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Men, why do you hate feminism?
I'll guess at which dictionary definition you refer to as feminism. Political feminists or one who simply cares to be or promotes being feminine. Male and female. I'll assume politically. Females are unique and bring a lot to the table that do better at many things that men can do. As you use the word hate, I hate ignorance and stupidity equally, male or female. I hate assuming based on a double ended question or a non desript question. I value women tremendously. When they understand basic biology infused with God. I'm not a Bible thumper, but Christianity is a good way to explain. Your biology, chemistry, physical and emotional structure is entirely unlike a male. WHY. I want you to answer that question. Objectivly. Celebrate who you were born to be. Don't compete with men. Compete on your own terms, without the focus on men. Yes you may able to be the ceo of a company, the same as a man. Simple right? Yah but no , not so simple. You can demand wage equality, ok. WHAT IS WAGE EQUALITY. lets break that down 2 million ways. You can be equal until many factors come into play. Men can be less equal until many factors come into play. If you want to labor on a construction site and demand equal pay, good luck for you. Its not that women make less money than men, but rather men physically and through testosterone driven mind sets get paid more because they do more. You don't get paid less, they get paid more for performance. The bar is set equally with 50 tasks. The higher paid will be the one who does that consistently over extended periods of time. Two concrete finishers, one a female, one a male. The female can do the same job, but for what extended period of time. Chances are, you will need another person to load your finishing machine, oh but wait, that busy guy already doing his job will have to help you. Men should be screaming inequality, not women. Reverse discrimination. Women that are body builders would cave under a 160 pound guy unloading two concrete trucks by wheel barrow. Maybe a man should get paid the same as a woman holding a flag directing traffic on a construction crew. To all the women who disagree, I dont believe in unions that blindly make men do more for the same pay than what women can't do. No special concessions here. How about being the best nurse you can be better than men at 30 bucks an hour. Sadly but happily to say that the best nurses I've ever had were men. Its fricking true. Millenial self absorbed female nurses are cranky conceited bitches. Im in pain in a hospital when the female lashes out as if punishing a man. Its true. A female dominated industry in health care is being over run by men who do it better. And you ask why men hate feminism. ASK GOD. ITS WHY FEMINISTS LEAD MEN INTO GETTING IT ON SEXUALLY WITH FEMININE MEN. Good luck feminists who crash their car on a sub zero winter night by my house with your kids. Feminist suburban protesting type that suddenly finds a lowly red neck man that can start a cave man fire with venison. Shot by my arrow. You could be in a life and death situation, freezing and starving, when happily say, here's some venison and cheese and milk for your kids, ,, when you have the audacity to say we're fruity vegetarians. Get the point why men hate feminists.
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It's like this dude. Men will never fully understand women and women will never fully understand men. Because we are different. There are different stereotypes about women than men. So we have been made fun of about two diffrent things our entire life. Like hwite people get made fun of like this "Hillbilly. Redneck. Missing teeth." And black people get made fun of like this "what cha doin? eatin fried chicken?" White people don't get made fun of for eating fried chicken. We can not understand how fed up with that they are. But black people do not get called redneck. So they can not understand how fed up with that we are. Same thing with men and women. You will never know how fed up men are with the types of things that happen to them because you cannot be them for 38 years, 40 years, 20 years, there whole life 24/7. Neither could possibly a man fully understand how a woman has been made fun of her whole life. Or how she feels. No biggy. Doesn't mean I have to hate them. Doesn't mean have to want to "get rid" of them.
Because a lot of men miss-identify feminism as angry women screaming about superiority rather than being treated as a human being without your sex being held against you. While others, extremists, not the common man, don't like the idea of women not trying to appeal to their trivial and political desires and beliefs religiously.
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Because they’re finally being called out for sexuallising young girls, lurking creepily at their female coworkers and they are forced to leave a woman alone if she’s not interested in having a conversation with them. Oh the agony.
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In it's history, feminism has never been about "attaining equality." Here's a really brief breakdown about what feminism has been about, though:
First wave feminists. They were rich white women who used terrorism to undermine women's voting rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette
The overall effect of the suffragette militancy, however, was to set back the cause of women's suffrage. For women to gain the right to vote it was necessary to demonstrate that they had public opinion on their side, to build and consolidate a parliamentary majority in favour of women's suffrage and to persuade or pressure the government to introduce its own franchise reform. None of these objectives was achieved.
