isn't that summary of America?
@__inkRat Indeed, it is. That's why we've coped the we have. Unfortunately, a number still don't realize this and unrealistically expect law-enforcement officers to be their personal body-guards (as though that's not an altogether different profession) and are massively surprised when reality shows itself.When their 'personal body-quards' detonate the wrong man's house in a botched raid, rendering a man & his family homeless, and the courts decide no compensation is owed; people are surprised.www.npr.org/.../police-owe-nothing-to-man-whose-home-they-blew-up-appeals-court-sayslol They were law-enforcement trying to enforce the law, but failed. End of story. As to the well-being of people NOT the specific person-of-interest? What does that have to do with enforcing the law? 🤣 And taxpayers are surprised!In the end, we are responsible for our own well-being & personal-security, while law-enforcement officers are in charge of enforcing the law. The 2 are separate here, but a number of people (even those born and raised here) unfortunately still don't get it. I wonder how many (tragic!) reality-checks are needed for this realization to be nearly universal.
This depends on where you live and how big or strong you are. The average woman cannot fend off a man very well. Yes the likelihood you will need it are slim but when you do, you need it just like a fire extinguisher. Also if someone is about to attack you, you have no idea of his capability or intentions, yes maybe he will just punch you and move on, but he may beat you to a pulp or even kill you. A well train man can kill a person with a single blow. in my opinion the aggressor is fair game, if you can brandish and he walks away good, if he attacks he gets dropped. Not risking my life for some scumbag that can't control himself.
READ the second amendment!! It does NOT say any yahoo with the money can buy and own a gun. It SAYS, IF you are part of A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed... Written when everyone needed to protect their COUNTRY, shoot to hunt animals. If you're not a member of the National Guard, you're not a part of a well regulated militia, in the eyes of the government.
@Meldrum Original intent (& History) must be remembered. In the beginning, We the People were the military… Well, certain people were."Militia Act of 1792" Ⅰ & Ⅱ passed on the 2nd & 8th of May 1792「I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act.」www.mountvernon.org/.../And the rest of the 2nd act's Section 1 required the free White men to arm themselves. The acts amending it (1862 & 1903) expanded the militia to include non-White citizens & foreigners seeking citizenship.Following in the original intent & the historical trajectory, the free citizenry (& prospective-citizens) are were the militia. It took the World Wars to make the military permanent. Before then, we were supposed to own and train in gunnery, both to dissuade an invasion and to speed-up training when war was declared by Congress.If we only returned to that tradition and personally took responsibility of the Union's security how much smaller our military-budget can be while keeping the U. S. safe, how many worthless but expensive years' long wars we would have avoided by knowing that allowing Washington to do so would mean we and/or our loved-ones would be sent to die far from home for no good reason, and how much more disciplined & civil we would be (like the Swiss, who have ≥1soldier and/or veteran in just about every household)?
@Meldrum First and foremost it states, and I quote, "the right to bare arms shall not be infringed." so your incorrect on that. Now lets argue the militia part, what is a militia? Armed citizens, literally any and all citizens historically comprised the militia, they where not some special group, they where everyday citizens that would be conscripted ergo an armed militia is by definition, an armed civilian. Ergo civilians can and are encouraged to own and buy guns as per the constitution.
@hellionthesagereborn The ONLY recognized militia by our government is the National Guard. It consists of just what you said, normal everyday citizens who put on a uniform once a month to train and are called out to protect those within their state borders from outside harm or terrorism within. But then, they turn their guns in at the end of their tour and another company takes up the mantle. You can justify all day why you want your guns but the only purpose behind the gun is to kill. If you want to hunt then fine. Learn how to kill with one shot. Otherwise, you are torturing the animal or human and if you can't kill with one shot, find a new hobby because you're incompetent.
@Meldrum Again, you do not understand what a militia is (what kind of stupidity is this? That the second amendment protects the rights of the military to bare arms? That is an idiotic argument, you didn't think that through at all). Here is the definitions: "a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.synonyms:armed forces · army · forces · services · soldiery · navy · air force · marines · special forcesa military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army.synonyms:armed force · force · military detachment · military unit · unit · platoon · brigade · regiment · squadron · battalion · company · legion · corps · troops · soldiersall able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service." As such every person is part of the militia and by definition have the right to bare arms. Lets look at the historica context: "A militia is generally an army or some other fighting organization of non-professional soldiers, citizens of a country, or subjects of a state, who may perform military service during a time of need, as opposed to a professional force of regular, full-time military personnel, or to members of a warrior nobility class." So again, as one can see the militia is the citizen in and of themselves.Then you have the words of the people who drafted the constitution themselves who openly stated that all people have the right to bare arms, which is not only in their documentation but also letters, and responses to others (sailors asked if they could out fit their boats with cannons in order to fight off pirates. The founding fathers response was to state that of course, that is what the second amendment states, that they have the right to bare arms and it shall not be infringed (i. e. limited in anyway). So again, you are entirely incorrect on every level.
@Meldrum Like so many "Anti-gun" people, you have TOTALLY misunderstood the 2nd Amendment!Did you not see Penn & Teller's episode of "BULLSHIT" regarding this issue?The Supreme Court RULED, that the RIGHT to Keep and Bear arms IS AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT, AND NOT IN ANY WAY to be construed as requiring membership in a Militia, or the National Guard!District of Columbia vs. Heller, 2008www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf "1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess afirearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm fortraditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.Pp. 2–53."
no other western country will survive
As usual you have no idea what you are talking about. You just make shit up without having any real knowledge.
That must be why an estimated 500,000-3,000,000 lives are saved every year through the defensive use of firearms. https://youtu.be/2iFo1TrYMq4The only people peeing their pants are criminals when they encounter an armed civilian, and for good reason, we know how to use our guns and they don't.
If you live in an area of low crime, sure. But not everyone is so privileged to live in an area in which a home invasion or violent altercation is such a rare occurrence.
@Not_Average Aren't you better off if the person you're having a violent altercation with, or invading your home, doesn't have a gun?
