Why Conservatives hate muslims when they have a lot in common?

[Daniel_Dano]

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My God its actually insane how Ignorant a lot of Conservatives are , I hope they find the truth and not be trapped by their media.

[N192K001]

Christian-conservatives & Muslim-conservatives are bound to disagree based on the CONTENT of what they are trying to conserve, protect, and follow.

Faith in Islam seems to be based on agreement with Allah & Mohamed, in all matters, with no reservations or hesitation.
Quran 4:65
「By your Lord, they will not be true believers until they let you decide between them in all matters of dispute, and find no resistance in their souls to your decisions, accepting them totally-」
https://quran.com/4/65?translations=17,19,20,21,22,85,18,95,84
So, if they have any doubt, disagreement, or hesitation on any matter, they have no faith. They must approve of all Mohamed's words & actions or they have no faith.

What did he say of Christians & Jews?
Surah 5:51
「O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).」
https://quran.com/5/51?translations=17,19,20,21,22,85,18,95,84
Surah 98:6
「Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.」
https://quran.com/98/6?translations=17,19,20,21,22,85,18,95,84
Surah 9:29
「Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i. e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.」
https://quran.com/9/29?translations=17,19,20,21,22,85,18,95,84
Surah 9:30
「The Jews say, “ ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the Son of Allah” and the Christians say, “MasīH (the Christ) is the Son of Allah.” That is their oral statement. They imitate the saying of the earlier disbelievers. May Allah ruin them, how far they are turned back from the truth!」
https://quran.com/9/30?translations=17,19,20,21,22,85,18,95,84
The statement on the Jews on 9:30 is even wrong!

During Mohamed's reign, his own favorite-wife noticed that Muslim-women suffered the worst treatment, compared to women of any other faith.

And of their treatment of girls & women? They are inherently more stupid & immoral compared to us men, according to his so-called prophet. Check-out these hadith:
Sahih al-Bukhari 7:72:715 (5825)
「(23) Chapter: Green clothes
Narrated `Ikrima:
…
It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came, `Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women.
…」
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/77/42
Sahih al-Bukhari 1:6:301 (6:9) (304)
「(6) Chapter: A menstruating women should leave observing Saum (fasting)
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
Once Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) of `Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."」
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/6/9

He'd suck on tongues of little boys!
Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 48:1183 (48:9) (1183)
「(562) Chapter: Wrapping oneself up
It is related that Abu Hurayra said, "I never sae al-Hasan without my eyes overflowing with tears. That is because the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, went out one day and he found me in the mosque. He took my hand and I went along with him. He did not speak to me until we reached the market of Banu Qaynuqa'. He walked around it and looked. Then he left and I left with him until we reached the mosque. He sat down and wrapped himself in his garment. Then he said, 'Where is the little one? Call the little one to me.' Hasan came running and jumped into his lap. Then he put his hand in his beard. Then the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, opened his mouth and put his mouth in his mouth. Then he said, O Allah, I love him, so love him and the one who loves him!'"」
https://sunnah.com/urn/2211390
If you think that's bad, there's another hadith saying that no tongue or lips Mohamed has so mercifully sucked will ever be tormented by Hell. Conveniently, the volume with the verse has never been translated from Arabic.

It was also his habit to have little boys follow him to… relieve himself.
Sahih al-Bukhari 1:4:153 (4:17) (151)
「(16) Chapter: Getting water carried by somebody else for purification (washing one's private parts).
Narrated Anas:
Whenever Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy from us used to go behind him with a tumbler full of water.」
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/4/17

And if marrying and having sex with the child-bride Aisha wasn't enough, he was even planning on another, asking for betrothal with a girl so young, was still being weened.
Sahih al-Bukhari 7:63:182 (68:5) (5255)
「(3) Chapter: Should a man tell his wife face to face that she is divorced
Narrated Abu Usaid:
We went out with the Prophet (ﷺ) to a garden called Ash-Shaut till we reached two walls between which we sat down. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Sit here," and went in (the garden). The Jauniyya (a lady from Bani Jaun) had been brought and lodged in a house in a date-palm garden in the home of Umaima bint An- Nu`man bin Sharahil, and her wet nurse was with her. When the Prophet (ﷺ) entered upon her, he said to her, "Give me yourself (in marriage) as a gift." She said, "Can a princess give herself in marriage to an ordinary man?" The Prophet (ﷺ) raised his hand to pat her so that she might become tranquil. She said, "I seek refuge with Allah from you." He said, "You have sought refuge with One Who gives refuge. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) came out to us and said, "O Abu Usaid! Give her two white linen dresses to wear and let her go back to her family."」
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/67/69
Thank God the man died before the marriage was done!

[N192K001]

The guy is an f—ing control-freak! There are even commands for peeing! And the results of not peeing correctly?
Sunan Ibn Majah 1:374 (1:1:347) (1:81)
「It was narrated that Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah passed by two new graves, and he said: 'They are being punished, but they are not being punished for anything major. One of them was heedless about preventing urine from getting on his clothes, and the other used to walk about spreading malicious gossip.'"」
https://sunnah.com/urn/1253460
Sunan Ibn Majah 1:375 (1:1:348) (1:82)
「It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said:
"The Messenger of Allah said: 'Most of the torment of the grave is because of urine.'"」
https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/1/82

[N192K001]

With that, we can be glad that there are Muslims-in-name-only and/or cultural-Muslims. In general, they should be fine.

As for strictly-conservative Muslims who actually believe everything and will follow all his commands strictly & to the letter, the incompatibilities become greater.

[ManOnFire]

In some sense I suppose you could sort of say that's true. Both tend to infuse their religion into every day aspects like politics and society. And both of them do base their conflicts on religion. However, Muslims are not really as racist as conservatives, and they are often smarter and more educated as people than conservatives are.

If you meet a Muslim from the middle east you can have a conversation with him and he will usually be good-natured. If you meet a conservative American you can often tell by the way they talk and even their body language. Some conservative Americans literally have a kind of smirkish way of carrying themselves.

[Daniel_Dano]

Thank you for that kind answer

[ManOnFire]

I've known both conservatives and middle eastern Muslims, and the Muslims have always been much more pleasant and educated than conservatives.

[Anonymous]

Conservatives do not hate muslims. They hate the agenda of their religious leaders, which is very extreme. I would love to see liberal women go to a country that is under Sharia law and live for one month. A woman has zero rights and is of lesser value than the family dog. For a good example of this, you can find videos taken in Afghanistan during the rule of the Taliban on You Tube. In one video, a woman was drawing water from a well and accidently unconvered her ankle. A Taliban "policeman" saw this and gave her several hard lashes with a whip. You might argue that all muslim countries are not like this. That is true, but these "moderate" muslims are the minority. Go to YouTube and look up the videos of Muslim clerics discussing their plans for taking over western nations. They start by sending a lot of muslims into these democratic countries, such as the UK. They they get together as a group and vote for Muslim candidates. (They managed to elect a Muslim mayor of London, for example). Then those muslim officials create laws to make it easier for more muslims to enter the country. The Islamic leaders on the video said, " We know it will take decades to get enough muslims in a country to enact Sharia, but we are patient!" They are working on one goal, to eventually bring that country under Sharia law. Before you laugh this off, go to You Tube and watch the videos. These clerics do not care if you know this. There are plenty of good muslims who are not a part of this, and many actually do not want Sharia law, but when they go to the mosque and the Imam "suggests," that they vote for a loyal muslim, they will do it. The UK is experiencing a huge problem with the Muslim population right now. They think they now have enough muslims that they do not have to obey British law. They are raping teenage girls almost daily and the police are not really doing anything about it. Again, look this up if you don't believe it.

Oh, one other thing, when you said " the conservatives and THEIR media, you do know that in the US, over 90% of all media is controlled by the left-wing "socialist-loving democrats, don't you? People tend to trust the newscaster on tv. So if they hear the same message from almost all networks, then it has to be true, right? Each morning, every liberal network is given the same set of "talking points" to use for the day. It is propaganda and it is very effective. CNN and MSNBC get caught lying almost daily, but that news is only covered by a few conservative networks. Facebook, Google, Twitter and Amazon are all a part of the liberal disinformation network, too. Conservatives aren't the crazy ones, it is your liberal masters.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Firstly, the media. I mean, I don’t think a lot of people notice the double standard but there is huge double standards on how the media report about non-Muslims and Muslims. For example, the Nashville Christmas bomber who blew himself up- was how the media reported that. Had the dude been a Muslim he would have been an ISIS suicide bomber trying to ruin Christmas! I mean, and the media was continually making excuses for him to the point where it looked like they were trying to write his CV😂And then the American media has this obsession with Hijabis and niqabis being oppressed and the only way they’re liberated is if they take off their hijab, and adhere more to Western culture than they do Islam, like for example, the movie “Hala”, pretty much does that.


Secondly, misunderstanding Islam. I mean what people often do is, they’ll read an English translation of the Quran without any understanding of Classical Arabic whatsoever, or the context these verses are in, or without the input of any kind of Islamic scholar or academic and they’ll apply their own interpretations to it, or they’ll learn from an extremely misinformed unqualified person, and honestly it makes me chuckle😅Because they get so passionate, they’ll be throwing all these verses at you, all these Hadiths- yet they’ll know nothing about the Science of Hadith, you ask them which Mufti or Aalim they get their information from and they won’t even know what either of those are, and Subhanallah, it just goes to show the amount of ignorance people have. I mean one of my favourite things is when people get all self-righteous quoting chapter 9 of the Quran😂Not understanding, that chapter 9 of the Quran specifically refers to defensive war when Islam is under attack as in an enemy wants to exterminate the Muslims for being Muslim. That doesn’t apply to times now, because nobody is waging war on Islam and Muslims.


This is why Akhi, we have to know our deen. We must educate ourselves to correct misconceptions about our religion and we should always invite people to learn about Islam, providing we know Islam ourselves and if we don’t well we have the Internet to go to scholars, and intellectual on Islam and learn. Then when non-Muslims come to us, making these claims, we correct them- and we shouldn’t try and convert anyone because guidance is in the hands of Allah, but what we should do is teach those who are ignorant and willing to learn.


Very good question Akhi.

[Daniel_Dano]

Thank you for such long lovely opinion.

I mean they find it okay when their Christian nuns wear a veil its all freedom but muslim women doing it is not, look what ignorance does to people.

Yes its we that should liberate them from their false ideas and their ignorance , sadly their view on islam is very corrupt and ishaa allah we can correct it.

[SpiderManFan2002]

No worries!☺️

And really, that is so true! I remember one guy on here was trying to justify the fact that nuns can wear their clothes but a hijabi or niqabi is a big no-no🙄🤦🏾‍♀️Married Orthodox Jewish women also cover their hair or wear wigs, but some also wear a tichel which is very similar to the turban style Hijab, and I saw one on Reddit saying that she wears it like a Shayla, and you know what? It’s their religion, so as they should, Mashallah- but the double standard is quite clear and it’s very ugly. I’m honestly tired of Muslims getting put under this microscope constantly getting criticized for how we live our lives, when other communities who do the same things, don’t. It’s hypocrisy. But as the Quran says have sabr, so I guess that’s just what we have to do🤷🏾‍♀️

Absolutely, they’re trapped by the information the media feeds them, and what I find is incredibly ironic is, these ISIS extremists and these Islamophobes share the exact same corrupt idea about Islam- and I don’t know if you saw, but Ali Dawah was interviewing someone who used to work for Tommy Robinson but stopped because he realized what a scumbag Tommy Robinson really was, and in that interview with Ali Dawah that guy actually claimed that when these ISIS scumbags commit these awful acts of terror Tommy Robinson actually says “this is what we need” to push his own sick agenda. It just goes to show how much the far-right and ISIS actually need each other so they can both continue to peddle their sick agendas of extremism.

