Does society treat women better than men in general?

[Gespenster_division]

Yes

No

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@Zygum @hi_it_is_me123
False allegations are the go to move of a butthurt woman especiallyas its easy to make them and there's zero consequences. It's fairly common and with 1in4 women on antidepressants in America it's not surprising that statistically 1 in 4 women claim to have been raped there.

[crazyish]

If both genders would shut up, stop being so damn selfish and stop playing the woe is me cards. They would honestly see that oppressing either gender in all actuality hurts and oppresses the other gender.

Hence why men pay child support/alimony and women got the kids because she was at home raising them due to being oppressed with jobs and education. Laws are changing. I admit a bit slowly, but trust me from experience right now I can tell you that since women have gotten more opportunities the law is making it fair. Most states in the past year or so have a new thing called shared parenting its 50/50. Alimony has very strict requirements that have to be met. And child support goes off both incomes now, whoever makes more will pay but it depends on how much more they make.

Sooooo men you definitely want it to be fair in the pay aspect between genders. Because if she makes more she pays the difference.

Sexual abuse aspect should not be a gender vs gender thing. Period. False accusations should be punished, they not only hurt the persons rep but they especially hurt the ones who actually do get sexually abused to get any justice.

Men are biologically stronger than women. No ones fault. No one can change it. Both need to accept it and both need to be an advocate for the weaker regardless of gender.

We fucking need each other. We can't have one without the other.. otherwise the human race wouldn't exist. If you can't see that people suffer and empathize regardless of gender then you are the problem. Just saying.

[diva_divy]

the only sensible comment here

[NoLookingAtSoleil]

Well said.
I'd add it is not entirely certain men are biologically stronger - if I go without resistance training, my muscles atrophy to very similar to a woman's. If you did 50 push ups each morning, you'd probably have the same muscles (when I started, I hardly managed to complete 2 and all of my muscles ached for about 4 days - then it increased to 3, to 5, to 7 - eventually to 80+ - over 6 months or so, and only decades later became a thing that is easy to maintain (even after 2 month I can do 25-30)).
Some university should study/test this, because, I tell you - women still have it easier with that expectation they don't have to protect or exercise for muscles but just avoid being flabby.

[Omario2049]

You're a decent human being. I can tell we'd get along. Very well said👍🏽

[MCheetah]

I agree with you 100%.

The issue is, in today's Western society, women get an overabundance of support (including toxic women like Amber Heard), while men get very little, at all. I wish more people thought like you do. But they don't. And generally, people are taught to put women first in society (which makes sense, as they are the birth-givers and all), but to sh*t on men at every opportunity they get. THAT double standard is what annoys me the most.

Men and women are not equals, but we both equally need each other (I think... It's hard to tell with modern women nowadays. Few of them seem to still even like men.)

[NoLookingAtSoleil]

@MCheetah you can't say it makes sense to put women first and then complain about it. Childbirth is super easy and very rewarding. It calls for no special treatment at all - to be considered normal. It is not a disability requiring a disabled parking spot.

[MCheetah]

@NoLookingAtSoleil
I meant, from a biological and survival standpoint, it makes more sense to put women first. Because semen is cheap and renewable, but a womb is a lot more valuable. I wasn't referring to always putting women first in modern society. And childbirth may be easy to you, but being a decent parent definitely isn't.

[NoLookingAtSoleil]

@MCheetah balls and penis is no less expensive than a womb.
Try chopping it off, see if it regrows.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Why are you still not reported to police? This person has a relationship with highschool girls and admitted.
Women are treated like shit aka worse since the beginning of the humanity and none of you cared and even many of you romanticize the past aka want women be like in the past and hate modern women. Women are still treated like shit in asia/africa/middleeastern and you all fetishisize Asian, latin, middleeastern women. Women get their rights few decades ago and so it is Not long ago. Rape in marriage was legal in germany/austria 20 years ago and women get their right to vote in 1971 in switzerland!
Anal rape is still legal switzerland, violence in labor ward is a huge problem in germany/austria, women can't get sterilisation under their 40s without kids in germany since it is irreversibel and should be decided carefully but teenagers can get manipulated to do sex work like porn, prostitution even it is irreversibel and it is proven that many women get mental issues but this is not important since perverted disgusting people should have their porn. Many prostitutes in germany are not german and they are lied/manipulated and stay in germany, otherwise they will starve and be homeless in their homecountry which is not developed. Women get taken advantage for mostly male's lust.
I am sure that men have many problems but i am done of these redpill/mgtow incels that make it seem as western men have it worse like the oppressed women in asia/middleeastern. You can fuck off to middleeastern/asia if you hate your luxus problems so much and many oppressed women can get your luxus problems

[Zygum]

@hi_it_is_me123, This happened in Florida, USA, not in my country, you checky profile, I am not fuken American, it is not my fuken job to report to police, let those people go in hell, do not talk shit any more

[Gespenster_division]

Men have been treated like shit since time first began having to defend and provide for the women folk while they stayed safe and warm in the cave. Or how about all the men forced to do back breaking labour or conscripted into armies while the women stayed safe in the homestead.
Men are still treated like shit in Africa and the middle east.
In most countries a woman can rape a man with no consequences, it isn't even called rape.
Women under 30 can get sterilised in Germany if its a necessary operation, just like with getting your appendix removed. Like all major surgery it's expensive and dangerous. You may as well say men can't get their prostates removed. You can't just walk into a hospital in Germany and demand major surgery to get one of your internal organs removed just because you feel entitled due to your gender and because you want it, everywhere else is the same.
Prostitution is a choice mostly, most do quite well out of it and many highly educated women in Germany made a very good living while in college charging men for sex, that called female empowerment taking advantage of men's last.
In the west a woman can make false allegations of rape, domestic abuse etc and face no consequences usually to excuse shitty behaviour like cheating or abuse. Most domestic abuse incidents are instigated by women with lesbian couples significantly suffering more domestic abuse than gay men or straight couples.
Then you've got feminazis storming events meant to help men with the problems they face in soceity like suicide prevention. Imagine at an event aimed at helping men with depression and to prevent male suicide feminazis are outside telling these men to be ashamed and to go kill themselves.
Saying men in the middle east, Africa, South America and the Middle east are oppressive of women is racist.