@goaded Sure, if all attackers had guns. In my two life circumstances, they did not have guns. Brandishing my firearm got them to back off. One had a knife and one of those heavy construction rods. If the criminal towers above you, then they can hurt you without another gun
Most criminals obtain firearms illegally since they don’t meet the criteria to legally purchase one. So by banning firearms, you’re only stripping law abiding citizens
@Not_Average That's not so. You're also making it much harder to obtain firearms illegally, making it less likely that criminals will carry a firearm while committing crimes that don't need one (you'll get a longer sentence, and could be arrested for possession before you even commit the crime).
Pro gun owner by the way but look at Australia for a model to follow
@goaded My experience from working in law enforcement showed me that most guns have the serial numbers scratched off and stolen. Sure it might be harder for the criminals to steal them, but that’s not right to the law abiding citizens who own them. A much better solution to is teach gun owners how to lock away and store their weapons. Most democrats think that gun owners like me literally live and breath guns. I own some. I keep them in a safe. I don’t talk about them. Nobody really knows I have them. I never really pull them out unless I want to go to the range which is even a rare occurrence. My guns don’t consume my identity. This stereotype isn’t accurate.
Im just here to give the wanna be American another dislike
@purplepoppy. You have shown a complete lack of understanding of Americans and American culture.by the way, the fucking British are who started our obsession with guns.
@goaded has it spot on. A guns a tool to do a job and should be kept in one locked cabinet and the ammo in a separate locked cabinet. We all have bad days, get pissed off and ready to snap. Having a loaded gun on you is just asking for trouble.
@Lιʅʅყ Australia, no thanks..The people should have access to any weapons the police do.
@KrakenAttackin Why? The police are outnumbered by the people thousands to one. If there's a real reason for overthrowing the government, sheer weight of numbers should do it. Of course, if you want a small minority of fanatics to be able to take over the government, that's the way to achieve it.Under His Eye.
@goaded"Aren't you better off if the person you're having a violent altercation with, or invading your home, doesn't have a gun?"Yes, but the problem with so many anti-gun arguments is that they are one sided. First of all, very few home invaders will have a gun on them. Second, homeowners with guns not only stop large numbers of crimes, but they also act as a huge deterrent. Convicted criminals have consistently said over many years that homeowners with guns are a much bigger deterrent than cops.A homeowner with a gun has an advantage over a home invader with a gun. Without either having a gun, that advantage significantly decreases and may even give the advantage to the invader.It's intuitive that more guns will translate to more gun crimes. But people ignore the other side of the equation. They look at one side, not the net effect. They don't look at the crimes being stopped. And they don't look at the deterrent effects.Aside from what's intuitive, the empirical evidence strongly suggests that guns are NOT the cause of increased violent crimes. The empirical evidence shows that something else is the major cause. As long as people keep focusing on guns, they are avoiding looking for the real cause. Guns make an easy scapegoat. It's easier to point fingers at guns than to look for more complex and deeper social issues.
@WindAtMyBack Much like it's the love of money that's the root of all evil, not the money itself?A violent society with fewer guns is safer than a violent society with more guns. Does fear-mongering about people taking away your guns make a society more or less violent, do you think?By the way, I realise that the situation in the US is probably beyond redemption, but some regulation is popular and practical; the problem is people like the Republican party and the modern NRA (it started out quite reasonable, aiui). Stopping people convicted of violent crime from possessing firearms seems quite reasonable, for example. Temporarily stopping people accused of the same is also reasonable (part of a restraining order, for example). Both of those would be fought tooth-and-nail (ironically) as being a slippery slope to taking away all the gunz. People in, say, the UK, have guns - they just have to have a good reason.
Most invaders don't carry weapons because they know it massively increases the sentence they'll get if caught. This means that you can't claim self defence if you kill a burglars. You simply can't argue you were in danger from an unarmed man at distance. No judge can sentence you to death for theft yet every gun enthusiast believes he has the right to execute the most minor of criminals.
purplepoppy is correct. A gun in the home is way more likely to end up injuring or killing yourself or a family member than warding off an intruder. I am all for self defense but I would rather have my trusty softball bat handy than live with a gun. And good luck unlocking your gun cabinet and getting things all loaded up properly in time to use that gun for protection. If someone dares to break into my house while I'm there, I will be swinging for the fences. And I swing HARD. :)
Guns are more common in the UK than most people realize. But unless you want one for a legitimate reason such as hunting/sport or pest control then it's viewed by the public that you shouldn't have one. Guns must be kept locked up and cabinets are inspected by the police. One positive thing about gun licences in the uk is you must not have a criminal record and that fact is often enough to keep people on the straight and narrow because they don't want to lose their licence.
Where did you hear that nonsense, CNN? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, there's over a million home invasions while the owner is present every year in the US and the number of negligent discharges (all of which the user is at fault) is less than 100 and the number of defensive uses of firearms every year is over a million. Ok, then you use a soft ball bat against two assailants, one of which has a gun, which is the statistical norm for deadly force encounters. And that's exactly why I keep guns ready for use and closeby. You can't be for self defense and against guns at the same time as a firearm is the only viable form of self defense. And that last claim is another entirely baseless claim and doesn't even pass the sniff test. 70% of deadly force encounters where the victim had a gun end without a problem once their firearm is drawn and the perpetrator gives up or runs away. There are zero documented cases where a legally armed civilian shot a criminal for a petty crime or any crime that wasn't a violent felony in which their life was at immediate risk from them. But by all means live in your fairytale land and know that no matter what laws pass regarding guns, I won't comply and the police in my area won't enforce them because I back the blue, and the blue backs me.
