Why do *SOME* women think telling them they need to be held accountable for their own actions, behavior, and safety, is "sexism"?

[MCheetah]

"Sexist pig!"

Why do SOME women try to avoid responsibility for their actions or accountability towards anything that could potentially lead to harm or danger?

I've seen this argument, time and time again, and usually the biggest ones against it are the feminist types of women under the age of 24. There's a lot of things that it can apply to:

- Rapists going after loosely dressed women,
- Men staring at women when they show cleavage and skin,
- The (ridiculous and stupid) concept of "objectification,"
- Women hitting men, then getting hit back,
- Women justifying cheating on men,

... and so on. Seriously, the list is endless.

Whenever people try to bring up how women should minimize the risk of danger or consequences for themselves, it's either seen as "victim blaming" or the generic, old-as-f*ck and played-out "misogyny" routine no one gives a f*ck about anymore. They also try to strawman and say that people are "making excuses" for the bad men out there, rather than the truth of telling you not to go jumping into the ocean wearing a meat suit, or walk around the ghetto at 3am flashing stacks of hundred dollar bills.

I mean, I know some males defend this kind of behavior. But who gives a f*ck what soyboys think?

The biggest irony is that these women tend to be feminists, but think all women should be treated like toddlers that have NO responsibility or accountability for their own lives or safety, and that men need to child-proof life for them. This annoys the f*ck outta me, because it's stupid, childish, and entitled. Even if I was a woman, I'd think the same thing.

Why do you think your own safety is "someone else's responsibility?"

Why do you think you have the right to wear whatever you want, but men don't have the right to their own vision and look at what you're choosing to show everyone?

Why do you think politeness and decency is ENTITLED to you? People appreciate it because it's not an automatic right; no one HAS to be nice or respectful to you.

[JosyJosy]

I... I can't argue this. It doesn't matter if you're dressed revealing or not, a rapist is fcked up in the head will rip it off anyway. Wrong place, wrong time. As for the stares, if you dress revealing of course people are going to look, even the women. And if you have huge breasts or butt, even if you don't dress revealing, people will look.

Women hitting men part really pisses me off. Cause so many don't expect to get hit back, or there are guys who look down on a man hitting a woman. I don't care, if you get attacked you have the right to defend yourself to neutralize the threat. And if you as a woman have made up your mind and decide to strike a person, you Should be expecting to be struck in response. If you're okay with physically harming a person, why would you deserve any less?

Women cheating on men. I think it goes for most cheaters, regardless of gender. They don't want to be the baddie and try to put themselves in a better light. "You made me do this" No, you made that decision on your own.

[A_Bell]

People use that old line that women shouldn't have to live in fear of being attacked regardless of the risks they take. It's like saying:

Gazelles shoudn't have to live in fear of a lion or cheetah using them for breakfast regardless if they stray away from the heard.

Home owners shouldn't live in fear of someone breaking in, regardless of whether they leave their front door unlocked while away on vacation.

Not taking advice to protect yourself and avoid risks is stupid. Brain dead levels of stupid. Close your eyes and bury your head and pretend your own behavior doesn't increase risk.

[MCheetah]

@A_Bell, once again, being Based AF over here and smarter than the average girl. 8)

[A_Bell]

Awww. No need to spread all that butter and sugar around. I am about to be a married girl. :D

[worldscolide]

could not agree more. I will be teaching my daughters, should i have them, to defend them selves, and even kill in self defense if she has to. Men and women both are responsible for their own safety..

Feminists view on the world is almost like they want the whole world child proofed rather than try to learn to defend them selves..

And no i am not defending rapists, i am of the mind set, that once proved with real evidence (not an accusation) guilty, that rapists should be executed. same with child molesters and pedophiles.

As to the objectification thing.. If we view women a sex objects, women view men as success objects. Its sad really.