So yes, absolutely, the real Muslims like you and I, need to step up educate ourselves and then educate others, I have every faith in Allah that we will be able to correct these corrupted views Inshallah❤️

[Exterminatore]

@sposermanfan2002

How come it is we don’t see people from other religions blowing up themselves or others or flying planes into buildings in the name of their god?

We don’t see Jews, Buddhists, Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, Jains, Taoists or the followers of any other religion, not even Satanism seeking to kill people who don’t believe in their religion. We see this currently with Muslims only. Only Muslims seem to think it’s necessary to kill people to save them from their unbelief.

Why is it I can pull up video after video of Muslims citing “the Christians” have invaded Iraq, in reference to the U. S. invasion of Iraq. It’s clear they view this as a holy war. I can cite reference after reference of Muslims correlating the crusades which started in 1098, and the U. S. invasion of Iraq. The U. S. is a secular nation. The crusades were primarily Catholic in religion and primarily made up of Franks, Normans, and Germans in the first Crusade. Those were nearly 1000 years ago and had nothing to do with what’s going on now.

In regards to misinterpreting the Quran... is this not the same book that refers to Jews as pigs and monkeys or am I mistaken? What’s not to understand about that?

You mention chapter 9 of the Quran. You and your scholars understanding of the text not relevant. We have historically seen Muslims conquer other lands. We have seen conversion by the sword. We also know that for a Muslim to lie to a non Muslim is condoned in the Quran. I find it interesting you want to discuss misinterpretations regarding the Quran but skip right over history, which indicates the killing of infidels is what Allah wants. Talk is cheap. Doesn’t matter what someone says, it matters what they do. We’ve seen what Muslims do historically, which is rape and murder their way across non Muslim lands and charge a Jizya to anyone they don’t kill.

[SpiderManFan2002]

18:46

@Exterminatore "Sposermanfan2002" - If you're going to try and make a pun with my name at least make a good one😂😂

Thank you for writing this comment. This ladies and gentlemen is a prime example of the kind of person I've been talking about. So trapped by your own media and you don't even know it. I'll tell you why *you* don't see any acts of terror committed by people of other faiths. Because you fail to look beyond your media who *love* to when it's a Muslim committing these acts of terror highlight the fact they are Muslim and that they are doing this act of terror in the name of their religion. What the media fails to highlight is when people of other faiths, like the examples you gave, when they commit acts of terror in the name of their religion. This is why you believe it's "only Muslims" because you have been indoctrinated to believe so, due to an evident bias in reporting.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Let's disprove your initial claim. There's no terrorism in other religions. *You* only don't see any other people of any other faith trying to kill anyone for the sake of disbelieving because *you* fail to look beyond the media that gets shown to you. If you'd bothered to look beyond Fox News or CNN whichever one you're brainwashed by, you'd see terrorism is not exclusive to Muslims. Unless, you're seriously trying to convince me the terrorist organisation "The Concerned Christians" are Muslims too😂😂, but don't worry that's not it! We've got the Lord Resistance Army, The Phineas Priesthood, The Army of God, TheNational Liberation Front of Tripura, the KKK are all Christian terrorist groups. Now in terms of Jewish terrorist groups, there's Hilltop Youth, Brit HaKanaim, The Kingdom Of Israel, Terror Against Terror, Kach and Kahane Chai. Now moving onto the Buddhist terrorist groups, there's Boda Bala Sena, the 969 movement. For Jainism there is no terrorist group I can find, but I can assure you- just a quick search, and you'll see there's Jain extremist terrorists too. In terms of Hindu Terrorism also known as 'Saffron Terror" there's the RSS, Bajrang Dal, The VHP (which is also Buddhist and Jain as well as Hindu), Abhinav Bharat. Now I hadn't even heard of Taoism until you mentioned it, so thanks for making me aware of a new religion, and I am sure that while the majority of Taoists will be peaceful people, there will be a minority of terrorists. As for Satanism there are also Satanist terrorist groups, such as Order of Nine Angels, and arguably extremism in the name is growing and is often linked to Neo-Nazi and far-right extremism. And as we have seen that is the case for the other religions you listed, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, the majority of each religion's followers are peaceful/non-violent and there is a the exception of a few who distort their religion to fit a violent narrative. And Islam is no different.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Yet because the media doesn't highlight terrorism in the name of other religions as much as it does Islam, you don't know about it, because you don't do your own research and are spoon-fed with information from the media and the first page of Google and YouTube. If the media was highlighting Jewish terror groups, Hindu terror groups, Buddhist terror groups- today you would be sat there typing about how Judaism or Hinduism or Buddhism is a violent religion, pulling verses from their holy texts, and hating on Jews, Hindus, or Buddhists and I would be here defending the Jewish people or the Buddhist people or the Hindu people and their religion against your nonsensical claims.

[SpiderManFan2002]

No religion is responsible for any kind of terrorism, it's human beings who are responsible for terrorism. One the USA's leading terrorism experts (Prof. Robert Pape) studied every case of suicide terrorism (315 cases to be exact) from 1980-2005 and he concluded: "There is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism or any of the world's religions, rather what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland." This is somebody who studies terrorism, who is a terrorism expert, unlike you who just get your information from whatever is fed to you either by the mainstream media or computer algorithms.

[SpiderManFan2002]

The reason why you can pull up a video of Muslims saying such things, is because these extremists unfortunately exist within the Muslim community and I am not afraid to admit that because it is a fact. But please, don't act like you couldn't pull up a video of a KKK Christian being incredibly racist towards basically anybody who isn't a white Christian, or a Jewish extremist group making absurd claims, or any other so-called religious extremist group making absurd claims. The minority of extremists within the Muslim community do view your examples as a holy war, but please tell me this. If Islam is a religion of violence, death and destruction, tell me why aren't the rest of us committing the acts of the extremists? Because in reality if Islam, did really teach us violence and war and we all are really terrorists, given there's approximately 1.8 billion Muslims in the world, I don't think you or I would be here writing these comments today, do you? The answer is because while people such as yourself and Muslim extremists view Islam as a violent religion, the majority Muslims around the world do not, because that's not what Islam is about. A poll conducted by Gallup (of 50,000 Muslims in 35 countries) and that poll showed that 93% of Muslims rejected 9/11 and suicide attacks and the 7% who did not when polled and put into focus groups gave political reasons for their support of violence not religious ones.

[SpiderManFan2002]

And as for your claim about how the Quran refers to Jews as pigs and monkeys- again, you ask 'what is there to understand about that?' and now I will demonstrate your own ignorance to you. The verses you are referring to of the Quran are Quran 7:163-166. Those verses do not specifically say "The Jewish people are monkeys and pigs" and nor does the Quran tell us to believe such a thing. This is a perfect example of my second point about people misunderstanding the Quran, and you are proving my point fantastically. These verses are referring to the Jews who broke the Sabbath. They were called "apes" because they committed a great sin of breaking the Sabbath when tested by their Lord, not because they were Jewish. and actually the Quran within those verses (specifically 7:164) there were also Jews mentioned who didn't commit the sin of breaking the Sabbath and who were righteous. So yes, sorry, you are wrong the Quran does not refer to Jewish people as "pigs and monkeys" for being Jewish, but it does refer to a people as being "apes" (perhaps in other translations it says "pigs" or monkeys") not for their ethnic or religious identity but for sinning by breaking the Sabbath. If you actually read the Quran, you'll see the Quran is very critical of those who commit great sins, it's doesn't single out one particular person or people for committing sins, it's critical of everybody who commits sin but it always reminds us while Allah's punishment is terrible, that Allah is certainly All-Forgiving, and Most Merciful telling believers that they have the chance to repent. And actually there are several verses in the Quran where the Jews are Praised again, not because they are Jewish, but because of the good deeds they did look to verses: 2:47, 3:57, 3:113-115, 3:199, 5:5 7:159, 7:168. So yes, you are very mistaken. This is why you must refer to scholars and academics on Islam, not the media.

[SpiderManFan2002]

"You and your scholars understanding of the text is not relevant"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂You did not just say that. That really goes to show how much you know about Islam, next to nothing by the looks of things. In the religion of Islam, the understanding of the scholars is very relevant. They are considered the most knowledgeable people on Islam, and the wider Muslim community will go to them for guidance on rulings. Muftis are a type of scholar who will issue something called a 'fatwa' a formal ruling or interpretation of an Islamic law based on the Quran and Hadith that individuals will follow. And speaking of fatwas, Sheikh Afifi Al-Akiti a well respected Islamic scholar after the terrorist attack 7/7 issued a fatwa denouncing terrorism in the name of Islam, calling for the protection of all non-combatants at all times and he said suicide bombers were an innovation with no basis in Islamic law. Sheikh Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qardi issued a 600 page fatwa condeming suicide bombings and killing of innocent people. The scholars understandings are very relevant they spend years and years studying Islam, they dedicate their life to it, saying their opinions don't matter is like telling an American Judge that their opinion on the American law and legal system does not matter. That is how foolish you sound.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Your other claims about Islam and Muslim history, and how Islam spread are also incredibly misinformed. You do not have a good understanding of Islam, and when you say the things you say about Islam, it is incredibly dangerous because you are validating an extremist view of Islam, a false view of Islam- this is why we shouldn't speak on things we don't know about.

If you want to know about Islam, I suggest you go into it with an open-mind, ignore all the claims you've heard from the media and unqualified people on Islam, and don't even look to sources that are trying to get you to convert. Just go to places, where we Muslims learn our religion. If you want to learn about Islam I could help you, by answering your questions, and sending sources that I learn from, and if you want we could always discuss them. If you don't want to learn about Islam that is perfectly okay too, just then don't go making such bold statements about Islam and it's teachings when in reality you lack so much knowledge on the religion itself, and talk about something that you're more qualified to discuss.

[SpiderManFan2002]

I am a Muslim. I study Islam. I learn from scholars, Islamic academics, you know people with legitimate degrees in Islamic Studies and who have clearly proven their credentials. And I often discuss Islam and teach Islam to people who are curious to learn about it. I don't try to convert anybody even if they are interested in converting because guidance is ultimately in the hands of Allah, but what I do do (lol I said do do), is answer their questions about Islam, and if they have a question that I cannot answer because I am simply not knowledgeable enough, I refer to the scholars and the academics- people who are more knowledgeable on Islam than I am, and I either look to their sources or I will ask a scholar or somebody more knowledgeable directly and then I will answer that question. So if you want as I said you can come to me, I invite you to learn about Islam. Even if you don't want to now, if you change your mind in the future, I won't mind- I'm always open to teaching someone about Islam, it's very important to me, and is the most important part of my identity, I'm Muslim before I am anything else. As I said you don't have to, but the option is always there for you, and anybody reading this for a matter of fact.

Also please, don't take the laughing emojis or anything too seriously, it's not that deep I just thought it might lighten the mood a little lol, but if you don't like it I apologise and I won't do it again.

Have a nice time wherever you are, and remember the best thing to cure ignorance is education :)

[SpiderManFan2002]

By the way 18:46 isn't reference to a Quran verse or anything, I just wrote this in a OneNote doc and that was the time I made the note lol

[Daniel_Dano]

@Exterminatore terrorist groups were established and funded by Nato to control middle east and bash islam at the same time, even Osama Bin laden was an ex CIA agent this is not a coincidence , the western powers have killed millions of people by bombing innocents and bringing wars to middle east , the crusades killed thousands of innocents, only under muslims non Christians were safe , you guys didn't even allow women to learn.

