Why have people ended up normalizing teenage pregnancy?

[Anonymous]

theyve been treating it like it is something to be proud of. saying its a "blessing". wtf.

[nightdrot]

Well, here is an interesting little statistic, almost half of all pregnancies in the United States are out of wedlock. That is a figure that would have horrified the culture little more than 30 years ago.

So put in that context, teenage pregnancy is suddenly just part of a larger statistic. It is not therefore deserving of any particular moral opprobrium - something about pots calling kettles black and all that.

To be sure, the statistics on teenage pregnancy do not show that it has promising consequences. The children of such pregnancies usually do not thrive and tend to do poorly in school and life and are as apt as not to be involved themselves in a teen pregnancy. The boys in such relationships more often than not do not stay with mother and child. The mother, of course, does not usually get far in life either.

Thus a pathology is perpetuated one generation to the next. It is not a pretty picture.

About the ONLY thing that MIGHT be said about "normalizing" teen pregnancy is that - as you cannot un-ring the cultural bell - it is possible that as the stigma fades, it is possible that society may make greater accommodation for it. Thus teen parents may begin to stay together and various accommodations made in social services and the culture to allow such families - for by default that is what they are - to stay together.

Not saying that will happen, but societies adapt and they may just do so in this case. Of course, it becomes chicken or the egg.

Foster a culture of greater acceptability and - this is key - accountability, and teen parents may stick together and raise healthy children. By the same token, an ethos of greater accountability may lead to a reduction in teen pregnancy and thus the need for an ethos of accountability. That would be, perhaps, a happy outcome, but it is problematic. Round and round it goes.

Bottom line is that teen pregnancy is merely one symptom of a broader cultural trend. It is an effect and not a cause. The best then that can be hoped for is that by "normalizing" it, the reduced social pressures will help keep teen parents together and thus help build happier families from VERY unpromising beginnings.

Is that likely - no. The one thing that the culture is VERY averse to at the moment is expecting that individuals will take responsibility for their actions. See also the spate of police shootings - people resist arrest and the society is astounded to find that bad things can result from such action.

That all said, it should not be forgotten in the midst of all this that a child is at the center of it all. The care of that child and the removal of a stigma for which the child is not to blame should be priority one. In that sense, fretting about what teen boys and girls are doing is simply missing the point and trying to fix the barn door after the horse is gone.

[likelyOK]

I did not read all of it but a lot. Not saying teen pregnancy is great but a ton of people used to get pregnant out of wedlock even my grandparents did. It was really common, the difference is people got married for better or for worse. Do you think if men were still taught to marry women who they got pregnant like they used to society would benefit? It’s a real question I’m thinking it about posting it, expect their are so many trolls on here.

[nightdrot]

@likelyOK Short answer, I addressed that in my answer above.

As far as the incidence of teen pregnancy, yes there has always been some. Now, however, almost half of ALL pregnancies are out of wedlock. This I say as a man who has three children with his girlfriend.

The data are pretty clear, children born to out of wedlock parents - especially teen parents - do not fare well. For that matter, the teen parents do not fare well.

As far as marriage - and again I say this as a man who decided, along with my girlfriend, that we did not want to be married - there is no doubt that, overall, on the whole. it is beneficial. As an anthropological matter marriage developed as a social institution to protect women. Indeed, once upon a time, the marriage license was enforceable - BY LAW.

The culture has changed, "no-fault divorce" has become the norm, and the stats show that women and children have paid a price. Of course, societal institutions do not endure where the culture does not sustain them,

However, that said, as a sociological matter, there can be no doubt that marriage has, on the whole, been beneficial to women and children. As far as men marrying women that they get pregnant, again, absent the cultural underpinnings it is hard to be sure. However, on balance, the data show that it is better than not.

[TheorionMage]

You only need to look NO farther than Genesis of both the Hebrew Torah and Christian Bible "... be fruitful and multiply" .

A career $$$ hierarchy has overlain THEIR agenda, 'editorializing' the alleged "word of God" as GOD'S intermediaries, despite the omnipotent omniscient Sentience's MANIFEST expression of GOD'S Will. Homo Sapiens manifests a WIDE range of contextual fertility. The youngest chronicled successful pregnancy is Lina Medina of Peru who CONCEIVED at six years three month's of age!

What YOU characterize as 'normalizing' is in fact, laying aside a socio-religious promulgated 'preference' in recognition of OBSERVABLE 'NATURALLY EVOLVED' intuitive desire, CONJOINED WITH a hypocritical and DELIBERATE denial of pragmatic reproductive education provided openly in a timely fashion and without moralistic censure. Human teenage year's are synchronous with PEAK Homo Sapien fertility and as such has evolved to peak Libidinal drive and susceptibility~

The FIRST 'Law of GOD' is for (ANY) One's species to carry forward to the NEXT iteration by whatever contextual 'advantage'. To protractedly behave in recognition of otherwise, would be evolutionally immature and vainly hubris ~

[Sarahr123]

Teenage pregnancy is not a taboo. In fact it IS normal by virtue of the fact that teens can get pregnant and carry a child to term. I would have had a child at 17/18 myself if I had the chance at the time. I come from a culture where having kids before marriage IS taboo so I couldn’t do that. The time between 18-24 a woman is in her most fertile period and it is biologically the best age to have babies.

