Why do you leftist want to keep putting money into education if the education system and a lot of teachers are doing these toxic things?

[WilliamPamer446]

I've observed and scene that a lot of schools have real problems that are the board and director fault and some of these are just most, a lot or some teachers doing this, but it effects the kids and ill tell you why. These are facts and opinions.

1. Coddling bullies, just because there poor or whatever. Never brave enough to punish them. Fact.

2. Mistreat troubled kids, and force them on bad drugs.

3. Teach kids wrong information. Fact.

4. Dont teach kids good financial decision making skills. Fact. Undeniable.

5. Not teaching black kids the right black history, and lying to them. Fact. Undeniable. The arrogant liberals who think they know everything and can never be wrong and always silence opposition.

6. Are proven to be horrible and helping Autism and adhd kids. And there's a lot of assholes that get to be teachers in special needs classes.

7. Pick favorites.

8. Teach kids contradictory values. "Stick up for yourself, you let people mistreat you" and "be the bigger person never stand up for yourself.

which is connected to

9. Blame the victim

10. Telling young girls there career is all there life is about and where they will find fulfillment, and giving them unrealistic expectations on careers and that they need to do this amount and "Do it all" and not accept help from men. which puts too much pressure on young women.

11. Tell them free speech should be stifled.

12. Encourage individuality and being yourself and creativity, but not if your different, or dont agree with them, or if oyur autistic or adhd they told you to mask for so long and do they still do that now?

Not actually helping kids learn and be able to stand up for themself.

Im just saying man, I dont understand why you would give money when tehres so many obvious problems that aren't being fixed.

[BCA6010]

1. This was a problem even 15+ years ago. For whatever reason, most teachers and faculty turn a blind eye to bullying, but a kid who fights back will almost certainly be punished.

2. By drugs do you mean unnecessary medication? You can thank pharma and the teachers union for that one - schools get additional funding for having more "learning disabled" kids, so everyone who can't retain focus (because the teachers suck at their job) gets medicated for money.

3. Narrative supercedes reality.

4. This is part of a much bigger problem in that public schools don't actually teach kids to be functioning adults, but rather to take college entry exams. I took both a budgeting class and a practical math class as electives my senior year and they are by far the two most useful courses I ever took in high school.

5. See #3

6. See #2

7. This will never not be an issue. Everyone gets along with different people in different ways, and teachers and students are no different.

8. See #3, but this one leans more into trying to appease multiple incompatible points of view simultaneously in an effort to be as agreeable or inoffensive as possible.

9. See #1. Faculty are largely cowards who just want to keep their jobs secure, and punishing the "weaker" victim is in their minds, better than doing nothing.

10. That is the feminist movement in the teachers union. Like with #8 it sounds egalitarian, agreeable, blah blah blah on paper, but this anti-family, anti-life, corporatist mindset is extremely destructive psychologically, and is pretty much condemning the women who buy into it to be miserable spinsters later in life.

11. Even in 2010, I had to correct my own college professor who was apparently oblivious to the fact that what she was railing against was already illegal, and had been for almost 50 years. This feeds into a more prominent problem now in which huge swaths of the population believe that their personal feelings override reality, anything they like is a human right, and anything they hate should be banned. In part of the leftist establishment (which the teachers union is deeply in bed with) agenda to upend the country, they have attacked pretty much every component of the original Bill of Rights except for the Quartering of Troops.

12. See #3.

[WilliamPamer446]

I dont understand why giving someone more money to make more choices that keep not working is effective.

See my school reform ideas I mentioned. Financial decision making classes, punish repeated bullies more harshly, help troubled kids out by trying to find a good therapist for them in the school, have a recess like thing for kids to get time to hang out out side play with gym class toys play on there phone listen to music interact with eachother hangout so they get extra social time and can connect more. If kids can connect more, maybe they'll treat eachother better.

[BCA6010]

Money in itself isn't the answer at all, and in fact as I alluded to in my points, is actually feeding the problem. We could easily spend less with better efficiency and better end results, but doing so would be career suicide for any politician, manager, etc who seriously pushes it due to the incredible power of the teachers union and the media. The US spends an absurdly large sum of money per Capita on education - by far the largest in the world - but has very little to show for it. Even our "top" universities are really only remarkable for the contacts and networking rather than the education itself. Regarding the mental state of students, regular counseling can go a long way in the interim, but the country itself absolutely has to stop attacking and breaking up the family unit for a lasting impact. And yes, digital media should be almost completely banned in primary schooling outside of specific classes aimed at practical computer skills. It sounds draconian but especially after working as a manager and having to hire and deal with high school age kids who are basically empty shells rather than people with no social or problem-solving skills of their own, I think the measures are warranted.