How ironic you lie about muslims wanting to kill everyone when white men killed the most people on the planet.

[Daniel_Dano]

@Exterminatore Jizya was like tax it was collected from non muslims so that they will be protected by the muslim army , under islam muslims and non muslims were equally protected , islam stopped racism 1300 years ago and we had the first University, when muslims were studying science Christians and pagans were busy killing each other.

If you want the truth go learn history and don't trust your media.

[Exterminatore]

@Daniel_Dano

Terrorist groups were funded by NATO. Yeah ok. That’s not only not believable but it’s completely insane. Think about what you’re saying. You’re saying they wanted to control the Middle East, so to do that they created and funded terror cells... which cause the opposite of control.

Bin laden was a CIA agent? Come on man. I’ll tell you what. I’ll take you a lot more seriously if you have some links you can share with me as proof of what your saying and likewise with NATO funding terror.

I already mentioned the crusades elsewhere on this post. They were fully justified. The Seljuk Turks were thrashing the Byzantine Empire. Emperor Alexis Komenos. The Byzantine Empire was orthodox Christian as opposed to Catholic at that time. Komenos appealed to Pope Urban II for help. The Pope deciding to help fellow Christians against the invading Turks rallied armies. It was in their best interest. Had Byzantium fallen, all of Europe would have probably been next. Komenos made the leaders of the Catholic crusade swear to return any reconquered lands to Byzantium. Many of the Catholics cheated and kept reconquered lands for themselves. Considering the expense for these nobles to fund their armies and the loss they suffered fighting it’s understandable they did not keep their oath. That is a different picture than leftist paint. Leftists like to paint the crusades as the cruel barbarians of Europe sweeping down to the Middle East and stealing land and shedding blood for fun. That is simply not true and a failure to look at history objectively. The first Crusade was rallied in 1096 I believe and they conquered Jerusalem by 1098. The last crusade ended around 1270. Respectively thats 800-1000 years ago for the crusades. Why are you even mentioning them? In fact many of the people groups on the Christian side who fought in them don’t even exist anymore. For example, the Normans, who probably made up at least 1/3rd of the first crusade no longer exist.

[Exterminatore]

@Daniel_Dano

So to even mention the crusades is absurd anyway. It’s ancient history. It literally has nothing to do with what’s currently going on in the Middle East. It also has nothing to do with America, which literally was not a nation until the end of the American Revolution in 1783. America has nothing to do with the crusades. Christianity is not even United.

I know exactly what a Jizya is. It’s the same principal as a school yard bully. “Give me your lunch money or I’ll kick your ass.” Same principal as the mafia uses with protection money. See you’re playing word games. You try to nicely explain it away as a tax. A tax for protection. How sweet and innocent sounding. Another word for that would be extortion.

You also used the word “Was” in reference to the Jizya. As if it no longer is done. A thing of the past. That’s not true at all. Why not tell me about the Jizya that the Palestinians charge Christians for living in Palestinian held territory.

I think you’re a con artist. I think you’re on a mission to demonstrate how horrible Conservatives are towards Muslims (according to your views) while you neglect to tell the whole truth. You cite the crusades, and mention atrocities and I can tell you know very little about them. You mention the Jizya and try to make it sound innocent. You try to make it seem as if there is some intent in Islam to be multicultural and accept all. Nothing is further from the truth.

You mention 1300 Europe. There were no pagan nations in 1300 Europe. Europe was fully Christian by that point, at least in name.

The thing is I know history. It seems like you don’t. I didn’t get any of the information I’m citing from the media. I got it from history books. Maybe you need to learn history.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Exterminatore You know what’s also absurd? Speaking on a religion that you clearly have no idea about and seemingly no willingness to learn from somebody who does know about it.

In terms of the Jizya tax, Muslims don’t have to pay the Jizya tax. We would pay the Zakat tax which is actually more than the Jizya because if you knew anything about Islam you’d know Zakat is one of the five pillars of Islam so as Muslims it’s our duty to pay the Zakat tax to help keep the country going. But Jizya is a much lesser tax than the Zakat tax for the non-Muslims because they don’t have to pay for all the things the Muslims do in the Zakat tax because as non-Muslims they’re not obligated by their religion to, it’s not their Islamic duty it’s ours, so they get an exemption and pay less.

[Exterminatore]

@SpiderManFan2002

I know a lot about Islam and I’ve been all over the Middle East. How would you know what I have any idea about? You don’t know me. You assume I don’t know.

You’re comparing apples and oranges here. The Zakat... which is alms to the poor is a fixed portion of their income. Similar to a tax. With one exception. It is for followers of the religion to obey that. A Jizya is different. That’s a tax to not harm or kill people who aren’t Muslims but are living in Muslim territory. I know you’re living in the west. What would you say if someone said “if you Muslims don’t pay me we’ll kill you.” That’s a Jizya. That’s how it’s currently used. It’s used to extort money by threat of force from non Muslims. It is not compulsory as is the Zakat for someone who willingly is a Muslim. See the difference? You’re willing to pay the Zakat as part of your religious duties, verses someone who must pay the Jizya or face death.

This makes it abundantly clear what the nature of Islam is. It is not a religion of peace. It is a religion that seeks to dominate and control all non followers and historically kill them. European history is rife with accounts of conversion by the sword.

[Daniel_Dano]

@SpiderManFan2002 you are clearly very ignorant and have absolutely zero knowledge on islam and middle east , I advice you to not spread misinformation on a subject you have no clue about because it will make you sound stupid.

Damn man Fox news and CNN have easily washed their minds.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Daniel_Dano Akhi, I’m not ignorant, I learn from Islamically qualified people. If you want, I can send you where I get my information from🤷🏾‍♀️

[Daniel_Dano]

@SpiderManFan2002 oh my God I'm very sorry I wrongly tagged you i meant to tag Exterimatore.

[Daniel_Dano]

@Exterminatore you are clearly very ignorant and have absolutely zero knowledge on islam and middle east , I advice you to not spread misinformation on a subject you have no clue about because it will make you sound stupid.

Damn man Fox news and CNN have easily washed their minds.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@Daniel_Dano Ah no worries Akhi, I suspected it might have been that but wasn’t sure- mistakes happen lol.

[v851234]

Conservatives are not true conservatives, liberals are not true liberals (in UK politics at least).

Neither side hates anyone as a whole, but to gain points on the opposing side they say almost anything that gets them votes if their core voters seem to dislike cute cat videos, they will suggest to ban cute cat videos if they think it would mean more votes for them. And anyone in their party will step away from. the party if they disagree enough, meaning their direction gets refined over time.

So in the case of conservatives, their voters want things to stay the same and there is a general belief that the influx of foreign population causes problems, so the conservatives talk about changing things to limit that problem.

In reality, all parties in the uk are neutral, just slight differences separate them fhe direct centre.
Communists are far left, conservatives far right, liberals somewhere in the middle but left I think... can't remember as tbh I haven't thought about politics in over a year. :)

[PinkMichae]

I'm conservative and don't hate Muslims. As long as they follow our laws while in America there's no problem. I guess the only other thing I have a problem with is if they move hear trying to change our land or laws into the land or laws from where they came from.

But I don't hate them.

[Kelly6]

No body bring their laws in USA ,
It’s what media tells you.

[Daniel_Dano]

@Kelly6 they won't change laws where did you get that

[Kelly6]

That’s what I’m also saying.

[Daniel_Dano]

@Kelly6 I'm sorry that sentence was meant for her not you , typing error

[Jamie05rhs]

Of course they change laws. Anyone can change laws if they get a majority. That how a democracy works.

[Jamie05rhs]

That's

[6prettygirL]

I come from a family of various faiths and I have also read their book, namely the Quran. I chose to directly study through the Quran and books written by Muslims rather than discussing with my Muslim friends, because I think it is better if we study it directly from the source first. I'm a critical person and I don't want to devour what the media often says about them.

[Twenty2]

And what are your thoughts on Qur'an so far?

[6prettygirL]

Mind blowing. I think the only holy book that really makes people curious and want to continue to study it. After I also read about books written by Muslims and watched them on YouTube, it led me to the conclusion that there are so many people who want to overthrow Islam, we can see it in the media. I was very fascinated to know that Islam has memorizers of the Quran, they know the contents and understand its meaning without having to open and read the Quran.

[Twenty2]

What use is memorizing every verse of Qur'an?

[Daniel_Dano]

Thank you for not believing the media and studying them by yourself , I hope people understand that islam is totally different from what their media says.

[6prettygirL]

@Twenty2 I know that as intercessors in the Day of Judgment and save them from the torment of the grave, and the torments of hellfire. Then, their piety and belief in their God became greater, they became more acquainted with their religion, and loved their religion. That's what I know so far.

[Twenty2]

Do you know that women have half the thinking capacity in comparison to men? Do you know that burqa is there so that muslim men won't harrass Muslim women? Do you know that Islam allows pedophilia? Do you know that there's no concept of marital rape in Islam? Or in other words, a woman is a tilth and she has to open her legs for her man whenever he demands it even if she's not in the mood. Do you know homosexuality is banned according to Islam? Do you know that sex slavery is allowed in Islam? Read more.

[6prettygirL]

@Twenty2 I know about it all along with the reasons and what it really means in Islam, but I don't think I need to explain it here to you with your condition like that. It seems that you have not studied directly with the Islamic religion directly. Regarding pedophilia, are you saying this because Muhammad married Aisha a minor? That you call pedophilia? Then, women have to serve their husbands when he is not in a good mood, which means there is compulsion? Show me the letters in the Quran and hadiths that say it. Talking about slaves, it was a different period, and there were limits, in this day and age so far I have not found such a thing. I have ever felt this kind of confusion, what I did was discussing with Muslim religious experts, my converts, my religious Muslim friends not discussing it with my friends who were outside Islam, especially those who hated Islam. Discuss more.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@6prettygirL actually prophet Muhammed did marry Ayesha when she was very young but it's said that people used to develop early during that period of time. Also, if prophet Muhammed was the sex crazed maniac as people promoting Islamophobia say, why would he first marry at the age of 25 to a lady who was 40 years old? His other marriages were consummated after his first wife died and most of his latter marriages were done with a purpose of giving women (especially widows) another chance who weren't even considered human then and in many places, were burnt alive.

If you learn more, just take Quran for your knowledge of Islam as it's said to be the word of Allah. Hadiths however, are written by personal experiences of people who observed Islam and the changes it brought about so not everyone of them is too credible.

[ItsTheNephilim]

As for Ayesha, she became a very influencial lady in Islam after her husband departed from the earth and the relation between Ayesha and Muhammed wasn't hostile or based on sex alone. It has been said in few excerpts that she used to banter and deliver loads of sarcasm while talking to her husband.

[Twenty2]

Muhammad didn't just married Ayesha. He fucked Ayesha when she was 9 years old. https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5133

Yes, there is compulsion for wife to have sex with husband whenever he asks for it. Qur'an 2:223 - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will."
For more information regarding this, watch this video https://youtu.be/5NXtIUv5i2w from timestamp 2:46 to 5. You can watch the full video if you're interested.