I really don’t think it’s a big deal to have a baby at 14 or 16 at all. My maternal grandmother had her first baby at 16. My paternal grandmother was married at 17 but due to complications she had her first child at 21 otherwise she would have had a baby at 18 too,

My paternal great-grandmother who is now in her 80s had her first baby at the age of 10 or 11 I believe. She was married at the age of nine. It was common practice for rural folk in India at the time to marry a girl off once she was physically mature - which is when a girl reaches the age of first menarche. The first period is seen as the mark of womanhood because it means that she is now physically capable of reproducing thus making her eligible for marriage. A union would be fixed with a boy a few years older.

I myself started puberty early so I only curse myself for not having produced any children yet. I hope to have a child before or in my 25th year.

[NoManTwo]

Good outlook.

[yofuknutz]

Shaming people doesn't work in the long run it fails it's like trying to shaming somebody for coming in for a root canal you need to go to the bottom of the problem why people are becoming deadbeat parents and that goes for both sides sometimes the mothers do it too one thing I can tell you is if a parent a person has to come home to a screaming nagging house home environment all the time one of them is going to snap sooner or later sometimes it's Mama who snaps and nobody really addresses this they just want to collect child support and that's it

[crazyish]

They probably aren't saying the pregnancy is a blessing, but more that the baby is. People have problems and struggle with accepting responsibility for their own actions. In all honesty if you are participating in sex, even protected sex, and you are a teenager then by all accounts you are ok with it and are normalizing teenage pregnancy. It makes anyone who says otherwise a hypocrite. And yes protected sex is not 100% so that claim is invalid along with ignorance.

Biologically, girls are child-bearing age when they start menstruating which the average age is 12. Back in the day, it was acceptable and even encouraged by society for girls to be married off at 15 for a better chance of conceiving children. But with advances in medical technology, society has deemed it unacceptable these days. Tbh it just comes down to people's personal perspective and preference either way. It happens but if people aren't ok with it then they will have a better chance of stopping it by addressing the cause instead of shaming the naturally proven outcome. It's common sense.

[razelove]

For most of our history teenage pregnancy was the norm, only in the last 100 to 120 years has that changed. Hell, the age of consent as an idea is one that only came into being in the 1880's. At that time in the US age of consent ranged from 7 to 12. I'm guessing that lower bound was for arranged marriages... at least I hope so.

Anyway, it only got raised to 16-18 by the 1920's as an effort to battle child prostitution, not teenage pregnancy. The first child labor laws in the US came in 1938, so making a livelihood and a family was something you were expected to do young.

It isn't so much normalizing teen pregnancy as it being a stigma for 2 or 3 generations in rich countries. I'd guess families are just happy to see their families grow, especially if they have the resources and support to do so. Rather than it being a source of pride, I think it's more that they don't see a need to send their daughters to a convent, lock them away or shame them over their choices.

The stigma is going away more so than teen pregnancies being viewed as normal or heroic. That's just my opinion though, there are certainly shows like "16 and pregnant" that sell the idea. Either way, they have to grow up fast like their ancestors as now another life is depending on them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#:~:text=The%20government%20was%20forced%20to,it%20was%20seven%20in%201895).

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/child-labor

[zeitgeist057]

Biologically speaking, it's always been normal. Biologically speaking, abnormal is a sexually reproducing species that as a whole restricts some of its sexually mature individuals from engaging in consensual sexual interactions with other sexually mature individuals.

What I mean is , for all other sexually reproducing species, whenever they mature to a point where they are able to create progeny is usually when they start creating progeny. That's "normal". Humans are the aberration from the norm.

Unfortunately, not even our cultural sexual repression can stem the tide of horniness that has been the driving force for the continuation of the species, and the resulting seething biomass of newborns flowing from our loins daily.

As we approach 8 billion and choke out other species

As for the "it's a blessing" thing, that's another fun aspect of human culture: religion.

[bamesjond0069]

"Unfortunately, not even our cultural sexual repression can stem the tide of horniness that has been the driving force for the continuation of the species" except sexual repression is the vastly superior mating strategy. See ultra religious sects... has 12 children. See sexually free zero repression hedonists... zero children. Biologically speaking our species is a failure without sexual repression, at least since the invention of birth control.

[Texaskid1]

It is a return to olden times.

Keep in mind that through most of human history it was normal to have kids while you were a teen. The idea that one should wait until the late 20's or early thirties is a relatively new concept in human history that came to fruition in the last 50 years of the 20th century. This is understandable since now we have a higher standard of living , birth control , and a longer life span.

From a biological perspective once you hit puberty around 12-13 years old you could start having children. I think this is telling as to the average life span not to mention the conditions of our early ancestors.

Back in the day when life was rough due to limited food supply , wars , raids , pillaging , no birth control , no modern medicine , no modern standards of hygiene , no knowledge of the germ theory ( or even that microbes existed) was the order of the day. More people died young. So women had to start popping out kids in their teens and as many as possible too if we wanted to survive as a species.

[Anonymous]

Call me traditional, conservative, or a cave dweller, I'd still say that teenage pregnancy is bad.
The people who normalises teen pregnancies are the same ones who normalises casual sex.
I think casual sex is something which should never be normalised, casual sex is one of the main causes of teenage pregnancies or unwanted pregnancies and STDs.
So as long as casual sex is seen as a normal part of everyone's lives, teenage pregnancies and unwanted pregnancies will happen.
If adults never normalises casual sex, teenagers won't go sleeping around and end up being pregnant.
Many teenagers have sex due to peer pressure, the only reason why there's peer pressure is because of the normalising of casual sex.

