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I'll guess at which dictionary definition you refer to as feminism. Political feminists or one who simply cares to be or promotes being feminine. Male and female. I'll assume politically. Females are unique and bring a lot to the table that do better at many things that men can do. As you use the word hate, I hate ignorance and stupidity equally, male or female. I hate assuming based on a double ended question or a non desript question. I value women tremendously. When they understand basic biology infused with God. I'm not a Bible thumper, but Christianity is a good way to explain. Your biology, chemistry, physical and emotional structure is entirely unlike a male. WHY. I want you to answer that question. Objectivly. Celebrate who you were born to be. Don't compete with men. Compete on your own terms, without the focus on men. Yes you may able to be the ceo of a company, the same as a man. Simple right? Yah but no , not so simple. You can demand wage equality, ok. WHAT IS WAGE EQUALITY. lets break that down 2 million ways. You can be equal until many factors come into play. Men can be less equal until many factors come into play. If you want to labor on a construction site and demand equal pay, good luck for you. Its not that women make less money than men, but rather men physically and through testosterone driven mind sets get paid more because they do more. You don't get paid less, they get paid more for performance. The bar is set equally with 50 tasks. The higher paid will be the one who does that consistently over extended periods of time. Two concrete finishers, one a female, one a male. The female can do the same job, but for what extended period of time. Chances are, you will need another person to load your finishing machine, oh but wait, that busy guy already doing his job will have to help you. Men should be screaming inequality, not women. Reverse discrimination. Women that are body builders would cave under a 160 pound guy unloading two concrete trucks by wheel barrow. Maybe a man should get paid the same as a woman holding a flag directing traffic on a construction crew. To all the women who disagree, I dont believe in unions that blindly make men do more for the same pay than what women can't do. No special concessions here. How about being the best nurse you can be better than men at 30 bucks an hour. Sadly but happily to say that the best nurses I've ever had were men. Its fricking true. Millenial self absorbed female nurses are cranky conceited bitches. Im in pain in a hospital when the female lashes out as if punishing a man. Its true. A female dominated industry in health care is being over run by men who do it better. And you ask why men hate feminism. ASK GOD. ITS WHY FEMINISTS LEAD MEN INTO GETTING IT ON SEXUALLY WITH FEMININE MEN. Good luck feminists who crash their car on a sub zero winter night by my house with your kids. Feminist suburban protesting type that suddenly finds a lowly red neck man that can start a cave man fire with venison. Shot by my arrow. You could be in a life and death situation, freezing and starving, when happily say, here's some venison and cheese and milk for your kids, ,, when you have the audacity to say we're fruity vegetarians. Get the point why men hate feminists.
It's like this dude. Men will never fully understand women and women will never fully understand men. Because we are different. There are different stereotypes about women than men. So we have been made fun of about two diffrent things our entire life. Like hwite people get made fun of like this "Hillbilly. Redneck. Missing teeth." And black people get made fun of like this "what cha doin? eatin fried chicken?" White people don't get made fun of for eating fried chicken. We can not understand how fed up with that they are. But black people do not get called redneck. So they can not understand how fed up with that we are. Same thing with men and women. You will never know how fed up men are with the types of things that happen to them because you cannot be them for 38 years, 40 years, 20 years, there whole life 24/7. Neither could possibly a man fully understand how a woman has been made fun of her whole life. Or how she feels. No biggy. Doesn't mean I have to hate them. Doesn't mean have to want to "get rid" of them.
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Thank you so much. I hope I didn't offend you. I was just giving my honest opinion.
nah you didn't offend me. it actually well-thought out and really helped with me understanding WHY men can hate feminism, so thank you for that :)
Lmao off because the guy didn't respond to anything related to the question. He had zero to offer to why men hate feminism. Just answer the damn question, and you girl playing devils advocate games not related to your question. Im doing great socially and financially. But girls playing silly games will have a long hard road ahead. You actually hurt women's causes by playing an adolescent game. Exactly precisely said, you are "crying wolf". You never heard that have you. Its rhetorical. So look up and research crying wolf, and the word rhetorical. Im not affected by you what so ever. No matter your response as adolescent as it will be. Openly admitting you're dicking with people isn't so funny when it all comes down to that.
@AlexAndriatg111 no, he answered the question correctly. i asked WHY do men hate feminism and he gave me a response. the majority of the other responses are men being overly emotional and writing long manifestos on why women shouldn't have rights + i never asked how you were doing socially and financially 🤷 and about me playing devil's advocate, devil's advocate is essential to human understanding, because in opting for the other side you can actively learn and understand why people think the way they do. please go cry somewhere else
Yeah
Great answer.
Because a lot of men miss-identify feminism as angry women screaming about superiority rather than being treated as a human being without your sex being held against you. While others, extremists, not the common man, don't like the idea of women not trying to appeal to their trivial and political desires and beliefs religiously.
buuuut it is largely extremist women hating men
you don't have any legitimate causes left to fight for
@007kingifrit agreed!
Because they’re finally being called out for sexuallising young girls, lurking creepily at their female coworkers and they are forced to leave a woman alone if she’s not interested in having a conversation with them. Oh the agony.
the men who do that shit are the ones who publicly support feminism. It makes an excellent shield for their otherwise unnacceptable actions. You may notice that most men that have a problem with feminism are actually extremely respectful to women in real life, even if they do occasionally lose their shit online. It's annoying being told your a creepy rapist all day just because you're a man, and that's the messaging young men get in today's society. I personally think it's child abuse. The men that need to hear the message of feminism are the same ones who will not listen, while the more sensitive thinkers like myself do listen and become self sabotaging.
It's complicated.
@Shamalien by that logic of "men that are respectful to women don't support feminism" why the fuck do incels not support feminism
@grega239 or, and here's a thought, women have to be on the receiving end of early sexualization, weird innuendos at work, and angry men when they don't want to have conversations with them, nearly every day! most of the time women don't "accuse" men of doing these things and genuinely take precaution and put their guard up around men because of how common these things are.
you earned that incredible downvote ratio you ignorant one sided small minded child
@grega239 what does that have to do with little girls trying to mind their own business while some creep comments on their ass because they wore leggings. female pop stars do not influence these men making comments on these girls, neither do they influence the girls receiving these comments. how illogical are you
I said finally being called out, cause I see so many guys acting like feminism ruined our society because they can no longer approach a woman or make a move on her, without being called a creep. FYI women were never okay with you hitting on them, if they’re not attracted to you, they just no longer loose their jobs by standing up for themselves. Or they talk about how feminism is the root of all evil, because women now are more likely to divorce their husbands, they are more likely to divorce THEIR ABUSIVE HUSBANDS, remember that we couldn’t have our own bank account in the fucking 70’s, so ofc they will stay with their psychotic cheating partners. It’s not because feminism turned them into whores, it just gave them the right to run away. I won’t argue any longer, cause most men are FULLY AWARE, of the injustice and the abuse that women faced, they just choose to ignore it, it’s not about fighting for the truth, but about winning.
Female pop stars dress inappropriately considering their audience empathy teenage girls. Said girls then copy their style , put it on the internet and voila , creepy shit ensues.
Yes I am aware of the injustice women faced.
You however seem to be totally ignorant of the shit men had to and still have to endure.
And the way you write implies that you think most men are like that. People like you are the reason men don't support feminism. It's built on lies and one sided facts not to mention how feminism is forcing it way into pretty much everything fr movies to video games.
If feminists want equality they should be shutting up and start pulling their weight
@grega239 did i ever imply most men are like that? learn some literacy before you get back to me. and if you actually look at the trends now, most of them are modest but y'all won't ever admit that. why are turtlenecks, high-waisted and loose fitting jeans, oversized sweaters, oversized t-shirts, and cardigans a trend right now? please stop putting the blame on women and maybe admit that early sexualization should be changed from the source, the creepy older men who harp on young women.
it was stupid of you to imply feminism does anything on the subject at all. feminism actually encourages sexualization of young women
@007kingifrit what?
feminists claim promiscuity is "empowering" thus they encourage the sexualization of young women
@007kingifrit FEMINISTS PROCLAIM THAT OWNING YOUR OWN BODY AND WEARING WHAT YOU WANT AND DOING WHAT YOU WANT IS EMPOWERING NOT BEING SEXUALIZED BY WEIRD OLD MEN LMAO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
first off healthy people don't seek power
and second they tell you to dress "how you want" but also proclaim being slutty is powerful... so surprise surprise young feminists dress slutty
now combine that with human nature that says men must look at slutty women aaaaaaand POOF feminism encourages old men to look at women
@007kingifrit if healthy people don't seek power why do men IN THIS COMMENT SECTION WHO HATE FEMINISM argue that men should be the dominant and women should be the submissive? so then it makes it seem as though men who don't support feminism are unhealthy, which isn't true, their just too caught up with gender norms to objectively see what human beings can do regardless of gender. when feminists say "empower" they are talking about taking power so that we can be regarded as equal to men.
and secondly, feminism promotes dressing how you want so that you can be happy, and promotes doing what you want with your own body so you can be happy, not being slutty. that's basic common sense. and CREEPY MEN could EXHIBIT SELF-CONTROL instead of harassing minors with very weird sexual innuendos. because it isn't minors who are the "sluts" as you so disgustingly called them. feminism encourages women to dress how they want regardless of men and encourages men to literally keep their dicks in their pants when women make themselves happy by wearing what they want.
and how stupid do you have to be to completely generalize a movement's fashion sense. my own mother, who is a feminist, dresses as modestly as possible because THAT'S WHAT MAKES HER HAPPY. it is not my job to educate you. please actually go read about feminism and what it stands for instead of trying to prove points with mindless words and reaching as hard as you can for a valid argument.
I am literate. That's why I said what I said.
I don't know why those thing are a trend now because I don't really care what people wear.
I admit nothing because it's not my problem or responsibility.
From the source? You mean parents who are responsible to watch over their kids and make sure they don't watch videos of ariana grande or cardi b shaking their asses and not allow them to copy such behavior.
