Is it coincidence 3/4 of black kids are born out of wedlock and black males are more than 8X as likely to commit a violent crime than white males?

[RingOfFire]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMx23FMo10U

[TheorionMage]

While I do not disagree in principle with your implication, I STRONGLY SUGGEST
you cite "chapter & verse" the myriad 'dry' genuine impeccable sources
for the flavor-du-jour 'sacred cow' you're assertion is goring, for 'BLM' bleeding hearts.
"But MAH boy ain't like dem boys... (PROVE it...) He jus like lottsa pussy. "(Don't we all?)

Its a multi-generational sub-cultural phenomena wherein polymory / polyandry is a 'sire-ing' holdover from the 'old country' customs where, in TRUTH, it truly took an entire village to raise a child since no one could be nascently certain as to WHO's offspring that child was sans DNA testing. (Among the Inuit remote villages, visitor hospitality promiscuity is encouraged to re-invigorate the 'incestuous' inbred gene pool.)

In present circumstances these unwed mothers game the bleeding hearts system for societal support as these 'Romeo' studs promote to the naïve, their 'Johnny Appleseed' insemination.

As to the violence, again a throwback to a troupe / gang hierarchical 'machismo'... instantly restructured with just ONE opportune bullet. ~

[CreamySeed]

I think it’s a cultural thing, a sense of belonging and duty within a community. Id say Asians work together best then whites and lastly blacks. Just visit any community with a predominant skin color to get their answer. Im a truck driver and when i get stuck having to sleep in a truck stop in a minority community i sleep with one eye open. Also black hoods are pretty filthy trash is everywhere clearly they are more selfish and self entitled as a community and think someone else will clean up after them.

[RingOfFire]

I agree with you that there is a cultural element to their plight. And fatherless families are part of that culture. Truck driver? Wow you are a rare breed these days! I heard there is a severe shortage of truck drivers right now.

[CreamySeed]

Yea it fucking sucks time to quit! 🚚

[RingOfFire]

What is the reason for this shortage of drivers and your dissatisfaction?

[Dinklex3]

Can you post the source for the statement "black males are more than 8X as likely to commit a violent crime than white males?"
?
And sex education, having sex young, use of condoms, and birth control plays a role.

[xxvagabondman]

The black community commits around 50%+ of yearly murders in the United States
along with over 50%+ of yearly robberies
and 30%+ of most every other form of crime (auto theft, rape, aggravated assault. . etc etc).

This is according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report. (which is released yearly)

Even in regards to Hate Crimes, its disproportionately black
^ take for example the last study by the Southern Poverty Law Center
I think the number was 24% of were attributed to Blacks
and 53% to Whites

WHICH at face value seems like Whites are more likely to commit

but considering the Black community is 13% of the population, and the White community is over 60%..
Whites tend to be underrepresented in violent crimes, and hate crimes
and the black community tends to be overrepresented.

[Dinklex3]

@xxvagabondman I asked you to post the source.
Those numbers do not state that someone is MORE LIKELY to commit something based on their race or skin color. Just means that those are the numbers of individuals who were caught. There's a difference of looking at numbers then coming to the conclusion that someone is "more likely" to commit a crime in the future based on their skin color with underlying factors.
I swear you all post the same thing.

[xxvagabondman]

It clearly suggests that a Black individual is more likely to commit a violent crime
considering the rate.

Just in the same way, we all accept that Asian Americans are MORE LIKELY to be high income earners, or highly educated.. in comparison to others.

nothing to be offended by.

[RingOfFire]

"having sex young, use of condoms, and birth control plays a role."

I agree. My parents taught me not to get girls pregnant when I was a teenager. Why don't black parents seem to teach their kids that? I think one reason is that they have no fathers around. So their mother has to do everything alone. And you can't properly raise a child alone. You need both a mother and a father. Kids learn discipline from their fathers. No discipline leads to teenage pregnancy and a life of crime.

[xxvagabondman]

@RingOfFire
I would agree 100% with that.
Regardless if society wants to accept it or not
fatherless home rates have a negative impact

and that is NOT just the Black community
but also the White community as well

its just simply influenced the Black community in a disproportionate way... . due to it being statistically far more likely in that community

The sad thing is how we as a society can no longer speak about these issues openly without ridicule

[RingOfFire]

Do the math. Black males make up 6% of the population and commit around 50% of the violent crime. They commit 8 times more violent crime than their proportional share of the population. So that number makes sense.