[bamesjond0069]

you're one of the ass backwards traditional people who are causing a lot of these social problems. You are half traditional and half not and it doesn't fit. Casual sex is bad. However people aren't capable as a whole of waiting forever and ever. In the past people were married and then pregnant teens. Now they are single pregnant teens. Choose one. There aren't any other realistic options.

[Opinion Owner]

Which century are you from? I'm not causing any sort of social problems, illiterate ones like you are the ones who cause it. Casual sex is bad and Teenage pregnancies are bad as well period.
"People are not capable of waiting forever"? I'm exactly talking about horny people like you anyway. No wonder why STDs are increasing day by day. "In the past people were married and pregnant teens now single pregnant teens", this is where education comes into play, and you definitely lack the capacity to think other than those two options that you provided. Your literacy stopped there!

[bamesjond0069]

"you definitely lack the capacity to think other than those two options that you provided." You know of any other REALISTIC options? I can think of 20 others but not realistic ones. Girls do not wait. Boys only wait as long as girls make them. If a teen girl wants sex she's going to have it. That simple. Now either she can be taught to get married first or she can be taught to use a condom. Or she can be taught nothing and get knocked up. But if you think you can make teen girls behave in a logical fashion you are delusional. Everyone going to disagree with you about that one. Lmfao.

[Opinion Owner]

There are many countries in the world where teens don't go about sleeping around. Perhaps you think the place where you're from is the only place in this planet. In my culture, most teenagers don't sleep around rather they're busy with their studies and are concerned about their future.
Culture makes a lot of difference. And children follow the ways of their parents, if their parents do not have any values the children would definitely follow the same.
And yes, I do think parents can make teen girls and teen boys behave in a logical way and if you think otherwise, you're delusional.
Noone will disagree with me!

[bamesjond0069]

In your culture they are either getting married young or they are just good at sneaking around and pulling the wool over your eyes.

You know how many innocent go to school go to church live with their family, not allowed out late girls I have met that just want to spread their legs the first chance they get? A lot! Its bullshit. Does some girls not do this, sure, but the vast majority of girls are going to have sex before 20, period, case closed married or not. Whether you are in america or Europe or africa or china it doesn't matter. Whether poor or rich or religious or not. Quit lying to yourself and being oblivious.

[bamesjond0069]

For example i courted one girl from church. I met her parents and won them over. The dad said my daughter is waiting until marriage. I was ok with that. Awesome! But when I was allowed to get to know the girl alone, she said, "so lets have sex" and I asked about the waiting for marriage and she said "haha i haven't been a virgin since 15" lmfao i mean its sad but parents are fucking retards. This is why you got to marry daughters off asap or just accept they are having sex out side of marriage. There isn't other options short of imprisonment so no men are near them like up in a castle tower or other extreme nonsensical ideas.

[Opinion Owner]

Lol, typical ignorance of the west!
That's your culture, there are other cultures were girls don't sleep around. And why are you confusing it with religion? There are many people who have very good values even tho they're not religious.
In your culture, perhaps girls start to sleep around perhaps from 13 years, that's the reason why 13 year olds in your culture have one or two babies it's also the reason for illiteracy.

[bamesjond0069]

America is not a mono culture. It was in the past more but now its clearly multi cultural. The culture having the most teen pregnancy issues are the traditional conservative ones. They say no sex before marriage but instead of celebrating their daughter's for being married at a young age they all of a sudden now expect them to go to college for 4 years and still wait. But it absolutely is not happening. Its not the culture. Unless they are chopping off womens toes for premarital sex, women as a whole do not wait to 20 to have sex as a general rule. In no time place or culture in all history has that been the norm.

[Opinion Owner]

Problem with your culture is you think the world revolves around you. You're the same ones who wouldn't even be able to spot your own country if shown the world map.
Illiteracy is your problem!
You do not have the capacity to think outside your culture, you think everyone acts like you, while being in America I won't blame you, most Americans do not know anything outside America, infact they do not even know they live on Earth!

[bamesjond0069]

You sound like you are off your meds. I can point out countries on a map just fine. Obviously China is next to Argentina.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not off meds. Perhaps you're.
Go to school!

[bamesjond0069]

Lmfao thats not correct English sweetie pie. Granted im assuming English isn't your first language but the irony of calling someone illiterate and telling them to go to school written with glaring spelling issues is quite funny.

[Opinion Owner]

English isn't definitely my first language, and do you think being literate=knowing English? Then you should start from kindergarten because you're definitely illiterate 🤦🏻😂😂
Thanks for proving my point that Americans are dumbasses!

[bamesjond0069]

Literate means being able to read and write. Seeing as thats how we are communicating it makes very little sense to use that as an insult. 😄 🤣

[Opinion Owner]

Feel sorry for you, do you think the US is on Mars or on Jupiter?
I actually thought the media was exaggerating when they said Americans are dumbasses, but you proved it wrong, lol they weren't exaggerating at all!

[The_Maphio]

Well consider that the older generations had children before being 19, so teen pregnancy is actually kind of standard. Let's just say that in our culture, having them before the age of consent has always been taboo. But conceptions happening at 16 or 17 wasn't uncommon at all.

Let's just say that it's not wise. For if that pissed off your parents, what would a teenage couple do to keep the newborn family afloat? Work. Thus renouncing studying or enjoying your teenage years normally. Kinda dumb move if you ask me.