And let's not dismiss the fact that women do it too, otherwise we would be hearing about all those female teachers and babysitters messing around with young boys.
Maybe instead of being hateful bigots , feminists should try and help women in a way that doesn't demonize men. But no, they start reeeeeeing if a man sits with his legs apart while pondering why men don't like feminism
@grega239 it is EXTREMELY common for older men to hit on younger woman, so much so that it's been romanticized through lolita concepts. it's not as common as a female to do that. and what i'm saying is, female pop stars have nothing to do with this. the trends that are happening now aren't even remotely related to the stuff ariana grande and cardi b wear, so please, string together another pointless argument so that common sense can prove it wrong.
@Asker please asker stop trying to change their minds, you’re just wasting your time. These kind of men don’t wanna believe the truth but what suits them. Funny how the same men who says women get undesirable after 30 are also the ones getting mad when they get called pedos lmao. They also get so mad about women being suspicious of women and call it misandrists but men themselves aren’t afraid to act like misandrists when it comes to threaten the guys that hit on their daughters and their sisters, or refusing to leave the women they care about alone with a man. Like we say: « not all men. but why were you alone with him?, is a national anthem »
@dali-chan agreed. they really act like toddlers in an argument; you can never win.
@Shamalien Agreed!
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In it's history, feminism has never been about "attaining equality." Here's a really brief breakdown about what feminism has been about, though:
First wave feminists. They were rich white women who used terrorism to undermine women's voting rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette
The overall effect of the suffragette militancy, however, was to set back the cause of women's suffrage. For women to gain the right to vote it was necessary to demonstrate that they had public opinion on their side, to build and consolidate a parliamentary majority in favour of women's suffrage and to persuade or pressure the government to introduce its own franchise reform. None of these objectives was achieved.
That was about women's suffrage, not "equality." And the suffragettes fucked that up, anyway. They actually hurt their own cause.
Second wave feminism was about women's legal workplace rights, especially following World War II, where men were overseas and women could be paid as cheap labor. It's the only time there's ever been a literal 'wage gap' in recent American culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism
Women's workplace and legal rights, not "equality." RIGHTS. NOT. "EQUALITY."
Third wave feminism is about "rape culture" and "the wage gap", which have both been debunked so many times, it's ridiculous.
Take your pick.
Third-wave is also about "patriarchy," but their definition for it is so nebulous, it doesn't even have one, not even from "feminist scholars." (I tried not to laugh while typing that.)
Fourth wave is about intersectionality and pretty much blaming all things on white males. It's also about trying to change definitions of terms, like the "new racism" being "power plus prejudice equals racism".
Fourth-wave is about whites, straight, CIS people, and men being "problematic" and bigoted in some way, including our next president, Donald Trump, for some reason.
Not a single one of these ideologies or their studies fit "the goal of achieving legal, economic, and social equality." And perhaps you missed the biggest thing of all: HOW do you objectively define "equality"? What is literally just one right men have that women do not in the West? I think the only way for the feminist view of "equality" to even be possible is through Communism. Of course, this isn't accounting the fact that men suffer 9:1 in comparison to women in the West. And they also get to vote without signing up for Selective Service, unlike men, who are required to do so. But yeah, they just want that "equality," huh?
TL;DR:
Feminism is bullshit, factually inaccurate, and left up to interpretation of feminists, not the world at large, nor is it about "equality" or ever has been, not in any of it's four waves, or proto-feminism before them. The term "equality" is a buzzword used by feminists and it's not even an accurate one because men have more inequality and social suffering in the West than women do.
Sixty Reasons why Modern Feminism is Complete Bullshit (There are more, but I limited it to just 60):
Women serve less jail time for the same crimes.
Women pay less for car insurance.
Women win law suit cases far more than men for the same suits.
Women are given a choice in abortion men are not.
Men have no reproductive rights.
Women will more likely win custody of children, or for that matter, basically any court decision.
Female prisons are vastly better quality and safer.
There are less women in prison.
Women can't be forcefully drafted into military service.
Women can't be forcefully sent into combat zones.
Men have to pass higher physical standards than women to enter any physically demanding job including the military, police, firemen, etc.
The vast majority of workplace deaths are men.
The vast majority of suicides are men by 4 times the amount than women.
Women report a high degree of happiness on average than men.
Men work more hours on average than women.
Women make up the majority of the workforce.
More women than men are college attendants.
Most college facilities funded by tuition benefit women more than men.
Even when accounting for the enrollment difference, colleges have to keep at the very least a 60/40 ratio on genders so many men are accepted late as to compensate for having too many women.
Despite there being more women in college there are vastly more female only scholarships that provide vastly more money.
More men choose to major in the math and sciences despite colleges trying to push more women into these fields and less men.
The wage gap does not exist when accounting for working hours and different jobs, despite men earning more on average than women.
Women spend more money than men, when not including the top 1% of wealth.
Men below the age of 30 earn less than women below 30.
Men make up the majority of the homeless and unemployed and yet women make up the majority of welfare recipients.
Teachers favor teaching girls over boys, causing boys to have lower general grades and happiness in school. Despite this boys on average score above girls in standardized tests like the SAT in the sections of math and science (see "The War On Boys").
Women are never expected to make the first move in either sex or starting a relationship or in advancing one.
Women are never expected to pay for anything in a relationship as dates, driving, rings, gifts, and etc. are paid by the man.
Women cheat more than men and yet men are depicted in media as the ones who cheat more.
Men are the victims of domestic abuse more than women and yet they are depicted by media as the abusers more often.
Women get special treatment socially, culturally, and legally for violence against them.
Men are expected to be the bread winner.
Women are often not expected to contribute or sacrifice anything to a relationship other than sex.
Women have a large number of help centers while men have none.
Female only gyms are abundant while male only are almost non existent and can be sued for discrimination.
Men are most often viewed as the bad guys in nearly all media.
Women are often depicted as empowered even to unrealistic degrees in media.
Women are rewarded and remembered for even minor contributions while men must make major ones for the same recognition.
Women have a much higher life expectancy.
Men pay more towards social security yet receive less of it than women.
Women are the majority of voters yet feminists still complain about the ratio of male politicians to female ones.
Fathers day is celebrated less and has less money spent on it than Mothers day.
Despite breast cancer and prostate cancer roughly killing the same number of people per year, breast cancer research receives around 90% more funding at an almost 2 to 1 ratio.
Men die more often from stress related illnesses.
Men can be forced to pay women money that they may or may not be used on a child that may or may not be theirs.
Women initiate the majority of divorces and receive the majority of their ex's money.
Often even after signing a pre-nup, a man must still pay this ex half his finances.
Roughly 10-30% of “fathers” are raising children who they are not aware aren't their own.
Men are the majority of rape victims (when using prison statistics), but men can't be LEGALLY raped by a woman without them using a penetration device.
Men are not given the right of consent.
Men are often "guilty until proven innocent" in cases of rape accusation.
Accused men are SOCIALLY considered rapists on the accusation of rape alone, even if they are later proven innocent.
Men have their identities exposed in cases of rape accusation while accusers do not.
Women face NO punishment for falsely accusing a man of rape.
Rape is used as an unofficial punishment against men in jail.
Women aren't arrested and jailed for selling sex to men but men are arrested and jailed for buying sex from women.
Male models and sex workers actually get paid less than females for the same work.
Male genital mutilation (circumcision) is common and treated as a joke while female genital mutilation is rare and seen as a serious matter.
Men are exposed to thousands of chemicals everyday that have drastically detrimental effects on their reproductive and physical health while women experience only a fraction of these effects.
Women have thousands of government-funded organizations defending them from sexism and men have none.
Read more:
https://old.reddit.com/r/randomshit/search?q=feminism&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all
i agree with a lot of your reasoning. it is scientifically and factually correct that women win more court cases, women get special legal treatment, and that women tend to be happier and portrayed better in the media than men are. however, i don't agree with some of your points.
1. Women are given a choice in abortion men are not.
2. Men have no reproductive rights.
why would men have a choice in abortion or reproductive rights when they aren't the ones birthing?
3. Female prisons are vastly better quality and safer.
there are only 1-2 female prisons in an entire state. most women get sent to a unisex prison along with men.
4. Men have to pass higher physical standards than women to enter any physically demanding job including the military, police, firemen, etc.
this is because biologically men are better at doing physical things than women are. to hold women at the same standard at what men are held to physically wouldn't be fair because our bodies are different.
5. The vast majority of workplace deaths are men.
men tend to choose more dangerous jobs than women do, proven by the U. S Bureau of Labor Statistics (construction jobs in ratio to men to women were 17.1:1, material transportation jobs in ration to men to women were 18.5:6.3, and those are the two most dangerous categories of labor).
6. Women make up the majority of the workforce.
what's the problem with women working in the workforce? they still get discriminated against.
7. More women than men are college attendants.
again, men tend to choose different jobs than women do and those jobs often don't require a college level education, while women tend to choose jobs that do.
8. Most college facilities funded by tuition benefit women more than men.
there is literally no evidence to support that claim.
9. Even when accounting for the enrollment difference, colleges have to keep at the very least a 60/40 ratio on genders so many men are accepted late as to compensate for having too many women.
let's look at the Ivy Leagues for a second and see if your claim is true. 5,020 males and 4,930 females attend Harvard. 2,971 males and 2,993 females attend Yale. 7,139 males and 8,043 females attend Cornell. 2,778 males and 2,650 females attend Princeton. 2,251 males and 2,167 females attend Dartmouth. 4,364 males and 3,852 females attend Columbia. the only school that has that something even close to that ratio is Cornell, with 47% being male and 53% being female.
10. More men choose to major in the math and sciences despite colleges trying to push more women into these fields and less men.
the point of colleges trying to push women into stem is to level the playing field and incorporate female talent into the predominantly male stem field.
11. Women spend more money than men, when not including the top 1% of wealth.
what does that have to do with. . . anything.