"Talking about slaves, it was a different period, " are you saying that Qur'an is a periodic thing? Meaning Qur'an is not right but because people were savages back then they agreed to the savage things such as Qur'an and with time, things need to change. If you're saying this, you're implying that the words of Allah are not true because it changes with time. And by saying that, you're saying that Muhammad was indeed wrong to allow sex slaves.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim why would he marry 40 year old woman when he was 25? There's a thing called money. She wasn't just some old woman, she was a wealthy woman. That 40 year old woman was MacKenzie Scott (Jeff Bezos' wife) of that time.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 @Twenty2 as I said, it's said that people used to age early before. Read 2nd, 3rd and 4th paragraph in link.
www.google.com/.../muhammad-aisha-truth

She was married twice before marrying prophet Muhammad. But he did that on purpose looking past the social stigma and ought to bring about a change of giving women better rights. Also, he was proposed by Ayesha, not the other way around. Not quite common it was men treating widows or divorced women as equal so wouldn't matter if she was married to Jeff Bezos of that time, or the poorest of them all, she didn't get riches, no rights for women were there. Also, she was very well off herself. And no, prophet didn't marry her for money.

[Twenty2]

@itsthenephilim where is it written that Muhammad didn't marry that wealthy woman for money? It's common sense that he married her for money. After all, in order to convert other tribes, Muhammad used to bribe the leader of the tribe. Where would he get the money to bribe if not for her wealthy wife?

So are you saying that marrying kids is something right? A little girl should be riding horses, not some old man's dick.

[Twenty2]

@6prettygirL I am waiting for your thoughts on the facts that Muhammad was a pedophile and he made marital rape legal.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty2 same reason it's not written he didn't marry for money. Common sense that his morals weren't questionable? See? A bias. Same way, your reason isn't common sense, it's just bias.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PDxKxnVZtgo
And he didn't buy tribes. In fact, it was the power and sense of equality that Islam promoted that lead to sudden explosion of spread of Islam in Middle East first. Prophet Muhammed faced a lot of challenges but he kept peaceful solutions first. Seeing the defeats of other violaters, their own kind started to practice Islam. Look that video. It's all in there.

And no, in today's world, 9 year is too young to marry. My argument stays the same as the link I'd shared earlier. Rest all is your bias.

During that time, he did way more rights than any other religion did to women. And of course, he didn't burn widows alive like it happened in other places.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim "And no, in today's world, 9 year is too young to marry." so what you're saying is that Allah's words aren't eternal. They change with time. Qur'an is a not the eternal truth.

And on the topic of conversion and growth of Islam, just read this to get an idea of how Islam grew. thereligionofpeace.com/.../forced-conversion.aspx

And it's not my bias against Muhammad that's making me say that he married the richest woman for money. It's the common sense that a warlord needs funding and Muhammad solved the problem of funding through that 40 year old widow.

[tiptoe98]

With all due respect I've also memorised and read the quran, hadith and sunnah since im of muslim decent and ancestry but its got many good and bad points just like any book or idea out there, morals and human rights are far from upheld in the text also its funny when outsiders try to understand our world. Islam isn't like other faiths its supposed to transcend time meaning excuses like it was OK in those days dont work. This isn't christianity, Muhammad is an example to all and its perfectly fine for men of today to marry 9 year old girls

[Twenty2]

@tiptoe98 so you support pedophilia?

[tiptoe98]

@Twenty2 are you a muslim or used to be one?

[Twenty2]

@tiptoe98 I'll tell you when you'll answer my question. Do you support pedophilia?

[tiptoe98]

@Twenty2 No im strongly against it doesn't matter if it was 1400 years ago or 2021, its never ok and the logic of people developing quicker is absolute nonsense humans take millions of years to evolve, a 9 yr old back then is the same as a 9yr old today

I answered your question so answer mine

[Twenty2]

@tiptoe98 nope! I am not a Muslim and I never was.

[Twenty2]

Thank you very much tho! Are you a Muslim by the way!

[tiptoe98]

@Twenty2 its my heritage, my people have been following it since wow maybe almost 1400 years? Its impacted is been so much for worse or for better like every thing. Like white Christians in Europe who still celebrate Christmas have Christian countries but don't believe in it and are atheist, or Jewish people who are atheist that is how I view Islam. I ethnically come from a country thats 100% muslim. These guys are my flesh and blood as much as they want to hang me for being atheist lmao

[Twenty2]

@tiptoe98 would you like you talk?

[tiptoe98]

@Twenty2 sure

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty2 no of course not. It was just that people aged differently that time. And law wasn't clearly defined. Still, prophet Muhammad made many laws for people and the Supreme Court of the USA today doesn't use his portrait as one of the greatest law makers to ever exist in the world for no reason.

The excerpt you show is taken from an hadith, not Quran. Islam has been misinterpreted and even mislead by many hadith writers and as in my first reply, I cleared that already.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim lmao 🤣 "Supreme Court of the USA today doesn't use his portrait as one of the greatest law makers to ever exist in the world for no reason." What do you smoke bro? I need that shit.

Also, that was sahih Al Bukhari. One of the five main hadith in Sunni Islam.

[tiptoe98]

@ItsTheNephilim Dude stop, its haram to draw image of the prophet what are you even saying thats idolatry? 2. Usa didn't exist back then it had native indians living then I dont know what that has to do with this 3. Humans 2,000 years ago are the same as humans today just born in another time so it was still pedophilia then and now 4. Muhammed in hadith first saw aisha at 6 years old playing with toys when Abu bakr called him over for engagement and to give his daughter away since their friendship was so strong 5. You are full of misinformation making things up and your using the excuse of of weaker hadith arguments that uneducated Muslims use to trick non Muslims who don't understand what that even means but in this case its a strong hadith so stop with the taqiyah.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty2
www.google.com/.../muhammad-sculpture-inside-supreme-court-a-gesture-of-goodwill-1421275801

Here's your pot. Hope it gets you high enough.

@tiptoe98 when did I refuse to say that he wasn't married to Ayesha when she was 6. The marriage was consumated when she was 9. That's what I said. And look again at the link I shared before. It is pedophilia, never denied it. But there were other things too consider too which I don't deny nor blindly believe.

And what hadith scriptures did I share?

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty2 again, I hold no beliefs in hadiths. Because they were written by humans, no matter how close were they to the prophet, they still had layed down their interpretations and some incidents mentioned don't match what Quran had mentioned in it.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty2 here's a better quality pot for you.
www.soundvision.com/.../prophet-muhammad-honored-by-the-us-supreme-court-as-one-of-the-greatest-lawgivers-of-the

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim cool! I believe you now. It's funny tho how in France, protests were made against the drawings of Muhammad but the Muslims are okay with the statue of Muhammad.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 lol Muslims protested against that too but that went in vain. Yeah, and that's the hypocrisy Islamic 'scholars' don't point out much. This fact isn't really famous that USA has given the prophet such a position.

[tiptoe98]

@ItsTheNephilim but as a muslim you know its haram to draw image of the prophet in any way? This isn't a good thing to be proud of as a muslim its mocking the faith 2. Pedophilia isn't ok if you think this then when you have a 9 yr old girl marry them off to a 50 yr old man. 3. Your using misinformation from weaker hadith to deny something although what you say is true none of the hadith he mentioned was of this nature. 4. You must remember hadith quran and sunnah go hand in hand refusing to accept this is wrong 5. Only under conditions of weak hadith under certain imams is it ignored and there is hardly any confusion about this most imams are in agree with the the majority im referring to hanafi, salafi and other madhabs.
6. you are honest about Islam however its rare to meet someone who doesn't deny things like us

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty2 oh and I just checked. The prophet marrying Ayesha at such a controversial age, it's written in hadith by bukhari, but there are other scriptures and hadiths that speak something else.

'Aisha’s exact birthday is unknown, but she was born *before* 610 CE when Islam was revealed.
Aisha is recorded as accepting Islam shortly after it was revealed. She could not have done so as an infant or toddler. The youngest she could have accepted Islam would be 7 y/o, but that’s a guess.
She was married in 622 CE 12 years after she accepted Islam. (7 + 12 =19 years).
Further, Aisha fought in the Battles of Badr and Uhud (624/5 respectively). No one *under* 15 fought in those battles, let alone be a leader of them.'
Here's what I found from an expert on Islam today.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@tiptoe98 I know it's haram. And I even know people who would say it's haram to not believe into hadiths. I was a Muslim before. But then I departed away from religion. Later, I got back into it by studying it at my own pace and today, being an Indian Muslim where I see my identity attacked, I become more and more a Muslim who doesn't agree with the crap that mullahs speak of.
And I try keep an open to reconsider things and admit them provided the source is credible.

[tiptoe98]

@ItsTheNephilim yes a lot of islamic scholars are shady these days I've noticed they will not point out some things. But still its completely haram to draw the prophet thats not a debate this is why the prophet is never drawn or his face in never shown in movies about the seerah also angels are not allowed to be drawn either this is why in christianity they draw their prophet and angels in church glass and Islam we do not in our mosques we have islamic geometric art instead.

[ItsTheNephilim]

Open mind*

[ItsTheNephilim]

@tiptoe98 thanks for the info but you missed out on the most important thing why his portrait wasn't meant to be created. It was because prophet himself was against worshipping scriptures, idols, pictures etc and these things didn't value to him. What he told must value was the devotion to Allah and such materialistic things are senseless to worships. Even when USA's Supreme Court has done that, I'm sure no one worships that. Still, if it's haram, I don't think it's right to act so violently. If Muslims truly believed in their God, they can let him handle it. It's just the common sense that people lack. Although Islam during it's initial times brought many good changes, today, Islam on a political level is just a wrong ideology owned by wrong people. I hate to see that.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim you were the one who was worshipping the fact that there was Muhammad's statue in supereme court of USA.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@tiptoe98 and the main reason why I don't believe in hadiths is because they are quite contradictory to each other, aren't claimed to be words of God himself (according to Islam) just people who were scholars. And as people are always prone to mistakes, hadiths as a consequence are often exaggerated, misinterpreted or just deviate from what actually happened. Considering that prophet was betrayed many times too, I don't think I can trust hadiths later too. Sure, many hold truths but who really knows?

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim who really knows that Qur'an is right? No body. Yet, you're believing in it. So what's wrong with believing in hadith?

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty2 you misunderstand. I didn't worship it. In fact, I can't do anything about it. But stating that fact was my reply to show you how great and well acknowledged the prophet really was. And how his work was noble... Including law making.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty2 true. Who really knows if any of the religions is true? It's just the belief you wanna hold. If Quran was the word of God, using the prophet as his messenger, then I'll believe it. Hadiths however are man written and I don't believe in them.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim Qur'an was written by man too. It was written after the death of Muhammad. Do you know some verses are even missing from Qur'an? Because people couldn't remember them all when they were writing it.

[tiptoe98]

@tiptoe98 this is exactly how I feel sometimes of course I dont agree with islams way of thinking on many topics and so im an atheist but when strangers attack the identity especially those against peaceful Muslim I see it as them attacking my identity in someways still because Muslims are still family to me , I enjoy different parts of it some I just ignore and I see as a story but for me at least. The thing I can't accept in Islam that makes me not a muslim is difference in morals to me this is all. Muhammad's favourite uncle abu talib died as non muslim and never converted but he was muhammad's biggest ally so I believe both exmuslim and Muslims can still treat each other as family as example of prophet of course some Muslims like to kill apostates depends which part of quran you read.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 no, many of the verses were just recollected after prophet had passed away. They were written very well before his death. I think you didn't see the video I sent you the link of.
I was unaware of the fact that they might have missed something.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@tiptoe98 Islam has always been exploited and misinterpreted. Those who did that were selfish brainless Muslims themselves.
Talking about religion being under attack, I you're aware of what is going on in India today.
I can see what upsets you against Islam: growing up in an Islamic state. The people in power there are awful and they're hated by most Muslims across the world.
Even in my country I got grossed by the mullahs and the shit they'd speak about.