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Gespenster _division you dont. Middleeastern men dont get treated shit except he is homo, atheist etc. They dont get anal raped, forced to marry fugly old women, forced to stay home and give every year birth, they dont get beate up and even if they get, they can defend themself since they are physically stronger. I rather be a provider and fight for my country as a soldier which is actually honorable thing than be raped by my od fugly husband, forced to give birth to his kids almost every year, forced to stay at home, get cheated on, be the second wife, bee abused etc

[NoLookingAtSoleil]

You mean the moment someone exposes female abuse and privilege you invent guilt and want to set him up to be imprisoned?
Honey - you know nothing about the guy who wrote this, you are not by any means entitled to judge - and it is obvious you are used to lying and cheating to maintain your privilege.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I dont deny man's problems and i also try to help them. But the guys lke him put women down in lrder to show the problems of men. I would agree with him, if he did not put women doown like this. Maybe i should have expressed myself nicer

[NoLookingAtSoleil]

But how else would he show or illustrate the point?
Do you realise women assume men can/should be put down willy nilly and women should be treated like angelic beings they are (while they bang around like crazy, have abortions, cheat, ask for the same money as the guy who doesn't get to touch a girl for months or years because he is expected to keep his focus at work to the level of autism)
Check autism figures boys vs girls - you might notice girls are never saddled with such high intellectual focus expectations - for a girl, she is expected to fuck, enjoy, whine, personalise EVERYTHING according to her likes, maybe give birth (and then raise the child with neglect and still no one will complain/say a word lest she sets them up for trouble - because a SHE is a queen, a HE is a slave).

[hi_it_is_me123]

@NolookingAtSoleil it made angry how he belittle middleeastern women's problem. I am middleeastern myself. Nobody force you be a simp. Stay away from entitled crazy immature girls who want you to be a slave. I dont agree with such immature girls. Why do you even listen to them. Dont give a plattform/attention. All of this is anecdotal. This is like when a immature girl complain about all men because she dated badboys.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I will reply to you later. I have no time now

[NoLookingAtSoleil]

Middle eastern means dark eyes, typically. If you don't stare at the sun (le soleil) - your eyes will brighten up. If you get off tobacco and coffe and switch to tea/yellow drinks - you will slowly go blonde.
Can we close that topic for good, please?
Try it all, tell me it doesn't work.

[NoLookingAtSoleil]

The rest of the middle eastern problems are due to the fact that with dark eyes you can lie (pupil movements are not visible) - so people do this, and then they abuse women often (but then men get abused by that culture too - it is generally a lot more abusive than the western one (though much better on not promoting abortions and prostitution)).

[hi_it_is_me123]

Wtf are you even talking about. What is this rant. Ok we can close the topic for good. Anyway thanks for the replies

[hi_it_is_me123]

Of course men get abused in middleeastern countries too but since they are biologically stronger and it is a patriarchial system, they have it better but stil have many problems

[hi_it_is_me123]

Ok i won't reply anymore since you dont to discuss. Have nice day. Please dont spam anymore. I get alerts. Sorry

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Gespenster_division i am not going to discuss since you ignored my points wtf. Are you thst butthurt of me to the point that you mention my nickname in your update which is against the guidlines. What kind of fool you are

[hi_it_is_me123]

Again i dont deny men's problems and i hope best for these men. Let me a lone now

[hi_it_is_me123]

False allegations are illegal by the way I should have been more clear. I realize how i generalized a little. So i am sorry

[KrakenAttackin]

@Zygum She can't help herself. The majority of American women suffer from verbal diarrhea.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I am not American fucktard. Go fucking care for your kid, instead of attacking young women. The fact that you are an used up fugly man with baggage is dramatic enough. No wonder why your ex wife divorced you

[hi_it_is_me123]

Stop replying to me.

[hi_it_is_me123]

And stop spaming people

[doopayo]

@hi_it_is_me123 speaking facts. These guys are total incels.

[hi_it_is_me123]

@KrakenAttackin i am curious whether you still talked like this when this german guy in his 30s fucked your kid.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Do you care about age difference when hooking up/dating? ↗

[hi_it_is_me123]

I am sorry for being direct, rude and too harsh but believe me this guy has some issues

[hi_it_is_me123]

I dont understand some of you guys, you insult, talk shit and act like you have mentall illness. So it seems that some of you are trolls but also havee it when you get blocked. I often give you chances and stop blocking you but you all trollinh again

[hi_it_is_me123]

I am sorry if i offended anyone. I should have expressed myself nicer but my point is clear and i am sorry generalizing a little

[doopayo]

Eww that’s disgusting, that guy should be locked up. Old hag Messing around with highschool girls

[hi_it_is_me123]

Unfortunately he can do that since age of consent is very low in many european countries but maybe the parents can get a confirmation by a psychotherapist. You can do that in austria at least.

[hi_it_is_me123]

If he were in america, maybe he would be locked up

[doopayo]

Fr. Imagine being 30+ and picking up a girl that’s literally in school, that’s so creepy. I hope someone beats his ass one day. Even if you go on his page, all his posts are creepy asf. This guy definitely has serious problems

[hi_it_is_me123]

I saw when i was in the middle school

[hi_it_is_me123]

I experienced this when I was in the middle school **

[hi_it_is_me123]

Since the age of consent is 14 in austria, nothing happen to these people

[doopayo]

That’s not what the age of consent in Austria means though, if one of the partners is younger than 16 years of age and "not sufficiently mature to understand the significance of the act", then the act is punishable.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I look it in german. I look at the laws. Maybe i misunderstand it. I hope so

[Gespenster_division]

So what if my fiancée is still in high school, we are happy 😊

[doopayo]

@Gespenster_division die

[hi_it_is_me123]

I hope you dont have fiance in high school

[hi_it_is_me123]

I think that he is trolling

[doopayo]

Was that supposed to offend me? I’m not overweight 🤦🏽‍♀️ and old hags aren’t my type. Now how about you go get a life m, cause by the looks of it and what you post you definitely don’t have one