[Dinklex3]

@xxvagabondman Again.
Those stats do not claim that a person is more likely to commit something in the future based on their race or skin color. Those stats are based on who is caught, charged. Especially in a country where racial profiling is rampant and is now being addressed. Only people who don't know how to read stats look at numbers and make dumbass assumptions like that.

[xxvagabondman]

You are the one making the assumption I am saying that "Your skin color makes you commit crimes"
No, I am stating that Black people statistically make up a disproportionate amount of the crime rate

Just in the same way, I am never going to claim that Black people can't play hockey, or White people can't play basketball.. Just because they make up a minority in those sports (professionally).
Its just statistically most of the NHL is White.. and most of the NBA is Black

So what is exactly your argument?
Black crime rates are the same as all others (or less?)
White people statistically are far more likely to commit crimes?

What is your argument?

[RingOfFire]

Yeah right. Denying facts don't make them go away.

by the way, how many college level statistics courses have you taken? I took three.

[Dinklex3]

You make no sense.
"Why can't Black parents teach their kids that?"
So.. a white kid's parents tell them not to get someone pregnant and they get them pregnant, that means white parents don't teach their kids that?
Education (had a white friend who didn't know the "pull out method" could still get her pregnant), access to healthcare birth control, age, all matter. Not everyone wants to get married to the person who gets them pregnant and there's nothing wrong with that. Especially when they're young.
My biological mother didn't marry my biological father and I'm glad she didn't.
@RingOfFire

[RingOfFire]

Apparently you don't care about black lives because the vast majority of those murders and violent crimes committed by blacks are crimes against other blacks. 6,000 blacks murdered by other blacks over the last two years and all you care about is the handful of blacks killed by bad cops.

We get where you are coming from. You are part of the problem in your own community.

[Dinklex3]

@xxvagabondman your exact words were
"black males are more than 8X as likely to commit a violent crime than white males?"
Again, You're statement is incorrect as those are the statics of what was charged and does not state nor mean that they are MORE LIKELY to commit anything.

[RingOfFire]

I already explained it. If you don't care about facts, I can't help you.

[RingOfFire]

My statement is correct, but you don't understand the numbers. Take some math.

[xxvagabondman]

1. I am not the one that posted this question
2. Is it likely that Blacks are around 8x more likely? Yes.. more than likely that is accurate

Are you stating that in regards to murder
that White people commit at least 25,000+ murders each year (at the very minimum).
and that MOST unsolved murders in places like Chicago (where 75%+ go unsolved) are likely committed by White people?

?

[RingOfFire]

@Dinklex3

You can go on all you want about it. But the fact is that almost 3/4 of black children are born to parents who are not married. That's more than twice the proportion born to white parents who aren't married. If you think that breakdown of black families isn't part of the problem then I think you are part of the problem yourself.

[RingOfFire]

Another fact is that households without a father in them, regardless of race, are poorer and the children less well educated. So since most black children are brought up without fathers it is no surprise they are poorer and less well educated. This isn't "societies" fault, it's the fault of a culture that condones this behavior and the individuals who make the choice to have children without being married.

[RingOfFire]

Until the black population starts looking at themselves and figuring out what THEY are doing wrong, and accepts responsibility for their own behavior, stops making excuses and blaming other people for their own mistakes, things will never change. They are shooting themselves and committing self genocide. They like the Democrats because the Democrats feed them with excuses so they don't have to look at their own faults and do anything about them. It's so much easier to blame someone else. As long as they keep going along with that, and fail to take responsibility for their problems, their plight will never change... and that's exactly the way the Democrat want it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMx23FMo10U

[Dinklex3]

@xxvagabondman
"what is exactly your argument?"
My argument and response to the OP is that those numbers do not say that blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes than white males.
All those numbers say is that Black males are more likely to get arrested, convicted, or charged with violent crimes.
Those are two separate things.
Which again relates to racial profiling, BLM, and dishonesty within the police force.
I didn't read all that other crap as it was irrelevant to the original statement which is where my beef originated from and because I simply don't feel like it. AGAIN, just taking numbers and spitting them out doesn't mean shit with underlying variables and factors. Take stats. Take a research class. Educate yourself. 👌