[Apple1996]

It has always been something that's normal. Most of our parents, grandparents or great grandparents had kids in their teens. I got pregnant at 17 and I never thought of myself as being different then any other women that was pregnant. It's still a blessing regardless of the age of the mother.

[bamesjond0069]

Thats really beautiful! Think of how close you all will be when your child is 17 and you're 34 instead of 44. My friends (married couple) have that sort of age difference with their daughter who is now 20 and they are i think extra close because of it.

[Apple1996]

@bamesjond0069 yeah I'm pretty happy that my kids will be adults while I'm in my 30s. I'm pregnant right now and already worrying about how I'll be 43 when this one is 18

[bamesjond0069]

How many do you have?

[Apple1996]

@bamesjond0069 I have two and I'm pregnant so technically three

[bamesjond0069]

Congrats! That is awesome! Lucky you!

[Apple1996]

@bamesjond0069 thank you!

[Anonymous]

I’m wondering the same thing at my school the girls who have had kids in high school are either looked at as sluts or people praise them but tbh I think it depends on the situation all the girls at my school are just people who think it’s cool and basically got pregnant just to get pregnant and one of them didn’t want it and calls her child a mistake and isn't a good teen mom and has two children already and she’s a jr we have one freshman who is pregnant rn and doesn’t know who the baby daddy is because there are like 4 different people who she thinks it could be now in my jr high school there was one girl who had over 5 abortions in one year because her step dad was raping her so she couldn’t get away from it and same with my boyfriends family there is a lot of sexual abuse that went on causing preteen pregnancies and other sad situations tbh I feel bad for some of these people for the way they where either raised or put in bad situations

[ImpMontezuma]

To find if teenager's pregnancy something good or bad (as well as finding anything is good or bad) depends on the person's values.

So, what would be good in a pregnancy, EVEN for a teenager?
* A new person in the family, like a new heir
* Someone to continue your life. (which in fact is the object of all living beings)
* It will compel the person to be more responsible.

Anyway, if the person values ​​those things, then that person will like that idea.

And what would be bad in the pregnancy of an adolescent?

* If the person expects this teenager to prioritize something else before having a child (such as education, or career success)
* If the person doesn't trust that this adolescent is responsibility enough
and that will compromise his/her life and/or his/her child.

Anyway, actually, analyzing whether the person likes or not the idea of a teenager's pregnancy will help you to identify which set of these values ​​that person has.

[Smashingdoozy]

They get shamed no matter what they do...

Shamed for having an abortion
Shamed for giving it up for adoption.
Shamed for keeping it.

Normalize not shaming people for making a choice about their own lives.

[jerdanro]

I agree they shouldn't be shamed, but taking steps to not get pregnant is probably the wiser choice. I know that isn't always possible and that accidents happen. I think it's a parents job to talk to their kids about safe sex. I'd also rather my daughters be on birth control once they are sexually active.

[The_Maphio]

I'd be all for it, OP, if it wasn't that most often than not they make their beds but are not ready to sleep in it. You "make a choice", slang for "fucking up", should be fixed by the one who fucked up, not their parents or the government. That's what most of you "make a choice" people forget to include in the reasoning.

[Smashingdoozy]

Sex education needs to be better and parents need to be more open about sex.

[jerdanro]

I agree. Pretending teens aren't having sex is foolish.

[Smashingdoozy]

Yep and telling them not to, well you may as well give them a special room to fuck in if you are going to "ban" them from sex.

[Redred56]

Just my opinion ONLY~~~~
But I have seen long before todays normalization over pregnancy’s, Parents yes parents. Well it seems like parents back then took very little interest in their daughters
affairs. And it did not matter either! From school (Education), Job, Life choices (Pregnant). If you want to avoid a life being dependent on say the government. Let’s be honest here, when you are you are existing and NOT living.
1. Get a Education (Graduate) 2. Get a job
3. Don’t have a child out of wedlock (Get married)
4. Make sure he/she has goals (And is working)
Those are things that are being forgotten and even the media keeps talking
FoodStamps/Welfare/Unemployment instead of the above. If you do those you will gain self esteem like never before and see a bright future!
It’s a matter of giving up on the government, Now start relying on you!

[Hyped_up_on_coffee]

Teen pregnancy has been happening for centuries now , and I think it’s less off a taboo since Juno and Teen mom came out. And teenage girls are more fertile than people in their 20’s and 30’s so it happens , and it’s likely that their parents didn’t talk to them about safe sex and condoms. I don’t think they are too happy because their daughter’s life will be harder but are willing to be supportive, they are gaining a new family member if she chooses to keep it.

[Sarahr123]

Women in their 20s - especially early 20s are actually very fertile. The early 20s are the prime years of a woman’s fertility. The 30s is when it begins to decline. You need to check your facts.

[modelUN242]

@Sarahr123 You’ve been brainwashed by feminism it’s actually mid to late teens for girls.

[Sarahr123]

@modelUN242 I have not been brainwashed. I think you need to go to school and study science. Fertility declines in the 30s. It’s known and is a biological fact. Plus not everyone is the same. The women in my family are more fertile than you and your generation put together. All the women get pregnant in their first attempt each time and have 4/5 kids each. They all had kids between 18-33. You can’t say the same for yourself 😂😂😂 I am not even a feminist lool I am far from it

[Hyped_up_on_coffee]

This argument is silly but teens are more likely to get accidentally pregnant. And I guess in my family’s situation we have fibroids and it’s affected me in my 20’s.