@Rangers Fuckwad, I can list about a half dozen instances among friends and family alone where a gun led to the death or near death of an unintended victim. I cannot list a single instance where a gun stopped an intruder. And I guarantee if I hear you rustling outside my house, trying to gain access to my wicked hot ass, I will exit out the opposite door you attempt to enter, calmly saunter outside and around to the door your sorry ass broke into, see your ugly, shadowy self, raise up my bat from behind you, and send you directly home to Jesus. And I will feel zero remorse. In fact, I may even desecrate your corpse, just for shits and giggles. Stay off my property, dicklick. And kindly go fuck yourself. And I hope CNN shows the pics of your corpse, with my bat sticking out of your asshole, to send a warning to Trumptarded insurrectionists all over this once great land. :)
@supercutebutt You are LYING. Stop with the stupid, brainwashed, left wing, liberal, gibberish. You are a 20 year old female. The only thing on which you are an authority is getting fucked.You want our guns? "Come and take them".
And every other western nation is constantly teetering between fascism and communism.By the way, the "your gun will be used against you" argument is invalid as most, if not all, the studies that claim that never actually say it's *your* gun that gets used against you, just that you're more likely to get shot if using a gun against someone.Like pretty much everything else I see you post on here, your arguments have no basis in reality.
@gotc147 Well said.
@gotc147 you sure you want to have a go at other countries "teetering" while you've got home grown terrorists storming the capitol and trying to overturn the results a democratic election? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
@Tyrael The homegrown terrorists you speak of are BLM and Antifa who have committed terroristic acts over the last four years.There was nothing terroristic about the Capitol riot. There was no organization, no goal, and very little violence on the part of the rioters.
@gotc147 Just five people dead in a matter of hours among thousands of "protesters". No, not that violent.
@goaded One died because she was unjustifiably shot in the neck by Secret Service and three others died of medical episodes. Compared to dozens murdered, hundreds injured and billions of dollars in damage from Antifa and BLM.You would have been outraged had a leftist protestor been killed like that during say, a hypothetical defense of Minneapolis 3rd Precinct.
@gotc147 since when was being beaten to death with a fire extinguisher called a "medical episode" gtfo here with your dumbass attempts at justifications.
@Tyrael Would love to know where you get your fantasies from.
@gotc147 Trump encouraged the violence. Biden never encouraged violence. Your logic is fucked.
You guys should all know that @Supercutebutt is not a females its a crazy Male SJW who doesn't believe im gender labels
@gotc147 She was shot climbing through a window over a barricade with representatives on the other side and a mob behind her, it was totally justified.
@supercutebutt yes this is Trumps America not Biden he stole it and its 2A all day at least im not a crazy leftist rainbow supporter and support 8 years old being mutilated so they "transition" lime you did
@Fuentes No, he didn't steal it, that's why Biden's president.
@Fuentes Trump lost the electoral college 306-232. Trump lost the popular vote by over 7 million. Anybody who refuses to believe this is either stupid or mentally ill. You need to step into reality or else your life will be a complete waste. :) Also, I am a moderate not a "leftist." Meanwhile, you are an unemployed, QAnon, extremist weirdo.
@goaded You see this is why I don't debate you, you make up fantasies to try to justify your positions.
@supercutebutt You have that exactly backwards.
@gotc147 You have that exactly backwards.
https://youtu.be/ISFU5ehObC0Spoiler alert: You'll try to come to my house with a bat and I'll shoot you through your heart and you'll fall down and take the floor temperature challenge. The memes about you trying to kill me with a bat will surface immediately
Plus, I guarantee you can't even lift a bat and I'd never invade someone's home because I'm not a criminal, unlike you.
@supercutebutt i think you're self projecting and you're unemployed and want free stuff from the government you're just making up excuses your a clear democrat if you wanted BIDEN to win and nope you're crazy and insane if you think BIDEN had more VOTES then OBAMA and the fact that when Biden does things nobody shows uo but when Trump does things everyone shows up thats a clear sign the election was a lie and in California the voter booths didn't even ID the voters for some odd reason and some immigrants said they were even able to vote this year and that's cpewr voter fraud thr election is a SHAM
@supercutebutt so Obama ran against Mcain and Romey and ge still didn't have as many votes as Biden why? Especially in the black community who racist Joe Biden said you not black for voting for me a big ass joke also Trump has hella supporters your speaking like everyone in the US hated him ur wrong just look at all his events lol look at the capitol no way Biden won
Reread the hilarous threat you made to me and then tell someone else that they're crazy for calling it how it is that you're completely uninformed and out of your mind. And apparently you didn't learn about trying to target people with guns after what happened in Kenosha when three sex offenders, one of which had a gun tried to attack Kyle Rittenhouse and two of them took the asphalt temperature challenge and the other had most of his arm blown off.
@Rangers If you break into my house, I will send you directly to Jesus. That isn't a threat. That is my legal right. I can end you if you try to rape and murder me. Don't you want to meet Jesus?
I'm not gay, nor a monster, so I'd never rape you or anyone. Good to see you finally acknowledge a right to self defense exists, too bad you think it only exists for you and still think a bat is a viable weapon for self defense and you haven't mentioned how exactly you plan on being able to conceal and quickly deploy that bat when you're in public and some shitbird tries to kidnap you? Sooner or later you'll have to come to terms with the reality that firearms are the only viable means of self defense, you can acknowledge it now and get a gun, or wait until you're tied up and in a cartels truck wishing you'd had a gun on you when they snatched you. Think about that and acknowledge that I never want to see that happen to anyone including you, despite how idiotic and delusional you are. Threatening people who have guns when you admit that you don't have one is pretty stupid and if you do it to the wrong person, say a cartel member, that's how you get killed. They kill and dismember people every day for no reason at all, so don't put a target on your back without at least having a way to give them a reason why they should go back where they came from when they meet you.
@Rangers What is this cartel business? I live in Michigan. I am not worried about cartels. Where do you live?