[doopayo]

Ironic coming from the guy that admits to have groomed a minor 😭

[doopayo]

Lol, he’s deleting his comments

[Gespenster_division]

@doopayo lol she has a couple of majors under her chin

[hi_it_is_me123]

No, i am deleting his bullshit opnions. I am not going to let him cyperbully a minor

[hi_it_is_me123]

Gespenster or whatever can you just stfu and fu off with your mental issues

[doopayo]

@Gespenster_division fr, get therapy. Perverted pig

[hi_it_is_me123]

I won't discuss anymore

[hi_it_is_me123]

@doopayo he is a fool

[doopayo]

@Aiko_E_Lara but you only ever bring up men’s rights when it benefits your narrative, which is that women aren’t being oppressed when in reality the patriarchy is to blame for your problems. Not women, no ones stoping you from talking about why men are committing suicide more. No ones telling you not to. You just don’t, instead you weaponize actual experiences of male victims and use it to try and dismiss women when they talk about their issues. At the end of the day if you support a pedophile than that just shows what kind of character you have 🤷🏽‍♀️

[hi_it_is_me123]

What? No many women in the middleeastern commit suicide but their parents say that she died because of an accident since suicide is seen as something embarrassing. Women attempt more and tend to have mentall issues but people make fun of it. Look at Gespenster fool's update

[doopayo]

No, it’s because your points not worth arguing. Any debate she could even try to engage with you isn’t going to change any minds or tell us something we don’t already know

[hi_it_is_me123]

Wtf are you even talking about. Just because you dont realize that women dont commit much suicide in middleeastern does not mean that their fugly old men thar cheat on them try to make them happy. What for women's sake? Wtf are you even talking about

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Aiko_E_Lara yuu are assuming shit. Believe many middleeastern women would love to fight for their country instead of getting raped by their fugly old husbands that cheat on them etc. These women get Stockholm syndrom. This is why you may think they seem happy.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I dont deny men dont have problems. Patriarchy affect both of them. I never said anything about male privilige. Wow you ignored many points of me such marital rape, phsyical/emotional abuse, forced marriage, women being forced to stay virgin, when there is no blod on the blood, she murdered, when she divorce she get murdered again. So just because men go to war all of this suddenly ok aka it balances out wtf. So you would choose to get anal raped in marriage by your fugly old wife who cheats on you by marrying multiple women, dont allow you to divorce, murder you if you dont bleed on your first time, physically/mentally abuse you, force you tive birth every year, murder you when you divorce than going to war? These men can whore around and get older and marry a minor. Oh wow what a opression that they have to go to war and have to work to pay the girl's family amount of money.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Sorry i dont want to continue this question. You just trigger me since traumatic experience because of middleeastern culture. I can't take it when non middleeastern people like you belittle our problems

[hi_it_is_me123]

This conversation **

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Aiko_E_Lara you can't force me to continue the discussion. i am done with repeating myself. The middleeastern men's problems are nothing when you compare it to middleeastern men. I DID NOT SAY THAT MIDDLEEASTERN MEN DONT GET RAPED or that they dont have problemss So I dont understand why you are putting words in my mouth. This is like when i say that women also die as a soldier although it is minority and if you say it exception, i will say by your logic thst you belittling their problems and saying that also women have problems. You have flaws.
you are retarted if you think this fucking discussion is more important than realizing there is a groomer. You are not normal. You are seriously care more about this discussion instead of reporting a groomer.

[Gespenster_division]

Agreed we've a serious problem here with men of middle eastern descent grooming underage girls, groping women and gang raping women.

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Aiko_E_Lara You also ignore my points. That middlestern women get raped, abused ain't assumption. I thought it is obvious. You also ignore many points i say. Your logic does not make sense. For you is going to war is same as getting forced married to old fugly men, forced to give birth, get raped, phsyically/mentally abused, getting cheated on.. at least that is what I understand. I also think women should fight for their country. Being a soldier and fighting for your is actually something honorable. I also can't discuss with you the whole time

[hi_it_is_me123]

I also apologize myself again for generalizing men in my first post.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I said what i said. Go read carefully all my posts before posting bs

[MCheetah]

If they're living in a First-World country and not on Welfare, then yeah... Can you really blame women, though? Women aren't meant for hardship. Like, their bodies literally aren't built for that. They're short, most of the time. They're light in weight (most of the time). They're curvy. They're soft. They have skin like silk. Aside from periods, most women don't ever have to endure hardships in life. But honestly, would you WANT women all rugged and rough like men?

Despite living in an age of fourth-wave (toxic) feminism and OnlyFans to where 99% of First-World middle-class or higher women don't even have to try in society, women still do have some "struggles" in life. But only when trying to compete on men's playing field. Women versus other women rarely have a hard time. But women trying to do jobs mostly done by males (police, fire fighters, military, construction, sports) generally fail by comparison. And that's okay. After all, us men should be GRATEFUL we don't get periods!

(And for women who object to this; would you REALLY want to be a man? Being a man sucks unless you're rich or successful!)

I don't mind women having it easy in life. What I do mind are women being ungrateful little snots about it and wanting all the perks of billionaire men like Jeff Bezos with zero responsibility with it. That's what's missing in today's society.

[Pasiton5]

I would not go so far as to say treat better, but are more accomadating, yes we'll due to the fact that men are supposed to be more rugged able to withstand endure more besides let's be honest everyone just naturally have a soft spot in them for women is our nature, I mean you saw a man and women both drowning the woman would get the attention first even though dude is going down for third count and the woman is sitting on a raft drinking a Starbucks latte, courtesy of uber eats, they do deliver, I mean in an emergency it's always women and children first dudes hang on a bit longer, how long some dude in back yells I don't know if my head will stay on much longer, you will be fine, ladies this way, watch your step says rescue dude, but I see nothing wrong with being more accomadating to women at all they more tender than men, delicate well except for the radicals, women who grow beards and scratch their crotch, stand up write their name in sand as the urinate, piss, should see them move their hips when they do that just amazing but I'm good with the extra treatment society does out to you gals it's all good

[OlderAndWiser]

I live every day as a man and this is my experience 24/7/365 x 66.5 years. I don't have the experience to really know what it's like to be a woman. All I see of a woman's life is seen as a spectator, looking in and observing from a distance. I don't have a valid basis for comparison.