This is the reason why I don't believe people's versions of Islam. They misinterpret.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@tiptoe98 Islam isn't reall a religion of peace. We've been allowed to go to war (by following rules of course) and be able to defend ourselves. But people in power abuse that.

However no one really points out what liberalism Islam talks about humanity. For example:

Verses (Q5:32-33) have been quoted to denounce killing, by using an abbreviated form such as, "If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people". This verse is similar to that of one from the Talmud

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim what's going on in India Today?

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim I bet you're a WhatsApp University graduate. That verse is actually a very violent verse. https://youtu.be/yfqduwXVSgQ watch this video to know more.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 I'm sure you can look it up. Blatant Islamophobia, using hindutva and demeaning the spirit of Hinduism (even when the term didn't originally mean to signify a religion), hate crimes against Muslims on a large scale (not that Muslims don't do it but the acts other way around go unpunished etc). There are plenty of news sources to cover that up. All for political drama.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim be specific please. I am an Indian too. I'd like to see how brainwashed you are.

[tiptoe98]

@ItsTheNephilim its difficult because even me i know a lot of people belive that those who leave the faith should be killed it is also in the quran at some places but another for me that is confusing is contradictions of the quran surah nisa wants to kill apostates and surah kafiroon wants to say let them live of course it isn't the same as apostates but even hadith say this. This is why I'm so confused about Islam nothing makes sense in that way no one is actually allowed to leave this faith for some reason even though I didn't make a choice to be born in it either. Another thing is here are a lot of muslims who behave like non Muslims and don't do anything related to faith so no idea whats going on there.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 bold of you to assume I use whatsapp. And yes, that verse is violent but the reason is explained there.

So you're an Indian too? Not a very secular one I'd assume.

Where do I start?
Raping women of Kashmir, kidnapping children, killing anyone they like, Godhara genocide, Mecca mosque blast, violence in the libraries of students who weren't even protesting, Ram mandir hoax, whose lie that it was demolished by Babur wasn't even put on platform ardent devotee of Ram by people like Swami Vivekandna, Gandhi but all of a sudden, but for the political purpose, Advani saw it out of the blue, mob lynching of dalits and Muslims for beef killing (even though India is the 3rd largest beef exporter in the world and the list goes on.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@tiptoe98 hmm I haven't completed Quran as of yet just picked up some translations to know the basics before I go in deep. But if what you say is true, then I'd say that it hasn't been recollected properly or the clearer explanations might be missing.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty are you a hindu though? I'd like to clear some things up on Hinduism too and most of it is very controversial.

[tiptoe98]

@ItsTheNephilim well come back after you have read everything because all of this is inside the quran mostly with 1 bukhari hadith confirming this. Your in denial if you want to explain away what is inside the quran to that extent. Please complete it to have good judgement on what im saying or if it sounds right to you.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@tiptoe98 I've not completed but have gone through so many verses indeed. I'm just few pages away.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim "raping women of Kashmir" are you talking about the Kashmiri pandits exodus? Ralive, Tsaliv ya Galive ( either convert to Islam, leave the land, or die). These were the choices given to Kashmiri pandits by Muslims. https://youtu.be/k0SXZ3V4gCU watch this documentary for more information.

It's funny how you mentioned the Godhra incident but didn't mention how it started. Let me mention that, Muslims burned the train carrying Hindu women and kids returning from Ayodhya. This started the whole violence and Hindus were killed in this incident too.

"Mecca mosque blast" I just read about it and there is lack of evidence.

On the violence inside the library, https://youtu.be/iNgfZWvVfR8 watch from 8:40. Let me remind you that we don't follow Sharia law. We follow Indian law and the actions of policemen were legal.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim "Ram mandir hoax" 🤣 bro! The case has ended and it is proven that their was a temple underneath the mosque. Not only that, kashi and Mathura are on the way. And not only that, qutub minar was in talks too. Read about it.

On you lynching bullshit, swarajyamag.com/.../indiaspend-pulls-down-its-hate-tracker-swarajya-showed-it-was-strongly-biased-against-hindu-victims the fact checker was nothing but bullshit. After swarajya mag exposed it, it was put down.

Now this was your propoganda that I have fucked. Now, let's talk about stuff you're not talking about.

swarajyamag.com/.../politics%2Fallahu-akbar-modi-murdabad-when-a-sloganeering-mob-pelted-stones-at-hindu-homes-desecrated-temple-abducted-minor-boy 100 year old temple destroyed in Delhi.

Muslims burned buses in Delhi, killed Hindus, AAP MLA wanted revenge on Hindus (anti CAA riots). In college, "hinduon se azadi" slogans were raised. https://youtu.be/kLcFy0QkO5E here's video proof.

You haven't talked about the rising love jihad issue where a Muslim man lies about his identity to trap a Christian or Hindu girl then after marriage, forces him to convert and then leaves her.

And you were talking about mosque blast, right? Remeber taj hotel blast. Do you remember who did it? It was Muslims. Do you know they were wearing kalava so that they'll be identified as Hindus when they'll be found.

Do you want me to go on more?

[Twenty2]

And yes, I am a Hindu. Feel free to ask me whatever you wanna ask.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 now that you're justifying one wrong with the other.. Why not mention the actual cause of it?
www.google.com/.../

Even when India was to be established a democratic country, why didn't it fulfill the ballot box voting for kashmiris on where they wanted to stay (Pakistan or India or independent)? But of course, you won't mention that.

Using posts from swarajya and opindia 😂 who self acclaimed that they're not unbiased rather, right winged, sure, sure 😂😂. Let me fuck up your propaganda.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@twenty2 about Ram Mandir, ever wondered why it wasn't cleared up soon?
www.google.com/.../20191104-ayodhya-a-settlement-that-wasn-t-1612818-2019-10-26
Read where it's written that neither Hindus nor Muslims were able to claim the land.
Also, the Supreme Court Judge then didn't even recognize Ram as an actual God just like Hinduism isn't a religion.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim are you saying that kashmir belongs to Pakistan? Because after exodus, only Muslims and separatists were left and they would have chosen pakistan. The un mentioned that first all the natives of Kashmir were to be reallocated then the voting should have been done.

[ItsTheNephilim]

Uhh but we have Sharia in Indian constitution but only for Muslims. Plus, police brutality took place for protest against citizenship bill laws, not sharia. Check your facts. And FYI, hindu students from that university confirm the police brutality. Watch this video.

www.ndtv.com/.../delhi-jamia-millia-islamia-university-protests-jamia-student-on-night-of-violence-thought-university-2149409

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim why didn't it get cleared up soon? Money bro. Do you know the opposition lawyer was paid in lacs for every hearing? Whereas the ram mandir lawyer was receiving almost nothing. Muslims had so much money that they try to bribe the archaeologists and they did bribe them. The evidence shown by Muslim league was wrong. Their archaeologists didn't even go to the actual site. They just wrote whatever they felt like.

[Twenty2]

The articles I linked are not the commentary but the actual video and the news about how lynching tracker said that the data was incorrect. You can actually open the links and see.

[ItsTheNephilim]

Again, right winged biased news sources don't hold credibility. Try finding some reliable sources (other than swarajya and opindia).
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Cow_vigilante_violence_in_India

[ItsTheNephilim]

You're a believer of paranoia based love jihad and call me brainwashed 😂. There are laws against forced marriages which deal with the forced conversions from both sides but you probably don't know much about constitution of our country. Read more.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim you're sending me Wikipedia link. Like that's reliable. Show me the actual stats where it says that lynching increased after 2014.

[ItsTheNephilim]

Yes Taj hotel blast was conducted by a Muslim extremist.

LOL you're talking about masquerading? Ahm ahm Modi isn't blamed for Godhara unnecessarily.
Even if he weren't guilty, he let the genocide happen in his state and didn't do anything.

[ItsTheNephilim]

This is credible enough?

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-49049372

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim who started the Godhra incident? It wasn't modi.

[ItsTheNephilim]

'are you saying that kashmir belongs to Pakistan?'
No I'm saying that it should be treated as a disputed territory.
'Because after exodus, only Muslims and separatists were left and they would have chosen pakistan. The un mentioned that first all the natives of Kashmir were to be reallocated then the voting should have been done'
Why would they leave their land? They should've been given the rights to choose where their property is gonna belong. Also, the UN had promised the ballot voting 1948, decades ago before exodus.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim swarajyamag.com/.../ground-report-what-murder-of-a-gau-rakshak-means-for-his-cow-revering-village cow protector died by the hands of cow thief.

[ItsTheNephilim]

Another example.
Enforcing Gita, Ramayana, Mahabharata in madarsas. That's a good example to you?
www.google.com/.../amp

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 again, swarajya.. like that's reliable.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim Kashmir is not a disputed land. The Pakistan had already taken control of the land by 1984 and UN said after Pakistan steps back and the condition is normal then the ballot voting will take place but Pakistan never stepped back.

You saying that Kashmir is a disputed shows what type of Indian you are. After the removal of special status of kashmir, militant activities have been considerably less but it seems like you are sad about it.

[Twenty2]

Swarajya is reliable. If you want, you can double check the information present on the article. I am not biased like you. Heck, I even watch Dhruv Rathee to counter his propoganda.

[Daniel_Dano]

@ItsTheNephilim brother don't tire yourself with the kuffar their hearts have disease.

[Daniel_Dano]

@Twenty2 you are nothing more than an ignorant clown , you know nothing about islam and middle east and here spitting fake info , try to learn history

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Daniel_Dano not everyone but this one, yes. Not every hindu is like him. He just sounds like a bhakt

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim @Daniel_Dano calling me kuffar and bhakt will not make your propganda true.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 nor denying them will cover your bias. And here you were saying that I was afraid to talk further in public 😂

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim I am giving proof/facts. You're not. You didn't even know why the ballot didn't take place.

[Twenty2]

You're calling swarajya mag and opindia right leaning but you have not countered my posts. That's because you can't. They are correct.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 so haven't you. That hindu girl saying how violence took place in library when it wasn't about sharia. You didn't check that.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim I replied to the library violence. Are you even reading my comments? The actions taken by police are legal. Watch the video where an advocate explains the law.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 you said it was because of sharia law while it wasn't. It because of NRC and CAA. hindu girls don't chant for Sharia so that their libraries are thrashed.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim do you know how to read? I said we live in India and in India, we don't follow Sharia law. In India, we follow Indian constitution and the actions of policemen were legal. Do you know how to read? Or should I write it in easier English?

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 uhh but we do have sharia for Muslims. Seems like it's not me who's missing reading. Again, the thrashing of library was because protest against NRC and CAA, not sharia. You really smoked the pot a bit too much.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim lmao 🤣 you literally don't know how to read.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 that's a way to dodge a losing argument.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim lmao 🤣 in India, the Indian constitution is at the top. Under muslim personal law, the Indian constitution gives Muslims the permission to follow Sharia if they want. That means Indian constitution is still at the top. The police don't follow Sharia, they follow Indian constitution. Their actions of beating the people in library is legal. Watch the video for more information. I am not losing argument. You just don't know how to read.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 but that still is sharia being Indian constitution at the top.

So you're justifying police brutality that happened in the university? And of course according to swaraj and opIndia, it's legal to beat up whoever opposes the government

[tiptoe98]

@Daniel_Dano muslims like you are the worst kind who have nothing but hate for others imagine calling other people disease? don't compare yourself to @ItsTheNephilim you are the kind of muslim who give everyone a bad name

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim according to Indian constitution, (not according to swarajya or opindia) the video link I sent was an advocate explaining legality of the whole issue.