That was about women's suffrage, not "equality." And the suffragettes fucked that up, anyway. They actually hurt their own cause.
Second wave feminism was about women's legal workplace rights, especially following World War II, where men were overseas and women could be paid as cheap labor. It's the only time there's ever been a literal 'wage gap' in recent American culture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism
Women's workplace and legal rights, not "equality." RIGHTS. NOT. "EQUALITY."
Third wave feminism is about "rape culture" and "the wage gap", which have both been debunked so many times, it's ridiculous.
Take your pick.
Third-wave is also about "patriarchy," but their definition for it is so nebulous, it doesn't even have one, not even from "feminist scholars." (I tried not to laugh while typing that.)
Fourth wave is about intersectionality and pretty much blaming all things on white males. It's also about trying to change definitions of terms, like the "new racism" being "power plus prejudice equals racism".
Fourth-wave is about whites, straight, CIS people, and men being "problematic" and bigoted in some way, including our next president, Donald Trump, for some reason.
Not a single one of these ideologies or their studies fit "the goal of achieving legal, economic, and social equality." And perhaps you missed the biggest thing of all: HOW do you objectively define "equality"? What is literally just one right men have that women do not in the West? I think the only way for the feminist view of "equality" to even be possible is through Communism. Of course, this isn't accounting the fact that men suffer 9:1 in comparison to women in the West. And they also get to vote without signing up for Selective Service, unlike men, who are required to do so. But yeah, they just want that "equality," huh?
TL;DR:
Feminism is bullshit, factually inaccurate, and left up to interpretation of feminists, not the world at large, nor is it about "equality" or ever has been, not in any of it's four waves, or proto-feminism before them. The term "equality" is a buzzword used by feminists and it's not even an accurate one because men have more inequality and social suffering in the West than women do.
Sixty Reasons why Modern Feminism is Complete Bullshit (There are more, but I limited it to just 60):
Women serve less jail time for the same crimes.
Women pay less for car insurance.
Women win law suit cases far more than men for the same suits.
Women are given a choice in abortion men are not.
Men have no reproductive rights.
Women will more likely win custody of children, or for that matter, basically any court decision.
Female prisons are vastly better quality and safer.
There are less women in prison.
Women can't be forcefully drafted into military service.
Women can't be forcefully sent into combat zones.
Men have to pass higher physical standards than women to enter any physically demanding job including the military, police, firemen, etc.
The vast majority of workplace deaths are men.
The vast majority of suicides are men by 4 times the amount than women.
Women report a high degree of happiness on average than men.
Men work more hours on average than women.
Women make up the majority of the workforce.
More women than men are college attendants.
Most college facilities funded by tuition benefit women more than men.
Even when accounting for the enrollment difference, colleges have to keep at the very least a 60/40 ratio on genders so many men are accepted late as to compensate for having too many women.
Despite there being more women in college there are vastly more female only scholarships that provide vastly more money.
More men choose to major in the math and sciences despite colleges trying to push more women into these fields and less men.
The wage gap does not exist when accounting for working hours and different jobs, despite men earning more on average than women.
Women spend more money than men, when not including the top 1% of wealth.
Men below the age of 30 earn less than women below 30.
Men make up the majority of the homeless and unemployed and yet women make up the majority of welfare recipients.
Teachers favor teaching girls over boys, causing boys to have lower general grades and happiness in school. Despite this boys on average score above girls in standardized tests like the SAT in the sections of math and science (see "The War On Boys").
Women are never expected to make the first move in either sex or starting a relationship or in advancing one.
Women are never expected to pay for anything in a relationship as dates, driving, rings, gifts, and etc. are paid by the man.
Women cheat more than men and yet men are depicted in media as the ones who cheat more.
Men are the victims of domestic abuse more than women and yet they are depicted by media as the abusers more often.
Women get special treatment socially, culturally, and legally for violence against them.
Men are expected to be the bread winner.
Women are often not expected to contribute or sacrifice anything to a relationship other than sex.
Women have a large number of help centers while men have none.