But, even if we could answer this question, and if the answer is "yes, women's lives are easier," how does that bit of information help me in any way? What can I do with it? I'm not going to try to become a woman so my life will be easier.

[ADFSDF1996]

Western social definitely does and the fact young boys are being brainwashed into getting estrogen shots is beyond appalling, that’s something only a totalitarian regime would do. Which speaks volumes of the dystopian direction Western society is heading towards.

This is starting to feel like the biblical tribulation phase.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

I have got so mad at seeing it go down like that I am in a kind of "revenge" mode. As a younger person, how does this make you feel. What makes me feel upset is when old people say they are glad they are dying and don't have to live through this all.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

And why does there have to be a tribulation? Why does God do this?

[AFellowWeeb]

''This is starting to feel like the biblical tribulation phase''
Bc it is

[ADFSDF1996]

@UncleJessieRabbit The best way to explain it is that it’s like a test from God for all the true believers. They will have to endure a lot during this tribulation phase, until God finally returns and wipes out all the depravity in the world.

[Anpu23]

I've seen studies that suggest that men have it worse and that men have it better. Truth is, it's not a competition, and as we can only live in our own bodies there really isn't any objective way to compare. It's really hard to see your own advantages as we have a tendency to assume that everyone has the same thing. Further even if we were to set up some kind of test it would just represent a small group of people and would be hard to extrapolate it into a broader picture.

Things like the self made man experiment
And the one where two coworkers switched signatures only show what those individuals experienced. Not the whole.

Self made man - a woman who lived as man for 18 months (partially to prove male privilege) states that men have it worse in society

Signature switch - male and female coworkers switch their email signatures and both report that the male signature is taken more seriously and more likely to be believed. Indicating a bias towards men in the workplace.

[geonator]

I wouldn't necessarily agree with all the evidence presented here, but in some ways yes. With regards to the sexual harassment one, I would say that society tends to handle harassment reports from women as if they are for sure black and white situations that don't have some nuances that the other side can bring up. I've experienced this before, where something I said to or asked a woman was maybe a bit risky in retrospect, and she laughed at it and acted like she was perfectly fine with it, and then reported me and left out any part of the story that doesn't help make me look bad. And the people she reported me to bought everything and didn't ask for my side of the story. Ok, if I say "your ass looks great" to a woman I don't know, then fine, report me. But if I ask "Does it make this [pointing to my own chest] uncomfortable when guys hug girls" and she laughs and pretends to be fine being asked that, and then reports me, and the people she reported me to only hear that I said something inappropriate to her, well yeah. People need to approach such situations understanding that stories have nuances to them and women also need to actually communicate if they're uncomfortable about something. That said, I've taken the constructive criticism and intend to just stay out of even the grey are with regards to what I say to women, but I still stand by what I said above

[NoLookingAtSoleil]

On average, much better.
Girls get to think in the zone of 'the things I desire and the way I like to go about it'.
Guys generally get to provide the means of living, and then get abused by those living off of their production - while often being reprimanded for it (as well as only maybe given a choice of a girl they'd like vs being reprimanded more to produce yet again - so more girls can dram of wild sex/indulge in it - and then mistreat you about the fact that what you produced/provided and they played with - ended up being an abortion (or unwanted child birth) they created.
They look to lay the blame and indulge - and leave it up to guys to design, achieve and deliver the circumstances that would make them happy (with no guarantee of loyalty, for most - once they play with the things you provided they might get bored - though, when they do give birth, they end up dependent and not in a situation to chose much (except if they really want to abuse you by going to someone else - which is positioned as a perfectly legitimate choice - if she feels like abusing you, she gets all the societal support for it).

[NoLookingAtSoleil]

The rapes are the sex they didn't want and then the morning after pill.
But then, it ends up being the bible belt (or the chastity belt, in fact) - if you don't do meaningless sex
And drugs dealers complain how you are not liberal and not helping them sell their wares.

[lucas262]

Society entitled the worst aspects of female nature, the laws a very biased in favor of women. If a woman slaps a man people would think he deserves it but if a man slaps a woman he's abusive.

Men are constantly portrayed as rapist, violent and perverts, and child molesters.

No one really mentions the ratio of women doing these things. Male sexuality is seen as dirty and evil. While female sexuality is seen as pure and empowered.

If a woman falls a lot of things in the system will take care of her and she knows a lot of men will too.

There are 0 men's shelters
The dating market has become very scewed on women's favor. Average woman can go out and ask out 10 men probably get 8 dates. Average man might get 2.

Men are constantly blasted for being men, told we're toxic even though most women want confident men. Here you are telling a man being masculine is bad but they also say they want real men wtf. They want men to be pussys today. It's sick.

So yes most people will say women.

[Zene-neric]

Are you seriously invalidating women's basic Human Rights? Don't come up to me saying oh so men are oppressed too😐 because no, they aren't oppressed but trapped in their own facade of toxic masculinity which makes them harder to express emotion, being shown as nurturing and literally in study every 1 in 3 men said they'd r*pe if they could
By addressing feminism it means same rights as men, seeking minorities who misuse is a different topic which doesn't come under women oppression issues because it'll invalidate their issues
I've went through things a kid should never go through and told simply to get over it since "boys are boys"
No. These are signs that invalidates us by calling us dramatic.
Men deserve respect too occupied like the striping thing but you tell me if a man reports him being sexually harassed it would be dismissed right?
Why?
Toxic masculinity. Men are said to be strong and can't be abused according to the toxic standards started by men themselves which later everyone considered "normal"
Which is horrible for men who were abused.
My point is men and women both have messed up issues but it has to start by respect basic Human Rights for women and see them as equal so that society can progress when feminist express how men have issues that are ignored but yet women are the oppressed ones which needs to change
Sorry it was too long :)

[hellionthesagereborn]

So by pointing out that men have it far worse then women despite our constant claims that we need to focus more on women because they have it so hard, he is invalidating women's basic human rights? So what does that say about you then? Your refusing to acknowledge men as even being human by your own reasoning. Funny how when bad things happen to women its men's fault and when bad things happen to men. . . its also men's fault. So tell me, when is it ever a woman's fault? Oh right, it can never be your fault because your privileged to the point where we are not even allowed to acknowledge that women are human and thus just as flawed as men. How twisted and miserable a person you are and will become.