[6prettygirL]

For those of you who are also non Muslims, visit and discuss with experts on interpretations, the Quran and its history, those who know better what the meanings of the verses contained in the Quran. Some people who disagree with verses and hadiths that they think are ridiculous, should not interpret them themselves, do not discuss them with non Muslims who hate Islam, until whenever your minds will be covered by the interpretation that arises from their thoughts they don't understand. The language of the Quran is very difficult for us to interpret, so don't mess with it, the verse that is conveyed does not necessarily mean the same thing, it could be that if you interpret it yourself you will misunderstand. For those of you who hate Muslims, first make friends with good Muslims, Muslims are still human, just like non Muslims, so don't be sensitive when a Muslim makes a mistake, it is not in accordance with the teachings of his religion. Many non Muslims do not practice their religious teachings, many also do things that disturb others. Humans are still humans.

For those of you who still don't agree, just go deep into your own religion, don't take care of other people's religions if you don't want to believe in their religion. You are taking care of other people's religions, perhaps reflecting that you are not interested in exploring the teachings of your own religion.

I have had also disagreed with the verses in the Quran, but compared to me discussing them with my fellow non Muslims, it is useless, because they are not the right person to discuss this kind of thing. What I do is visit religious mosque people and discuss with them there, because of course they are the right people. So, I advise my Muslim friends, let those who still disagree and fight in the way they choose. You have to make sure whether you are arguing with the right person or not. Don't waste your time. Thank you for not hating non Muslim people^^

[tiptoe98]

@6prettygirL with peace and love i grew up studying the quran all my life 2. Muslims are my relatives and blood so the point of making friends is targeted at foreigners 3. Please remember as an outsider when 2 people of understanding speak such as @ItsTheNephilim its not argument sake but common understanding 4. No one hates anyone I don't know were you got that from we having open and honest conversation and actually I really like muslims like him 5. I know my birth faith and still I feel its not reflect who I am but thats ok religion isn't for everyone 7billion people dont agree one thing we all diffrent. 6. What do you mean by a non muslim? If you mean like born out of the religion then ok but since you are this ill tell you Islam encourages people to discuss 7. As a non muslim by birth you are not informed that most born Muslims including myself grow up in the mosque being taught to memorise, your less informed than maybe all of us here if you are going to the mosque at your age 8. I enjoy speaking to born Muslims because there is a level of understanding that we get that most reverts like your self are just learning so its best to know where your place is with peace and love if you cannot contribute better you just stay out so those who know can speak honestly 9. Please speak for yourself not for others you are assuming everyone is at your level of knowledge which is rude 10. No one was having an issue but that one guy who called non muslim disease out of nowhere 11. With peace and love again the muslim guy I tagged was really good mannered and spoke well it was good conversation dont make it something it wasn't

[ItsTheNephilim]

@tiptoe98 it's very appalling to see one sided arguments and people who misunderstand or lack complete knowledge of criticize something relentlessly while not talking about controversial things of their own. With the growing Islamophobia, people choose hate for actually understanding each other and this dude really justified hate crimes against Muslims as something that they deserve and are talking like it's just 'retaliation' while the destruction of library and entering of hindu nationalists in the university for beating up students went unquestioned. I as a Muslim, for a long time was torn apart between the radicals and what image people of other religion have of them. They are really open to bash out on any crime committed by a Muslim and see it deed he did as a religious person while they don't even acknowledged hate crimes against Muslims like mob lynchings.. this guy made it sound like it only happened once but they're really a common place.
And if anyone likes points out that Islam had a violent history and controversial verses along with a bias against the religion, especially coming from a religion who's had it own set of conspiracies, doesn't seem quite fair to me. Plenty of hindu scriptures full of hate, incest and mass killings but that goes looked past and Muslims are questioned in other places.

[ItsTheNephilim]

Just check this link and refer to other links regarding what they say (if you want to). It's quite long and has written everything, history to religious texts.. everything.

vedkabhed.com/.../

[tiptoe98]

@ItsTheNephilim I think understanding should come above anything because we all live on this earth together and can't leave. 2. I understand muslims are minority in India and many may feel afraid of meaningless violence 3. Hindus aswell some may also have been hurt in misunderstanding on both sides 4. I dont support violence on any kind on person who did nothing but be a Hindu Muslim or Christian without hurting others 5. Once is still bad and effect it have on people is painful and fear, after all they are human 6. We focus to much on someone's religious identity not on how good or bad a person is that needs to stop 7. We can sit here all day and find verses in every religious book that is bad and we can look in history and see bad out comes that come from religious civilisations 8. Also remember people are human even if there books said kill this person many are to good natured and human to do such a thing. 9. In history many religious people have been persecuted e. g. 6 million Jews in the holocaust 10. A evil person is found every were in life he could be from a faith or not from one, those kind are born with desire to hurt others e. g. some psychopaths

[tiptoe98]

@ItsTheNephilim
11. You both are indian in the end of the day and been living together for thousands of years, you share blood, history, languages, culture and relatives the only difference is religions, you have more in common than differences compared to anybody in the world who's not from your country. 12. This should be the focus and we must be compassionate to each other so we can live along one another and understand pain of others 13. You never know what if one of your past relatives was of muslim or Hindu? Will you also hate them to? Then there is no hope if you say yes to violence 14. In the end of day there is honest good people everywhere on this earth and I hope meaningless suffering for all people can stop 15. This is why I admire ghandi and Martin Luther King they did non violence even though people wanted to kill them, that is more noble yet they are different faith but are good hearted easily they could preach violence because their people was being lynched but they did not and still won and got to the other side, good character wins over evil

[ItsTheNephilim]

@tiptoe98 agreed. Indian subcontinent had always been a hub of different cultures. No matter how violently people of different cultures have enacted on people and with each other, that SHOULD play no role in today's world but apparently many people from every side fail to see that just according to their biases.
In fact, the term 'hindu' wasn't even religious, it meant the inhabitants who came to settle near the river 'Indus' and hence the collection was later given a name as a separate religion long before Muslims came along. As for Muslims, not only in India but across the world, their ancestry would follow back to different religions. In short, all Muslims are converted but that shouldn't matter either.
Many Hindus and Muslims I know don't even know about these verses the all their Gods (Hindus) and when we get to discuss anything related to that, they say that 'it's too much to read and going too deep in religion isn't worth it'. That's what majority of common religious people feel (at least in my experience) and they don't know shit about history. Not that they care either.

My point of sharing the verses from Hindu scriptures was to show that if one looks heavily down upon Islam and talk about it, they should also acknowledge and look at how complex other texts are too and stop being hell bent on just one religion.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim the term Hindu was used by Islamic invaders when they started attacking India. Reason being we were east of Sindh river but they mispronounced it as hind.

You didn't share verses. You shared shitty translation where a person is reading the word horse in sanskrit then translating it as unicorn in English. That dumb fuck doesn't know how to read sanskrit.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 yeah, with that Iogic, Alexander the great was a Muslim too. It was the term given by Indo-Aryans. Before that, it was all caste system that brahmins used to treat other non brahmins, dalits, jains and Buddhists unequally. Now don't go saying brahmins were actually Muslims 😂.

I have rechecked the verses from other sites, they still hold. But you won't admit that, cool.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim Aryan theory was debunked a long time ago 🤣🤣 🤣

And no, you didn't provide with the right verse. You're outright lying here.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Twenty2 there is no one verse. It's a huge collection. You just have to look.

[Twenty2]

@ItsTheNephilim exactly there is no one verse. It's a huge collection of mistranslations. I already proved you wrong. You sent me a verse from that site with wrong translations and I sent you the original Sanskrit verse with actual translation. If you want, you can buy the actual book from gorakhpur press and look at the actual translation yourself. When I speak against Islam, I actually refer to a well known translation by an Indian Muslim scholar Abdullah Yusuf Ali or I link to the Qur'an available online as well as hadith available online. I prove my point with actual verified sources. You sent me wrong translations and then when I proved you wrong. You became a little kid and started crying.

[BlackPrince1]

@tiptoe98 you claimed to have memorised the Quran and say the Quran tells to kill apostates when there is no verse in the Quran that tells us to do so. If you're talking about verse 4:89 then obviously you did not read the two verses before it and don't even know when they were sent. In the 89th verse is said about turning away which means join the enemies (those who are in war with muslims and want to kill all muslims). Even this explanation was not needed if you had read the verse after that which says about except those who join/go to those non muslims who don't fight against Islam and muslims. Still if you want to argue against this I have more. They were specifically labelled hypocrites and there was no worldly punishment prescribed for hypocrisy. If they joined the enemies and fought against muslims then seizing and killing them was permissible. And it's not just me saying this. I learned all this. I did not make an explanation by myself

You claim to know about your birth faith and I can clearly see what you know. Even hardcore Islamophobes don't go to use the verse of 4:89. They rather go to hadiths with which already many scholars disagree with (so leaving no point to go to those hadiths). 13 or maybe 16 Muslim countries have capital punishment for apostasy which they even hardly use and most of those countries are politically unstable to begin with

I wouldn't have even cared to say all this if you didn't said that the Quran tells us to kill apostates. Well that being said, I'm not sure why you said that most muslims go to mosques to learn lol. I never remember going to mosques to learn. There are Islamic schools for that ( to which me and most people did not go to) but maybe that's because we're from a different culture and country. And yea mine doesn't have punishment for apostasy and it is a Muslim majority country... like 89-92% are muslims

[Twenty2]

@BlackPrince1 why not use the verse 4:89?

[kingofthellamas]

I have two pieces of beef, but ahead of that..

Conservativism is a political standpoint. I think you can be both conservative and a Muslim. The two would not be mutually exclusive (in fact quite comfortable together I would think). But perhaps you meant Christians? Or western? I'm not sure.

For my point I have two pieces of beef.

BEEF 1. If you're going to choose to worship someone I'd prefer they had perfect morals. Mohamed's fails that test because his job was a warrior.

BEEF 2. Is less clear. I think church and state should be separate. I'm not going to say that is right, but I am saying that's a fundamental gap between Christianity and Islam and there outlook on the world.

[Anonymous]

That's the funny thing about conservatives, they conserve nothing at all. All they do is move further to the left all the time as they always capitulate. They're pussies.

Conservatism in the past was about conserving traditional values. Marriage, gender roles, family etc. All of the things Muslims support.

Since they've done nothing but capitulate to the left now they hate Muslims because what they're conserving are liberal values.

I'm an English guy, here the main anti-Muslim group is/was the English Defence League (EDL). I'm not sure whether or not they're still running. Anyway, their argument against Islam is basically that they don't support feminism and LGBT.

[_Troian_]

Well.. being conservative and muslim isn't same things, I grew up in a Muslim family. I consider myself as a Muslim altough I don't really follow the religion, I drink alcohol and do other stuff which religion doesn't want me to do. However when I pray I do it in a Muslim way and I believe in the prophet.

In my country conservative people are usually like, want religion's affect more in politics, they want to involve religion more into life and they literally want religion to be official law of the country lol and its stupid. We also have secular muslims here who believe in Islam but don't wear hijab, drink alcohol, have sex without marriage and all that.. these people know love of god and to religion should be burried in our hearts and its not necessary to show it off like those Conservatives do.