Female only gyms are abundant while male only are almost non existent and can be sued for discrimination.
Men are most often viewed as the bad guys in nearly all media.
Women are often depicted as empowered even to unrealistic degrees in media.
Women are rewarded and remembered for even minor contributions while men must make major ones for the same recognition.
Women have a much higher life expectancy.
Men pay more towards social security yet receive less of it than women.
Women are the majority of voters yet feminists still complain about the ratio of male politicians to female ones.
Fathers day is celebrated less and has less money spent on it than Mothers day.
Despite breast cancer and prostate cancer roughly killing the same number of people per year, breast cancer research receives around 90% more funding at an almost 2 to 1 ratio.
Men die more often from stress related illnesses.
Men can be forced to pay women money that they may or may not be used on a child that may or may not be theirs.
Women initiate the majority of divorces and receive the majority of their ex's money.
Often even after signing a pre-nup, a man must still pay this ex half his finances.
Roughly 10-30% of “fathers” are raising children who they are not aware aren't their own.
Men are the majority of rape victims (when using prison statistics), but men can't be LEGALLY raped by a woman without them using a penetration device.
Men are not given the right of consent.
Men are often "guilty until proven innocent" in cases of rape accusation.
Accused men are SOCIALLY considered rapists on the accusation of rape alone, even if they are later proven innocent.
Men have their identities exposed in cases of rape accusation while accusers do not.
Women face NO punishment for falsely accusing a man of rape.
Rape is used as an unofficial punishment against men in jail.
Women aren't arrested and jailed for selling sex to men but men are arrested and jailed for buying sex from women.
Male models and sex workers actually get paid less than females for the same work.
Male genital mutilation (circumcision) is common and treated as a joke while female genital mutilation is rare and seen as a serious matter.
Men are exposed to thousands of chemicals everyday that have drastically detrimental effects on their reproductive and physical health while women experience only a fraction of these effects.
Women have thousands of government-funded organizations defending them from sexism and men have none.
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I like feminism to a extent. Women being empowered is good by all means. I think all women should be able to do as they please, however the world itself won't allow that not because of just men but some women as well. Rape and rapist will always exist, which is why a lot of non rapist till you to watch what you wear, what time of day you walk around, and what places you go to. I feel like a lot of feminist today have a problem with a lot of things that don't need to be a problem. Ex: the wage gap. Yes it exist we all know this, however in NBA Vs. WNBA there is a reason for it. Number one, sports is at its best a business along with a investment. Depending on how long and how much money you put into a investment will you also tell you how much your gonna get out. Not to many people pay attention to the WNBA, not because there women but simply because a lot of people don't find them entertaining and that's not the crowd's fault, it's theirs. 2nd the WNBA hasn't been around for nearly as long as the NBA so it will take time for it to even be close to the NBA in terms of net worth. I have seen a lot of women used the i am a girl so you can't hit me card on a lot of men before. ( not saying all women are like this but some are) For those that do, if you want equal rights, then you should also be able to take a hit if you give one out. However a lot of feminist tend to disagree with this, not all but some. I feel like a lot of feminist want women to go into male owned fields that are already doing just fine on there own, which is what makes me upset. Why not try empowering the women that choose there own field, why not empower women to make a new field, why not empower women to choose a job that they will enjoy instead of pushing women into area's that they may not like. Men and women sexualize each other on a daily basic's however women are less likely to get caught cause we men are pretty dense sometimes. So in short ladies if you ever look at a play boy magazine, or ever drooled over a vampire or some dude, then you are indeed doing what men have been doing for years and that's sexualizing. Women are amazing people, and I simply wish the best for them. However ladies you shouldn't say men hate feminism cause then your generalizing and that's wrong, instead say some. Some women are pieces of shit and some men deserve to rot in hell. Rapist are bad and any decent person with medium morals will say the same thing. Both sex's need to work together to be better in order to survive. This world wasn't build by one or the other, but in fact it was build together. Women played there role, just like men did. Men did the physical part while women made sure the mental part was also good. Men for the most part, not all but mostly, we tend to be more of as long as it works and keeps me going regardless of how it looks, while women mostly tend to be more the I want to make it look prettier or better.
