native majority, out numbers them so it would be practically impossible for migrants to come and take over and elimate European culture.
And in 2016, according to Pew research center Muslims make up 4.9% of Europe. So I don't see why we're deemed this huge "threat" that wants to take over or whatever. It's simply illogical to think that a minority of 4.9% can soon outnumber the majority.
And all these people on G@G especially, making points about why refugees are bad- I wonder, have they ever actually met any refugees and gotten to know them? I live and was born in England, there were a few refugees in my year group. I made good friends with a refugee girl from Somalia, and she just wanted to come to school, do her work, have fun with her friends, she had hopes, dreams, aspirations, just like all of us.
Honestly, the majority of refugees are just normal people, born into a shitty situation at no fault of their own and luckily they managed to escape that and they're just trying to get on with life.
I don't think it's fair people give them so much shit for it.
I see people on here, often talking about how refugees commit crime, and yes, a number of refugees do commit crime, it's not right.
But why is it, when a refugee commits a crime everybody is disgusted and outraged, but let's say someone who is ethnically European commits the same crime, yet nobody puts empathsis on the fact that the person is ethnically European. Why is it, when someone who is not ethnically European commits a crime, we look at their ethnic background, but when somebody is- we don't?
I found a pretty good video talking neutrally, not identifying as right-wing, or left-wing content but just speaking on the whole issue of refugee crime, I do think it is worth a watch for sure and it's only short: https://www. youtube. com/watch? v=RMm9TI-aaFo
Immigration is natural. Life was said to have started in Africa, technically, everyone in a place that isn't Africa is an immigrant. We all came from somewhere.
So to say that somebody doesn't belong in a particular part of the world, whether it be Europe, Africa, Asia, America, Ocieana, etc- is simply ridiculous in my eyes, because immigration is no new thing, it's been happening for thousands and thousands of years.
If you have enough money to pay 1000-3000€ for a trip, I don't think you're a refugee or poor little person. There is already an immigration process so why bypass it and why is this still tolerated? A lot of migrants don' bother adapting to the culture and they prefer to spread their own deprecated culture that is incompatible with Western values. Just look at how they treat women for example or all the riots they have done (and I'm not even talking about the criminality).
This lack of adaptation to the local culture then creates many divisions and a lot of insecurity in the medium term and I think it's very dangerous since it gives more ways for politicians to divide and conquer people.
I firmly believe that they should stay in their country to make it a better place to live for them, for their family and for their fellow citizens because they won't find the gold they hope to find here in Europe.
Against. We can't be the shelter of the world. If you import third world people, you turn into the third world. Especially if you put such a giant strain on a countries infrastructure and finances.
Though, it is mostly political anyway. There's a reason why so many of those are given better treatment than for example the elders who built up the country, how they get the pass so quickly so they can vote (importing voters should be treason), etc.
The worst about it is. I am not even per se against Refugees, but it needs to be strongly controlled. Control the origin of the people and what they are fleeing from (so you don't have masses of former ISIS and such coming in), have a clear upper limit, make their stay conditional (=learning the language, doing social services such as cleaning the cities they stay at, etc). And last but not least - the moment their country is safe again, get them the fuck back out.
Europe belongs to Europeans and as such they have every right to control immigration. I believe that is why UK want to leave , so that they retained that right.
Immigrants should assimilate into the host country's culture. If they try to change the host country then the citizens of that country have every right to push back on them.
Immigration can be very positive and beneficial for both sides if it is done right. Leftist countries that bend over backward for immigrants at the expense of their own citizens are idiotic. and should be overthrown. They will be eventually, either by the immigrants who are encouraged to run amok or by the native citizens who want to preserve their country and culture
On my opinion you can have a welfare state or open borders, but not both. You need to only invite people from other countries, who are willing to work and integrate in your culture. You do not invite just anyone and then provide them with free benefits, payed by taxpayers. Otherwise you'd get millions of people trying to get in for free stuff (and that's actually happening, human traffickers in Africa promise people they'd get free stuff in Europe and take their money for transportation). You also want to educate them on your culture and values, because those lead to creating Europe, so they most probably are necessary to keep it running. It's a complicated matter of policy and culture, so I'm amazed when I see people being like "Just let everyone in, whatever!".
bigger picture... these are human beings in need and that need was created by america and russia fighty proxxy wars in the middle east with the sole intention of flooding Europe with refugees and so destabilizing the eu bloc which ofcourse ws emerging as not only an economic competitor but also when there was talk of a european army ofcourse a military threat too
@SlightlyEccentric not you again... you a right wing trump loving stalker or what? anyway when they were fighting themselves back home it didn't matter did it? it was kisinger kickeing the hornets nest in 75 that brought terrorism to the west and later obama who designed the plan to weaken Europe but i do rather think the asker was more refering to today than the last two millenia
@SlightlyEccentric you are welcome to disagree but given that this is a discussion site it might help if you brought a well reasoned counter point to the tlbe rather than some fox news anti muslim hannity rhetoric. a knowledge of your own countries recent history might help to
Is there no homeless on the streets of the countries their fleeing too? Is there an abundance of housing where they are fleeing too? Are they willing to adapt to the culture and customs of the country they are fleeing too? If you can answer "yes" to these 3 questions, I'm all for it, otherwise its a no brainer, an absolute no!
Hey, Europe enjoy your outunderstanding, prosperiting bright future with great and smart teachers, doctors, architects, innovativers and all the positive family values and social mannerism that immigrants and refuges from hell hole countries will bring to yours. You absolutely made the correct choice. 👌
Your country will be greatly enriched. Congrats. 👍
Europe never needed immigrants or "refugees". I also find it sickeningly ironic that the only countries taking in large amounts of these "refugees" are the ones being chastised for those who protest against it.
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Personally i hate religion and while some of even many of these refugees might be perfectly ok, they aren't all ok and we are being harmed by allowing them to cross our borders.
I dont dont think that opening the door is the answer, we should be acting to solve these problems at the source though i suspect that in at least some of the cases we are probably a casual factor, we tend to do a lot of dark side shit around the world.
I am open to immigrants, the few immigrants that come to Europe won't affect us at all.
I rather welcome them with open arms, than being held in concentration camps and being used by Erdogan to held us hostage to further increase his power.
IF europeans colonizing africa, inda and america was supposed to be bad then why the hell would the same thing happening to Europe be good? Fuck off with your double standards.
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I don’t live in Europe but I do visit yearly where I go almost every year Syrians, iraqi’s , Pakistanis Coming over in boats load both sides Turkish side few have the refugees spend a lot of money sail middle of waters between Turkey and Greece dropped in middle of the Aegean. Then Greek Coast Guard pick them up. The Turks tell them they be put into taxi and taken to Athens. Some of the refugees burning churches.
If long-term immigrants/asylum seekers just learn the language (they should get help with this), get a job and just live in the same society as everyone else, I don’t mind it at all
I think it's fine as long as they assimilate with our culture. I dont think eastern culture mixes well with ours and it can be damaging to everyone involved.
