Especially when men and women discuss a problem in the society where both men and women bare responsibility of it , and its seems that most of the time ( not always ) women don't want to be blamed
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If it's too obvious that both men and women are to blame about a problem , then why women blame men and only men but never admit that they bare some responsibility?
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Ok this question has opened the door for trolls i apologize for that, anyway i would like to give an example of what i mean, i was watching YouTube and it recommended at video for a girl in the gym filming her body ( butt ) and i was like " then they complain why all men she meets want sex only " seriously what the hell
Speaking for myself.. I'll take blame for what I'm personally responsible for... But I won't take blame for what some OTHER female has done...I'll own my mistakes, I don't own other people's... The problem is people take their hurt or insecurities out on others or the whole gender instead of the individuals that hurt them, or looking to themselves as to what the real issues are... I've been hurt by men, but I don't take it out on ALL MEN or paint all men as bad, because not only is that not true, it would be a stupid thing to do...🤷
At this point, it doesn’t matter. And that’s not because men decided that, it was feminists who decided it’s ok to blame all men for everything evil other men have done. So I agree with you that it’s not right, but men didn’t create this mess, feminists did, and women sat there and allowed it to happen. When feminists were shitting on men, blaming us for everything, women were noticeably silent. Women never cared that men were being shit on until men started fighting back. I’m not saying any of this is good or bad, just saying that it was feminists that created this and since women didn’t keep those feminists in check, men no longer care or are interested in listening to “not all women are like that” because no one gave a shit when men were telling women “not all men are like that”.
Yes, it’s a load of crap…a load of crap that women allowed feminists to get away with. Now it’s women’s turn to be generalized and suck it up, just like men had to.
Again, not saying it’s right or wrong, but it is what it is. Women should have stood up to the feminists who were shitting on men instead of standing silently in the sidelines. Men being tired of women’s BS is the consequence of women having done nothing to rein in the feminists who created this dynamic. Be mad at feminists for doing it, and other women for not keeping these types of feminists in check. Men are raising their hands, we’re not touching this, we’re pretty much done. Again, not saying it’s right or wrong, but this is one thing we will not take responsibility for because we didn’t crear this mess. We’re just gonna leave women alone and focus on working on ourselves for OUR benefit, not the benefit of women.
@ThrowAwayx404 that's what you should a been doing all along and if you didn't blame yourself, not women... You're responsible for your actions, noone else's. If you did what women expected, or you thought they expected, that's on you..
@ThrowAwayx404 you're done here.. I don't tolerate petty insults from internet cowards.. I removed your last reply... Of you can't agree it disagree without trying to insult someone, I wouldn't question their intelligence, rather question your own
There are things with which we go too easy on women, but I am not going to comment unless you bring up specific examples. One issue I notice often is violence. I had several conversations with women about that, and they do not accept that a woman beating up a man is wrong. It's his problem to defend himsef. And apparently, if he said something he knew the woman wouldn't like, he was asking for it. That is an example when the blame for a woman being violent is shifted to a man. He caused it by opening his mouth. About 60% of women I talked to about it agreed with that interpretation, which is scary. As to why, that is not clear to me. Probably overcompensation. Maybe society still sees women as universally oppressed as if we made no progress in that area and is willing to be lenient when they mess up to compensate for past issues. Which is a really bad idea.
There's an unspoken rule between men (actually society at large) but it's more prevelant among men because respect is our Main currency that is to take responsibility. Take responsibility for your actions and the effects of them. When men don't take responsibility or don't hold themselves accountable they loose status among men. Women see less immediate backlash so why wouldn't they try to get away with as much as they possibly could.
To me it speaks of a deeper thing: not wanting to have your behavior questioned or taking responsibility. It's easier if someone else is to blame, because bearing some of the blame entails having to look at yourself deeply enough to point out negative behavior and the effort needed to make changes.
Yes, but for her it does work, i believe she thinks she will attract guys ( gym crush ) by her body then she believes he will like her personality , funny though she doesn't understand that she is attracting all men around her the good and the bad , they saw your body and you expect them to focus on your personality 🤷🏻♂️ , the other reason would be seeking simps validation
Fully understand the second thing being a thing. Some girls definitely seek it.
As for attracting guys and honestly this holds true for both men and women and attracting mates, curb appeal helps get the looks, but once there its her personality that should take over. Guys need to realize it is a total package even if the wrapping of that package is what drew you over in the first place.
