I think most women who are afraid to come forward are financially dependent of the abuser
@LazarusTheRisen I don't know honestly you can be rich and emotionally dependent just the same
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I usually have a good time argying with you, but honestly today I am not in the mood so I will just leave it at this... If I make a search of information on this topic, literally every study I find, will tell me that women are the main victim sof domestic violence and sexual abuse. I don't have ready sites ready to copy and paste like you do, but I can always give you the link to the stats from my country apav.pt/apav_v3/index.php/pt/estatisticas-apav that by the way confirm what I just said year after year. If you want even more icing on the cake here... www.mirror.co.uk/.../teenager-fined-reporting-stalker-police-23775721 something my sister posted not long ago.
I just posted the links so you can look at those. Again, when you don't report the crime which the NCVS has shown, it doesn't come up in those official reports. When you have a woman in charge of the CDC that has a specific agenda and thus labels all female on male rapes as "forced to penetrate" and labels it a sexual assault instead, your going to have false numbers. That was the point of the argument. I also don't have sites at the ready, I just put in the statements in google (I've had to do so multiple times so I have a good memory of their titles). So again, its all in the data I have already presented so I don't know why you would ignore it.
I am sure she actually has an agenda and that the definition of rape they use is just "forced penetration".
Exactley! Great job @thisismyopinion. @hellionthesagereborn 2 out of the 3 websites you sited are BS websites and you stretch small facts to create a narrative. Women are the main victims of sexual assault but men also get sexually assaulted. Lesbian couples report more domestic violence so women are more violent ( you literally showed no proof for this you just said it like everyone's supposed to know lol). Men tend to report sexual assault less, so their more victims than the women that speak out. And the women that do speak out are probably lying. This is so dumb, I'm sorry that you're 36 and alone in the world, it must be hard.🥺💔
@zollo No they are not, you just don't like what they have to say. Your going to tell me the CDC/NCVS is bullshit? Your going to tell me harvard is bullshit? Your going to claim that USA today is bullshit? Your going to tell me a website of an author who specializes in this area who sites his sources is bullshit? You clearly didn't read anything that was written on those sites, you just decided that you had to be a victim, that you HAD to be the one being screwed over because your ideological belief structure doesn't tolerate people who are not victims. You can't handle the idea that maybe women could be just as bad as men so you have instead knowingly lied about those sources (again, you clearly didn't read them, they provide their sources (which is why I used them because I didn't feel like spending hours finding the direct source because I know from experience that people like you will just dismiss them and make the same claims your already making)) so that you can play victim and keep being sexist and more importantly so you can keep being a victim (because its the only power you feel you have which is sad).
I will tell you again that literally every single source that I check aside from the ones you do tells me otherwise. Specially knowing the effects testosterone has, being responsible for high agression levels, it's not a surprise we are the majority of rapists and domestic abusers. Sure the data shows that we don't do those things much more than women do. They are closer to our numbers than people think. But we still do it more. And as always you manage to come to a question about women and bitch about men's problems. We all have different problems and there is a time and a place to discuss them. I made a question discussing men's issues. Why don't you check that one out? I will give you the link.
Is it right to force boys to apologize for their gender? ↗
And again, the NCVS and CDC is a legitimate source, so is harvard. The sources that your getting go off of either the debunked (twice) claims of 1 in five women (which doesn't even match crime data) OR they are based off the crime data where we do not prosecute women who commit rape against men. It was illegal for almost all of history and its still defacto legal for women to rape men. The only time they get prosectued is if their is another crime attached like assault. However if we use the national crime victimization survey, the biggest survey of its kind, that is used to determine the commonality of all other forms of victmiziation, that matches up with all the FBI and DOJ data on those subjects, we find that women rape men at comparable rates. So again, if you want to use bad sources to justify bigotry (your literally arguing that women are incappable of committing a certain type of crime, that is insane, period. Their is no other way to put it), and ignore all data from highly respected sources that are not special interest groups (like RAINN) or feminist groups (who produced the 1 in 5 claim which was debunked in the seventies when they pushed it yet still some how gets passed around as if its fact (by groups like RAINN who get money for pushing this narrative)), then that is on you. My sources come from the most reliable sources we have on the subject, NCVS victimization surveys which match up on every other crime with the DOJ and FBI as well as independent research.