[modelUN242]

@Sarahr123 Telling me to go to school and study science is a pretty dumb rhetoric. I know that fertility declines after 30ish. I was saying PEAK FERTILITY is 16-20ish.
And saying you’re more fertile than blah blah means you don’t know how to argue properly. Lame... And I don’t care about your fucking family lol.

[Sarahr123]

@modelUN242 You seem to assume that every woman is the same. We’re not all the same. Some of us are fertile as hell and get preggers straight away - literally married today and a baby in nine months, whereas others take ages like more than three months to get preggers or don’t get preggers at all.

[Laciandmaci]

I think girls who get pregnant as a teen is very dumb and immature. If they wanted to sleep around they should have been on proper birth control and using protection. If they can't get access to it, do not have sex simple as that. It is not hard to say no, trust me been there, I still say no.

[BirdshotJohn]

The mainstream of our society is reeeeaaaally in love with "Pretty Lies". Few people want to tell uncomfortable truths, particularly when those uncomfortable truths usually end up sounding judgmental to people who are now facing difficult circumstances.

Essentially, people tell what they think are 'white lies' to protect the emotions of people who don't have any good way out of a situation. Unfortunately, doing so leads more people to follow down that same path.

The other main reason is that they don't want the child to be killed to eliminate the problem; someone using the term "blessing" is likely at least a little bit in this camp.

[DaisyM23]

Yeah it’s really weird. I found out last year that a girl I knew back in yr11 (so freshman in usa i think?) PLANNED to have a baby with her boyfriend and she’s a mum now to a really cute baby. but yeah it’s so strange and I don’t know why people would choose to have a baby so young because it completely changes your life and the worlds so shitty now and eurgh do what you want but i still find it weird

[likelyOK]

I don't know I’d rather see them than see abortions. Of course teen pregnancy is a bad thing. I wish I could create sex education in schools I’d have a whole “Scared Straight” approach where teen moms and dads talked about how exhausted they were etc. I would love to implement a program that shames dead beats as well. I’d make a whole quarter on consent.
I don’t know how to battle it bc many people KNOW how to prevent pregnancy and still don’t use condoms SMH

[Gosceewual]

Abortion is like stopping something that never happened, not killing

There's 10000 unborn children in my nutsack that I "abort" everyday into tissue... Am I commiting murder?
No, because they need existed, u can't kill something that was never Alive... Same with abortion, there's not a problem with abortion, I wish I was aborted, cos I wouldn't of even known if I was, it's not like I would of felt pain, because when you're at the age of a fetus... Your not yet conscious or experience things like thoughts or pain... A fetus is alive, but not conscious and thinking... They're more like a flower in that it's alive and growing, but not a person with a mind who thinks and stuff, u get me?
Abortion is fine

[Gosceewual]

Have u never seen the word "abort programme" pop up on computer screen?
Abortion is the same thing, it's jus means canceling it... It doesn't say "kill programme"

[likelyOK]

@Gosceewual no that what’s birth control is good bye get off my feed

[modelUN242]

Premarital sex is normalized, that’s why. But this is still better than the psychos who promote abortions.

[PeytonVB]

Anyone who promotes abortion... should honestly not be a allowed to have kids in my opinion.

[modelUN242]

@PeytonVB Yeah, they should just get their tubes tied.

[Adam1978]

I wouldn't call someone that wants to correct a obviously bad decision or event as a promoter of abortion. They are most likely supporter of birth control. And if you are careful you won't need abortion at all.

[modelUN242]

@Adam1978 Well, the fact that it's mainstream, I have no choice to use that. There are abortion clinics where I live and women can go there without feeling guilty, that's the problem.

[Adam1978]

Well still better then kids without family that wants them. Being forced into a life your not ready for useally doesn't end up making you the best parent. It will create a lot of broken families and kids, which we also see in today's society. But that's not caused by access to abortion, it's the result feminism without a brain since they don't think what their choices will cause, before doing them. And then they blame men because they won't deal with her bad choices.

[modelUN242]

@Adam1978 Abortion is still immoral. A child is a blessing, not a burden. And, adoption is an option. That's why I mentioned premarital sex, because that's the cause of needing an abortion, it's unplanned and irresponsible.

[Adam1978]

Well its as immoral as getting pregnant when your not ready to be a parent. Your not helping that future kid in either case.

[modelUN242]

@Adam1978 That's not immoral, many people become pregnant without expecting the baby but they still take responsibility. That's why I respect teen moms more than the ones who get an abortion because at least a baby is seen as a miracle from God.

[Adam1978]

You don't accidentally get pregnant, you allow the chance to become it by choice. So everyone that isn't raped choose to take that chance. Planning or no planning is irrelevant. You should know what you can provide for a kid and if that is enough for a good life. Stop calling it a blessing, it's a responsibility and hard work, which can become a blessing if done correctly. But it's because all that hard effort you put in not because of a diety.

[modelUN242]

@Adam1978 Why do people always use the rape argument, you know that super rare? And why do you promote abortion yourself? Is it because you don’t want to take responsibility. Yes, kids are a blessing. The fall of Rome happened because women weren’t having enough children,

[modelUN242]

@Adam1978 Abortions are just a lazy way out and you will pay the price. People who usually get it are broken and corrupt.

[Adam1978]

It's broken people who need it the most. Spare the child the pain to have such parents. I don't see what abortion has to do with corruption? Lack of abortion leads to idiotcrazy, ie the dumb and stupid will out breed the smart. Because they don't think, they just suffer the consequences.