Girls need to realize not all men interested in their personalities , some men just want to play around by showing off your body to attract you are risking. They need to realize if man like you he will like you by just seeing a pretty face ( yes it enough to make him make the first move ) don't be over confident about your personality because if later he found out you aren't his type he will go back to first reason he approached you which is her body and that's why it's end up with sex then ghosting.
So then that seems like a guy problem. For as much as guys complain women only want them for money or their looks, overwhelmingly it is a guys personality that keeps us around. We should be able to take pride in our bodies without it meaning it gives license to guys to use us only for that body. *shrug*
Its the guy problem? 🤔 , Its women who created this problem for themselves 🤷🏻♂️ if you put your main effort to attract males using your body most likey you will be used, same as guys who show off their money ( simple logic ). You want someone to stay with you then attract them using something make them stay ( your personality ).
Yeah some guys just want sex and when they see her body they just want to sleep with her , so sure they won't care about personality. if there is a girl show off her body and use it to attract guys do you really think there is a decent guy will say in his mind " omg nice butt , now i want to get to know her personality " i don't believe this will ever happen
And someone who isn't as pretty, like myself, who relies on her personality doesn't really have much of a chance if I did my dating offline. If I had a nice body, it would be easier to attract attention for my personality to then take over.
It isn't the woman's fault that guy is shallow and doesn't approach without it
I don't think you aren't pretty by the way. ... Besides you are always pretty for someone out there. I have met many average girls with very nice personality i must admit by time i was finding them attractive more and more. You personality can shine and attract even if a guy didn't notice you at the beginning ( if you both share same hobby or work together eventually he will get to know you even if he didn't want to ) .
Women are not to blame for the way the world is in the same way men are not to blame, but we are ALL responsible for making the world a better place.
Men should stand up when they see women being mistreated, Women should stand up when they see men being mistreated. Sadly Women aren't doing so, and Men are seemingly quitting as well.
Well, there are women who have objection towards other women more often than against men. Maybe it's my influence or maybe result of my preferences. If you try to talk with feminists online you will always come to the conclusion that women hate men. This isn't true.
Because feminism has created generations of narcissistic entitled women with Princess complex, who believe they’re perfect little angels that can do no wrong because only men are toxic and evil.
That's better, and I wasn't trolling at all if that was aimed at me. I was trying to make light of the situation by referencing Neo's eureka moment during his conversation with the architect about the anomaly.
(If any of the girls followed that nonsense I just spewed out I'll be impressed)
I got blame a on lot my older sister and my other ex boyfriend by the way there is always will people will blmae people no matter what the gender is. I has be blame iin colllege and in toxic work. i also blame myself.
No one like blame. In western society, we think we fixed things when we find the person to blame. In Japan, it is important to discover the problem is do what you can to see that the mistakes are reduced or eliminated.
It must be something in the genes. Every woman I've known hates to admit they've done anything wrong, even when they know they were wrong. They'll find some way to blame someone else.
When I was about 10 my mom died and my older brother blamed me and then more in my life I got blamed and blamed and blamed by my brother and my ex boyfriend so most women don’t want to be blamed for things because they get blamed a lot. Lots of my best friends get blamed too. So women just want to have a nice life. ❤️💔
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Women never take responsibility for anything negative even if they are clearly at fault., and always claim responsibility for positive things even if it is obvious they were not responsible for them. You cannot trust anything women say without independent proof which is part of what makes them so horrible to deal with.
Yeah, and there are probably women out there who do take on the blame, but the majority of people fight back against an attack, which is why there even is a conflict in the first place. Attacking others is a wasted effort and only bring out their defence.
Well the question is clear... When there is a problem in the society that both men and women are to blame women tend to blame men but not themselves , if they don't want to blame themselves why blame men?
Of course it made sense, it was a couple of simple sentences.
One, there's no standard agreed feminist definition of both.
Two, you could provide a coherent internally consistent definition of both, you probably just have zero idea of what coherence entails, of what the fuck "internal consistency" means because you know nothing about having epistemological rigor.
Coherence here means it must be logically sound, systematic, not "I know it when I see it" kind of definition. Internally consistent means it must not disagree with itself, which is technically implied with coherence but I wanted to emphasize it.
@anylolone yes there is yes there is I don't know why u thought i would read ur entire article and im not a feminist but some thingw are common sensical
"Common sense" you have a weird definition of common sense.
You don't need an entire article to define those things. I don't. Gosh, the greeks were the first to formally define patriarchy and they didn't need an entire article for it.
So why is a parental system bad? Also, ok, sexism is discrimination, so women can't be blame for discriminating, considering you just did with your definition?
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