[Alyssa11]

It’s not fair to hate on an entire religion just because of some people who claim to represent it. People don’t represent Islam, the Quran does. And if you take a moment to read it and understand the contact behind it, it is a beautiful holy text. Contrary to ignorant beliefs, it actually emancipated woman more than anything in history at the time. There are verses for when you’re feeling down, feeling anxious, feeling happy (and the list goes on). It is written so beautifully so that it can be interpreted in many ways to fix the context of different societies. It’s just unfortunate that most jurists who interpret it today have misogynistic and back dated views. These are actually not the values of the Quran.

[Alyssa11]

Understand the context*

[BlackPrince1]

Yea I agree with the last part. A good example of that is verse 4:34. Many use this to say that women have to be obedient to their husbands. The word "qaninat" that is used to mean obedient is used in the most verses of the Quran to say obedient to Allah. It doesn't mean obedience to husbands. And the last part of the verse which they like to use to justify beating women. I read about the explanation a long time ago so I don't remember the exact word but the word used came from the Arabic word darab/darb (lol I read about the explanation a long time ago so I don't remember the exact word) which can beat but also can mean turn away, separate from simply meaning leaving the wife (divorce). If a women is displaying bad behaviour then if everything else to make the relationship work fails then leaving them is common sense but many don't want to accept this.

And after reading other opinions I'm like.. to how many I can reply lol!! There are so many people here with so much incorrect information.

[Alyssa11]

The Arabic language is so complicated and open-ended and the Quran is written so beautifully allowing so much for interpretation. The verses you’ve mentioned are just perfect examples. Sadly many jurists are misogynistic etc but Islam isn’t.

[BlackPrince1]

*this verse
* darb can also mean
Lol so many grammatical mistakes

Yea I want to say to them like what about the verses that tell you to be kind and caring towards women. And another thing I noticed was in Surah ar rum. the 30:31-32 verses tell muslims to not be one of those who do shirk and divide religion in sects but look at what some scholars do... they clearly say we/they are Sunni, we/they are shia. there are others too who claim that they're the saved sect and I be like why divide..

And another thing I noticed just now, an ex muslim was claiming that she grew up studying the Quran and says the Quran tells muslims to kill apostates. She didn't mention the verse but I found out the verse she was talking about. And I be like I don't even need to explain the verse if you read the verses before and after it. People have the freedom to choose their religion. It's unfortunate that 16 (or maybe 13 now) Muslim countries don't give that but that doesn't mean you spread lies about religion without researching anything.

[JDavid25]

Well we don't hate Muslims, but we recognize that the ones who strictly follow the Koran are pretty dangerous.. Whereas Conservatives whole point of existence is to conserve the traditions that help cultures flourish.. Like traditional marriage, 2 parent household, things like the government is an important entity but it should have limited power over people's lives, and Conservatives are usually Christian but not always.. Also I don't remember conservatives having a history of violence.. In fact it's the opposite.. Conservatives are usually law abiding citizens

[Li-Na]

Majority, by that I mean 90%, of the responses here consist of preconceived notions. In other words, lacking an educated viewpoint.

[Li-Na]

Tragic.

[Daniel_Dano]

Ignorance is the worst disease to exist

[SpiderManFan2002]

Facts

[invalid1]

Well, they don't hate Muslims. They just need the shadow of expansionist Islam to shut down liberals.
And the same in the other side they need what they call "Crusaders" or Judaiochritian story to shut down liberals.

When in fact it is obsolete, if both sides accept that "the clash of civilization" is over. They will have to accept these things that they have a common ground for rejecting.

[WowwGirl]

I like them I have several friends who are. I disagree with the question

[SpiderManFan2002]

As a Muslim, I can confirm this is true😝😂

[WowwGirl]

@SpiderManFan2002 ❤️❤️❤️ thank you

[Daniel_Dano]

Your opinion was great but why so many dislikes strange

[WowwGirl]

Idiots going by labels

[Flamesofcinder]

Because the constatives are ultimate bigots hey don't just hate Muslim's they are racists, homophobic and transphobic. They hate anyone who isn't white, cis and straight. However i ask you why do Muslims hate LGBT+? when they have a lot in common with bigots.

[Daniel_Dano]

In islam God commanded that the only healthy sexual relationship is between a man and woman and anything else is from the devil.

Islam and LGBT are 180 degrees different

[John_Galt]

Conservatives don’t hate Muslims. They simply take them at their word when they say shit like...
”we want a global caliphate under sharia law, where every human being alive converts or dies”!!

when people say stuff like that... your an idiot to just dismiss it, like it’s not a threat.

[Daniel_Dano]

Thats a total lie , in the past christians and athiests lived peacefully under Islamic Rule

[Jack9949]

Then why don’t Christians exist anymore in Muslim countries? Why is Turkey’s Christian population gone?

[BeMuse]

Obama drops bombs on more countries than any president since WWII. Trump makes more peace deals in the Muslim world than any president. But it’s the conservatives huh? Sounds like you’ve been well brainwashed.

[SirJohn42]

there's nothing common. Two total diffrent beliefs.
They dont agree on anything. Not the same God at all.
The core beliefs separate themselves totally.

Christians dont hate muslims they just dont agree on the same ideas or things.

As where muslims hate infadels. They kill, They rape and torture those who do not believe in their god and prophet.
Also they kill christians in other countries. There is mass genocides in other countries.

[Daniel_Dano]

Don't be an ignorant you clearly know nothing about Islam

[SirJohn42]

Believe what you want. Ignorance is believing they are common.

[Nalix]

Not as much as you might think, though I totally agree that they should join forces against the Left, despite the Left constantly trying to recruit them. They would make more natural allies of conservatives. Depends on who you ask, it's not like all Muslims agree with each other...

[Guanfei]

You mean, except the highest rate in crime in Europe, by far?
Not wanting to integrate and constantly trying to turn every place they are into something "muslim friendly"?
Maybe the terrorist attacks, killing hundreds?
The complete incompatibility between culture of islamic countries and western?
The example of muslim countries to know what it is to have muslims in power?

[Daniel_Dano]

If Europe and US didn't destroy middle east in the first place there would have been no immigrants

[Guanfei]

Keep believing it pal. Tell that to Sweden, Norway, and most European countries who didn't even go there.

[PunyshmeSafelyplease]

Probably because most Muslim nations have strict laws in regard to personal freedoms
MOST DO NOT ALLOW
the practice of religion or freedom of speech
protests against the government
gay rights <-- to the point of execution (even the most anti-gay rights conservative wouldn't accept)
female rights <-- to any degree acceptable in the west (even by "conservative" standards)

the list goes on and on and on
very little in common between the 2 groups

[worldscolide]

I have no issues with Muslims in general, just the ones that oppress women, and hurt people, which are a small minority. Oh and the ones that feel the need to force their religion on others. But the same goes for Christians in that respect.

[jshm2]

Conservatives hate everyone not conservative. It's why they're old farts with little more to give to the world than past hates.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Religion often makes people intolerant for illogical reasons, it ironically also makes them intolerable just as often.

Love me some logic and science though.

[Anonymous]

Why do people politicize everything when everyone should just forget about all of it, be empathetic of others and their differences and show love to everyone around them (unless people give them reason not to)?

[PrinceNeo]

That's a bit of a generalization. I mean I have family that's conservative but not a single one of them hate any Muslim person if that was the case they wouldn't invite their neighbors over for barbecues and pool parties lol. I don't know what kind of conservatives you've met but not all of them are people with hate in their heart.

[JulieLamar]

I don't hate Muslims I hate political Islam, and the mosque photo is beautiful

[BCA6010]

You've clearly never spent much time in a Muslim-dominated country. They share very little in common, and assuming that they do is a major reason why the US screwed up its peacekeeping role in Iraq so badly in 2003-2005.

[joeldalton]

Why do libtards love Muslims when they hate gays and women’s rights?

[TadCurious]

BINGO! ^^^^^

[Jack9949]

And why do Muslims demand Christians accept them when they persecute them?

[Jack9949]

We have nothing in common. Besides that they’re a bunch of entitled hypocrites. They feel they deserve a place in our country when they’ve already massacred us Christians by the millions in their own countries! Stay tf away from us!

[Daniel_Dano]

Don't be an ignorant it was christians who killed a lot of Muslims, the crusades were killing innocent Muslims but the Muslim army didn't harm any innocent one , go learn history and dont believe your media

[LisaLisa89]

Certainly in the UK conservatives are a bunch of entitled hypocrites, and it's interesting that they are the same in the USA. In that respect I agree that conservatives and Moslems have very little in common.

[Jack9949]

Good grief. I wasn’t talking about the Crusades. I was talking about modern society

[Exterminatore]

@Daniel_Dano

I love it when people bring up the crusades. Especially people who haven’t studied them. This is one area of history the liberals have managed to pervert more than any other. Telling lies and tales about the evil white Europeans who came to steal Muslim lands in the name of their God. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Emperor Alexis Komenos appealed to Pope Urban II for help because the Seljuk Turks were conquering Byzantine lands. The pope then delivered a call to arms citing serval grizzly accounts of christian pilgrims being massacred at the hands of Muslims.

The arrangement was for the Catholic crusaders to conquer Jerusalem, which was conquered by Muslims and taken from the Christians roughly 400 years earlier. They were to return all other conquered lands to the Emperor, but many of the Catholics welched on their oath to the emperor.

I have little love for Catholicism but do find after a thorough investigation that the crusades were 100% morally justified.

Before you respond, just know I’m an amateur medievalist. If you’re going to refute my statement and continue to uphold yours be sure to have your facts straight so I don’t make you look stupid.

In regards to the Muslims not harming any innocent people, not sure where you got that from. One of the accounts of them tacking the intestines of a pilgrim to a tree and using a whip to drive the person around the pole to which his intestines were attached in order to have him disembowel himself was one of the issues that launched to crusades in combination with numerous accounts of rape and sacrilege.

[Jack9949]

@Exterminatore Exactly. Muslims hate everybody that isn’t one of them.

[Exterminatore]

@Jack9949

I can’t conclusively say all of them hate everyone who isn’t one of them. What I can say is they tend to not be very accepting of other religions.

An example of this would be the Jizya, which is a tax, or better said extortion money charged to all non Muslims living Muslim lands. It is still in use today. Want to guess what happens if you don’t pay that tax?

They also take advantage of liberals. The liberals who are on a foolish mission of all inclusivity and multiculturalism love Muslims. Muslims seem to be one of the special groups in the victim olympics and they are hell bent on importing as many from the 3rd world as possible (in Europe). However many Muslims would like to see a world wide caliphate. They are more than willing to nod in agreement about predjuice and racism with the liberals.. with one little problem. They are only interested in that so far as it benefits their aspirations and world view. In the Middle East they murder homosexuals routinely. So most Muslims are not interested in multiculturalism and tolerance. What they are interested in is a bunch of fools who willingly throw the gates open to allow a massive flood of them in so they can begin to change the culture and gain political power in these nations. Eventually they will be able to control these nations when there are enough Muslims in them and they have sufficient political power. Not all Muslims are in favor of this. Many are however. So they are willing to take advantage of the liberal fools and play along with them to meet their own ends. Make no mistake though, they have no interest in tolerance and generally despise many of the tenets of modern liberalism as much as we do.

You will also now see Muslims using the race card. One problem with that. What race is Muslim? Oh... that’s right... Islam is a religion not a race. Duh.

[Exterminatore]

@Jack9949

So I ask you, if one objected to Muslim immigrants on the grounds of having a different world view and different ideology and also because terror and Islam go hand in hand currently, would that make such a person a racist? Especially in the absence of proper vetting.

I’m against Islam. Does that make me a racist for being against a religion? I don’t think anyone would object if I said I’m against Satanism. However if I say I object to Islam somehow that makes me a racist... which Is impossible because it’s a religion not a race. For what it’s worth I don’t care at all about a persons skin color, but I do care very much about their character and the beliefs they hold.