[WilliamPamer446]

I think we agreeing. See my ideas aren't that bad, there not racist or whatever, there just not with the mainsteam left wing narrative.

[WilliamPamer446]

I didn't ask this question to start a fight. I wanna open up a real, healthy, productive, chill conversation.

[Ghostykill3r]

Should we not put anymore money into infrastructure just because our infrastructure isn't good? There are absolutely problems with the US education systems, but it won't get better by doing nothing, it won't get better with reduced funding, and it won't get better if we don't talk about these issues. You should also look at the fact that many of the places with the worst education systems and lowest test scores are in two places, places of high poverty (where they need more money) and places that generally vote republican.

[WilliamPamer446]

You need to actually criticize the administartors and teachers and call them out on toxic behavior and figure out whos doing it and who needs to stop.

You need to add recess sort of thing, for teenagers, to get outside after lunch for a certain amount of time. This will help with anxiety and pressures, give them more time to connect.

Stop making stupid rules like banning consensual hugging. My generation needs to connect more without stupid school system stifiling our connections.

Stop forcing your politics on them.

Stop forcing troubled kids on bad drugs. Understand and talk to them more instead.

Stop coddling the violent bullies.

[NamerOfStars]

Basic logic, dude: as it stands, the current education system sucks. How is it supposed to get BETTER without more attention? And how are we supposed to motivate improvements without more money? Now, you will complain that simply throwing money at problems doesn't solve them, and you'd be correct, but it's a vital step- "defund education" is just "defund the police", only called out by a different pack of braying morons.

[WilliamPamer446]

Alright, why dont we have a calm conversation on a solution?

Because the more money we threw at them, didn't help the problem. We need to help kids with financial decision making.

First of all, teachers need to be humbled. One of the first steps to stopping arrogant toxic behavior is to humble the person and get them to actually think about it. And right now, we coddle teachers and that doesn't help that much. I am not saying to DEFUND education, I am saying stop putting more and more money into it. Some of that money needs to go to other things.

Teenagers dont need to be taught far left dogma. We need more political neutrality. The good ideas will win out. Teenagers dont need engineering from teachers on what to think. That just makes them angry and rebel.

[NamerOfStars]

Um, throwing money ABSOLUTELY helped the problem- it just didn't solve it. If you really think increasing education funding didn't help with social issues, then take a walk through Cabrini-Green, then take another walk through in 1993. Buy a bulletproof vest before you try the latter, though. Is it a great panacea to all of society's woes? Of course not- but it HELPS.

Now, what makes you claim teachers need to be "humbled"? You don't like the political angles they're pushing; that's fine, but front-line teachers aren't the people setting policy- that's done way higher up in the administration.

[WilliamPamer446]

I know its an admins somewheres fault, but regular teachers are not infallible and they are often toxic to kids. Not all of course

[WilliamPamer446]

Teachers are not immune to criticism. There is a lot they need to stop doing. And they need to stop putting troubled kids on the wrong medicine. They need to actually talk to the troubled kid and understand whats going on with him and respect him more and not coddle violent bullies.

[WilliamPamer446]

I have mental struggles myself, I hated the way teachers treated me and a lot of the other kids.

[OddBeMe]

1) several items on your list have nothing to do with education systems. Like medication. Talk to their family physician.
2) liberals are for ending standardized tests, which are antiquated and often have less up-to-date info. But ironically it’s conservatives who fight them on that. Why?
3) coddling bullies? Wha? Teachers or principals aren’t beating the shit out of them but they’re not being coddled.

[WilliamPamer446]

(1 a lot of families are toxic and make the problem worse. you can't just not hold the schools accountable. i have mental struggles myself, I've seen this shit play out. i was on bad meds in high school.

2. I agree with that. And I have ideas on improving the school system. I dont think it has to do with money. A recess for high schoolers, go outside and hang out. Gives more time for socialization and can help build coping skills for students that have a lot of anxiety. Stop coddling the violent bullies.