[WolfKvlt]

Because they operate within an emotional mainframe. If they feel it is wrong they base those feelings as their own logic to determine how to act accordingly, whether or not their decision is rational/relevant to the environment/setting they are in.
Hope this helps!

Side note: If you were a woman, you would NOT be thinking the same thing you are now because your brain chemistry would be structured differently. Apples to Oranges.

[MCheetah]

Thanks.

I'm intelligent, though. If I was a woman, I'd be an intelligent woman, and intelligent women tend to agree with me on this one.

[WolfKvlt]

"Intelligent" women are attempting to operate within the logical mindset (which is on the side of the masculine polarity) which causes them conflict due to not acting within their natural emotional state. They may agree with you during an open debate, but more than likely will not act in accordance with their logical thinking and will almost always still resort back to their emotional reaction to it.

[Sawyerblu]

An interesting study was done a little while back where it stated that men’s brain activity actually decreases when they view women. Particularly women not completely covered from head to toe. However, the region of the brain associated with “tool use” lit up when seeing these women, meaning they saw these women less as people and more as objects. Objectification is a very real thing whether you want to admit it or not.


It should not be the women’s entire responsibility to make sure that they do not get raped or assaulted because they decided to wear a dress that shows off their curves in a manner that they like.


There are obviously precautions that women can take, but do not entirely remove the blame from the men who view women as objects. Mans fault is that he cannot control himself and the temptations of the world around us. Women’s fault is that we assume that we will be treated well regardless of what we put on our bodies. We make our own decisions and being held accountable for that is very important.


This does not apply to those who seek out being assaulted to make quick money or destroy reputations.

[MCheetah]

Objectification would be treating people like "sexual objects," and men aren't the gender that have literal genitalia toys to use as masturbation aids (aside from the Fleshlight, I guess). If a man is staring at a woman's breasts, he isn't thinking she's a toaster or something.

If "objectification" is real, then women are guilty of it 50-100x more than men are, and should be the ones who need to "stop objectifying men by reducing us down to our genitalia!" To "stop using objects that literally mimic the shape of our genitals! Be BETTER, women!" LOL! See how that argument works?

But no; objectification isn't real; that's just called lust. Women complaining about this would want to reduce all men to being asexual (and likely not do the same for themselves).

"It should not be the women’s entire responsibility to make sure that they do not get raped or assaulted"

No one said it should be their "ENTIRE" responsibility. That's a strawman and I won't accept it. We're saying they should bare SOME level of responsibility for their own lives and safety, even if it's as small as 1-5%. The same rule already applies to men literally all the time. Ever talk to a police officer filling out an incident report?

"[Men's] fault is that he cannot control himself and the temptations of the world around us."

That sounds kind of sexist and dismissive of men. But assuming you think this way, wouldn't that be giving us LESS accountability for our actions? "We can't help it! Just gotta rape! Boys'll be boys!" I don't think you want to make this argument.

[backdoorman]

I'm calling bullshit on this "study" you refer to here. Please provide a link, if it actually exists.

[45Fstraight]

I see what you are saying and I do not identify as a feminist. However, there are some differences in your examples. No woman should have b to fear being raped or groped even if she is walking naked in a dark alley. She should expect harm will come to her just like walking on the ghetto flashing stacks of money.

No one should hit anyone. I think if a grown man can step away from a raging woman than he should. But yeah, she should expect to get hit back (not that it's the right thing for a man to do).

My young adult cousin was forcefully raped while drunk. Her parents mercilessly blamed her for putting herself in the situation that could happen. Being a drunk woman is a very vulnerable place to be, but in no way should she have to accept accountability for the rape.

So, I guess there's 2 sides to the coin?

[MCheetah]

"No woman should have to fear being raped or groped, EVEN IF SHE IS WALKING NAKED IN A DARK ALLEY."

That's incredibly naive logic and we don't currently live in a Utopian paradise yet. Bad people exist and they always will. Saying no woman should have to look out for her safety is foolish.