12. Men below the age of 30 earn less than women below 30.
this article doesn't really make your point look good https:// www. cnbc. com/2019/04/02/heres-how-much-men-and-women-earn-at-every-age. html
13. Teachers favor teaching girls over boys, causing boys to have lower general grades and happiness in school. Despite this boys on average score above girls in standardized tests like the SAT in the sections of math and science (see "The War On Boys").
there have been studies that completely contradict your claim. girls often score higher than boys on name-blind math tests, but once presented with recognizable boy and girl names on the same tests, teachers award higher scores to boys. (https://www. nber. org/papers/w20909), and through the works of Myra and David Sadker and Karen R. Zittleman it has been discovered that teachers tend to acknowledge girls but praise and encourage boys more.
14. Women cheat more than men and yet men are depicted in media as the ones who cheat more.
i'm not dumb. i can use a search engine you know. 20% of men have cheated and 13% of women have cheated in marital relationships.
15. Men are the victims of domestic abuse more than women and yet they are depicted by media as the abusers more often.
Nope. according to the Domestic Violence Hotline, 1 in 3 women are domestically abused as opposed to 1 in 4 men.
16. Women are rewarded and remembered for even minor contributions while men must make major ones for the same recognition.
ask any woman who works in the workforce and she'll tell you completely differently.
17. Men pay more towards social security yet receive less of it than women.
the point you mentioned literally above this point makes this point sound void. men live shorter than women do, yes they aren't going to get more social security than women if they die earlier.
18. Women are the majority of voters yet feminists still complain about the ratio of male politicians to female ones.
less women run for political races due to gender norms, many political studies have shown this.
19. Fathers day is celebrated less and has less money spent on it than Mothers day.
yes, because more fathers leave homes than mothers do.
20. Men can be forced to pay women money that they may or may not be used on a child that may or may not be theirs.
so can a woman.
21. Often even after signing a pre-nup, a man must still pay this ex half his finances.
Again, no sufficient evidence can be found to support that claim.
22. Roughly 10-30% of “fathers” are raising children who they are not aware aren't their own.
and roughly 20.2% of fathers leave.
23. Men are the majority of rape victims (when using prison statistics), but men can't be LEGALLY raped by a woman without them using a penetration device.
this is counterintuitive to the point you made about men being the majority in prison, and women have to abide by the same law as well but in relation to their positions.
24. Men are not given the right of consent.
they are.
25. Men are often "guilty until proven innocent" in cases of rape accusation.
26. Accused men are SOCIALLY considered rapists on the accusation of rape alone, even if they are later proven innocent.
27. Men have their identities exposed in cases of rape accusation while accusers do not.
28. Women face NO punishment for falsely accusing a man of rape.
rape accusation cases are extremely low, and the chances of getting convicted are very, very very rare. of 216 rape accusation, 6 led to arrest, and 2 led to actual charges (and anyway deemed as false).
29. Rape is used as an unofficial punishment against men in jail.
it is for women as well.
30. Women aren't arrested and jailed for selling sex to men but men are arrested and jailed for buying sex from women.
Yes, because pimping often leads to sex-trafficking and more extreme issues, and women are also arrested and jailed from being a prostitute (pornography does not equal prostitution or pimping)
31. Male models and sex workers actually get paid less than females for the same work.
yes, because female sex-workers end up getting more customers than male sex-workers do.
32. Male genital mutilation (circumcision) is common and treated as a joke while female genital mutilation is rare and seen as a serious matter.
Circumcision is definetly more common because it won't hurt fertility and is part of religions sometimes. however, female genitals are used to produce babies, and genital mutilation would literally take away her right to her natural right to reproduce. it is also seen as a curse in religions if a woman is infertile.
33. Men are exposed to thousands of chemicals everyday that have drastically detrimental effects on their reproductive and physical health while women experience only a fraction of these effects.
yes, because women have different effects that they face that men do not face.
34. Women have thousands of government-funded organizations defending them from sexism and men have none.
sexism has historically been perpetrated onto women, so yes there is bound to be groups that help women get over it.
> why would men have a choice in abortion or reproductive rights when they aren't the ones birthing?
Because they're fathers and their sperm is involved. This is "having your cake and eating it too." No one is even saying they should get equal or more rights than women (it would make sense women would have the majority of reproductive rights), but men literally have NONE. Not even 10% rights. And yet courts expect men to pay for children they have no rights to, anyway. And women expect men to "step up" and pay for their kids, but have no rights to said kids (especially if its not really his). How fucked up is that? And I don't even want to be a father, so I have no personal beliefs in the matter.
> there are only 1-2 female prisons in an entire state. most women get sent to a unisex prison along with men.
That doesn't change the fact they're given better treatment. It's irrelevant.
> this is because biologically men are better at doing physical things than women are.
And yet women will still bitch about the wage gap, when you yourself are admitting they are inferior a the job. Not that there's an actual wage gap, anyway. Feminists consider meritocracy sexist, though. In any case, if they can't do the job, they shouldn't be allowed in. Most people won't want some 110 lb woman (or man) trying to carry them out of a burning building.
> men tend to choose more dangerous jobs than women do, proven by the U. S Bureau of Labor Statistics
Again, this is true, but it's debunking the wage gap. I don't disagree with you.
> "what's the problem with women working in the workforce? they still get discriminated against."
Do you not see the bullshit in your argument here? It's like everything is men's fault, no matter what advantages women have.
> men tend to choose different jobs than women do and those jobs often don't require a college level education
This is irrelevant. Women complain about unfair advantages men have in society. I am giving you an unfair advantage. I never said it was women's or men's fault. Either way, this is more so to prove that women have more power and agency in society than the feminist narratives paints. As in, there is no "patriarchy" going on to hold them back.
> there is literally no evidence to support that claim.
No, you just don't feel like looking it up. I'm not going to do your research for you, as we have character limits on here, and half the time, people will dismiss the sources or links, anyway.
> let's look at the Ivy Leagues
Why are you cherry-picking Ivy Leagues? Nobody gives a shit about that and it's not relevant to the overall claim, anyway.
> the point of colleges trying to push women into stem is to level the playing field
You're literally arguing against your own "men choose their fields" argument! I can't respect hypocritical horseshit like this. When it's men, they have agency. When it's women, "they need help." By your earlier argument (which I agree with), "there is nothing to level."
> what does that have to do with anything
It means women dictate the economy, genius. Which means, they have a lot of power. This not only debunks the Pink Tax, but it also means the world basically revolves around women.
> this article doesn't really make your point look good
Don't give a fuck what one article from a left-leaning website says.
> i'm not dumb. i can use a search engine you know.
You are dumb if you think one search, along with your own confirmation bias, disproves anything. In the original post I wrote this on, there were hyperlinks. But G@g doesn't allow that and has character limits. Either way, trying to show links isn't an effective strategy anyway, because there will usually be bias there (either your bias or mine) and nothing will be solved. Numbers and statistics are usually biased when used to persuade an argument. (I use them though, because people think I'm making stuff up, but I don't rely on them to change anyone's mind.)
> 1 in 3 women are domestically abused as opposed to 1 in 4 men.
This bullshit claim was debunked a long time ago. Do you seriously think 33% of all women have been abused? Use some common sense, here.
> men live shorter than women do, yes they aren't going to get more social security than women if they die earlier.
That's not what that means, and you know it. They are referring to benefits.
> less women run for political races due to gender norms
Yeah, I agree, so why do feminists still bitch about "wanting more women in politics?" As if having more vaginas changes legislation and policy. As if gender matters to how corrupt you can be in Washington. As proven these last two months in America, politicians do not give a single fuck about civilians, anyway.
> because more fathers leave homes than mothers do.
Points back to your 'argument' about men not having any reproductive rights or say-so in their children. And then ask yourself why more fathers leave home than mothers do. Either way, you're excusing more gender inequality. (Not that I care, but feminists are the ones who whine about inequality in society.)
> so can a woman.
Disingenuous bullshit. How often does that EVER happen? Especially with the courts rigged in women's favor?
> sufficient evidence can be found to support that claim.
No, you just don't feel like finding it.
> and roughly 20.2% of fathers leave.
And again, you're side-stepping the cause for this: men getting fucked over in court by am unfair system. In fact, there's a reason "cucks" are given no respect in society. What self-respecting man would want to financially support an unfaithful woman and a child that isn't his?
> this is counterintuitive to the point you made about men being the majority in prison
Who gives a fuck? I don't put "priority" over rape victims, not do I respect people who do. You're basically trivializing rape that happens to men. Either way, this doesn't disprove the main point in that men are raped almost equally as much as women are. (And no, I don't care "if it's mostly men doing the raping.")
> they are.
NO, THEY AREN'T. How many women are convicted of raping men? Even female statutory rapists, like teachers sleeping with their students, get a slap on the wrist compared to men. There are so many laws where they use "drunk rape" as a lack of consent, but only against intoxicated women (which isn't a thing and is MASSIVE bullshit, because we convict drunk drivers, so you don't get a "get our of responsibility" pass for being a drunk female; sleeping with a drunk chick isn't "rape", especially if both parties are drunk).
> rape accusation cases are extremely low,
Again, more disingenuous bullshit from you, because there aren't enough numbers to make a case, one way or the other. You're making shit up. That's not the point anyway. the point is HOW FUCKED UP it is women can get away with destroying a man's life on a lie, and serve no punishment whatsoever for it.
"because pimping often leads to sex-trafficking..."
More bullshit, excuses, pussy passes, blah, blah, blah... "Women have no agency, unless they're disadvantaged over men." That's what all these arguments come down to. The predictable, lame Selective Feminism trope I've seen a million times before. Like women who like to say "men should always pay for women on dates because the wage gap exists." You're a bad faith arguer.
> "yes, because female sex-workers end up getting more customers than male sex-workers do"
Congrats. You've solved the wage gap! Now apply that to society at large and you'll see why we don't need feminism! It's for lazy, talentless, unintelligent women who want to use their Pussy Pass to get to the top, because it has a better chance of working than not.