[WilliamPamer446]

They are being bullied. I've seen it myself. I have autism and adhd. Myself and others have been msiteated terribly by our peers and the teachers didn't care and wanted to take the bullies side cuz there soft.

[OddBeMe]

Again, education system has nothing to do with meds. And bullying is an issue. I guess it comes down to how much should we punish them.

[WilliamPamer446]

its not how much, its how you do it. and we need to find out how to help the victims without telling the victims that they better handle it the soft way or "go to the teacher." or demonize self defense. We shouldn't stifle teenagers creative ideas to handle bullying. Teenagers can have better ideas than adults. They should have a whole assembly dedicated to meeting and maybe student council members and kids who are bullied or kids who want to support them can talk about how to solve the problem. And we can't control the bully, we can control how we solve the problem and there dogmatic way of thinking that there is only one way to solve it is the problem.

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. Also, “Telling young girls their career is all their life is about”…where’d you get that?

[jshm2]

Get your head out your ass as it's nothing to do with "leftists". Rather, it's more to do with trying to provide a balanced education, with available funds and resources.

[WilliamPamer446]

Hey dont insult me I am pointing out REAL problems. Dont disrespect on my my post. or you can leave. Dont curse at me. I want you to respond to the points I made. Your far left policies are proven to have failed. You "liberals" won't criticize the actual teachers or the teacher unions. And you won't account for the fact that "leftist" ignored us autistic and adhd people during the pandemic.

[Dargil]

Best to homeschool kids now. Some, but not all, parochial schools can't even be trusted. My kid got a "participation trophy". WTF is THAT?

[msc545]

We keep putting money into it because it is legally required and also needed. No amount of distortion such as you wrote will turn schools into right-wing indoctrination centers as you seem to wish.

[worldscolide]

Let's not forget tell you NG the students to lie to their parents.

[worldscolide]

Let's not forget telling the students to lie to their parents.. Fucking auto correct.

[WilliamPamer446]

Yeah that happens but the question was about why support a school system that doing this to kids.

And they can lie for good or bad reasons. I lied to my parents a lot, because they were toxic. Parents can be so toxic. My mom is a very toxic person. Parents these days aren't always helpful.

[WilliamPamer446]

I just wanna hear your response to that and why leftists, or you if you agree with that premise, that putting more money into schools is a good idea. They aren't doing a good job with kids, all kids.

[WilliamPamer446]

They seem to instigate racial tension and not help autistic adhd kids. They do have guidance counselors, but they are weak sellouts.

[WilliamPamer446]

I had a bad day man. Im gonan try to talk calmly. Can we have a calm discussion about this stuff

[worldscolide]

I don't. I plan to home school

[WilliamPamer446]

Oh yeah. I think home schooling is a good option to. But still like go to ymca and youth club hangout places and stuff. Like to help them interact with people.

[WilliamPamer446]

They will have high social anxiety if they go to a school. And when you try to find a good school for them, there's always a risk, and you wanna help them navigate the potential toxic elements. I wanna protect my kids from those.

[WilliamPamer446]

If I ever have children, I would protect them from the school systems.

[Astarlessnightsky]

I guess to fix the problems.

[WilliamPamer446]

They have bad ideas to fix the problems though.

What are your solutions?

I want to fix problems with the school system to, but to put more money into it and people who get the money handle it poorly I dont think thats a good idea.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Politicians are pretty powerless all they can do is to make efforts to change laws and/or provide additional federal money.

One thing is guranteed, if there is a problem, without money its going to get worse.

[WilliamPamer446]

I dont trust the federation

[WilliamPamer446]

Im not saying to take money out of schools, maybe stop spending money on things that dont work and teach kids skills they need like financial decision making and stop doing certain things like teaching them false history and pushing politics on them and be tougher on the bad kids and be more understanding of the truobled kids and make school less stifled with dumb rules and give teenagers some time like a recess to get all that stress out of them but like a big kid recess they go outside for a certain amount of time to get all that anxiety out of there system

[WilliamPamer446]

what I mean by "big kid recess" is give them balls or whatever and let them listen to music and stuff and let them get some fresh air so there not inside of a building all day

[WilliamPamer446]

schools need to take some accountability, I think.

[Anonymous]

Because it is indoctrination not education anymore