So believe what you will, but you will be wrong and that is all their is to it (you cannot even bring yourself to actually look at the data or even ask yourself why you believe that only men can be bad people, you can't even answer the insanely simple questions about this one incident that I presented, why did all of these people let a man sexually harass a woman when they are suppose to be upholding the law? Why did this man just decide randomly to sexually harass a woman with dozens of eye witnesses and camera's around? Why did he risk his career and his freedom to cop a feel of a random woman? If you cannot answer those, their is a good probability that its bullshit. ).
He did it before in the interrogation room. She was complaining about that. It was that footage that got him fired. He didn't care because he didn't tought he would get accused.
Because people understand why men don't come foward. Because they will be shamed, since they are men they are supposed to be stronger and handle it themselves. But everyone seems to think women have no problems coming foward. That in fact the social agenda even makes it easier. When it couldn't be further from the truth.
That's not true, on multiple points. -I've met no shortage of people that believe men have no problems, and believe men couldn't care less about being shamed. I've even heard people who run DV shelters use that as an excuse to deny men help, that the only reason men come forward at all is because they're abusers in disguise. So it's not true everyone understands some men don't come forward because they'll be shamed.-It's not true that's the only reason men, or people in general don't come forward, for there's tons of reasons. Some people don't come forward because they'd rather forget. Some people don't come forward because they don't think it's important enough. Some such as a friend of mine don't come forward, because of the fear they're more likely to be arrested for hate speech than helped; in his case a gang of black teenagers telling him to "get out of our park, white boy", from the very town he grew up. Said over generalizations are wrong.-I've met far more people that are understanding why some women don't come forward when victimized, than I have met people that believe women have no problems coming forward when victimized. And those people extend all the way up to government agencies recording all of these invisible rape victims, including categorizing women as rape victims in their poll statistics who answered "no" to the question "have you been raped?". So no, it's a complete falsehood to claim "everyone seems to think women have no problems coming forward". That might be your experience, but it is not my experience.
- I can tell you that many, MANY, men are ashamed of coming foward once they are abused by women. Even men who do come foward later tell that they didn't do it right away for that exact reason. There are also many cases of men being riddiculed by the very officers they seek help from. In my country we even had a special coverage if this on the news.- I never said it was the only reason, but is a big one common to men. There are more common reasons why men or women don't report what happened to them. Fear for women and shame for men.- Then I guess we all have your experiences then.
-You said "people understand why men don't come forward", and I responded "I've met no shortage of people that believe men have no problems, and believe men couldn't care less about being shamed". On that point you are wrong. And you don't need to lecture me on men's problems with this, i was an MRA for 7 years, running my own men's group of 2,000, and volunteering as a men's rights liaison officer at a Men's Shed charity. I've seen far more about this than I'm willing to bet you have, being all types of male victims of all sorts, including those that came forward asking for help, and those that didn't. That's why i'm calling you out on this, because you are wrong. Shame is a big reason for men, but it's not the only one, it's far more complicated than that, myself already laying out some of the different reasons a victim may choose not to report it. In my experience for men anyway, the biggest factor isn't shame, rather it's the learned knowledge is when men ask for help, they're ironically less likely to get it than if they didn't ask for it at all. There's been guys that called the police because their wife was chasing them round the house throwing shit at them, and actually got arrested themselves while covered in broken glass and their own blood, via discriminatory police procedures. Even when it comes to basic empathy; social experiment after social experiment shows men in need of help are less likely to get it if they ask for it. As my time as an MRA it was one of the most annoying things hearing people say "men should come forward and not be afraid to be weak and open up", being some type of cruel joke like the sign on the gates of Auschwitz". There's only so many times you can see a guy at the end of his rope begging for help, to only be told to shut and go away.