[xxvagabondman]

So, lets assume that you are absolutely correct (which you are not)..
But lets assume anyways...
Lets assumes that racial profiling and racism... etc etc has such an influence on these statistics
and they can't be trusted

Then what are the true statistics?
What is the Black community murder rate vs the White community murder rate?
Is it the same? No difference?
What about all other forms of criminal offenses? Robbery? Aggravated Assault? Rape? etc
Is there any difference between the White community and the Black community?

/?

[xxvagabondman]

I will mention that I have attempted asking you this question several times now (in different ways).
Each time you have avoided it.

[RingOfFire]

@xxvagabondman

Blacks commit violent crimes in far greater proportion compared to their population than whites.

That fact alone requires the logical statistical conclusion that a black person chosen at random from the population is more likely to commit a violent crime than a white person chosen at random from the population.

If you don't accept that facts, and you don't understand the basic logic contained in the above, then their is no sense talking to you because you are living in a fantasy world and ignorant of basic statistical concepts.

I get that you have all kinds of excuses for why blacks are murdering themselves in mass numbers. But that doesn't help black people does it. What would help them is to look into their OWN COMMUNITY and figure out why these facts are true instead of making up excuses that have nothing to do with reality.

So in your opinion I am the cause of your problems and the problems black people have. But in my opinion YOU are the cause of your problems and the problems black people have.

[RingOfFire]

Sorry... the post immediately above was directed to Dinklex3.

[xxvagabondman]

no worries

[MDollarBill]

It's cultural. It's no shame for a black baby to have no father, or a black man to have a prison record. Listen (if you can stand it!) to their music. It's vulgar, immoral, criminal. Their heroes are drug-dealers and thugs. The civilized ones are in church or the Republican party.

[RingOfFire]

@MDollarBill

"Their heroes are drug-dealers and thugs." And cop killers.

In fact, the black communities need police more than anyone else since that is where most of the crime takes place. Leave it to the Democrats to come up with a plan to eliminate police so that black communities can complete their self genocide unimpeded.

Fortunately, more and more black people are waking up to the fraud that the Democrats are foisting on them, and abandoning the racist party that is assisting them in their own self destruction and they are voting Republican. President Trump got a higher percentage of black votes than any Republican in modern times. I say welcome to the light. We are glad to have you.

[Jersey2]

@Dinklex3 Blacks get hundreds of extra SAT points by major Universities solely because they are black that’s the good part. The bad part is black males are far more likely to commit violent crime than whites. Take the good with the bad.

[ManHater]

DINKLEX3 Here you go.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

[Andres77]

Educated and yet a fool.
Chicago and Baltimore and DC and Detroit say you're an idiot.

[Oppressed_Leecher]

it's not based on their skin color it's just who was arrested for said crimes. they just happen to be black men. white men are known to be arrested for possession of meth. it's just statistics

[RingOfFire]

I'll say it one more time and then give up. This isn't opinion it's fact.

If black people commit a disproportional share of violent crime in excess of their representation in the population (and they do), and white people commit a either a proportional or disproportional share of violent crime which is less than their representation in a population (and they do) then you MUST conclude that a black person chosen at random from that population is more likely to commit a violent crime than a white person chosen from that population. This is basic logic.

Therefore black people are more likely to commit violent crimes than white people.

This is a logical fact. If you cannot follow it, or you do not agree with it, there is no sense continuing the conversation because you lack the logical ability to understand the topic.

[Dinklex3]

Ahh, I'm definitely not reading all that lol.
Again.
The stats show simply that those are who were committed. They in no way state that blacks are "more likely" to commit crimes. There's a difference between being "more likely to commit" and "being committed ". Read my previous post on the underlying factors of arrests. It's really that simple. If you refuse to believe that simple fact then I can't help you.
I'm not going to repeat myself as we're going around in circles 🤷‍♀️
Its funny how ignorant people just see stats and try to make bold assumptions and claim stats are stating something, when they're not.
Any questions can be referred to my previous post as I'm one to stick to original subjects.