Texas, somewhat close to the border. But I've been threatened by cartels for a long time because I started fucking with their online crime scamming "business" when I was in Connecticut and they've been threatening me ever since. I didn't have guns until I came to Texas and God knows what they would've done to me if they'd known i had no gun up there. Those members literally have nothing better to do, if you were to make them mad, they'll travel to Michigan, it's best not to take that chance and make yourself a target by acting hard and making your anti gun stance known at the same time. Cartel members are weak, pathetic losers and they know it, too, that's why they're so barbaric and do such unthinkable things to random people, to make themselves feel powerful and scare others. Even if there's 10 of them, they'll scatter away as soon as one of them goes down because they want victims, not fighters. A bat won't do it, a firearm will. I've never seen a cartel continue to engage a civilian after the civilan fired back, that's if there's any cartel members left at that point.
Cartels are armed to the teeth and kill each other for fun. If they wanted you dead you'd be dead by now. Being armed doesn't prevent a shot in the back of your head or your car being bombed. I think you live in a fantasy world.
They don't go after me because they know I'm armed and willing to fight back, cartels are unintelligent and unsophisticated, hence why they don't mess with explosives because they'll just end up blowing themselves up. I'm constantly aware of my surroundings and everyone around me and wear concealed body armor wherever I go. Cartel members can't hit the broadside of a barn and I train every single day my emotional and spiritual fitness as well as my shooting skills. If they decide to roll up, I'll make them wish they hadn't. They know that, which is the only reason they haven't tried anything with me yet. I do look forward to it in a way because I'll have the honor of taking at least one of them off of the streets. You're a spoiled British girl who's never worked a day in her life and concerns herself with how an objectively superior country runs themselves and thinks anyone here cares. You live in a fairytale land, which is why people fled your country to the colonies in the first place.
@Rangers It is possible that you are a paranoid schizophrenic. Your concerns don't sound rational to me.
crazyshit.com/.../75562-mother-of-hell-the-most-brutal-video-of-2020-is-hereYou don't even know what a paranoid schizophrenic means, and I simply acknowledge that evil exists in this world. Cartel members have shot out windows at my workplace 3 times and sent me messages asking me if I liked the "redecorating" they did. There's no denying that they're after me, but they lack the balls to roll up on me because they know they have no chance of survival if they do and I'll be just fine. If you think that video is bad, you should see the videos they've been sending me for years
@Tyrael I'll leave you folks that love the idea of having a gun in your possession when you've never been attacked, invaded in your home, or threatened with gun violence. Good luck with that and I'll see you at the morgue.
So just wait until it happens so you can be totally unprepared for it? Great plan, I'm sure that'll workout great for you and evil definitely won't come your way knowing that you have absolutely no means of resisting it when it arrives👍
@gotc147 arguing with goaded? blocked him last week. he just ran out of real arguments to make
@Meldrum I honestly have no idea what you're on about.
@supercutebutt your a MALE thats jealous and insecure about what im packing and im comfortable in my skin and your not lol
@purplepoppy lol you live in the true fantasy world you talk as if you live here and keep talking about the US in third person like your actually here and trying to tell Americans how it is when you never even lives in America all you do is watcg the fake NEWs and you think you seen it all in your safe uk enviorement where your cops get beat upand over powered and rape is super sky high WHY because y'all choose to not have weapons and the immigrants come to your country and wreck havoc but see here in the almighty USA bodies drop if you get outta line and that's our countries right thats why you lobster backs got sent packing home so mind your business and kee your delusional fantasies and vicariously livings to yourself
@supercutebutt you admitted you were from Michigan it all makes sense now no wonder your a confused SJW, you're clearly poor and see America in a false view because you live in crap everyday but if you did something to change your situation and lived in a better enviorement you would no longer think you deserve free stuff nor would u be a confused male sjw no longer
@Fuentes I am wealthy (stock genius) and I live in the richest county in the state. Good try, though.
@supercutebutt yeah their is nothing rich about michigan it's a 3rd world state bad unemployment rates, dirty brown water, ghost town cities & broke people even the governor is being sued for his ignorance in that state, you're clearly struggling lol
@Fuentes The governor who was sued is the old Republican governor who mishandled the Flint water crisis. I don't live near Flint. I live in the wealthiest county, as I stated earlier.
@supercutebutt Michigan is a third world state their is nothing wealthy about it stop lying lol you Defenitley live in LALA LAND.
@supercutebutt BS, guns don't just get up and shoot, just like a knife in the cutting block doesn't get up and stab someone. If it's in a safe, it's useless.
@KrakenAttackin lol, so true
At least we die trying, maybe take a few of them with us...
@supercutebutt You and your bat would be quickly separated, you would be raped and/or killed. Damn, so many liberal women like you are so fucking delusional, you think you are "invincible" when in fact you are totally vulnerable.The hell of it is you would IMPOSE your vulnerability on the rest of us, and frankly I will not tolerate it.
Yeah, and they are shittier then the US. I mean the UK has more murders per year then the US does (well, as long as we actually define a murder as an intentionally killing as we do in the US unlike in the UK where you define it as a murder only if a conviction occurs). We also have fewer assaults then the UK does. And fewer knife attacks. And fewer acid attacks. In fact if we look at the US we have in general, a decrease in crime in all the areas that have concealed carry. Its almost as if people don't want to fuck with you if they know you can defend yourself, weird right? Probably why the UK put so much effort to prevent all of their subjects and colonies from having guns, like Ireland, India, and the US (tried and failed to limit our access to weapons), you know for our own good and not to make sure we couldn't fight against them when they fucked us over.
@hellionthesagereborn so the UK has more murders so long as you fiddle with how you count the stats? Convenient lol. It's not a proven murder if they're not convicted of murder.The reason we have more assaults and less murders is precisely because we're not all armed with deadly weapons. And a knife attack is significantly less dangerous than a gun attack, doesn't matter how you try and spin it. And yes limiting access to firearms for your enemies is a good way not to have them used against you. Kind of like what we've done here in the UK and Australia for example. Not had a single mass shooting for years as a result. You fail to make a valid point.