[modelUN242]

@Adam1978 Actually no, feminism directly allowed for abortion to be okay. Families were stable before abortion was legalized, explain that? You’re just making excuses at this point. Those people should just cut their tubes if they don’t want children, it’s free in Canada.

[PeytonVB]

There’s no excuse for an abortion... it IS and always will be immoral. As she said, children are a blessing not a burden.

[modelUN242]

@PeytonVB Thank you 👏👏

[Adam1978]

I was not talking about abortion, when it came to new wave of feminism. I talked about broken people and relationships. The old first wave made sense and they did not want to destroy the core family and relationship values. And there is plenty of cases where abortion is the right way, going full term is bad. Why would you go full term and take the risk with your body, if you can't support or keep the child. It's not like there is a shortage of people on this planet.

[modelUN242]

@Adam1978 Cut your tubes than.

[Adam1978]

Why I am not having this issue, there is no risk of unwanted pregnancy in my life. And you forgetting other reasons for abortion such as when something is wrong with the baby. It's better to abort a flawed child and try again then having to raise a kid who can't have a normal life. And do that for the rest of your life instead of just have normal one a bit later.

[Anonymous]

Who is this? If they’re already pregnant then maybe they’re just trying to adapt to the situation. If not then who knows. I don’t think it’s wise personally but so long as it’s those people’s own well informed choice you just kinda have to accept that.

[Opinion Owner]

Now if someone was being forced into that when they didn’t really want to, that would likely be classed as abuse.

[jerdanro]

But how often is teen pregnancy an informed choice vs. an accident? I don't know if most teen mothers fully appreciate the consequences or difficulty even if the father is in the picture.

[Opinion Owner]

@jerdanro I agree, but ultimately it is their choice that we have to accept, all we can do is help to guide, not control (unless they’re under 16 then it’s more of a safeguarding issue).

[jerdanro]

I agree completely.

[fonduegirl]

Giving birth, however painful on the woman, is seen as something "joyous". Bundle of joy, if you will. Speak negatively only if it's your own female family member.

Cuz if I recall correctly, majority of guys are against abortion, so what now - kill the lady?

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

All babies are a Blessing. Guys need to learn how to use a condom
and Girls need to be put on birth control... No one should be put down
cause their a teen and pregnant if anything they need to comfort from
family, friends, the guy who got her pregnant... My late Great Grandma
was pregnant at age 13 and her Mother raised the baby that turned out
to be my Great Aunt but stuff happens in life

[jshm2]

Because they are?

What age were your parents when they had you? Your grandparents when they had them? You'll find the ages go down as you go along.

Mainly as lifespans were shorter the further back you go.

You're probably confused with the "single parents" issue. As that's a different thing entirely.

[slatyb]

Because the parents who advocate for "abstinence-only" miseducation are happy that their teenage daughters are getting pregnant. They pretend to be embarrassed but really they love showing off little Bubba down at the Piggly-Wiggly. Keeps the girl and the grandchild at home instead of moving to the city like all the smart kids are doing.

[AmandaYVR]

That's religion for ya.

Yeah, it's not cool. It's reckless. I don't think people should treat it lightly at all.

[NorthwestRider]

I agree, I think the world will be better off without any religion

[backontheblock22]

Yes yes communist atheist countries have such an excellent track record on human rights abuses.

Atheists used to be respectful to people of faith but in the last 5 or 10 years you people have really gotten much more aggressive and nasty. You are now ANTItheists.

Human beings need something to believe in. When they don’t have faith they start treating politics as their new religion.

So now people are putting their faith in flawed and corrupt politicians and leaders. For example the self identified neo Marxist patrisse cullors just bought a 1.4 million dollar house in a very white LA neighborhood. She talked about “supporting and protecting” her family. Also don’t forget how Bernie sanders became a millionaire selling a BOOK ABOUT SOCIALISM.

Don’t believe in a higher power? Fine. But when you start prosecuting churches you are going down a very dark and disgusting path. This has been done countless times in history. Don’t let history repeat itself.

[AmandaYVR]

@backontheblock22 Watch it, now. YOU are the one coming at us, not the other way around, buddy.

And appearances can be deceiving. Many of your assessments are inaccurate.

But I do not debate religion. I would never try to change your beliefs. (And you should do the same. Because my/our beliefs have no less conviction than yours.)
So I'm stopping here.

[backontheblock22]

Please give me a recent example of Christians/Jews aggressively and/or violently persecuting non-believers in the western world? The last notable incident was David Koresh in Waco Texas.

The United Stated has freedom of religion for a reason. If it wasn’t for that fundamental right our country would never exist today.

Also if religion is so horrible than I guess we better do away with large swaths of homeless shelters, soup kitchens, orphanages in impoverished areas, schools in impoverished areas, charities etc. Many if not most of these humanitarian organizations were inspired and funded by Judeo Christian beliefs.

Anyway I know you will aways find examples of hypocrites and sick people abusing religion for their own ends. But in general they try to help people. Whether you belief the Bible or not it really does give direction on how to live a better life.

And I’m not going to stop fighting back when I hear “religion is poison”! That militant communist slogan has been used for the last 100 years to oppress, murder and destroy innocent civilians.

[AmandaYVR]

@backontheblock22 DID I SAY "RELIGION IS POISON"? No, I did not. So fuck off with that.
YOU are spreading hate here, not me. YOU have no respect for other views. YOU are fighting some invisible morality war. YOU are making the problem worse. Not me.