> "however, female genitals are used to produce babies, and..."
> "yes, because women have different effects that they face that men do not face."
More "it's okay because a woman isn't being affected" bullshit. And you wonder why nobody respects feminists. (I don't know if you are or not, but you sure do seem to ignore male suffering and over-dramatize female "suffering" like one.)
> "sexism has historically been perpetrated onto women"
And here we go. "Mah sexism." The biggest bullshit thing you've said yet. Something that doesn't exist, and never did. POOR people were always treated like shit, yes, both of the male and female side, but women have never been "oppressed" in Western society. This isn't Saudi Arabia.
Thank you for cherry-picking my points, ignoring the ones that don't fit your agenda, and over-empathizing the ones that "hurt women."
I'm not sure if you ever argued for "equality" in this whole thing, but I sincerely hope you're not that hypocritical after this whole "You make good points, but lemme try to do mental gymnastics to debunk them anyway" diatribe.
Everything you said can be boiled down to "Men bad, women good. Men powerful, women weak." And I'm not even sure you're a feminist or not. You're just so one-sided and dismissive of men as a whole, I'll assume you are.
Thank you for showing the world why men (and most women) hate feminism.
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this entire reply you've been accusing me of not doing research when i literally spent a full hour researching each of your claims because i never heard of these before. the 32 i responded to are the ones that can factually be proven as incorrect. if you're so against looking at websites to get valid information, that shows your complete unwillingness to acknowledge facts that don't support your argument. i completely agree that the wage gap exists for reasons that are not sexist, and i agree that the court system is skewed towards women's favor, but what i don't agree with is your baseless claims about education, biology, rape cases, rape accusations, and things that constitute "male suffering." like i said, the other 28 points you made are true and i agree with them. i researched these 28 claims and they are TRUE. i am not saying that male suffering does not exist, and i am not a feminist (i'm a humanist, which is actually for equality), however the 32 points i have chosen can be proven wrong with studies, science, statistics and sociology. if you're so quick to dismiss me as a feminist because i don't agree with your some of your points i could say the same about you. your refusal to acknowledge any of my points like i have acknowledged the other 28 you've made shows that you are an unchanging misogynist.
please show some more respect to me next time. you don't have to get so defensive that you start name-calling.
@Asker
I said time and time again that just because you don't feel like looking them up, or couldn't find them in five seconds of Googling, and then going "I couldn't find anything to debunk your claims, so they must be factually incorrect" doesn't mean a single thing. This website is not designed for academic research, or giving you 7 different links for each point I made. There are character limits here.
@Asker
Regardless, all you did was use mental gymnastics to (poorly) try to disprove or debunk every single thing I said. You can't go "I am not saying that male suffering does not exist" and then scoff at every example I give you. And the thing is, as a male, I am not even asking for sympathy or victimhood. I am merely SHOWING you all of the things here. So you going, "Well, whatever. Women still have it worse" for every single one of them, is logically, going to make me think you only care about women and dismiss all male claims here, especially with some of the infuriating things you said. You dismissed everything I put here as if you already decided they were untrue.
As I said though, it doesn't matter. The question is one stated on opinion. And even if not taken at face value (since you don't seem to believe any of them or think men suffer in society, despite your claims now), there are a ton of these prove why feminism is not necessary or why it's an affront to society, as it blatantly dismisses male issues and over-dramatizes female issues.
@Asker
"your complete unwillingness to acknowledge facts that don't support your argument."
Like the nine or so replies you sent to me of mental gymnastics. I don't need to prove anything to you, nor was I trying to. This wasn't a research paper (I wrote this on Reddit a while ago.) I merely stated WHY men hate feminism, and laid out all the reasons to support THAT.
I could've just as easily given you a more emotional response that would've been 1,400+ words of why *I* think it's shitty, dangerous, negative movement that spreads hate to men and women equally (envious hatred of men, and self-loathing hatred of women). Me giving you a more pragmatic response you can try to poke holes in to support your "sexism onto women" claim you made before isn't even necessary for an opinion on "WHY MEN HATE FEMINISM."
I added a link to the end of my original post. THAT'S just a fraction of the stuff I've written on this topic. I studied it extensively in college and the more I found, the less and less neutral I became. Because it really is a horrible, misandrist movement, and pretty much always has been. But I gave second wave the benefit there because it was beneficial to society, unlike the rest.
I don't like arguing though, so I'll end with a compromise: I'm egalitarian and want equal opportunities for both men and women. Not the feminist clam of "equality" or even equity, but for everyone to have a fair chance, as much as they can in a free society. And I loathe a movement that does nothing but tear down and destroy men whose role in humanity is basically to sacrifice for women and children, and to make women hate themselves because they weren't born as men. That's all I've mostly ever seen from feminism, aside from second wave. But it is not needed anywhere in society, and I don't want it spreading anymore hate and negativity in the world.
i would also like to point out that instead of responding to my FACTUAL arguments with FACTS you respond with calling it "disingenuous bullshit" and then project your own opinions on women and try to excuse your lack of evidence with character limits. there is no EVIDENCE that female prisons have better treatment, the women benefit more from college facilities (gyms are used more by men, male bathrooms get more funding due to urinals, the college campus itself is used by both men and women), that college ratios are 60/40 women/men, that women "dictate the economy" (then why mostly are men the ceos of stereotypically female oriented things, like fashion and beauty), that women earn more than men in ANY stage of their life (once again i'm saying this because of career choices not sexism), that women cheat more, that men get domestically abused more, that "a man must still pay this ex half his finances", that false rape accusations occur as much as men play it up to be (statistically shown it is EXTREMELY rare), or that men get raped as much as women do (prison majority doesn't work because the majority of men are in prison and the men in prison are the majority gender, why would women get raped more if they are the minority in prison according to probability. majority of rape cases are perpetrated by men and there's evidence to show it).
** majority of men AREN'T in prison sorry for the mistake
and you brushing me off and saying that i don't agree with ANY of your points is wrong. again, the 28 i did not respond to are the points i AGREE WITH. just because i don't agree with some of your points does not mean i am against everything you say, you seem to be the one projecting your emotions here.
@Asker
They weren't facts, so there was nothing to respond to "using facts." You gave me two links, which aren't "facts" anyway.
As I already told you, I am not trying to spend all night typing a research paper to you on an opinionated post asking why men hate feminism (I've typed plenty of papers on feminism, both in college, and on Reddit for fun, hence the original link.) And I told you, you poking holes in everything I said doesn't convince me to throw more at you for you to needlessly poke holes in, either.
I TOLD you to look at the Reddit link if you wanted "sources." Here's two pages, here. If it's not enough data for you, oh well.
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you can't give me "reasons why modern feminism is bullshit" while not providing any substance to back-up your claims, and your reddit pages reek of misinformation. it's frustrating to talk to you, and i'm done responding, since you can't ever acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, you're wrong.
I like feminism to a extent. Women being empowered is good by all means. I think all women should be able to do as they please, however the world itself won't allow that not because of just men but some women as well. Rape and rapist will always exist, which is why a lot of non rapist till you to watch what you wear, what time of day you walk around, and what places you go to. I feel like a lot of feminist today have a problem with a lot of things that don't need to be a problem. Ex: the wage gap. Yes it exist we all know this, however in NBA Vs. WNBA there is a reason for it. Number one, sports is at its best a business along with a investment. Depending on how long and how much money you put into a investment will you also tell you how much your gonna get out. Not to many people pay attention to the WNBA, not because there women but simply because a lot of people don't find them entertaining and that's not the crowd's fault, it's theirs. 2nd the WNBA hasn't been around for nearly as long as the NBA so it will take time for it to even be close to the NBA in terms of net worth. I have seen a lot of women used the i am a girl so you can't hit me card on a lot of men before. ( not saying all women are like this but some are) For those that do, if you want equal rights, then you should also be able to take a hit if you give one out. However a lot of feminist tend to disagree with this, not all but some. I feel like a lot of feminist want women to go into male owned fields that are already doing just fine on there own, which is what makes me upset. Why not try empowering the women that choose there own field, why not empower women to make a new field, why not empower women to choose a job that they will enjoy instead of pushing women into area's that they may not like. Men and women sexualize each other on a daily basic's however women are less likely to get caught cause we men are pretty dense sometimes. So in short ladies if you ever look at a play boy magazine, or ever drooled over a vampire or some dude, then you are indeed doing what men have been doing for years and that's sexualizing. Women are amazing people, and I simply wish the best for them. However ladies you shouldn't say men hate feminism cause then your generalizing and that's wrong, instead say some. Some women are pieces of shit and some men deserve to rot in hell. Rapist are bad and any decent person with medium morals will say the same thing. Both sex's need to work together to be better in order to survive. This world wasn't build by one or the other, but in fact it was build together. Women played there role, just like men did. Men did the physical part while women made sure the mental part was also good. Men for the most part, not all but mostly, we tend to be more of as long as it works and keeps me going regardless of how it looks, while women mostly tend to be more the I want to make it look prettier or better.
hold on, i actually agree with the majority of your post but the "women should go into their own fields" thing is really concerning. the only female dominated fields are porn, healthcare, education, non-profit, human resource, and costumer services. if all women became pornstars, doctors, teachers, charity organizers, human resources specialists, and anything related to costumer services, the economy would crash from the surplus in these jobs and the lessening of other jobs which hold up the economy.
Like i said, why not make new jobs for themselves then. Make a new field, i imagine a vast majority of you are pretty smart so why not do what a lot of other men did? Make a new field of study. Why should men have to move aside for something that they enjoy just so you can be a part of it? Now if it's politics then it's different, if she's smart, capable, and a good person who actually does what she say's then by all means go for it. If not then stay out
so you expect women to just concoct another field that does not exist already out of thin air and then collectively migrate to it causing the economy to crash through the majority of the workforce leaving their seats at companies because of this "one field that women made"
I never said all women tho, i said some. The ones that are promoting other women to do things they are unhappy with, they should be the ones to make a new field so they can find there own happiness. Like i said earlier, if she is happy and good at that said job then she should be promoted for that said job
but you can't just. . . generate a new field?