@hellionthesagereborn Wrong. The UK counts dead bodies, same as everywhere else. The only difference is that when there is a conviction, the murder is recorded in that year, not the year it took place. That makes things look bad when there's a mass murder, (Shipman 173 over decases, recorded in 2003, Hillsborough 96, from 1989, in 2017), but generally evens out.In 2018, the UK murder rate was 1.20 murders per million population. US had 4.96."In the year ending March 2019, there were 662 separate homicide incidents" in England and Wales, population nearly 60 million.www.ons.gov.uk/.../yearendingmarch2019en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
@hellionthesagereborn Why are you giving me the same link I just gave you that backs up what I said? Quote the part you think proves me wrong.
@goaded Because it doesn't state what you claim it does. It literally states that they do not count a murder until their is a conviction while in the US any death that is not deemed natural or suicide is in fact deemed a murder. This artificialy deflates the UK's numbers. How the hell do you manage to survive? Do you want me to get the quote? Here: "Homicide Index data are based on the year when the offence was recorded as a crime, not when the offence took place or when the case was heard in court. While in the vast majority of cases the offence will be recorded in the same year as it took place, this is not always so. Caution is therefore needed when looking at longer-term homicide trends. For example:the 96 deaths that occurred at Hillsborough in 1989 were recorded as manslaughters in the year ending March 2017 following the verdict of the Hillsborough Inquest in April 2016the 173 homicides attributed to Dr Harold Shipman3 as a result of Dame Janet Smith’s inquiry took place over a long period of time but were all recorded by the police during the year ending March 2003Furthermore, where several people are killed by the same suspect, the number of homicides counted is the total number of victims killed rather than the number of incidents. For example, the victims of the Manchester Arena bombing in May 2017 are counted as 22 individual homicides.For the purposes of the Homicide Index, a suspect in a homicide case is defined as either:a person who has been charged with a homicide offence, including those who were subsequently convicted and those awaiting triala person who is suspected by the police of having committed the offence but is known to have died or committed suicide.Where there are multiple suspects, they are categorised in the Homicide Index as either the principal or a secondary suspect. There is only ever one principal suspect per homicide victim."
@hellionthesagereborn Once again, you prove you can't read."the offence was recorded as a crime, not when the offence took place or when the case was heard in court. While in the vast majority of cases the offence will be recorded in the same year as it took place"When you find a murdered body, it's recorded as a murder, and you record the offence when you find the body, that's all. That's nothing to do with when the murderer is convicted. Some, rare, times, it takes a long time to establish whether people died by natural causes or were killed (e. g. Hillsborough). Unless you can prove three quarters of murders go undetected in the UK (and none in the US), the murder rate is clearly four times as high in the US.
@goaded Wow your stupid. You literally quoted it and then ignored it. Insane. It doesn't get recorded in official records until a conviction occurs, it states it and you just ignored it entirely, I will never understand how some one can be that fucking insane.
@hellionthesagereborn You misunderstand the difference between recording a crime and conviction for a crime. If someone steals your wallet and you report it to the police, that will be recorded as a crime, even if nobody is ever caught for it; same with murder.The US murder rate is 4 times the UK rate.
@goaded You should probably read that again. It literally states that it isn't recorded as a murder when it happens or when the trial occurs but when their is a conviction, otherwise it is not labeled a murder (not saying thye don't note it, only that by their own words they do not record it as a murder unless they have a conviction which is why by their own words, the year to year data is not accurate as these things overlap and the crime happens in one year and the conviction happens in another). I'm sorry that your confused by what is clearly stated, perhaps you should reread it several times so you can understand it better (I did, just to make sure I was reading it correctly because it sounds like a pretty stupid system).
@hellionthesagereborn Show me some variant on the word "conviction" in what you quoted (where it's talking about counting murders, not defining suspects in the case of multiple murders).The point still stands that, with both police and Home Office figures, the number is consistently close to 1 (0.8 - 1.8) case per million people, even if there is sometimes a extra peak (like 2003's 1.8, due entirely to multiple murderer Harold Shipman). The US figure is closer to 5.(One link does say that police figures include killings that are sometimes later recorded as manslaughter in court, but also that the "term “homicide” covers the offences of murder, manslaughter and infanticide", so that evens out.) The figures would have to be out by a factor of four to make your fantasy that the UK has more murders per capita than the US, let alone a factor of 20, to match your original simple claim of "more murders".
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I thought michigan was rural but legitimately relying on hunting to eat sounds crazy to me, I didn't think the south was that rural, I love countryside over brick&mortar but I also enjoy being pampered with fast food and such
all true, we of course might also need to execute government officials without trial someday
But what is the numbers of crimes or victims made by the weapons?
@Alexandrubaschet08 about 30k per year, if you remove suicides (b/c a person determined to kill themselves doesn’t need a gun) that drops to under 15k. So upwards of 500k lives saved, and 15k murders!
yes you in clud olso the suicide because it can be whit the gun as well. And olso includ thous 500k of crimes did by the gun owners because they are criminal.What if my son don't tell me nothing and i don't have an idea what he is doing (make something ilegal) and you kill him, how i'm supose to deal whit that? The guns kill lifes, don't save them. How many of thous criminals have legal guns? A lot. Why do people need to have guns when they can go crazy in this life afther and kill others?BAN THE GUNS AMERICA!
@Alexandrubaschet08 Okay, there seems to be a problem with the interface between your seat, and your keyboard, almost every single word is misspelled! It’s almost impossible to read your reply. It’s definitely impossible to take you seriously when you cannot spell words like “with,” “those”, “Illegal”, or “could”. It’s also full of double negatives, and BOTH tense agreement, and subject-verb agreement errors! Yet you actually want me to take you seriously? Just about the only pseudo-legible part was where you claimed, that “SELF DEFENSE” is a crime? Just WOW!
i don't give a F about English just take it like that and deal whit it, you don't talk my language so shut the F up
@Alexandrubaschet08 Wait... Did you just ask someone who didn’t say a word, but instead TYPED her answer, to “shut-up”? Ahhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha 😆🤣😂😆
Don't underestimate the importance of the choice of weapons in suicide. I think it's really superficial to say "if one wants to kill himself, he doesn't need a gun"... Have you even imagined how different it is, trying to kill yourself with a knife rather then a gun? The bigger the expected suffering, the harder the choice.