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I would like to start off by saying there are two types of feminist. There's the type of feminist that fight for social equality within the government, workspaces, and equal credit and pay. I don't have a problem with them. In fact, I love the work they do and truly do believe more women should be given those things. However, the other type of feminist is toxic in victimizing themselves in any situation they see benefit towards biased double standards, even if it means constantly contradicting themselves. Also, they can't express themselves without the need to downplay the intelligence of all men and antagonizing them as "evil by nature." As you can imagine, I hate this side in particular.
This is where your typical Karen originates from. The woman who sued the lifeguard for touching her when she was on the verge of drowning also, most likely, originates from this toxic feminism. Amber Heard, lying in court and taking advantage of not only the #MeToo movement but also the court's leniency towards women, has gotten away with physical assault and abuse because of so, painting the man as the inherent wife-beater and abuser while still keeping her job with substantial evidence still against her.
Women from this category need to learn that not all men think the same. The reason why so many of these women have came across men like that is because women by nature operate emotionally and not logically. Logically, they should avoid most of the men they encounter. But, that's boring to them. But, emotionally, it's a drive for them. It's an attraction towards these type of men that women can't explain, and it only limits their perspective for all the other good men that exist in this world. This toxic side of feminism is nothing but an emotional breakdown in an attempt to always find comfort in playing the role of the victim, especially as a woman. Whereas a man would not get away with such an act. - 3.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
Well lets see, it claims that all men are pure evil (the only conclusion that can be drawn when they claim that men oppressed women for all of history (factually incorrect of course, but the claim is made anyway), that we are to blame for literally everything (women blame us for their "suffering", then when men point out all the suffering they have, women say its because of men that they are suffering i. e. feminists never take responsibility for what women do, its always on men never on women, never on biology, no matter what happens blame all men), they have radically altered laws so that they openly discriminate against men (custody laws, paternity laws etc.), they claim they are the ones oppressed despite the fact that not only do women have more rights then men, but statistically men are suffering in all catagories and women are not.
Besides which how can you like an ideology that says half the population is pure evil, that your pure evil and glorifies demonizing men, glorifes not contributing anything in a relationship (men have to be traditional but a man expecting a woman to be traditional is "sexist". They even glorify cuckolding and cheating.), glorifies aborting male offspring, punishes men who try to talk about mens issues (feminist made a bomb threat at a convention that was discussing male suicide (80% of suicides are male), for example). Also not only are they hateful and rampantly sexist, they are also entirely wrong and don't understand biology and history (or intentionally ignore it).
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Don't hate feminism. Why I'm generally against it is that it falsely presents itself as being for equality when it's really about making men subservient to women on every level.
It focuses on "equality" by way of exclusively focusing on areas of female disadvantage under the premise that females are fundamentally at disadvantage to men in society and that the one true way to reach this equality is knocking down male advantage, while ignoring areas of female advantage.
The flawed premise artificially makes men and institutions built by men enemies to Feminists and the truth is most don't even believe. They want to use it as a tool to gain advantages in day to day life.
When's the last time you heard a feminist discussing a male rights issue?
You might say that's for men to do and not females. And you might be right. But a movement that disregards this can't claim to be for equality when it ignores inequality that doesn't favor it's bias.
Oftentimes when a male rights issue is presented a feminist will combat it by either disregarding it, downplaying it, playing "what about" ism to make it about a female issue rather than just facing a legitimate male rights issue.
I often disregard the opinion of a feminist unless she has a brother/father of which she has a good relationship with. Because sadly for most women without that they are fundamentally incapable of looking at things from a man's perspective with any genuine concern or curiosity without trying to make it about them. - 843 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
I think one of the main reasons both genders want to impress the other one. Both genders are ying and yang. One can´t ying (females) without changing yang (males). The most part of feminism, aren´t necessarily fem-nazis, but are those females who declare with feminism they could regulate men´s role in the society as well. Meaning they (females) think they could find out the best role for us guys as well because with feminism being so good and powerful they could strip off all "toxic masculinity". That´s a problem because it takes us, guys, out of the equation. If girls are so smart and if they can do all that, they don´t need guys, they don´t men. The problem what we guys have, is that we see women around us change, we see school and job systems change so that females are getting better in it, while we guys don´t have a solution how to act. We learned that in court, it´s more plausibel that a woman is being believed if she accuses a man of abuse or harrassment even though it might not be true. So we guys change, too.