[Jack9949]

@Exterminatore I just don’t feel obligated to accept Muslims into our Country when thet still routinely persecute us in theirs. At least the Hindus and Buddhists are peaceful. I got no issues with them

[Exterminatore]

@Jack9949

Exactly brother. That’s exactly my point. I don’t see Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, hell not even Satanists engaging in terror and murder in the names of their God. I do see that from Muslims.

Given we are currently engaged in a war on terror it doesn’t make a lot of sense to have a mass influx of people who may or may not hold the ideologies of the terrorists we’re fighting. Since the reason for the terror is religion based, then how does it make any sense to have mass immigration of them.

If the Buddhists were flying planes into buildings I’d say we should probably not allow many of them to immigrate. You are also quite correct that Muslims do actively persecute Christians in Muslim territories. The problem is the left wants us to believe that it’s just a hand full of Muslims that are the problem... while ignoring the fact many are currently extorted though the Jizya. The tax on non Muslims. It’s clear what the religion teaches is a danger to those who are not part of it and I feel no obligation to accept them either.

[Jack9949]

@Exterminatore Essentially Christians are treated like outcasts. Have you heard all those stories about muslims disowning Christians from their own families? Like they will literally throw them in jails and treat them in the most awful ways. Even if they don’t necessarily kill them directly.

[Exterminatore]

What’s worse is Islam teaches if anyone leaves the Muslim faith they are to be tracked down and killed. Then there’s the honor killings that take place... ugh.

I’ve heard personal first hand accounts of people who converted from Islam to Christianity in the Middle East and had to flee for their lives. They were the lucky ones with access to money that enabled them to do so. Poorer ones weren’t so lucky.

[Jack9949]

@Exterminatore exactly. I don’t feel obligated to accepted muslims here. After what they’ve done to us over there

[Dragonpurple]

I don't know an conservative around here that hates Muslims. Not sure why you think that.

[Jack9949]

I do.

[cth96190]

Why?
Because Islamic ideology teaches murder, rape, paedophilia, slavery, the destruction of Western Civilisation and the extermination of my race.
Conservatives have NOTHING in common with Muslims.

[Stoner710]

Mainly because of the killing and the extremist beyond that we don’t hate Muslims we disagree with their religion there’s a difference between hating someone and disagreeing with them

[Anonymous]

Conservatives don't like other cultures much. They are more predisposed to fear "the other", rather than embrace the differences.

[RenegadeSailor]

I was active duty for 9/11.

Saw a lot of bad shit come from that religion. To say that conservatives are the same shows a real lack of understanding on your part there buckaroo.

[Daniel_Dano]

That came from your government , it was prepared as an excuse to invade middle east , your really believe your media tells you the truth? Ok keep believing lies because that's what you like

[RenegadeSailor]

@Daniel_Dano seriously shut the fuck up, I was in military intel, you don't know shit about shit.

[Daniel_Dano]

Lol this proves you have no clue what you talk about , so you really believe some guy in turbans got into your space without being detected? After all jet fuel doesn't melt steam beams

[RenegadeSailor]

@Daniel_Dano if I want your opinion, I will give it to you. You may go now.

[JessieBellll]

I agree with you

[JessieBellll]

@Daniel_Dano

[MountAverage]

Good question. I guess the only difference is the specific religious faith. Policy-wise they'd agree on a lot.

[Twalli]

Interestingly enough Muslims are conservative politically. In 2000, Bush got almost 100% of the Muslim vote

[SilverRain92]

I don't hate Muslim, though according to American political views scale I would be considered as a conservative.

[cloud9vortex1234]

I think you're wrong on that. Many Christians think Muslims can still get into Heaven despite not having the same religion.

[Anonymous]

Why do liberals suport Muslims who have a lot in common with conservatives?

[Daniel_Dano]

Liberals will side with anyone against conservatives they might even side with china in near future, the reality is majority of Muslims don't take liberals as their allies because we have nothing in common with them and we find them as corruption.

[Opinion Owner]

I know lol

[TwoToTooTutu2]

Propaganda mostly. Though many of them might be less conservative than you think.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Lol... because a American conservative is actually a liberal to a muslim.

Two total difference of conservatives.

[Jack9949]

The four people who got offended by your comment. Now do you see why I hate liberals? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[Anonymous]

And they wonder why GAG is dying a slow death. A one sentence, nonsensical question, written in broken English, is now promoted to the top of the heap of nonsensical crap.

[NaultD]

After five hard to get crusades things didn't shake out.

[Jamie05rhs]

I don't hate Muslims. I just had a grudge on them for a while after they attacked my country. But we're cool now. I feel like both sides are making a conscious effort to build bridges.

[allaboutyou2]

Where do you get your information from? I know a lot of conservatives and not one hates Muslims.

[SpiderManFan2002]

To be fair, not every conservative hates Muslims but a number of them do, as a Muslim I’ve experienced Islamophobia from conservatives, and liberals too but in my experience it’s been more conservatives than liberals🤷🏾‍♀️

[allaboutyou2]

Ignorant people of any political background are the only ones who hate specific groups.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Oh yeah I’m not pinning it on any specific political group the common factor is ignorance, absolutely.

[allaboutyou2]

I was born and raised in England and moved to America as an adult, i was raised to be respectful of everyone. No group are 100% bad and no group are 100% good. Each person is an individual and should be judged by their character not by anything else.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Yeah absolutely, same. Except I’m born in the UK and I’m still here lol. That’s what my parents taught me and that’s what my religion teaches me😝

[allaboutyou2]

I'm afraid that some people will always choose to be ignorant.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Unfortunately that is true, but education is always the best cure for ignorance😄

[allaboutyou2]

Absolutely the only cure.
Racism and bigotry is taught, it isn't natural.

[SpiderManFan2002]

Exactly, if something is learned it can also be unlearned✨☺️

[allaboutyou2]

I agree

[cicadas]

It's very simple, they share similar xenophobic feelings.

[The_Sal]

how do we share xenophobic feelings?

[michael1469]

... you mean they both hate pork? Enjoy supressing woman by keeping them uneducated, barefoot and naked, pregnet, in the kitchen to make them a sandwich, clean up after them, hate others who are not like them, hating gays, ... huh... the irony.

[Grond21]

Why do people over generalize about other people they don't understand, in order to mislabel and pigeonhole them?

[007kingifrit]

how ignorant you are of conservatives to think that they have anything in common with muslims. anything you can list is either a strawman of conservatives or unimportant

[Anonymous]

You're insulting conservatives by comparing them to muslims.

[Waldoe]

LOL.. better question,
Why is Danile_Dano so hateful?
Isn't he happy with the results of the last election?
Are his only thoughts tied to an EX-President and Hate?

[BlackPrince1]

They don't lol. Otherwise they wouldn't really hate them

[Anonymous]

Why does antifa hate white supremacists when they agree on almost everything

[Anonymous]

Conservatives hate anyone who doesn't agree with them

[zagor]

As do "Progressives" it would seem.

[shade_19]

Coz they have a lot in common in nature
Not in opinions lol

[Twenty2]

I am a bit conservative and I don't support pedophilia (which is allowed in Islam) so 🤷‍♂️

[Daniel_Dano]

More likely allowed by your priests not us

[ILikePlants]

I'm not if it's ok to comment on someone's comment (I don't know gag etiquette) but its not something followed in modernized Islam and is erased from a lot of new age books however in places less with the times its sadly prominent still

[Twenty2]

@ILikePlants modernized Islam? 🤣 There is no such thing as modernized Islam. Islam can't be changed because Muhammad was the last prophet. Changing Islam or modernizing Islam means that Islam isn't perfect or the holy words of God aren't perfect. @Daniel_Dano nope! Only Islam allows fucking children as far as I know. If you want, I can send you the exact link to the sahih hadith which says so.

[ILikePlants]

No it isn't perfect hence why I said in most places not considered 3rd world islam is modernized where you'll see child marriages are disowned as well as a lightened approach to sharia law.

[Twenty2]

@ILikePlants girl, Islam can never be changed. You can't change Islam. You can't change Sharia. People might stop following Islam and become atheist which is happening a lot nowadays but that doesn't mean Islam is changing. It means Muslims are changing and becoming atheist or not into Islam. I don't think France is a third world country and you can see how Muslims there reacted to the cartoons of Muhammad.

[ILikePlants]

Just to provide context I'm not Muslim but come from a libyan Muslim family- and it is changed as a lot of archaic laws are not followed if that in your opinion means "not a true Muslim" carry that thought into every religion.

Islam in the middle east especially follows each word of the traditional Quran by the letter and it shows in the actions of those that follow it being typically uneducated and hopeless

[ILikePlants]

And on the france thing it's a disgrace but 2 things, firstly whilst outside of Islam it's a nothing incident depicting Muhammad is a huge no no and that paper knew it even with the admittion from the author, secondly EVERY religion has had radicals that tarnish people who wish to just be peaceful

[ILikePlants]

It was wrong every Islamic person with a brain will admit and condemn, but there's a line where you draw on every group that separates good and bad which takes a little bit of education and listening to discern

[Twenty2]

@ILikePlants I am glad that they don't Libya doesn't follow Islam to the word. The Muslims who don't follow Islam letter by letter are called munafiq and I love munafiq. They are the ones with brain.

Secondly, with Islam, it's not that people are radicals. It's that Islam is radical which turns gullible people into radicals. Do you know Islam allows for sex slaves? According to Islam, a woman is a tilth and a man can fuck her whenever he wants and however he wants to and she can't deny that. According to Islam, woman was made for man. Islam says that menstruation is impure. I can go on and on tbh.

On topic of French beheading, do you know that the girl lied about her teacher showing Muhammad's cartoon? And when it was taken as real and the teacher was killed, I didn't see any Muslim condemn the killing or if they did, they were so less in numbers that they didn't matter. But when the French government showed the cartoons of Muhammad, the whole ummah went against France and I saw a lot of Muslims posting against France with hashtag "boycott French products/boycott France".

And these are the same Muslims by the way who were happy when Hagia Sophia, the biggest Christian Church of a time, was re converted into mosque.

[ILikePlants]

I fully agree, when I say modern Islam I mean the munafiq following.

And I've had this discussion a million times with my mom in that yes there's a thousands excuses/reasons as to why Islam seems militant especially in the middle east but at the end of the day its wrong no If and or buts and deserves to either go with the times or disappear.

[ILikePlants]

What happened was foul I've heard otherwise to what you've said but as a whole the severity especially with immigrants again is vile even from my own experiences.

To not do the tit for tat there's instances from a lot of religious occupations that are foul (why I haven't been religious since 16) which has led to religion as a whole becoming less prevalent

[Daniel_Dano]

@ILikePlants you totally know nothing about islam , please don't spread ignorance.

[ILikePlants]

Except I lived in a Muslim household for 16 years so

[Twenty2]

@ILikePlants see you're ignorant because you are open to change. That's what Islam is.

[anylolone]

Way less in common than you imagine, but regardless, when it comes to religions, every other religion is bad.

[Anonymous]

Sometimes people are repelled by people who are like themselves.

[Cicero79]

Conservatives don't fly planes into tall buildings just to kill Muslims.

[Daniel_Dano]

Thats what George Bush does

[Anonymous]

Because they differ in the ways that are important.

Why do communists hate fascists when they have so much in common?

[OddBeMe]

All religions have shit in common. Especially conservative ones.

[MrTaboo]

The fact the most Muslims want to kill everyone not Muslim. They kill each other.