@Vencam Yes! Actually I have! After my uncle raped me on my 13th birthday, all I wanted to do was die! There is NO WAY that I would have used a gun! if you did even a modicum of research, you would find that suicide with guns is mostly men, women tend to overdose or cut our wrists. Also, to a lesser extent, hanging! I lost a friend to suicide, and she cut her wrists! It’s just something girls seem to do! Also there were 5,691 suicides in England in 2019, 421 In Ireland, 833 in Scotland. And the suicide rate for females has increased 93.8% since 2012... and NO guns! People determined to kill themselves, will find a way, they don’t need guns. When ALL you want to do is die, you don’t give a shit about the short term pain... you’re already in tremendous pain mentally, you just want it to end! The gun is just a tool!
That is a great explanation. Seems I was the superficial one this time, thanks for explaining this so clearly
@Vencam No problem, and your welcome.
I think you’ve been watching too much Rambo, America’s infatuation with guns has very little to do with self protection but their obsession with the “good guy with a gun” BS
@Erik-7 for me personally it is self defense and possible protection of others. End of story. Goodbye
That gun is more likely to kills than to protect you or anyone from any danger you may perceive yourself to be in
@Erik-7 ok. Well that's your opinion. You're entitled to it obviously
Get a better door, get a window sealing system like most Germans have.Get an electro-shock gun, spray with pepper.And if weapons were restricted, then the number of crimes and vandalism would decrease. This will ensure you more protection.
@Alexandrubaschet08 that doesn't solve the problem of the guy in my house in the middle of the night now does it? I don't want no tasergun or pepper spray aerosol bottle. I love my guns. I don't want to do without my guns. Besides I can get attacked outside the house too. What do you suggest there? If the assailant has a gun what good will a pepper spray do me?No thanks. I'll choose my bullets over anything less. Besides our 2nd amendment secure rights for me to do so.God bless America and the constitution
@Erik-7 actually 150,000 to 4 million felonies are prevented per year by armed citizens in america
@007kingifrit yeah bro. MURICA 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲LAND OF THE FREE... HOME OF THE BRAVE
I agree this is a good response
Nu te opreste nimeni fata mea sa iei o arma non letala. Pistol cu electrosocuri, sprei cu piper, o bata telescopica.Persoana pe care o impusti poate are probleme mentale si este o persoana importanta pentru o familie sau prieteni. Cine esti tu sa il omori?
Thumbed down my answer. Typical racial biased Caucasian
You're three times more likely to survive a knife wound than a bullet wound, and you can run away from someone with a knife, or put a barrier between you.In the London Bridge terrorist attack in 2017, three terrorists killed two people with their van, and six by stabbing (plus 48 injured). Don't you think they would have killed more than two people each, had they had firearms?
But other people don't feel safe when you have a gun.
I think that, if we maybe exposed people more like inner city people that have a phobia of guns to firearms and weapons safety they would become avid supporters of the 2A!
@Alexandrubaschet08 people have a right to self defense bc of the constitution and feelings are secondary
Owning a gun increas the risk of crimes and suicides. The constitution of your is a shi*t
Alex I can't tell if you're really that ignorant or just trolling
@Totkopf If i had a gun i can kill you when ever i want :) I will melt the gun afther, burn my clothes, it will be night and dark. I don't know you, you don't know me so it will not be any conection. I'm not from your city and don't buy nothing from it. Just come kill and run. One of the perfect crime.
Boy I'd smack some sense into you but shit splatters!
@Totkopf Lucky you i'm not in USA and have no wapen to shot you.
Good job eileen, as to Alexander, boy enough with the queer sex, your gonna catch HIV bro.
@yofuknutz I don't think so, i know wher to finde my parteners, i don't do sex whit bi*ch
@Alexandrubaschet08 That makes *you* a coward, not her.
I live in Denmark, and I also live in the United states. (Not at the same time) While in Denmark, even though I live downtown the capital Copenhagen, I feel completely safe without a gun. I walk after dark, and sleep fine no worries. When I'm in the United states I always carry, and I carry chambered. The reason is simple:In Denmark, should I get attacked or burglarized, the odds of the bad guy having a gun is slim, and he knows the odds of me having one is pretty close to zero. There's no way it will ever come to shooting. In the states it's a different story. The bad guy will be armed, because he know I will most likely be armed too
@kimbim the governament will take all the legan guns away even for some criminals that own guns in legal way. So Danemark have a bether sistem if you know you can't get so easy shot and kill. Not like in USA wher any drunk person can shot who they want just because they misunderstand "take it easy" whit "take it pu**y"
@Alexandrubaschet08 You fear people having guns, pro-gun people have no such fear.
@gotc147 I don't know what come in the life of such a person and make him go crazy and start shoting somebody, that somebody it can be me
@Alexandrubaschet08 when I was suicidal I'd have done it regardless. I was so desperate. They protect my family from crimes. As I used to live in a city with a high crime rate, that wasn't safe. Criminals are still gonna find guns.
yes, but the criminals whit less gun. That olso mean les posibilitys of criminals whit guns to come to you. So is bether. Because moust of the criminals in USA have legan wapens so it will be easy to take them back.
Please folks don't waste your time with the troll Alexander he probably has HIV early dementia by now this is what happens when you take it up the ass like he does your brain is fried
@yofuknutz Reported to bad i don't have HIV, i whas lucky if i pass it to your mom afther last night :P
Oh I report you was a troll stop living that kind Lifestyle
@yofuknutz You are more idi*t the you think. I talking serios about evrething i say.
That's funny you should say that because your grammar tells me otherwise I mean my kid spells better than you
@yofuknutz at last i can speach more language the a dump American like you can. You want all the country to talk English? This is what you got, so deal whit it. I didn't ask to learn English, i never wanted to so i have the right to talk as the hel* i want _|_
hiv-infected treasonous bastards that's what you are in any language. When the government puts you in the gulag remember this conversation.