Atheists are the most looked-down upon, most disparaged group on the planet now. There are polls on this.

"Atheists are one of the most disliked groups in America. Only 45 percent of Americans say they would vote for a qualified atheist presidential candidate, and atheists are rated as the least desirable group for a potential son-in-law or daughter-in-law to belong to. Will Gervais at the University of British Columbia recently published a set of studies looking at why atheists are so disliked. His conclusion: It comes down to trust."
www.scientificamerican.com/.../

You know why you don't like us? Because we don't bow down to your groupthink.

[Laciandmaci]

As a Catholic teen pregnancy is not okay, it is looked down upon.

[Avicenna]

Religion is not the cause of teen pregnancy in the US, and it's more likely that a bad home environment is.

But I guess people who hate religion can't resist taking a pop at it for everything.

[AmandaYVR]

@Avicenna Did I say religion was the cause? I addressed the question the Asker posed. Many (not all) religious people think any birth is a blessing. No matter the circumstances, they often want it to happen.
Not everyone feels this way.
And if teenagers believe they can have unprotected sex, and it will all be ok in the end... then they're getting the wrong message from some.

[Avicenna]

Actually, teenage girls who regularly attend church are the most likely to delay having sex in the first place. So it’s false to blame religious people for any normalization of teenage pregnancy.

[AmandaYVR]

@Avicenna Ok, I won't dispute that fact; I know nothing of it.
But America is the one developed nation which does not have a federally mandated sex education program in schools, and they have higher rates of STIs, teen pregnancy, and earlier onset of sexual activities than countries which do educate and are considered "liberal" by American standards.
Which states prevent sex education in schools? The devout ones.
It is reasonable to assume a cause and effect, here.

But the main points are about the "normalization of teenage pregnancy", and the belief "it's a blessing", and while the phrasing of that is debatable, I stand by what I said.

[Avicenna]

Unsurprisingly, you’ve taken an ideological approach to things. Education is generally handled at the state and local level in the US (it also is in Germany, by the way, where there are. drumroll... religion classes in high school for registered members of a religion).

Now what’s different about the demographics of the US and other developed countries (which includes East Asia) ?

And I’m going to fact check your claim that “devout” states “preventing sex education”, which anyhow doesn’t say anything about its actual effectiveness.

[Avicenna]

Just a reminder-correlation doesn’t mean causation. Every US state has high rates of out of wedlock births except for Utah (and maybe a few others), so that makes me question the efficacy of sex education.

[AmandaYVR]

@Avicenna I know correlation does not necessarily equal causation. That's why I phrased it deliberately thusly:
"It is reasonable to assume a cause and effect, here." It is not de facto. But it is certainly plausible.

Aww, too bad, you guys got 2nd Place. So close.

[Avicenna]

I see you're afraid to answer my question about the differences in the demographic makeup of the US and that of other countries.

For those actually interested in this topic:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6484826/
www.ncsl.org/.../...-sex-education-in-schools.aspx
www.cdc.gov/.../teenbirths.htm

[AmandaYVR]

@Avicenna "Afraid?" Come on.
I make my points. You make yours. That's how it works.
You shouldn't expect someone to research your own points for you.

[Avicenna]

It's a simple question that anyone can answer and doesn't require any research.

Your claim that red states "prevent" sex education isn't accurate and neither is your claim that religion is to blame. The reality is a lot more complex than that, which is why leftist ideology and the emotions derived from it is a poor basis for evaluating the vast majority of things.

[Marshymallow]

I mean kids my age can't even afford kids yet they go around having them. Since it's normalized, good for them I guess but it's still freaking weird to me. Mehn...

[Gosceewual]

It's not new. My mum was pregnant at age 15 or 16. And that was like 23 years ago

I think girls have been getting pregnant at that age since the dawn of time

It's just in their nature to be slutty. Nothing to do with normalising

[Gosceewual]

My mum had me at age 16 back in 1997... Young teen girls isn't a new thing, girls have always been slutty little fuck buckets... It's nothing to do with "normalising it"

It's because girls are naturally born slutty and it's in their nature to get pregnant before they reach adulthood

[RationalMale]

Teen pregnancy is a very low rate. Don't stress over it.

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-10-15/us-teen-birth-rates-are-record-lows-low-enough

[bamesjond0069]

Im more concerned how low it is. Teen pregnancy when marriage is involved is a really good thing that we need more of ideally.

[RationalMale]

@bamesjond0069 yeah the usa birth rate has been going steadily down since 2009 and didn't recover with the economy. Ill tidings for sure.

[clampfan101]

So many people care about having more rights without wanting to,(or just refusing to), think about the negative effects. They want freedom for the sake of freedom, not for justice or the common good. They simply want to be able to whatever they want, seeing rules and laws to be nothing but personal inconveniences.

[NikolaiIvanov]

I respect it if they are responsible with the child and marry each other because our birth rates have gone down especially of the Caucasian race and a woman is most fertile in her teenage years so believe in the near future this might become necessary.

[Dchrls78104]

I don't know either; but then they have normalised even more shameful things, such as adultery, homosexuality, and teens having sex. All that is left to normalise are child molestation and incest---and there are people who are fighting to normalise these too.

[Jamie05rhs]

There is a way you look at something before it happens.

And there is a way you look at something after it happens.