Oh also feminists advocate for more rights for women, in fact statistically women do have more legal rights then men right now. NOW (National Organization for women, one of the largest feminist groups out their) used their money and political clout to prevent equal custody laws (laws that treat men and women as equals when it comes to child custody), demanding that only women be allowed the right to their children and they won and NOW gloated about it. So we know for a fact that they do not seek equality.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for your 1 in 3 statement, that is just an outright lie and you have to be really really fucked up in the head to just so hate half the world that much to think that little of them. Your aware that rape is rare right (if we go by all the statistical data available instead of what feminists say I mean (like the FBI, Campus data etc.)? Also your aware that men are raped by women at comparable rates right (of course your not because according to you only men are evil pieces of shit and no matter what happens women can never ever do anything wrong)?

Do you seriously think your the only one that "went through things" as a kid? Just because it happened doesn't mean its common and I highly doubt your claims to begin with for the simple fact that even in prison rapists are beaten and killed (we don't tolerate it unless its a woman doing it, then we applaude her for being "brave", like Amy Schumer).

[TruthBringer]

@hellionthesagereborn You have annihilated her! Very well said mate

[KrakenAttackin]

@Zene-neric. Hey look, a very well programmed 17 year-old female!

[KrakenAttackin]

@TruthBringer @hellionthesagereborn. Yes indeed! Our budding and clueless 17 year-old feminist can just go back to not shaving her armpits and and giving random blowjobs to feel "empowered".

[Property_Of_Jocker]

@hellionthesagereborn wearawhitefeather.wordpress.com/.../

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Property_Of_Jocker As stated, if you actually look at the data (you know, from sources like the FBI) instead of special interest groups, you will see that rape is rare (and women perpetrate it as much as men do):
www.baltimoresun.com/.../...cs-20140928-story.html
thefederalist.com/.../
Also false rape allegations are quite common:
www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm
www.forensicpsychology.org/...ndout2019Revised.pdf
cmrlink.org/.../unfounded-sex-assault-charges-trending-up-in-dod-reports
www.mediaradar.org/mcdowell_kanin_credible.php
http://www.ejfi.org/Courts/Courts-24.htm

[TruthBringer]

@Property_Of_Jocker Seems like you got rekt aswel

[AFellowWeeb]

@hellionthesagereborn Damn AHAHAH new follow xD

[hellionthesagereborn]

@AFellowWeeb Thank you.

[devilish-cutie]

quite the opossite, you arguments are ridiculus
just 100 years ago women even didn't have the right to vote and before we were treated like property. Nowdays that laws changed but social stigma still stayed in many ways; just wonder why synonym for "pussy" is weak or why anything feminin is considered weak or less. Men have their own issues in society but women do have them more, hence feminism. Also even for mens problems the problem are mostly men so men are actually the ones that need to change

[Gespenster_division]

100 years ago in most countries men didn't have the right to vote either. Men were treated like cannon fodder or beasts of burden.
Men's biggest problem is equality under the law on par with women.

[captain_voidwalker]

Actualy you are wrong. 100 years ago the only rule on who could vote was you had to own land. And this was strictly because land owners and only land owners were taxed. So you had to have skin in the game to vote. Infact there a records going ba k to the 1700s if not only women voting but also black people voting as well. But they don't teach you that in your history class I bet.

[Gespenster_division]

@captain_voidwalker actually you are wrong because the whole of world history is not the United States.
For instance most men in England only got the vote in 1918. You can't count landowners because outside the US you would only be talking about the top 1-10%.
Men and women only got the right to vote in India in 1951, a billion people in China to this day are not free to vote.

[captain_voidwalker]

True you have me there but I'm 90% certain she ment in the US so that wax ghe point i was making. But yeah world wide men were definitely cannon fodder, hell not just men but male children as well.

[AFellowWeeb]

He covered that, the only problems women have this days are quotas

[Eelephant]

While it may look like women have so much more privledge now, I think society is playing catch up to "make up" for the discrepancies of how the sexes compared in the past. Most people are very careful to make sure women's voices are heard, because this never really happened historically.

[AFellowWeeb]

Answer me: Were you or any of your females oppressed just for being women? No. Did me or any modern man oppressed anyone just for being a woman? No. Then, why do we have to pay for what men in the past did? And why do you have to get special treatment bc of the bad stuff women in the past went through?

[Eelephant]

You're getting it twisted lol. First of all I'm not obligated to answer you but your argument is confusing and weak... I know this is what you want so I hope I make your day.

And the idea often associated with my current argument is harmfully as well. It labels women and victims always, and men always as perpetrators. The roles can certainly be switched, and people need to understand this.
Don't label this as a "you" or "me" thing because it's more than that and it pitts us against each other. Look at the full picture

You can't just dismiss the idea of sexism because of a lack of isolated incidents that you've observed. Oppression is alive and well, even in the usa. I'll give you some examples so you get get the broad picture of what the landscape of oppression looks like here.

Paid maternity leave is not guaranteed, we have the highest maternal death rate if any other developed country (27 in texas!). Women makeup only 7% of CEOs, they're the minority in our government and the media as well (which even then, if they do make it in to a tv they are told what exactly to wear and face criticism for looking anything less than conventionally attractive, even though it's just their job to tell the news) and don't get me started on all horrible things that so many women have to to work their way up in that kind of job. 3 quarters of female soldiers have been sexually harassed and there is and probably always will be a huge pay inequality in sports and hollywood. These are just some examples, I'm sure you'd be able to come up with more if you spent time.

[Eelephant]

(Continued)

Patriarchy in the United States is systematic for the most part. While you will always be able to come up with exceptions, that will never be able to dismiss the actual problem until statistics suggest otherwise.