We step back and let females act because we don´t what to do, what is appropriate in such a situation and what isn´t? Girls say they can do it, too, so let them make the first move in dating. I don´t hate feminism it just leaves unsure to some point about my manhood and the role of men in future society. The problem is that being a guy can be hard these days because I feel like everyone´s talking about "toxic masculinity" like it´s the fundamental problem in the world and everything that´s female is the solution. - 2.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
Because feminists chose to lie to achieve their goal.
They lie about :
History- there was no male oppression.
Everyone suffered. You can say that men held more power but they also had greater responsibility. That means if a man is responsible for providing and protecting, he must have the power to tell his wife to stay in the house.
Male privilege. Suicide, war, workplace and homicide. Majority male victims.
Construction, garbage collection, sewege and water maintenance, upkeep of the electrical grid , manufacturing, transportation etc. Majority male.
So men have the privilege of making sure that society doesn't stop. Okay...
Feminists also bring up voting rights a lot and how men got it earlier.
Well men got it earlier because men had to go to war for it. That means that women have the privilege to vote. Because you can't have a right without a reciprocal obligation.
Women and children first, chivalry, violence against women is universally condemned.
Basically my problem with feminism is that it claims women are oppressed , that men are just given stuff and how we hate them and how privileged we are , despite the inarguable fact that society has always valued the life of a woman over the life of a man.
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Not sure why we are having to go over this again, its a pretty flogged horse at this point.
But lets look at your question: You are only asking why men have a problem with feminism as though only males could have a problem with it, this is simply not the case and demonstrates pretty clearly that you are a sexist and as such why shouldn't I, as an advocate of equal rights have a problem with you?
You also use the word hate which is a very strong word and one not carelessly chosen i think, the choice is very deliberate and politically motivated, you want to portray anyone who is critical of what feminism now is as being a viscious hate monger, this certainly isn't my position not is it a position which i can recall seeing, certainly it is not at all representative of the people, male or female who have a problem with feminists.
The view is generally one of eye rolling disappointment or frustration that someone who clearly wants to be doing the right thing is incapable of actually working out right and wrong for themselves.
The term feminist/ism has been hijacked, past tense, sailed ship, in the rear view mirror and thats fine, just let it go because it doesn't matter, if you are a proponent of equal rights you dont need the term, you can just talk about equal rights and by the way we haven't been looking at inequality solely between genders for quite some time, certainly longer than you have been alive for assuming your age range is accurate.
What we are now striving for / the expectation is that all people regardless of their race, gender, orientation or ability are not discriminated against.
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My mom was telling people they cannot treat her less because she is a women back in eastern Europe when others were busy with communism. And even in the nineties other women were shaming her that she's into female equality because noone needs her. Now people in eastern Europe think that the west is wealthy because their political system or culture (while it is only because US was helping that part of Europe after ww2) and try to copy them and women who were shaming feminists in the 90s are calling themselves feminist now. As a half Asian the last thing I'd fight is racism against Asians. Because I wanna find a cause that is bigger than me and don't wanna do it out of self interest. I can't see that most feminists care about causes and principles they just fight for self-interest. Most of them would sell out feminism with no hesitation if they received an offer for it. I mean everyone has self interest, but joining a movement for that is just fucking stupid, buy a rice cooker and your life will improve more than by what feminism ever achieved. And last but not least feminism is really incompetent. They fight for having more female musicians in jazz festivals or female sushi chefs or same salary for tennis players who already earn shit load of money, while roads are not safe enough for female cyclists or travel around the world like I do, or not to give a fuck who I'm going to home with. You ever roamed alone in the city? Why feminism doesn't care about that stuff? Cus it is an industry and they don't care about you.
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I could give a couple of results.
1. Not all but few mask their hatred for men under the hood of feminism.
2. People are just bad or good some has abused her maybe, but same happens to men as well they don't say those things.
3. Women are no good than men lol but they want to show differently, leave a man in a roomful of feminists and see the results how will he be treated even if he would have treated women right but still he would be chewed of.