While most of us WISH teenage girls would be more informed and less gullible and less foolish, and we wish they would make better decisions and not get pregnant in the first place,...

once someone is pregnant, there's really not that much you can do about it other than accept the situation and embrace it.

[Lady_Ann]

Because people used to get married and have children in a young age and maybe we are going back to those ages? I don't know

[Adam1978]

But people aren't getting married or settle down earlier in life, that part seem to just take longer if it happens at all. So it's not like the old days and it can't be with todays society where job requirements is rising, and unemployment isn't a way to raise kids.

[Lady_Ann]

I agree with you! I don't know really. I wouldn't wanna be a single teen mom for sure! A friend of mine who lives in England told me that some girls do it in purpose because then they get money from the government but I think that is simply idiotic!
I would like to create a baby out of love and consciousness not just for money, I mean Jesus!

[yofuknutz]

^^^^^ they do it for UB40 benefits and to get out of the house and get their own apartment

[Lady_Ann]

@yofuknutz what is that? And why bring the poor child in this world of you won't care and love it?

[sheikalana]

I really have no clue. When I was a teen so many girls in their 15-16 got pregnant that it doesn't shock me anymore. My parents still get really shocked.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You're talking about those people who just want to feel like a good person because they believed destroying a fetus is such a horrid thing equivalent to human murder. But they don't care that the child is going to grow up miserables having a neglectful parent as long as it's born

[Thatasianlove16]

Apparently in a specific state they don’t have a choice to think that way. Since they don’t have any other options and/ or education to know that their are ways not to get pregnant. Even if it was from a terrible situation

[gia543]

mtv brought it to that with the whole teen mom shows, made it way more mainstream. but if they step up and do what they gotta do, its their lives. I think a baby is always a blessing not all are that lucky no matter what age

[JKhehra]

As it is the most stupid thing it is also as a fact important for people to make it normal. Pregnancy can be both planned or surprise but is mostly a mistake in teenages. and they need elders to help them in that time. So i think its a good thing also that they instead of making it a crime made it normal to help those teenager in that moment. However they should also campaign bout telling them to avoid it at young ages.

[JRandomMan]

My primary response: is that really true? Of course, some do and some don't. But has that become a thing these days? Maybe to dissuade teens from abortion? Maybe because they think we need more population growth -- but not immigrants, of course.

This is all speculation. I haven't seen the facts yet.

[OddBeMe]

Actually stats would say being open about sex with teens instead of puritanical and religious reduces teen preggers. Just look up religious states and cultures.

[bamesjond0069]

It is beautiful and a gift as well as perfectly normal. What is hella weird is women waiting until their 30s and even 40s and trying to use turkey basters and other weird scientific methods to get pregnant.

[HOAAH]

Maybe it looks cool to those who secretly want a kid and can afford it. Or want a kid just to piss off their parents. The second one was my sister.

[DiscomfortZone]

Because of the filth of modern subsidized religion, forbiding access to humane necessities such as birth control, abortions and sex education. They don't mind destroying lives for their make believe stupidity.

[Anonymous]

Teens have been getting pregnant for most of recorded history. The idea of waiting until you’re past your teens is a blip, an aberration in human history roughy on by prudes.

[Opinion Owner]

“roughy” should read “brought”

[Dragonpurple]

Seems like everyone is trying to be normalized... I'd almost wonder what is not being normalized anymore.

[Unit1]

Is that so?
i guess some people really like seeing others failing in life in order to feel better about themselves. Or are they too ignorant to know, that money is paramount for living?

[ChrisMaster69]

Because it is, it’s like 4 years of legal sex, why should it not be normal?

[FilmGuy93]

Why try to address someone's terrible life choices when we can make them feel good about life instead?

[genericname85]

i never saw that happening. you must live in some weird neighborhood or watch some weird tv programme xD

[Ryfyle]

Better than getting downy babies or autismo spawn in your forties. The real thing to deal with is reliable Teen Dads. Dads are key to successful off spring.

[Anonymous]

I’ve never heard of anyone being proud of that. Or it being a blessing. It’s a terrible situation for the child also.

[KrakenAttackin]

Because the social policing of female behaviour has crashed to a halt. Now we celebrate whores and belittle combat veterans.

[NorthwestRider]

Soo many stupid clueless people out there

If a teen gets pregnant, they should get an abortion

[kevyhanma]

The average life expectancy used to be 30 so it’s actually not that bad when you think about it

all we have to do now is normalize teenage marriage

[MrTaboo]

Considering it was just in the last 100 years that it wasn't normal. Teens use to start families in their teens for thousands of years.

[SenseiSeptred]

Because way back in the day people did not live much past the age of 50 if they were lucky.

[Wise4myage]

Isn't that pathetic? MTV use to have a show about that, It might still be on.

[Shihab91]

So basically being gay is ok but pregnant teen is not? 😂

[bamesjond0069]

The liberal agenda is pro teen sex anti teen pregnancy... because how can a teen mom be expected to go to college and be a powerful ceo or partner at a law firm?

[more_than_a_guy]

[Jack9949]

You’re serious? The pregnancy rates have declined over the decades.

[Jack9949]

@CharlineTipp 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[funnymanlol]

Because when you don't normalize it, teenagers feel like they can't approach their parents and loved ones for support

[Anonymous]

the left encourages child birth by those that the state will end up raising. this is similar to the nazis raising children to be perfect nazi citizens

[David_Bayer]

That's pretty bad but I don't see any signs of it being normalized.