I know it sounds like we have it so good here in the us, and we do! But we are supposed be paving the way of developing countries but we are being surpassed in the gender equality race by even less developed countries. We have deffinetly come leaps and bounds when it comes to gender equality, but we are not finished yet.

[AFellowWeeb]

''Women makeup only 7% of CEOs''
Bc women rarely aim for the top, also, 90% of deaths in the workplace are men, why? Men go for high risk high reward jobs and women go for easier less paying jobs, hence the already debunked pay gap;

''and probably always will be a huge pay inequality in sports and hollywood''
Women suck at sports. The national female senior australian soccer team aka the best female grown up soccer players from australia lost by 7-0 again a team of 15 year old boys
www.standard.co.uk/.../...arold-boys-a3257266.html
Why would anyone payied to watch players that can't defeat kids? As for hollywood, show proofs, bc i doubt it;

''Patriarchy in the United States is systematic for the most part. While you will always be able to come up with exceptions, that will never be able to dismiss the actual problem until statistics suggest otherwise.''
Wtf does this even mean? All your problems are made up bs, just stick to real studies and stop hooking around

[Eelephant]

Lmao it means that you tryna debunk each think specifically (unsuccessfully if I might add) doesn't really change much because it's a societal problem. It's just how our society functions. I'm sorry if this is hard for you to understand.

[Eelephant]

Thing*

[AFellowWeeb]

You just self projected so hard. I showed a link proving one of my points, you? Just continue slutting urself around like its the trend for girls now

[Eelephant]

I'm trying to have a normal conversation and you baselessly call me a slut? This is an example of the oppression haha I'm getting labeled as a slut for merely trying to prove a point. Also I never argued that women were better at sports, of course they're not, men have a biological advantage. Stop trying to dodge my argument by calling names and changing the subject.

[AFellowWeeb]

''Also I never argued that women were better at sports''
''always will be a huge pay inequality in sports''
Plus i already debunk most of the little amount of exemples you gave, and you just ignored, plus, dont act like you dont do that

[Eelephant]

Yeah, men and women sports are completely separate from eachother for biological reasons. That being said, women shouldn't be paid less for doing the same thing (competing competitively to the best of their abilities against people of the same gender, breaking records and acheivibg new physical feats). In addition to this, I am aware of the pay gap and know that it's because the types of jobs that the sexes choose, time worked etc. I don't believe in the pay gap and I've never said this. I was referring to pay -inequality- ie women being payed less for the SAME job, even though they are doing it to the best of their abilities. Also if you would like more examples I will provide them easily don't be afraid to ask tho love :)

But don't expect me to want to. The only reason you want more examples is to half ass debunk them. You pick and choose what you want to respond to and do not address what I'm saying. This conversation is frankly a waste of time because you are unwilling to see any other side of the issue other than the one that serves you. Calling me a slut for simply trying to have civil discourse and really speaks for your character. It's people like you who give men a bad rap.

[AFellowWeeb]

''women shouldn't be paid less for doing the same thing''
They get paid what they deserve, no one, or barely no one, watches female sports, so they make less money, but since ure delusional, you dont get it

'' ie women being payed less for the SAME''
doesn't happen, the good old John Kennedy, great man, wrote a law that made equality of payment for the same job regardless of gender
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Pay_Act_of_1963
In 1963

''Also if you would like more examples I will provide them easily don't be afraid to ask tho love ''
Go for it

''It's people like you who give men a bad rap''
Its bc of girls like you that the word 'pussy' serves to descrive a weak person 😘

[britishbby]

Although u only showed your side of the memes and everything i still feel this is true, now im not saying women have a easy life buttttt men get charged more harshly and viewed differently in worse ways, and i think equality is very important but i feel its gone the wrong way, for example if woman want to be in the military that's awesome why not buttttt they shouldn't get lower standards Eg they carry less weight and don't have to run the miles in the same time as a man whos the same age so they get a easier ride to join up... Woman and men share your views on the military standards and if u think its fair or not

[Xoxocutekitty]

You know I never got the argument that 'men should be able to hit women because women can hit men.'

I'm not going to say no woman in history has ever hit a man. I'm also going to say if she did, its not right, she's an ad hominem and you need to leave/ walk away.

Literally everyone is taught not to hit people at a young age so why is this argument trying to justify hitting? Just because they started it? Are we 6?

Aren't people taught if someone's a bully you don't become a bully to get back at them? Or it that a girl thing and boys really do just want to slug people. No one should be hitting anyone first or last in the name of vengeance.

[hahahmm]

I'd never hit a lady. A lady would never hit a man... a woman who isn't a lady will & she deserves to be put in her place for it just like if a man who's smaller than another guy attacks the bigger guy: he deserves to be put in his place. And beyond that even... anybody who starts violence deserves to be smacked till they can't harm anybody.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Xoxocutekitty. You want "equality", than don't be that crazy bitch who thinks she can smack a man and get away with it.

[Xoxocutekitty]

Justifying physical violence in any form isn't equality. Petition her to go to jail or rehab to control her toxic behavior. Let the state fine her. There are a thousand solutions that don't involve clobbing someone.

[hahahmm]

@Xoxocutekitty "Justifying physical violence in any form isn't equality". Self-defense is always justified. If you hit a man first you deserve to be attacked till you are no longer willing/able to do violence. If a man said he could never hit a woman for any reason then he is elevating her to being more important than himself AND other men who he would hit even if that other guy only weighed 90 pounds. Next.

[Gespenster_division]

@hahahmm agreed self defence is always justified.

[Juxtapose]

lol go ahead and hit me and see what happens to you :)

[AFellowWeeb]

''Petition her to go to jail or rehab''
HAHAHAHAH YEAH RIGHT

[KrakenAttackin]

@AFellowWeeb Yeah, that was my first thought. Good luck fella... he will end up in jail.

[FunkyMonkee]

Another one for you: if a woman BADLY needs to use the bathroom and she either can't get into hers because a long line waiting to get in, or there just isn't one close by, guys will allow her to use the men's room and even guard the door to keep other guys from getting in.
If a guy is in the same situation, what are his chances he'll get the same treatment from women?