Well that's what the cave men did, thats what a lot of other people that were men did. Thats what science is about. Thats what technology is about. It's about creating them stuff so that means you just need to be more creative, yea it may take some time but it can be done if you want to
@jasco do you realize. . . it took centuries. . . for men to do that. . .
Your statement does not make any sense. Who are you the language police? We are allowed to hold views and express them publicly even if you yourself find them personally despicable. It's called freedom of speech. No body is saying all woman need to be in those feilds. We advocate for underprivileged men and boys that is all. Other jobs not normally done by woman are usually performed by men anyway. Let go of your feminist dogma or your society will implode.
I would like to start off by saying there are two types of feminist. There's the type of feminist that fight for social equality within the government, workspaces, and equal credit and pay. I don't have a problem with them. In fact, I love the work they do and truly do believe more women should be given those things. However, the other type of feminist is toxic in victimizing themselves in any situation they see benefit towards biased double standards, even if it means constantly contradicting themselves. Also, they can't express themselves without the need to downplay the intelligence of all men and antagonizing them as "evil by nature." As you can imagine, I hate this side in particular.
This is where your typical Karen originates from. The woman who sued the lifeguard for touching her when she was on the verge of drowning also, most likely, originates from this toxic feminism. Amber Heard, lying in court and taking advantage of not only the #MeToo movement but also the court's leniency towards women, has gotten away with physical assault and abuse because of so, painting the man as the inherent wife-beater and abuser while still keeping her job with substantial evidence still against her.
Women from this category need to learn that not all men think the same. The reason why so many of these women have came across men like that is because women by nature operate emotionally and not logically. Logically, they should avoid most of the men they encounter. But, that's boring to them. But, emotionally, it's a drive for them. It's an attraction towards these type of men that women can't explain, and it only limits their perspective for all the other good men that exist in this world. This toxic side of feminism is nothing but an emotional breakdown in an attempt to always find comfort in playing the role of the victim, especially as a woman. Whereas a man would not get away with such an act.
Well lets see, it claims that all men are pure evil (the only conclusion that can be drawn when they claim that men oppressed women for all of history (factually incorrect of course, but the claim is made anyway), that we are to blame for literally everything (women blame us for their "suffering", then when men point out all the suffering they have, women say its because of men that they are suffering i. e. feminists never take responsibility for what women do, its always on men never on women, never on biology, no matter what happens blame all men), they have radically altered laws so that they openly discriminate against men (custody laws, paternity laws etc.), they claim they are the ones oppressed despite the fact that not only do women have more rights then men, but statistically men are suffering in all catagories and women are not.
Besides which how can you like an ideology that says half the population is pure evil, that your pure evil and glorifies demonizing men, glorifes not contributing anything in a relationship (men have to be traditional but a man expecting a woman to be traditional is "sexist". They even glorify cuckolding and cheating.), glorifies aborting male offspring, punishes men who try to talk about mens issues (feminist made a bomb threat at a convention that was discussing male suicide (80% of suicides are male), for example). Also not only are they hateful and rampantly sexist, they are also entirely wrong and don't understand biology and history (or intentionally ignore it).
So yeah, thats why.
Don't hate feminism. Why I'm generally against it is that it falsely presents itself as being for equality when it's really about making men subservient to women on every level.
It focuses on "equality" by way of exclusively focusing on areas of female disadvantage under the premise that females are fundamentally at disadvantage to men in society and that the one true way to reach this equality is knocking down male advantage, while ignoring areas of female advantage.
The flawed premise artificially makes men and institutions built by men enemies to Feminists and the truth is most don't even believe. They want to use it as a tool to gain advantages in day to day life.
When's the last time you heard a feminist discussing a male rights issue?
You might say that's for men to do and not females. And you might be right. But a movement that disregards this can't claim to be for equality when it ignores inequality that doesn't favor it's bias.
Oftentimes when a male rights issue is presented a feminist will combat it by either disregarding it, downplaying it, playing "what about" ism to make it about a female issue rather than just facing a legitimate male rights issue.
I often disregard the opinion of a feminist unless she has a brother/father of which she has a good relationship with. Because sadly for most women without that they are fundamentally incapable of looking at things from a man's perspective with any genuine concern or curiosity without trying to make it about them.
I think one of the main reasons both genders want to impress the other one. Both genders are ying and yang. One can´t ying (females) without changing yang (males). The most part of feminism, aren´t necessarily fem-nazis, but are those females who declare with feminism they could regulate men´s role in the society as well. Meaning they (females) think they could find out the best role for us guys as well because with feminism being so good and powerful they could strip off all "toxic masculinity". That´s a problem because it takes us, guys, out of the equation. If girls are so smart and if they can do all that, they don´t need guys, they don´t men. The problem what we guys have, is that we see women around us change, we see school and job systems change so that females are getting better in it, while we guys don´t have a solution how to act. We learned that in court, it´s more plausibel that a woman is being believed if she accuses a man of abuse or harrassment even though it might not be true. So we guys change, too.
We step back and let females act because we don´t what to do, what is appropriate in such a situation and what isn´t? Girls say they can do it, too, so let them make the first move in dating. I don´t hate feminism it just leaves unsure to some point about my manhood and the role of men in future society. The problem is that being a guy can be hard these days because I feel like everyone´s talking about "toxic masculinity" like it´s the fundamental problem in the world and everything that´s female is the solution.
Because feminists chose to lie to achieve their goal.
They lie about :
History- there was no male oppression.
Everyone suffered. You can say that men held more power but they also had greater responsibility. That means if a man is responsible for providing and protecting, he must have the power to tell his wife to stay in the house.
Male privilege. Suicide, war, workplace and homicide. Majority male victims.
Construction, garbage collection, sewege and water maintenance, upkeep of the electrical grid , manufacturing, transportation etc. Majority male.
So men have the privilege of making sure that society doesn't stop. Okay...
Feminists also bring up voting rights a lot and how men got it earlier.
Well men got it earlier because men had to go to war for it. That means that women have the privilege to vote. Because you can't have a right without a reciprocal obligation.
Women and children first, chivalry, violence against women is universally condemned.
Basically my problem with feminism is that it claims women are oppressed , that men are just given stuff and how we hate them and how privileged we are , despite the inarguable fact that society has always valued the life of a woman over the life of a man.
Feminism and feminists can all go fuck themselves. They are female supremacist.
Not sure why we are having to go over this again, its a pretty flogged horse at this point.
But lets look at your question: You are only asking why men have a problem with feminism as though only males could have a problem with it, this is simply not the case and demonstrates pretty clearly that you are a sexist and as such why shouldn't I, as an advocate of equal rights have a problem with you?
You also use the word hate which is a very strong word and one not carelessly chosen i think, the choice is very deliberate and politically motivated, you want to portray anyone who is critical of what feminism now is as being a viscious hate monger, this certainly isn't my position not is it a position which i can recall seeing, certainly it is not at all representative of the people, male or female who have a problem with feminists.
The view is generally one of eye rolling disappointment or frustration that someone who clearly wants to be doing the right thing is incapable of actually working out right and wrong for themselves.
The term feminist/ism has been hijacked, past tense, sailed ship, in the rear view mirror and thats fine, just let it go because it doesn't matter, if you are a proponent of equal rights you dont need the term, you can just talk about equal rights and by the way we haven't been looking at inequality solely between genders for quite some time, certainly longer than you have been alive for assuming your age range is accurate.
What we are now striving for / the expectation is that all people regardless of their race, gender, orientation or ability are not discriminated against.
So perhaps you could progress into the millenium which you were born into and start behaving in a manner appropriate to it?
My mom was telling people they cannot treat her less because she is a women back in eastern Europe when others were busy with communism. And even in the nineties other women were shaming her that she's into female equality because noone needs her. Now people in eastern Europe think that the west is wealthy because their political system or culture (while it is only because US was helping that part of Europe after ww2) and try to copy them and women who were shaming feminists in the 90s are calling themselves feminist now. As a half Asian the last thing I'd fight is racism against Asians. Because I wanna find a cause that is bigger than me and don't wanna do it out of self interest. I can't see that most feminists care about causes and principles they just fight for self-interest. Most of them would sell out feminism with no hesitation if they received an offer for it. I mean everyone has self interest, but joining a movement for that is just fucking stupid, buy a rice cooker and your life will improve more than by what feminism ever achieved. And last but not least feminism is really incompetent. They fight for having more female musicians in jazz festivals or female sushi chefs or same salary for tennis players who already earn shit load of money, while roads are not safe enough for female cyclists or travel around the world like I do, or not to give a fuck who I'm going to home with. You ever roamed alone in the city? Why feminism doesn't care about that stuff? Cus it is an industry and they don't care about you.
I could give a couple of results.
1. Not all but few mask their hatred for men under the hood of feminism.
2. People are just bad or good some has abused her maybe, but same happens to men as well they don't say those things.
3. Women are no good than men lol but they want to show differently, leave a man in a roomful of feminists and see the results how will he be treated even if he would have treated women right but still he would be chewed of.
4. And women undermine women who want to housewives lol bc they think they are threat for the movement.
They put a movement b4 any other women and her choice to be something she wanted i have seen the glares and the hatred they have for people who wanted to be housewives or caretakers.
Most feminists look women with despise it's about power.
5. They use the word like rape and rapists so easily without even thinking just to insult guys, but does they know that they could be blaming an innocent guy, just bc a guy didnot agree with few feminists points who would deemed as rapists lots of feminists do that.
6. If this was for equality why the name had to be given as feminism and not some gender neutral name.
7. Show me a feminist, who will respect a man and there points if they even saw a little bit logic in his views.
8. You can see men supporting feminist groups but are they appreciated? Maybe rarely
Reasons not resukts*
Haha so you think feminism is devilish 😂😂😂😂😂
Why? 1st understand i don't hate women. I have a grandma, 2x moms, 8x sisters and a niece. How could I?