4. And women undermine women who want to housewives lol bc they think they are threat for the movement.
They put a movement b4 any other women and her choice to be something she wanted i have seen the glares and the hatred they have for people who wanted to be housewives or caretakers.
Most feminists look women with despise it's about power.
5. They use the word like rape and rapists so easily without even thinking just to insult guys, but does they know that they could be blaming an innocent guy, just bc a guy didnot agree with few feminists points who would deemed as rapists lots of feminists do that.
6. If this was for equality why the name had to be given as feminism and not some gender neutral name.
7. Show me a feminist, who will respect a man and there points if they even saw a little bit logic in his views.
8. You can see men supporting feminist groups but are they appreciated? Maybe rarely - 451 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
Why? 1st understand i don't hate women. I have a grandma, 2x moms, 8x sisters and a niece. How could I?
I mean I understand how it came to be a thing back in the 1910s and I admit it did a lot of good. Back then it did.
Feminism destroyed the nuclear family.
When women decided they where no longer different than men and could have it all. Part of me dosnt even blame women so much as men and society for not holding women accountable.
Being redpilled I learned a lot 1 thing being female nature, I mean you cannot hate someone for something that is pretty much unconscious. What I hate is the entitlement society doted on women, the courts, the laws being biased towards women.
I resent the screwed sexual market place, I resent all the rampant misandry from Hollywood to a Feminist reddit page.
Feminism led to many men being feminized, lot of man shaming going on. You can believe in equality all you want but equality without equal responsibility is not equality its entitlement.
Women have also suffered much because of Feminism, you cannot have it all. Men where made for women and women for men. No in between.
Neither is better and we're not equal. We're different. Understanding those differences reveals our dependence on each other.
At 1 time society was sexist to women. Today it is sexist towards men. 1 day perhaps the ground will level out and the world will be a better place but it'll take a lot of convincing because men are not signing up for this b. s -
1. The current "ideology" is as far from original feminism as national socialism is from socialism. Those who keep using that name are an affront to all that is right and just.
2. Modern feminazism is nothing more than an anti men hate cult.
3. While feminism encouraged empowerment, self-actualization, self-improvement, self-confidents and so on, modern feminazism encourages pathetic self-victimization for the most pathetic kind of garbage.
4. The worse: modern "feminists" are so pathetically insecure that they must lie to themselves and others, preteding that every man in their radius wants to sexually abuse them (verbally and/or physically). They hate their bodies so much and consider themselves to be so worthless that creating a made up dream world in which all men want to rape them is their only way of feeling sexually attractive. How sad is that?
5. Modern "feminism" supports all kinds of discrimination against men (especially in family courts), but whines to high heaven if anyone says a trans woman (biological man) should not be able to beat up women in a boxing contest. Hypocrisy, dishonesty and plain cruelty.
So, in summary, what used to be feminism is now a cultural cancer and a blight on society. -
Well... Feminism can be really unfair, telling they understand men and want our good but they only project feminity onto men like it's who we are. Feminism is addressing some serious issues to which I agree but most feminist don't see how unfair they can be to men on the same topic.
Feminism is only for the interest of women so when equality doesn't go in their favor, they're blind. No accountability most part of the time.
Women have a huge social advantage and they want more.
Me too is great but also really stupid when mixed to cancel culture. Go ahead and call on your rapist, help police sending them to jail. But if there is no proof, it's risking a potential innocent life to waste his life and if we found out he's not guilty, there is no accountability meaning a woman have nothing to lose doing that. Now system has his own problems finding out rapist and should improve on that. And I'm not encouraging rape but if everytime a woman says "that dude raped me" he's sentenced to jail, it becomes very dangerous.
Anyway, feminism is doing good sometimes, really. But between the extreme feminism, cancel culture and the SJW, there is tons of problems.
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First of all, there is a very important distinction between what feminism is and what it is supposed to be. If feminism were actually what it is supposed to be, men would not hate it. We would support it wholeheartedly because we support equal opportunity and fairness. Pretty much everyone does.
But feminism has not been what it claims to be for decades. There are so many problems with modern feminism that it's hard to know where to begin. Suffice to say that the movement today is dishonest, toxic and divisive. It drives a wedge between men and women that has created an ever widening divide that will take generation to repair, if that's possible at all. Today's feminism does far more harm than good to both sexes.