[Gespenster_division]

In reverse the police are called.

[FunkyMonkee]

What I mean is, you'll probably NEVER see women allow a guy to use their bathroom and stand guard outside until he's done.

[Gespenster_division]

You might but then the cops turn up and take him away.

[Anonymous]

Really? You want to minimize all of women's struggles to “got called bossy that one time.” (I didn’t read beyond that stupidity.)
Both women and men face obstacles and expectations based solely on their gender. Men have suffered real injustices and have legitimate complaints about their treatment. You don’t need to belittle woman’s grievances to elevate your own.
They are legitimate all on their own.

[blank_expression]

Yes, it kisses their princess asses. You sure stirred the pot and got beehive of pinks swarming on this one. You are “invalidating women’s issues” but in the same sentence, they will say they can do anything a man can do. So, then tough women, stfu and take it like men. The woman before and after feminism is almost as scary as; ”the invasion of the body snatchers.” It is fascinating how a vulnerable female of femininity could be programmed into delusional self-destruction. That is some real liberal mind control shit there.

[doopayo]

You’re the ultimate incel extreme red pilled Reddit loser, lmao

[TruthBringer]

Some many contradicting terms in one sentence. You okay, boo?

[KrakenAttackin]

@doopayo. Don't ever use the term incel. Why, you ask? By calling a man an "incel" strongly implies that all females have to offer is sex.

Think about it.

[doopayo]

@KrakenAttackin stop acting dumb. You know good and well that’s not what incel means

[msc545]

uh, he's right.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you're not any worse, how about give a proper argument instead of just showing how salty you are?

[doopayo]

@Aiko_E_Lara I’ve got better things to do than argue someone who peaked in middle school

[KrakenAttackin]

@doopayo. That's EXACTLY what incel means. A man who can't get the one thing of worth from a female.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you got better things to do, why are you even here in the first place? If you have time to whine like that, you should also have time to end things unless you're making just excuses again.

[msc545]

@Aiko_E_Lara why are people arguing with a 15-year-old?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@msc545 Why does it matter if she's a 15 year old? There are smart 5 year olds I don't even bother

[doopayo]

@KrakenAttackin dude, incel means involuntary celibate, it means they dislike women because they’re a loser that can’t get laid and blame all their problems on the world and women, which is what this poster is doing

[KrakenAttackin]

@doopayo. You have so much to learn dear child.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@doopayo Still no explanation about what makes anyone an incel for just simply addressing men's issues. But yeah you just want to argue with someone who can't even do it properly. Unlike Kraken, I do know what incel means but what exactly makes anyone an incel for just simply addressing men's issues?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You see, you do have plenty of time. I just make better points that invalidates everything you said which is why you're just looking for someone else to argue.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Aiko_E_Lara Who the fuck are you talking too?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@KrakenAttackin I'm clearly talking to doopayo but im also clearly talking about you. If you want me to prove my point, go ahead and swear again. Don't argue properly

[doopayo]

These aren’t men’s issues, this is him bitching and complaining about other people? None of these are remotely about men, he’s got these dumb ass memes and you’re trying to say they’re men’s issues. No he get it from some insane red pulled subreddit for loser incels

[Aiko_E_Lara]

In case you didn't realize, those statistics are actually true. So where's the "bitching" part here? Is there anywhere in the post you can pin point that he's actually name calling women? Really I'd like to hear from you where it is. While some of it is just partly true, the rest of what he said are fact. So instead of whining like a brat, how about you prove your point? You disprove the statistics he posted.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And for the record, you yourself had been asking questions about women's issues. So with your logic, I guess it's safe for anyone to just call you a feminazi loser each time you post.

[doopayo]

He didn’t even put any statistics. All he put are memes 🤦🏽‍♀️

[doopayo]

Non of the statistics have anything to do with women yet he’s obvious blaming women for stupid shit

[doopayo]

That’s why they can’t be taken seriously

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Explain how they are memes. I can give you something else to qualify those. They are actually summaries of these empirical datas. Here are the long ones to qualify those statistics. en.wikipedia.org/.../search en.wikipedia.org/.../Gender_differences_in_suicide
en.wikipedia.org/.../Homicide_statistics_by_gender www.youtube.com/watch Now tell me how are these memes? Like what's the difference between giving this and giving a summary?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I mean I gotta admit those are memes but even so, what is wrong with memes based on facts? There's really nothing in those memes talking about how BS women are. So which is why im wondering where you got that idea

[TruthBringer]

@doopayo 15 years old and you're already so full of hate. Time to get off the internet and focus on your studies, little dove. I can see you're already getting corrupted.

[Gespenster_division]

I see no problem with breastfeeding in public.

[doopayo]

@TruthBringer it’s June, majority of schools are on break now but ok

[doopayo]

*July

[TruthBringer]

@doopayo If that's the only thing you could have taken out of my comment, then there is no hope for you. For someone of your age, you should be experiencing life and not busy yourself with this controversy. It's already fucking with your mind and it is obvious

[doopayo]

Dude this isn’t a controversy, it’s a thread filled with incels that need to get a life 😬

[TruthBringer]

@doopayo The irony of someone who uses "incel" and "reddit loser" as an insult telling others to get a life

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also a thread full of feminists losers. (Looks at your comment right now)

[doopayo]

Do y’all think you’re funny 🤨 cause y’all hilarious. I’m not a feminist but ok my guy

[TruthBringer]

@doopayo Hard to believe you're not on feminist forums getting indoctrinated considering you're using obvious feminist shaming tactics. But whatever floats your boat sweetheart. At the age of 15 and already so bitter, I honestly feel bad for you

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@doopay was i even trying to be funny? Sure horse laugh all you want. But what's also funny is the fact that you're being a hypocrite. If you're not a feminist then those people you're taking about aren't incels. But yeah you just want double standards like what feminists do.