I mean I understand how it came to be a thing back in the 1910s and I admit it did a lot of good. Back then it did.
Feminism destroyed the nuclear family.
When women decided they where no longer different than men and could have it all. Part of me dosnt even blame women so much as men and society for not holding women accountable.
Being redpilled I learned a lot 1 thing being female nature, I mean you cannot hate someone for something that is pretty much unconscious. What I hate is the entitlement society doted on women, the courts, the laws being biased towards women.
I resent the screwed sexual market place, I resent all the rampant misandry from Hollywood to a Feminist reddit page.
Feminism led to many men being feminized, lot of man shaming going on. You can believe in equality all you want but equality without equal responsibility is not equality its entitlement.
Women have also suffered much because of Feminism, you cannot have it all. Men where made for women and women for men. No in between.
Neither is better and we're not equal. We're different. Understanding those differences reveals our dependence on each other.
At 1 time society was sexist to women. Today it is sexist towards men. 1 day perhaps the ground will level out and the world will be a better place but it'll take a lot of convincing because men are not signing up for this b. s
1. The current "ideology" is as far from original feminism as national socialism is from socialism. Those who keep using that name are an affront to all that is right and just.
2. Modern feminazism is nothing more than an anti men hate cult.
3. While feminism encouraged empowerment, self-actualization, self-improvement, self-confidents and so on, modern feminazism encourages pathetic self-victimization for the most pathetic kind of garbage.
4. The worse: modern "feminists" are so pathetically insecure that they must lie to themselves and others, preteding that every man in their radius wants to sexually abuse them (verbally and/or physically). They hate their bodies so much and consider themselves to be so worthless that creating a made up dream world in which all men want to rape them is their only way of feeling sexually attractive. How sad is that?
5. Modern "feminism" supports all kinds of discrimination against men (especially in family courts), but whines to high heaven if anyone says a trans woman (biological man) should not be able to beat up women in a boxing contest. Hypocrisy, dishonesty and plain cruelty.
So, in summary, what used to be feminism is now a cultural cancer and a blight on society.
Well... Feminism can be really unfair, telling they understand men and want our good but they only project feminity onto men like it's who we are. Feminism is addressing some serious issues to which I agree but most feminist don't see how unfair they can be to men on the same topic.
Feminism is only for the interest of women so when equality doesn't go in their favor, they're blind. No accountability most part of the time.
Women have a huge social advantage and they want more.
Me too is great but also really stupid when mixed to cancel culture. Go ahead and call on your rapist, help police sending them to jail. But if there is no proof, it's risking a potential innocent life to waste his life and if we found out he's not guilty, there is no accountability meaning a woman have nothing to lose doing that. Now system has his own problems finding out rapist and should improve on that. And I'm not encouraging rape but if everytime a woman says "that dude raped me" he's sentenced to jail, it becomes very dangerous.
Anyway, feminism is doing good sometimes, really. But between the extreme feminism, cancel culture and the SJW, there is tons of problems.
More than 65 genders? Like pls. When you don't agree on one thing you're targeted, threaten to death like wtf
First of all, there is a very important distinction between what feminism is and what it is supposed to be. If feminism were actually what it is supposed to be, men would not hate it. We would support it wholeheartedly because we support equal opportunity and fairness. Pretty much everyone does.
But feminism has not been what it claims to be for decades. There are so many problems with modern feminism that it's hard to know where to begin. Suffice to say that the movement today is dishonest, toxic and divisive. It drives a wedge between men and women that has created an ever widening divide that will take generation to repair, if that's possible at all. Today's feminism does far more harm than good to both sexes.
When I hear women say something like "how can you not support feminism when it gave women the right to vote and work?", I want to tell that that you are NOT supporting the same movement if you support feminism today. I want to ask them to give me a list of the good things feminism has done in the last decade and compare it to the long list of bad things it has done during the same period, and then tell me if they still support it.
First off I don't hate feminism I respect it but don't forget guys are human to so you need to look at it from there perspective
So picture this you had a tiring day at work you just want to go home sit on the couch and relax your husband texted you when you were working and you never responded you got home ready to sit on the couch but your husband sayed "how come you didn't text me back" you tell him you were working late but he doesn't believe you he beats you you call the police his ass go to prison for assault (yes this is how it normally goes but what if it was reversed)
Now for the other perspective your husband had a tiring day at work he just wants to go home sit on the couch and relax on the couch but you had texted him when he was working and he never responded so once he gets home he was ready to sit down on the couch but then you say "why haven't you responded to my texts were you were" he tells you he is working late but you don't believe him you start to beating him to the point when he is calling the police for assault now there are 2 senariors the 1st one is the cops could say you probably deserved it and the 2nd one is you could make up a bullshit story and he will be the one going to jail even though he was the one assaulted
So what I'm basically saying is that y'all (females) want to have the same rights and powers as guys but yet there is nothing protecting guys if y'all (females) over use that power you have that was design to protect you not give you a weapon to use at any given moment
They have always wanted power. They have just successfully convinced the state to give it to them for the past 50 years. President Johnson gave the feminists the education system back in the 1960s. Everyone from Gen X on fown has bren hiven a thoroughly feminist education and as a result has been feminized.
Because they aren't really trying to get equality, they want matriarchy, if it made men and women equal then I'd be all for it, but I hear things like the "anti-manspreading chair" all the time which is a chair that makes men unable to "man spread" but promotes females to "man spread". and the topic of "man-spreading" in general, I physically have an immovable object in between my legs, and having my legs slightly apart is to not crush it, I don't know why they get so mad about it. if they really wanted female and male equality I would be out there on the streets holding my sign, but it isn't pro-equality as I said, what they want is matriarchy.
Because it is and always has been a strategy for the destruction of the family unit, and it's working way too well. It tells women they are basically men with tits and vaginas, which is NOT true at all, women are VERY different from men and we should be embracing, not shaming these differences. I see a world where feminine women feel like they are not living up to their potential if they don't compete with men, and good men become too self conscious to ever make a move because they are worried about making women uncomfortable. The sensitive guys get their heads fucked by this propaganda as kids in school, and the asshole guys don't listen anyway, so they continue to be assholes. This feminist messaging doesn't help anyone but the government, they are stacking the double tax revenue and laughing all the way to the bank while we deal with all the issues of broken families and internal conflict.
In my experience only some men are against it. And those men are usually old-fashioned and thinks women should stay at home and care for kids and household. But if feminist got their way, those men would be stuck at home while the women explore the world, and they just can't accept that thought. Simply put, some men regards women as property rather than as a partner, and they need to be dominant to keep it that way.
I hope my answer wasn't to complicated. ^^
I should also say, that I'm neither against nor for feminists, because there's one type of feminists who blames men for everything, literally. And I don't think that's really fair, but I do approve of feminists who fight for equality between men and women.
I don't.
I am actually a feminist in the true belief females deserve equal rights and opportunities as men and that we are all equal.

The ones who are unfortunately causing a bad reputation of the name are Radical Feminism where their idealism changed completely into a militant idealism and it became more of a fight of being the stronger gender, they refuse to believe any guys are capable of being kind towards girls and constantly blame every guy saying this is oppression when the guy is just a ordinary citizen who has never met them before.
So obviously when a guy hears a person say they are a feminist, they get worried because it has become a term that has been tainted by the Radical Feminists unfortunately :(
Wonder if you expected so many guys to be supporting Feminism, I am looking through the comments and there are a lot of people who explain the same problem, they support real feminism but the actions being performed at the moment are not in line with the actual terminology of feminism.
I loved reading how there were guys saying how they were all for equality, maybe this can show girls how guys feel.
Because it's stupid. Because it's not needed. Because they have no clue what they are even fighting against. Because they aren't pro-women, they are anti-women.
Even most women are against it for the same reasons.
I lived through so-called second wave feminism, and that was just as stupid, and was hated just as much by women. Hippie chicks back in the day might have been very liberal at the time, but they laughed at all the silly feminist nonsense. 60s and 70s feminism was a side show and a joke.
I seriously can't figure out how it became a thing again. I suppose it's the typical liberal machine that thrives on stirring up trouble. If they can't find anything worthwhile, they start making things up to satisfy their need to stir things up.
It's not Feminism, it's Feminists. When I say "Feminists," I really do mean most of them. Bad experiences with Feminists happen all the time. They're just so fucking unpleasant. It happens on a dime, you literally have no idea what's going to trigger them, and this is true for a solid 80% of them (male or female).
I was a passionate Feminist for a long time, but I started to recognize the constant attitude, indignation, doubt, and accusations I was getting from women and I got tired of it. It was just too much. I can't tell you how offensive it is, as a rape victim, to have women just automatically assume that I'm going to hurt them. It's also horrible to have obnoxious, angry, short-tempered women get up in your face and call you a rapist-enabling chauvinist pig because you want verify that a guy actually raped the woman accusing him before throwing him in jail.
i would like to encourage you to read this study: https:// journals. sagepub. com/doi/10.1177/1077801210387749 (remove the spaces to get to the website)
8-10% of women actually report their sexual assault, the other 90% don't. of that 8-10%, only 5% come out as a false rape accusation, and nobody gets convicted. this boils down your chances to less than 0.5% of getting wrongfully accused of rape. that means that about 99.5% of the time, no false rape accusations are made.
https://webarchive. nationalarchives. gov. uk/20100408125722/http://www. homeoffice. gov. uk/rds/pdfs05/hors293. pdf
this study also shows that only 216 cases came up as false rape accusations, 6 led to arrest, and 2 led to actual charges (and anyway deemed as false).
i'm not for feminism either, but that argument of "false rape accusation" is so tired and innacurate.
Those numbers are misleading, because there can be real social/life damage of a false accusation without ever taking the accusation to a court of law. And anyway, I wasn't making an argument of false rape accusations. I was making an argument that we should follow due process in handling allegations of sexual assault. Particularly where universities and such are concerned. Many universities will expel men accused of sexual assault as a reflexive thing, regardless of whether or not you actually performed the assault. You don't need to be legally convicted of sexual assault to have your life destroyed by it.