When I hear women say something like "how can you not support feminism when it gave women the right to vote and work?", I want to tell that that you are NOT supporting the same movement if you support feminism today. I want to ask them to give me a list of the good things feminism has done in the last decade and compare it to the long list of bad things it has done during the same period, and then tell me if they still support it. -
First off I don't hate feminism I respect it but don't forget guys are human to so you need to look at it from there perspective
So picture this you had a tiring day at work you just want to go home sit on the couch and relax your husband texted you when you were working and you never responded you got home ready to sit on the couch but your husband sayed "how come you didn't text me back" you tell him you were working late but he doesn't believe you he beats you you call the police his ass go to prison for assault (yes this is how it normally goes but what if it was reversed)
Now for the other perspective your husband had a tiring day at work he just wants to go home sit on the couch and relax on the couch but you had texted him when he was working and he never responded so once he gets home he was ready to sit down on the couch but then you say "why haven't you responded to my texts were you were" he tells you he is working late but you don't believe him you start to beating him to the point when he is calling the police for assault now there are 2 senariors the 1st one is the cops could say you probably deserved it and the 2nd one is you could make up a bullshit story and he will be the one going to jail even though he was the one assaulted -
Because they aren't really trying to get equality, they want matriarchy, if it made men and women equal then I'd be all for it, but I hear things like the "anti-manspreading chair" all the time which is a chair that makes men unable to "man spread" but promotes females to "man spread". and the topic of "man-spreading" in general, I physically have an immovable object in between my legs, and having my legs slightly apart is to not crush it, I don't know why they get so mad about it. if they really wanted female and male equality I would be out there on the streets holding my sign, but it isn't pro-equality as I said, what they want is matriarchy.
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In my experience only some men are against it. And those men are usually old-fashioned and thinks women should stay at home and care for kids and household. But if feminist got their way, those men would be stuck at home while the women explore the world, and they just can't accept that thought. Simply put, some men regards women as property rather than as a partner, and they need to be dominant to keep it that way.
I hope my answer wasn't to complicated. ^^
I should also say, that I'm neither against nor for feminists, because there's one type of feminists who blames men for everything, literally. And I don't think that's really fair, but I do approve of feminists who fight for equality between men and women. -
I don't.
I am actually a feminist in the true belief females deserve equal rights and opportunities as men and that we are all equal.
The ones who are unfortunately causing a bad reputation of the name are Radical Feminism where their idealism changed completely into a militant idealism and it became more of a fight of being the stronger gender, they refuse to believe any guys are capable of being kind towards girls and constantly blame every guy saying this is oppression when the guy is just a ordinary citizen who has never met them before.
So obviously when a guy hears a person say they are a feminist, they get worried because it has become a term that has been tainted by the Radical Feminists unfortunately :( - 1.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
Because it's stupid. Because it's not needed. Because they have no clue what they are even fighting against. Because they aren't pro-women, they are anti-women.
Even most women are against it for the same reasons.
I lived through so-called second wave feminism, and that was just as stupid, and was hated just as much by women. Hippie chicks back in the day might have been very liberal at the time, but they laughed at all the silly feminist nonsense. 60s and 70s feminism was a side show and a joke.
I seriously can't figure out how it became a thing again. I suppose it's the typical liberal machine that thrives on stirring up trouble. If they can't find anything worthwhile, they start making things up to satisfy their need to stir things up. -
It's not Feminism, it's Feminists. When I say "Feminists," I really do mean most of them. Bad experiences with Feminists happen all the time. They're just so fucking unpleasant. It happens on a dime, you literally have no idea what's going to trigger them, and this is true for a solid 80% of them (male or female).
I was a passionate Feminist for a long time, but I started to recognize the constant attitude, indignation, doubt, and accusations I was getting from women and I got tired of it. It was just too much. I can't tell you how offensive it is, as a rape victim, to have women just automatically assume that I'm going to hurt them. It's also horrible to have obnoxious, angry, short-tempered women get up in your face and call you a rapist-enabling chauvinist pig because you want verify that a guy actually raped the woman accusing him before throwing him in jail.
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