We live in a world in which a woman's chat show will talk about the importance of men opening up with their feelings and coming forward if they're being abused by a woman, and yet if a man gets his penis chopped off and blended because he dared to file for divorce, that man will be laughed at on on that exact same woman's' chat show, on national television, by the entire panel and audience of women, without it negatively affecting their careers in the slightest. How the fuck does feeling shame even hold a candle to that?People, including you, do not understand why lots of male victims don't come forward, and the overwhelming majority don't even care to know anyway. It's not as simple as shame and stoicism, it's far more complicated then that.-Again, you said "people understand why men don't come forward. Because they will be shamed". That is a absolute statement. If you didn't mean to make an absolute statement, then you need to be far more precise in your speech, selecting your words carefully, like everyone should.-"Fear for women and shame for men", again, you are far over generalizing the issue, beyond the point of being useful.
There was an investigation and the process lasted 6 months. They had access to the footage in the interrogation room and they decided to fire both him and the woman judge. It's because they saw something in the footage of the information room that shouldn't had happened.
Could've just fired them to save face. This is my final judgement unless I see more evidence.
So you don't trust the investigation or their word about the footage on the interrogation room?
tell that to all the men that got falsely accused of sexual assault and got locked up
@AFellowWeeb yeah, and all the women who were not believed or worse, just ignored
girl, guys got their lives f up just bc a woman lied about them
@AFellowWeeb and for every guy who was wronged, we will never know how many women just never got their chance cuz of guys like you. Lot of cops have your mentality, so that justifies their refusing to act.
@AFellowWeeb and guys like you does make me wonder what has happened in your life, what would old g/f's say about you.
I want to know why, too!! What hell is going on here?
she got fired for ignoring actually
Also, by no means am I implying that he isn't responsible for his actions.
That is bad too. Any victim that isn't listen to represents a fail of our society.
Actually both him and the judge, the woman, were fired because of this. Yes it was proven he did sexually assaulted her.
Okay, based on what?
Video footage on the interrogation room.
That's why it's weird that it's 6 months. Why does it take 6 months to review a video? It's weird.And why would a cop do that in an interrogation room which he would know has cameras? And why isn't that the footage we see? Instead they show the courtroom confrontation?
1. Because the juridic system is a joke and takes forever to do anything. 2. Is normal to record interrogations.3. Because he never in a million years thought anyone would review the footage. 4. Because he made her lift her shirt. Of course they are not going to show that fooatge.
So where can I find all that?
I don't know if I saw it all on this video. I search about it all over
Well we need to have that stuff to take it seriously. But also, your original point is about women being afraid, but if it’s to be believed, everything worked out in the end. She filed a complaint against a bad guy and it all worked out. Doesn’t sound like there’s anything to be afraid of in that regard.
Dude, she was literally arrested after she complained about what happened.
She was lucky there was footage. And when there isn't? This is for men too I am sure. I could replace "women" with "victims"
Yeah, she was accused of a crime. That’s what happens. She made her case and in the end she won. But the guy arresting her was also apparently the guy that did it and if that’s true then of course he’s probably going to go overboard as well.
Not being believed or taken seriously.
Men aren't believed or taken seriously because society has been basically programmed to believe that men, with their physical superiority, cannot be a victim of sexual assault ever, which is complete BS.Women aren't taken seriously because of the women who have blatantly lied about being sexually assaulted. Shame on those women for undermining women who are actual rape victims.Also because it is hard to take a woman seriously who said it happened decades ago, like there is no possible way to verify it actually happened or not and its ultimately her word against his, but with this feminist campaign of "believe all women no matter what" it has turned the crackdown of "under the radar" sexual assault into an absolute cherry-picking, witch hunt of a shit show mess. Now any man can be accused of sexual assault from years prior (whether true or false) and will have their life destroyed before even a shred of evidence to contradict the claim comes forward.The divide between the sexes is getting wider and wider every year and it is sad to see.
@SlightlyEccentric That is simply not true and here is a perfect example www.mirror.co.uk/.../teenager-fined-reporting-stalker-police-23775721That idea that woman suddenly are believed every time and the guy has his life ruined easy, is a myth. Doesn't happen like that. It can happen, and has happen before, but those were isolated cases.
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