So like I said it's just different from country to country. Alexandra, you seem to have only picked up on the fact that I don't carry while I am in Denmark. I clearly said that in the us I always carry. It's just different yo. It ain't like I want the American way in Denmark but neither do I want us to get disarmed, and it ain't gonna happen neither.. how would you do it? Go door to door? 257 million people?
@Alexandrubaschet08 wouldn't need a weapon to break a little twiggy like you.If you would shut up and listen to your parents and grandparents what who knew what it was like to live under a tyrannical government you wouldn't be spouting off at the mouth so ignorantly.
@kimbim Put huge sanction on thous who have already woapens if they don't bring them to ge governament. Ban for the same time all the right to buy guns, whntile the governament finish to take back all the legal guns and automat fire wapens. Afther police can stop invastigating new crime and can concentrate on thous who are already made and the police that get free from some crime work will start to work to get back all the ilegal wapens.
@Alexandrubaschet08 bruh, first of all, why? Why should the us change our/their gun laws? The constitution states that people can be armed. Lots of my friends and family in the usa have guns. I have guns. It's just the way it is in the USA. Britain drive on the wrong side. Germany has no speed limit. Different countries are different. There is no perfect country!!!
@Andres77 Dud i'm from Romania, the only damn country whi use woapens vs communist and try to kill them as much posible. You are an ignorant.It take hundred of thousend of life because we did that. Is one of the grates atrocity in my history country. Look at Czech they get free from tirany just prostesting. No fire arms, no guns no nothing, just words, paper and flags
@Alexandrubaschet08 dude, if you're from Romania, why are you obsessing over us gun laws?
@kimbim Becaus basketball and i don't want to be shot for living my dream. :) I want to come in a safe country wher i will not need to akt fake in order to not be kill
@Alexandrubaschet08 so you won't even be a citizen? Sucks. Go to a cozy rich area in California if you're concerned maybe?
I hope for Florida, hope ther will no be any guns when i come ther so i will not be shot by a psiho person
@Alexandrubaschet08 I have lived in the usa part time since forever, and trust me, noone will just pop up and randomly shoot you. I feel just as safe in the us as I do in Denmark Tons of tourists come to the United states every year. A million immigrants every year. Unless you provoke or rape or break and enter or something, trust me, noone will shoot you. I carry my gun almost everywhere, my wife too, but we rarely actually shoot anyone
@Alexandrubaschet08 bro!!! Noone will!!!
No no noooo, there are TONS of americans just waiting for unsuspecting romanians to come here to play basketball so we can just start blasting. So stay in Romania, lay off that whiskey, and leave that cocaine be!
@Totkopf You guys have olso a lot of whiskey that you waste it, we come to help you. I will take my risk. Whntile somebody shot you, you guys will not suport the guns to be baned.
Dude is a straight cook case. These are the types of people that want to take your guns away because they a selfish pussy and the recoil from an AR would bruise their shoulder 🥺 it make big scary bang bang and then people dieded... 😭😭 This is terrible we need to take away guns so criminals can more easily murder and steal from me and my family. What's interesting is this guy really wants to shoot me for seemingly just wanting to own guns. Which is why I want to own guns. This man is the sole reason EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE GUNS. ^^^^^^^^^^^
@Totkopf Why only in USA the number of crimes made by guns are so big comparing whit Europ and Canada, Australia, place that have a very safe life.I whas in more then 10 country and i didn't meet any criminal who have a gun.The criminals will have more dificul acces to woapens. What can't understand. Evrywhere you look, afther the country ban the guns the crimes get lower. Self protection whas in Europ in sentuary 17-18. The police provide you protection. In Romania if you have a legal gun you will be stop to be inspected by any police oficer that you pass by them because they are dangerous. Guns kill people and people have no right to do that. Who are you to kill another human? You have no right on the life of any other person then yourself.
@Totkopf BAN ALL THE GUNS IN USA!
KILL ALL GYPSIES!
Bro those question things you post are so scuffed... Anybody that has to come on here for advice on how not to sound creepy will never have a chance in the world
@Totkopf I agree whit you for the gypses. :)
@Alexandrubaschet08 bro literally noone is gonna kill you. Damn bruh, if we killed people in the us at the rate you imagine, there wouldn't be nobody alive!!!"Take your chances " omg I don't think you really understand. It's not like anyone is gonna wait for a chance to shoot at you. I'm a foreigner, or kinda, and noone shot me (at least not yet)Unless you seriously provoke people or do something crazy like break into a house you ain't gonna get shot If you are this cripplingly scared of guns thou, you might not want to go to the usBut otherwise take some of your American friends/ contact/host whatever and have them take you to the range and shoot an hour or two yourself so you at least know how it works and stuff My 13 year old boy shot ar and rifle and handgun and everything. He ain't scared. Have you ever heard of a tourist in the us getting randomly killed off for walking down the street?
@Alexandrubaschet08 Go back to watching CNN
@Mr_Dangerous bro I feel sorry for this guy. I've never heard of anyone who thought this way. European people find it funny and weird and stuff the 2nd amendment. I have a friend who will only visit me in the us if I pack up my guns... but this guy is crazy scared lol
@Alexandrubaschet08 oh that is the point bro!! That is why she have a gun duh!
@kimbim I've seen worse cases, like our current "president" biden, taking care of trans bathrooms as the first thing right when he became prez officially LOL And that fukwit will want to take our guns so thank your state if they veto his order.
Yea that was his priority first thing in office lol. RidiculousI won't be giving up my guns, going for a classic boat ride when that day comes
I kinda doubt he will follow through this gun deal seriously
Best case scenario is we get a lull, 4 years of basically just stagnation.
@Totkopf yeah but I meant the guns. 2and amendment. He ain't gonna touch it. It'll be worse than the tiny protests a few days ago where they ... um... breached the door... so to say..