Sorry but sex assaults has nothing to do with feminists. Not in the way you asked your question. I hate ignorant stupid people equally, male or female. Feminists feminism is a broad subject. Then you just took sex assault and threw it in. Please rephrase your question specifically as to how sex assault is related to feminism/feminists. Feminism is entirely different. One such definition ,, feminism, one who cares to be or promotes being feminine.
@winterfox10 and what i'm saying is false sexual assault is EXTREMELY RARE. like I said before, 99.5% of the time no harm is done,
@AlexAndriatg111 it wasn't related to the question at ALL, i don't know why this person added it into their response. however, one of the merriam webster definitions of feminism is "organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests." that's what i'm talking about here, it isn't promoting being feminine
I think modern day feminism most guys (myself included) do not like or agree with. It’s the total opposite of what the root of feminism is (which I am totally for!) modern day feminazies hate men, think they are a problem, hold huge double standards (it’s ok for me to slap him for being rude but how dare he do it to me) and seem to be more misandrists. I’m not behind modern feminism.
Real feminism - equal rights for everyone, fair treatment, equal pay and opportunity for everyone including respect. Everyone matters. The actual root of feminism was really meant to be all inclusive for everyone, it’s just under feminism. This is amazing.
I don't hate feminism. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only male that doesn't. And I'll even say this being a Dom in front of everybody I don't care. a lot of people think that guys that are Dom's are all chauvinistic pigs. I don't really hate anything or anybody. but I also think there's a difference between feminism and entitlement. But entitlement spreads further than just females for sure. There's a lot of entitled male egoes walking around too. Thinking they deserve everything without any reason or cause. Might despise that behavior but I don't hate them. And I definitely don't hate feminism. Unless they use it for entitlement but then I just despise it, no hate.
My issue with feminism fits into two categories, state involvement, and foundational beliefs.
I don't think something like feminism should be sponsored by the state. The fact that it has entire branches of most governments under the direct control of its ideology makes it dangerous, and I would say the same thing if any other organization or ideology did this as well, as many do.
The other issue is that it's founding belief is that men and women don't have a fair social balance with each other and that the favor always goes to men, and therefore that any favor that goes to women is not in favor of women, but of equality. It is collectivistic, treating all women and all men as the same. It claims to be for equality, but all of its actions demonstrate quite the opposite.
It feels like it's not about equality anymore but its about supressing men and like everything against men only. It started for a good cause no doubt but now most of the feminists are like "Men are like this", "why do men had to this?", "Why are men like that", "free tiddies" (i still don't get it how freeing tiddies would help in upliftment of women and empower women in middle east).
Exceptions are always there, but i am saying this from what i encounter on social media.
Because it's a man hating movement that put the fault of everything, but existing and made up, on men. It doesn't want equality, it wants superiority. It doesn't care about men at all, and anyone bringing up men issues is immediately attacked but a horde of feminists saying that talking about that "undermine women's issues".
It's nothing more than hate, insults, canceling, misandry. Hating men and doing everything possible to damage them.
And to those who say it's not "real feminism", well, you're wrong. It is. It is exactly what the movement is about today. Exactly because the "real feminists", as they like to call themselves, never say a thing against the "bad ones". So they took over, and made it their own.
This is their ideas you see everywhere, their ideas that medias and politics listen to, their ideas that are applied. They are the modern feminism.
I have never met or known a feminist in my life.
I have never dealt with any problems related to feminism or feminists.
I am not a feminist.
It seems to me that those on the internet complaining about feminism live in an alternative parallel dimension, where they currently have gender wars and it is called the 3. th wave or 4. th wave feminism. Then again, I myself have not been in such warzones ever.
The most I have encountered are sexist gender roles, general sexism, gender favoring (in either direction), REVERSED gender pay gap (I was literally being paid 17% less for doing the same job!) and propaganda.
I don't hate it for what it claims to be, I hate it for what it does.. My fifth rule, mind a person's behavior, not just what they say, their behavior will betray their lies..
- dishonesty when it comes to domestic violence, causing 100% of funding to be women only, when statistically it's 50/50
- dishonesty when it comes to rape, going so far as to prevent man from being included in the definition of rape, allowing female rapists and child molesters to get away with it.
The wage gap myth
The idiotic notions that fathers are not equal to mothers.
There are dozens more.. Bottom line, right now feminism does more harm than good.
If you want to hear from a REAL feminist, One that understands that her own group is doing very wrong right now. Listen to Christina Hoff Sommers. Her and Cassie Jaye are literally the only two feminists i have any respect for.
Who said, and why do you assume that?
I don't have a CLUE, what your PERSONAL DEFINITION, of "Feminism" is, so tell me that, and we might be able to chat.
I assume it has to do with EQUALITY, equal pay, respect, and some of the often-assumed things.
But others add other things, to "Their" definition!
Definition of feminism
1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2: organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
(merriam webster, 2017)
listen, that was just the merriam webster definition and i just wanted your two cents on it. stop trying to argue with me
@ Asker I'm not 'arguing' with you, or disagreeing, or even at all against what FEMINISM IS!!
If you are going to post, cut and paste BS, EXPECT people to call you out on it!
I RESPECT WOMEN, and I KNOW A LOT OF FEMINISTS, and they are AMAZING! But THEY DEFINE WHAT THEY BELIEVE, THEMSELVES, and don't just cut and paste BS from a website!
Live it, choose it, or you will NEVER have it!! You have to decide what you want, and need, and who you are, if you are a "Feminist"!!
They respect themselves and DEMAND respect from others, and they EARN THAT RESPECT, with what they believe, and do, and never half-ass it!!
Do you understand what I am saying?
again, that's the merriam webster definition. if you want to call it as bs, sure, that's your opinion. i'm just giving you the official dictionary definition you asked for. you are clearly trying to argue with me sir, and i don't want to.
@Asker I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU, PERSONALLY, AS A WOMAN, think it means, TO YOU, and not just the definitions, that some MAN WROTE IN A BOOK!!
Do you get it? I am asking YOU, as a PERSON, because I want to know women, and how they think about this, and what bothers them, that men say, and do, BECAUSE MOST OF US, HONESTLY DON'T KNOW!
Forget the 'definitions' and tell me, AS YOU, what YOU think, and feel!
THAT is my point!!
ok here's my definition. feminism can be divided into two definitions for me. the first is advocating for women's rights to be considered as equal to men, and the second is advocating for women's rights while being a misandrist.
but i'm guessing you want this definition so that you can argue with someone online about how feminism sucks and i don't want to be that someone.
@Asker Thank you, and NO, NOT AT ALL wanting to "ARGUE" with you!!
OMG!! I TOTALLY SUPPORT women's equality!!
I am not that ASSHOLE that you imagine, and assume!!
I HONESTLY believe that women are so much better, at so many things, like understanding, and communicating, caring, showing love, and compassion, than men, that I have often apologized to past girlfriends, and compliment them, for understanding me, and helping me be, a BETTER MAN, and better understand and love, and respect them!!
I know you have probably had a bunch of my gender, that you absolutely hate, that disrespected you. I apologize for those knuckle-dragging monkey idiots, but I am not like them.
Please, let go of your past, and your bias, toward my gender, accept my apology, and maybe find a good friend, that cares, and wants to know, and understand.
@jacksmy i have a ton of male friends and they're all really respectful and treat me like anyone else. it's just that the guys on G@G have a track record of being very misogynistic and very bigoted, so its not really the bias i have against men, its the men on G@G. i'm glad you aren't one of them though.
@Asker I agree, and I HATE, so much, that so many of my gender, ESPECIALLY THE YOUNGER ONES, still post sexist, judgmental hate, and think women are property, in some twisted way! WTF? 2021, and there are still, 20-somthing guys, that just don't understand equal rights, and RESPECTING women?
I am soooooo sorry that you have to deal with those, and their Knuckle-dragging ignorance!!
My Grandma taught me, at a young age, how to respect women, and be a 'gentleman'. So sad, that so few know that, now.
To me it's a problem of language. Most people are pushing for egalitarianism (fairness and balance between the genders). That is often mislabelled as feminism. Feminism is the advancement of women to any end, including to the detriment of men. To what I see, when people get surprised that men are against feminism its not that men are against egalitarianism but that the are against the detriment of their own gender.
Saying women are equal to men is like saying children are equal to adults.
And that's what's next, they've already got kids in kindergarten deciding to change their gender. I see all of that shit as a logical off-shoot of feminist ideology.
How many generations of kids are we going to have to permanently FUCK UP just so we can indulge the social theories of a bunch of demented transgender academics who anyone would KNOW not to trust around kids if they ever got a good look at them in the light of day. They literally look and talk and act exactly like demons wearing human suits, and these are the people that you get called a Nazi incel bigot for not agreeing with.
Women are more educated than children.
Wasn’t always the case, but it is more so now. Time to start treating them like people.
@Shuttlebus78 If you educate a child enough, you think that makes them an adult? Think about it.
Actually, you probably do think some stupid shit like that...
Being an adult makes you an adult. Education helps make more informed choices. I know I don’t think like a child- neither does my girlfriend. We haven’t since we were children. Sorry hater- start treating people like humans.
You obviously know very little about development.
@Shuttlebus78 You probably are equal to a woman. I definitely don't think of you as a man, or an adult.
Despite education, humans have to mentally develop too into adults. There’s enough information on development one can get an advanced degree in it too. Oh by the way changing one’s gender has nothing to do with feminism. It’s due to increased gay rights. Believe it or not, most women want their kids to act like the gender God assigned them. Stop the bs and stop generalizing everyone.
Also- how long did it take men to civilize society? Hundreds even thousands of years? Yeah they didn’t always succeeed either. Just because you’re expected to treat women as humans instead of livestock doesn’t mean all of our successes are for nothing. Just like it doesn’t excuse all our mistakes, which are bound to happen. So yes with new ideas, bring some mistakes. However, it also improves other things too. Be a decent person. God loves all of us and wants all of us to live up to our total potential.