[xxvagabondman]

So still not going to answer the questions I asked?

[Dinklex3]

@xxvagabondman I already stated I'm not reading all of that, so clearly not
Lol.

[xxvagabondman]

I asked you several times
including at the beginning of our conversation

But its your choice to be lazy I suppose.

[DaisyJones]

I seriously doubt it's a coincidence.

[The_Maphio]

Most definitely not. Or that wouldn't have been a standard for the last 50 years or so.
A better education system in their parts of the territory could probably fix that, but seems like certain political sides have an interest in keeping them ignorant and violent.

[Anonymous]

the democrats have done an incredible job at breaking up the black family and turning black youth into blood thirsty killers. the problem is generations of those black youths turned into rappers that influence later gen black youths turning them into government dependent victims of victimhood. "keep voting democrat because we are here for you, you don't need a father in the household you need us, YOU NEED US!" - democrat leaders

[Opinion Owner]

it's a mental state the democrats are using to stay in power.
the race and victimhood card

[RingOfFire]

Democrats were the pro slavery party from the start and are still racists today.

They push abortion, which has murdered more black babies then there are black people living in America today. Think of that. If that isn't genocide what is?

They push illegal drugs... which have decimated the black communities.

They support the teachers unions and are against school choice dooming black kids to failing inner city schools where they get terrible educations and remain ignorant and poor... exactly the way Democrats want to keep them. They need to keep them dependent on welfare to buy their votes and they don't want them to get too smart or they will figure out the game.

The Democrats are the most racist group of people on planet earth. Always have been, still are. They have black people right where they want them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMx23FMo10U

[Opinion Owner]

like LBJ said "give them enough power where they think they matter then take it away and put them in their place"

[Opinion Owner]

LBJ was democrat...

that video is great but I've always felt that way. so it does nothing for me.
show that to a leftist and they'll cancel it. saying the blacks absolutely NEED THE GOVERNMENT NO MATTER WHAT. they don't see color all they see is white, that only whites are capable of functioning independently in society. they always hab3

[RingOfFire]

Democrats treat blacks like they are morons. It's so racist. They claim they are too stupid and incompetent to obtain voter ID like everyone else so therefore it's racist to require it. Yeah right!

I needed to show my ID to get vaccinated. How come they aren't calling THAT racist?

Democrats use black people as political pawns and insult them at every turn. When will blacks finally wake up?

[Adam1978]

No obviously not, it's cultural attitude that leads them down that road. And they should be ashamed because the black immigrants doesn't behave like that.

[RingOfFire]

This is exactly right. This isn't a "black" issue, it's a native black issue. Black immigrants don't suffer from this problem nearly as much. It's those multigenerational American blacks who have been fed a steady diet of propaganda from the Democrats for 50 years claiming they are entitled to "reparations" for something that no one living today had anything to do with. The Democrats have systematically caused them to think they are entitled to something that they are not and that it is only the Democrats who will be give them their due. So instead of taking advantage of the unmatched opportunity that they have in the land of the free they live in slavery on the Democrat plantation and wait for something that will never come.

[kkirk4442]

It's also not coincidence, that black families were greatly discriminated against, which broke up many families due to economic pressures, and we see the results of those discriminatory practices, in how black society today.

[Avicenna]

Black families were a LOT stronger and more intact prior to the 1960s.

[Avicenna]

What should be done (maybe someone has for all I know) is a study of black and whites makes raised in similar difficult circumstances and then compare their violent crime rates, level of education and income, etc.

[Gray-Wisp]

No.

It's like if I asked "Can you name a single decent country that is mostly black?" No.

[jahaims]

Assuming these stats are true that isn't a coincidence. It is caused by generations being put in the same environment

[ManHater]

Neegro's are far more dumber and can't see the difference between right and wrong.

[anylolone]

Nope, it's their switch to democrats for welfare that caused it.

[Jersey2]

It is the main culprit I would think.

[MDollarBill]

Not a coincidence: cause and effect.

[jshm2]

Yes. As is your education.

[JesseJayNeak]

No, it's a statistic. And a fact

[OddBeMe]

Mmm…no, that’s why CRT should be taught.

[Anonymous]

Low IQ