No I understood you clearly, I'm just saying that under this administration all that happens is we get biden gaffes flooding the media for 4 years.. no civil war bullshit or kamala invoking 25th.
That's what I'm hoping for I didn't mean to frame it in such a way like I know this will happen lol
@Totkopf lol... well we're gonna see what happens... my wife and I still own an apartment overseas so we can still flee if it goes to hell...
Good idea, I was thinking switzerland if I have the resources. Best of luck to you brother
@Totkopf and you as well
@Alexandrubaschet08 and? I don't feel safe that they want to take my right to bare arms away from me. Makes me think that they are trying to disarm me because they want to hurt me (you know, like every other government that has disarmed the populace). So now what? Who's feelings matter more now mine or other peoples?
any sources for any of that?
You're just making stuff up without actually knowing anything about it.
Actually, hunters aren’t “trained” the way you think they are. 9/10 times their grandfather taught them through target practice with squirrels in the backyard. No safety, no glasses, no ear muffs. Then at the age of 16 years old or younger they go to the boat dock and get their license to hunt. 🙌🏼🙌🏼
You're suggesting there weren't guns in Germany in 1945?
haha. @goaded there were plenty, but these girls didn't have any. If have gun, shoot one in the head before the other 60 shoot you. As the movie "Planet of the Apes" said so well... "guns are power".
You think that "these girls" would have been effective against seasoned soldiers?
@goaded no.. still going to die. die fast without being gang raped and shoot leader maybe.
No, and its a good decision, whether its for sport, hunting, home defense, or if you want to join a militia, not sure what the laws are like in SA but Id look into it
It's not easy these days. Especially for an immigrant.
Are you an immigrant to South Africa? Do you have dual citizenship?
@DJB72 or rather do you still hold citizenship of your original country?
I'm English, 100%. Still a UK citizen but have resident status in SA
Police would no longer be charged with murder and attempted murder. In the situation where you are a girl you are more careful. Be careful where you go, be careful what kind of people you interact with, be careful what time you go out. Even with a gun at hand as a girl, the psychopathic criminal shot you first without warning. If weapons were banned, such crazy criminals would be reduced.
@Alexandrubaschet08 If guns were made illegal, criminals wouldn't have guns because they would obey the law. Hahahahahahahahaha!
@Alexandrubaschet08 But criminals already don't follow laws. What makes you think they would follow gun laws?
Why would you even point those examples out if you don't even care about considering what they mean?It's not like disarming citizens is inherently totalitarist. Which is exactly why Germany didn't change much about that even after and so many countries adopted a similar approach to gun control.Japan can be a good example of that, even from before the WW
Disarming citizens is inherently... a totalitarist move... there's no argument about that, what's libertarian about the government coming into your home and taking weapons you want to defend yourself with?The people must be armed so when government tyranny comes, people can rise up instead of accepting it lay down.
Actually, the Nazis laxed gun control laws that were present in Weimar Republic and people could own guns with a permit in the USSR. And the claim that being anti gun means you're pro tyranny argument leaves out a critical fact: lose gun control laws allows authoritarian factions to organize paramilitary units set on depriving others of freedom by locally or nationally forcing out the legal protections of the democratic government. Rebelling against the federal government doesn't necessarily mean that you're pro freedom and this is a fact that Americans should know all too well:
@Ad_Quid_Orator "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Karl MarxThe State is not your friend, people should have the right to arms.
Then it's easier for a rogue faction to take power in the first place and then you have private tyranny (even worse than state tyranny). This is also part of why proprietarianism (incorrectly referred to as "libertarianism" in the US) is actually a totalitarian ideology down to its' core.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgOa9UkCN-w&t=131s
A rogue faction would need significant support to overthrow the state, if the state is overthrown by such a party, then they must have pissed off a lot of people for it to come to that.How is your case even a point for taking people's right to armament? It sounds like a statist's talking point to scaremonger the average person into giving up the way they can defend themselves against YOU.
"Significant" doesn't mean the majority (the Nazis were never elected into power and the Germans having greater access to firearms didn't stop them). And you're totalitarian ass is just looking for excuses to give private unaccountable organizations the means to obtain power and enforce over the rest of us.
Erm... Hitler won the majority of seats in the reichstag in the election just before the enabling act was put in by the reichstag. Nazi Germany is also a complicated issue. The choice was the KPD or the NSDAP and the people of Germany decided to choose the NSDAP. The reason for this extremism is a combination of the bitterness from losing WW1, Versailles and the Great Depression (funny, when people are out of work & homeless they'll listen to extremism)You need to revaluate your point, I don't know at all why you support disarmament of the populace (your fears of some militia rising up and taking over the country are pretty strange, in the whole existence of the US no one has ever done it.) it seems you want disarmament just to further your own hidden agenda and use the State as your way of enforcing it. That's fucked up, man.
Armed rogue factions have a better track record of depriving freedom than an armed population has of restoring it.
They won the plurality of the seats in the Reichstag, not the majority and Hitler was appointed to an executive position by Paul Von Hindenburg and after he died, Hitler obtained absolute power. But we aren't just talking about the US here.
@Vencam yes diarming citizens is inherently totalitarian. it will result in dictatorship everywhereits only a matter of time
@007kingifrit I believe @Ad_Quid_Oretor already made a splendid point of why that isn't the case (to which, I agree).I don't think having a loose gun control gives the populace the kind of "power" you seem to seek (the one to be able to literally fight off an unjust government). The historical events cited up to now can be a good example. I think the Italian fascism could be included as an example too
@Vencam its not a point he countered and it cannot be countered. an unarmed public will end up under a tyrannical government, every time
Just saying something is the way you say it is doesn't make it so. Could you try argumenting that?As said, I think history shows the opposite quite clearly, much like the state of current democracies do
@Vencam the greatest mistake of any generation is to think the current trend of things will always be the trend of things. the age of peace is almost over. the future belongs to the armed. bretton woods will fall in 10 yearsand we seem to have hit a wall. you are just responding "Nuh uH" to my thesis