@bananaman177 since when did women and children have the same iqs. what the fuck is wrong with you. women are the caretakers of children, and can double as the breadwinners of the house, just like men can.
@Shuttlebus78 I'm not advocating that we treat anyone like cattle, but handicapping men just so that women can compete is turning us all into cattle. Women are making gains in society but men and boys are falling behind, which limits us all since men have greater potential. Why do you think girls mature faster than boys? Because they don't have as far to go. They mature faster up to a point and then stop, while boys catch up and then surpass them. You'll notice when you hit that point, if ever.
It is precisely because women are optimized as the caretakers of children that they remain big children themselves their whole lives. And yes, you can go out and be a breadwinner, but that doesn't mean a man couldn't do your job a lot better than you can:
Let me show you how "equal" you aren't:
@bananaman177 oh my gosh you are the stupidest person i've had to talk to on this website. my mother, a doctor, made a shit ton more than my father did, and took care of us at the same time. she did her job a lot better than the men in her field and is highly established in her field. and that dumbass photo of the men putting armstrong on the moon, you know who stopped wwii by discovering nuclear power? marie curie. you're just another man that's upset he can't do jack shit and blames it on women.
Hate is too strong a word.
I dislike because it deny's a mans right to be masculine and invalides his perspective. It ignores the challenge of male/female relationship and puts all blame on males for everything in sight. And it treats us like they probably feel... like we don't belong and the world be better without us.
Its a perspective with some truth in it and a lot of distortion.
Maybe you should start disliking even male dominated groups who do the same? I think society has a shitty way of pitting everyone against each other.
@Shuttlebus78 agree, we are a society that generates divisiveness rather than seeing understanding, acceptance, healing. the very question is divisive. I dislike a lot of male behavior, weve gone way down hill in a few decades.
Because modern feminism hates me. It is out to GET at men instead of striving for true equality for both genders. Feminism wants the benefits of equality, but not equal responsibility. They want to have their cake and eat it too. That's why I'm against it. It has lead to the destruction of MANY nuclear families and possible nuclear families.
I personally don't think it's about hating feminism. In fact i'm 100% sure most men support womens rights and even equality. But as has been said several times in the comments todays "feminism" is no longer about those subjects, it has become a P. C. term that is pulled out of context for the slightest issue, misconception or dissagreement between men and todays "feminists".
Feminism has lost it's true meaning in my eyes.
because we know you women are strong.
you go though labor and have babies, have to deal with creeps, deal with things men don't have to like sexual assault and attacks and you still keep your chin up and go through life
as well you can.
you don't need feminist movements, we love you all exactly the way you all are.
it's a toxic movement that attempts to replace man. there are two genders for a reason, we are all equal but we're not really... equilibrium we balance each other out. It needs to stay that way.
don't believe the gender wage myth and all that it's all based off of false facts.
there are just some things that differentiate us for the better. some things women are better at then men and vice versa. it's a beautiful thing.
I prefer my women submissive, in the kitchen, and perhaps also pregnant.
Honestly though, I'm not a fan of my partner constantly undermining the marriage by thinking she has to act as a man does because muh equality. That not allowing her to be a whore is a patriarchal racist conception, etc. Frankfurt school Marxist ideas aren't exactly beneficial to the nuclear family.
HA. Okie.
I don’t think most women act like men. I think most of theM just want to be able to take care of themselves and their families if need be without getting screwed over in the process.
@Shuttlebus78 I'm speaking of feminism, not of most women.
Of course. Nobody wants to get screwed over especially by their spouse.
Sure you do but once it comes time to be responsible for them financially and in other ways you say it isn’t fair. Grow up.
@Shuttlebus78 Not true. I prefer they tend the house while I work.
You socialized men and boys for the past 50 years to be feminists. Feminism does not work. Yes I openly am an opponent of feminism. It took education and job oppertunities from men and boys and gave gave them to woman. Then the society turns around and complains about the same men and boys not being economically viable. Give me a break. You took from my mouth and gave it someone else because she's a girl or woman. It is a zero sum game. If you don't invest in men and boys you will not get economically viable men on the otherside and your society will inplode. Immigration will not save it your society will implode. You created an upper caste of woman and underclass of men. This is unacceptable. Reverse course on this feminist nonsense because it is nonsense.
Feminism has become destructive. Its not about fixing wrongs its about attaining power by vilifying and attacking men. Because of this they will never admit that parity has been achieved. Humans (even females) won't give up the power that they have attained. Its the same thing with the Democrats. They will never admit that parity has been achieved because then they won't be able to politically divide us. It will never end. They will start focusing on things that aren't really issues like the gender pay gap and insist that it is real and not because men and women do very different jobs.
They will also begin to focus on minor issues and blow them up into huge issues
I don't hate feminism, i love women but i hate unfair feminism. Some women say they want equality but what the actually want is more power over men and that's something I'm against.
But true equality I'm all for but i feel like we are unequally equal, this probably doesn't make any sense to most people but what I'm trying to say that their are pro's and cons to both genders those should be balance to an equal scale (this can't be 100% measured tho)
I do not "hate" feminism but find it amusing. The most strident of these creatures are usually stridently ugly and this is their way to pretend they care about how males "exploit" women. If guys were to bed them regularly. they'd all forget about... what was that again?
I just feel that when unfair stuff happens to men they let it go, they focus too much on women and thats what you would expect from a movement called fem-inism, but i dont hate feminism, i like it, but it depends on what branch, its a big movement, lots of kinds.
Feminist & feminism mandate is to make men subservient to women, emasculate men by lobbying for laws that put them at a great disadvantage unless their part of the LGBT+ community. Trying to dictate the development of boys and the unique way we discover ourselves and the world as well as the many ways we solve problems through logical thinking & planning that's essentially makes us better men.
don't type out the alphabet soup of sexual deviancy, just call them the gays
@007kingifrit I understand your point but they try to call themselves everything under the sun even to the extreme of wanting to be a different species.
I dont have an issue with feminism when done properly. I have an issue with extreme feminists, the women that hate on men just to hate on men
The kind of people who blame men for ALL problems even if some of the problems they list are their fault themselves
I don't hate feminism at anytime unless it's being toxic and turning to misandry the hostility of all men, all these are absolutely wrong but natural feminism is absolutely okay and all men should support women's right while thousands of women are raped, murdered, tortured and enforcedly prostituted. I support feminism as being real and sincerely man and I've never been against it. True feminism seeks and defends women's rights this is not misandry...
Life is not a futile struggle to control others. It’s not a battle between who is more important, and it matters little what genitalia you have. Treat people how you want to be treated, and you will have a good life, people who don’t subscribe to this philosophy are generally anti social, and sooner or later no one wants to be around them.
Well said.
I hold no hate for a movement that seeks to push equality. But i can't continue to support that movement when its members use it as a shueld to push an agenda that wants that equality at the expense of others.
Equal opportunity and equal outcome are not the same. One is equal, the other is oppressive to the other side.
I guess in short, i have no hate to the movement. But i hold nothing but contempt for a large part of its members.
I don't.
I don't call myself a feminist because some of them are out of their minds. The movement means different things to different people and I don't want to be associated with certain things.
But the basic idea is very good and I know some feminists that are just pro equality nothing more.
So I can't say I hate feminism. To me depends on the person in front of me.
Because it stopped being about equal rights and opportunities for women. Feminism today now seems obsessed with raising women above men. It is immersed in entitlement and hypocrisy.
I am opposed to any movement that seeks to institute the dominance of one group of people over others. Feminism wasn't like that, it sought equality (which I strongly support). But now that it desires inequality, I am opposed to it.
I don't. I only hate people who claim to be feminists, but don't actually care about equality. Fake feminists. The kind who demonize all men for the actions of a few, say women should control the world, dismiss common problems facing men. That kind of hypocrisy.
But I have nothing against a true feminist and even agree that it's archaic foolishness not to have equal rights in the modern day.
I don't hate true feminism, I support it. What I don't support is the divergence of traditional, true feminism. Contemporary feminism isn't what feminism used to be, it's arguably not feminism at all. It's some weird, twisted, perversion of traditional feminism. The movement has been high jacked by indecent people.
I don't. My masculinity is not defined by what a woman says or does.
Its not hate for it. Its just... I think annoyed would be the word but there might be a better one. Modern day feminism isn't about equality. If it was it would just be called equality. There once was a need for feminism but those days are long gone. Now they are just obnoxious and inappropriate in public while screaming about inequalities that dont exist ie: wage gap, pink tax, and rape culture off the top of my head.
I think the reason some guys don't is because it makes women feel like they don't need men. before even subpar guys could find a wife, cause women were pressured to find a husband. now these guys are facing the possibility they they are going to spend their lives alone and it scares them
I am against socialism, homosexuality, islam, transgenderism, promiscuity, abortion, misandry, and racism. These all find a home in modern feminism.
I am for women finding safe jobs they are able to do, protected, being valued, helped, and being commended.
I hate this so called third wave of feminism, because it is no longer about equality between the genders. It has become about female superiority, and hatred toward males.
I think females should have equal opportunity to the same rights as men. Not equality of outcome- to force the nation to have the observable outcome be seen as equal. The first says " You can get these male dominant jobs if you want." the second says "we are forcing more women into this job in the name of equality" Which is an infringement on human rights, and freedom. While the first solution encourages freedom, or at the least makes it available if you choose.
From your picture they all seem to have their eyes closed. That explains a lot… You should have their mouths open and their hands over their ears as well though if you want an accurate depiction.
Men don't hate feminism, what we hate is feminazis, those girls who take undue advantage of being female. True feminist don't defame male it's about empowering Womanpower and even man in today's world support them. (Exceptions are there)
I don't hate feminism, I just don't support it because I find it misguided and dishonest.
No woman that has ever appealed to me identified as a feminist, unsurprisingly.
Im personally okay with it, as long as I don't get the view forced on me everywhere everytime.
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