"My young adult cousin was forcefully raped while drunk. Her parents mercilessly blamed her for putting herself in the situation that could happen."

I am sorry that happened to her. Honestly, unless she was black-out drunk, I don't consider consensual sex while one person is drunk to be "rape." That is such utter BS. A large percentage of the population used to conceive kids through drunk sex back in the day like that. If being drunk was a "get out of responsibility free" card, then drunk driving arrests wouldn't be a thing and it would apply universally across the board. If she was black-out drunk or near unconscious, then yeah, that is definitely rape because she didn't consent. But not if she was aware of her surroundings and proceeded to drunkenly sleep with the guy of her own free will (drunk or not). That's NOT "rape." And IF that is the case, then that is exactly what I am talking about: Being responsible for your own actions in life. It isn't "excusing the rapist.". It's saying, if you can't think clearly, don't get White Girl Wasted in the first place. Be responsible for your OWN safety. I don't know the situation, and maybe her parents overreacted. But then again, since they are her parents, maybe they were right.

[45Fstraight]

What is, " White Girl wasted?" Is there a difference in skin color drunkenness?

She wasn't date raped while drunk. A man saw she was drunk and attacked her. He was convicted.

Also, I stand by my comment that no woman SHOULD have to fear for her safety (whatever her race may be). Of course she has to, but being a scantily clad woman (or drunk) is not consent and never justifies a rape. Maybe men should take responsibility for their bodily urges?

[MCheetah]

White Girl Wasted is an old saying. Because the story goes, no one gets more f*cked up/trashed/drunk than white girls.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php



No one ever said being scantily clad justified rape. But rather, there are things you can do to prevent it, and that expecting criminals and rapists to be gentlemen is simply retarded logic. Yet so many women follow it, anyway.

[45Fstraight]

Ok. Well I have to disagree with the, "old saying." That's an entirely new topic.

[Blackcupcake]

I both agree and disagree.
First of all, a woman should not be hitting a guy at all and same goes for men.
But when it comes to clothing, even the most modest girls get catcalled/stared at/harassed and even raped so the clothes is obviously not the cause.
Also just because a woman chooses to show some skin does not mean that men have the right to touch her. They can look if they want but no one has given them the right to touch her unless she actually consents to it.

[MCheetah]

Well, no one said men have the right to touch her if she's wearing skimpy clothing. And while bad men will do bad things, they're far more likely to do it to women who give them "an excuse" to do it or someone who looks like society won't miss them (sluts, prostitutes, family-less women, etc).

But at least you can imply how women should have SOME responsibility for herself. That is what I am saying. There are TONS of women out there who think anything and everything isn't her problem and that she doesn't have to do anything to keep herself safe, or that double standards are acceptable, like hitting men and expecting them not to hit her back, or dressing half naked and getting mad when (unattractive) men notice her tits all out.

[Sawyerblu]

I mean let’s be honest, women pretend to be offended but they like the attention that comes with dressing like hoes lol. There’s a rush that comes from it and they like being able to say that men are attracted to them, if they didn’t, they wouldn’t dress like that. We use the excuse of “it’s my body— I’ll dress it how I like” but like a lot of the time, the skimpy clothes are uncomfortable so why would we be putting on uncomfortable clothes if we are dressing for ourselves? I see what you’re saying by the way. Just thought I’d share the information on the study. You should look into it, it’s an interesting read.

[MCheetah]

@Sawyerblu
Okay. I'll take a look at the info if you link it.

[Sawyerblu]

Here’s a link to one article I found www.nationalgeographic.com/.../bikinis-women-men-objects-science, if I find where the study is I’ll post the link! It’s been a while since I’ve read it but this article sums it up pretty well

[hahahmm]

They are terrorists who use emotions to try and control you. Fake tears and loud talking are the AK-47 and grenades that they use. When you negotiate with terrorists, you lose.

[JesseJayNeak]

When you surround yourself with yes men/women and only hear praise, criticism sounds like personal offense