[doopayo]

😐 they’re an incel because if you look at the stuff they post it’s obvious they have a hatred against women. Y’all keep making excuses for someone who isn’t even you PLEASE

[doopayo]

Acting mad goofy

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then what makes you consider not obvious that you're just hating men? Saying obviously doesn't really prove anything. Just like i can say obviously retarded. You still haven't even answered my question yet

[Aiko_E_Lara]

*you are obviously retarded

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And acting mad and goofy, doesn't that sound familiar to you when you're read your own comment?

[msc545]

I'm still trying to figure out why you are arguing with a child. I think that kind of says something about you no offense intended. Admittedly she's a Bright Child but she doesn't know very much actually and I wouldn't waste my time with it if I were you.

[TruthBringer]

@doopayo You don't even know the definition of an incel. Hence why you're just throwing it around so casually. Many men who aren't incel also share the view that society is treating women better than men despite feminists trying to push for so-called "equality". One doesn't have to be an "incel" to realize this. But by all means, stick to your limited feminist vocabulary.

[TruthBringer]

@msc545 You actually have a point. I feel more sorry for her considering she is already bothering herself with these topics at her age. But oh well, she is another one who has fallen for the toxic feminist ideology. In the end she is neither my sibling nor my my child, so not my problem

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@msc545 i do not care how old anyone is here but if they make an argument is an argument and age is irrelevant. If they don't want argument then they can correct themselves first instead of choosing the hard way. If it really is a waste of time for you, i know time management. You may be wasting your time doing something else other people don't care about

[doopayo]

The fact that you seriously think that me telling this dude that he’s an incel = hating men is beyond me 🤣

[KrakenAttackin]

@TruthBringer Yeah, @doopayo is a false rape accusation just waiting to happen.

[doopayo]

@KrakenAttackin dude, fuck off. Making fun of actual rape victims is disgusting. You’re old asf, why do you even use the internet anyways? You literally could be my dad stfu 🤨

[KrakenAttackin]

@Aiko_E_Lara My mistake, I misread a post. My apologies.

[KrakenAttackin]

@doopayo. You Dad needs to teach you about the real world, however; I suspect you are the product of a "heroic" single mother.

[doopayo]

@KrakenAttackin not all dads are good dads but ok 🗿

[KrakenAttackin]

@doopayo. Your hatred for men is abundantly clear. Perhaps if you had your father in your life?

[doopayo]

Dude 🤦🏽‍♀️ you need help, I never once said anything about hating men. Y’all are obsessed with putting words in my mouth

[KrakenAttackin]

@TruthBringer My larger concern is that @doopayo is a product of school indoctrination in extremis. She will never be able to think for herself as she has been so damaged at such an early age. Her personal relationships are doomed to fail, but her left-wing puppet masters only care that she tows the party line.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin She really is a mess. God help whatever man tries to date her in the future.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 Agreed and this is why I said @doopayoi s ripe for making false rape allegations. She is obviously hooked on drama so she will torment men in relationships and eventually use the power of government to punish men who displease her. She is dangerous as fuck.

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin Absolutely correct and an excellent analysis. Someone to stay very far from.

[msc545]

ALSO, no empathy at all. Incel means an involuntary celibate - a man who is celibate against his will because of the way women treat him. Someone who we should have sympathy for, not someone to mock or denigrate. Compare this reality to the way she uses the term Incel, and you can see the underlying cruelty.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@msc545 And this is why consequences exist. It should keep anyone from being so entitled. Spoil morons and they'll spread like virus believing in lies growing up.

[msc545]

@Aiko_E_Lara except there are NO consequences for women who make false accusations and very light consequences for them for other offenses. Men get clobbered for the same things.

[doopayo]

The way y’all are obsessed with making up scenarios in your head, you’d think y’all where into some weird ass furry role play 😭

[Gespenster_division]

@msc545 agreed look what happened to Harvey Weinstein. Some actresses prostitute themselves out for movie roles and he became the bad guy while the women got off with no consequences

[doopayo]

😕 dawg I know you can’t be defending the pedophile rink loser with a straight face. You’re this much of a dumb ass?

[msc545]

Poor Harvey, just doing what every other guy in his position does, and BOOM.

[J2ohhhhh]

Being a woman is like playing bass guitar. You can play two notes and you're in a band playing music.(easy to be a woman at low level) While being a man is like playing normal guitar, you need to be relatively decent to play music. But once you're in, you're the one who'll be remembered while being remembered as a bass player you need to be really good. I think there's a statistic that women doing low paying jobs are doing better. That's where they can get stuff for looking good and having a pussy. But there's a level when men who handle the promotions ar that successful that they can get enough pussy without doing little favours.

[TessCasie]

No no no females have to play the game in the field too. If it was that easy there would never be competitiveness at workplace to get promoted. And once if a female is promoted the snarls and backbiting she’ll have to face is appalling. And then when she’s home her boyfriend or hubby treats bad knowing the fact she might have had a bad day at work. Especially if he is upset that she earns more than him. But yeah it depends from men to men.

[KrakenAttackin]

@tesscasie. Everything in Western society is designed to support, enable, and enhance women. The whole government support network extracts wealth and labor from men and gives it to women -- at gun point if necessary. The legal system gives women every advantage over women both in civil/family issues and in criminal matters.

Just one example: Three times more is spent on women's health issues than on men's health issues, but yet, women already outlive men, are a larger percentage of the population, and have far less hazardous occupations.

Women have every advantage they can possibly have, but like small children, they are so used to their privilege they take it for granted.

[TessCasie]

@KrakenAttackin I agree

[KrakenAttackin]

@tesscasie. Thank you.

[jennifer_bloom]

Being attractive to men does not solve all your issues, you still have to stand the same 8 hours that males stand when you go to work to do your job, you still have the same chemistry and physics homework that ugly people have. You still have the same harassment and bullies and racists whether they make fun of you out of jealousy for looking good or whether they attack you out of mockery for looking ugly. Everybody has problems - the only thing is their problems might be different from yours.

[ZackBan]

I saw nothing but a fax machine. And yeah you know many will be buthurt about this but it only makes the point stronger.

It's high time we stopped letting fanatic feminists twist every narrative to their advantage and set the record straight ourselves.

So far we've had feminsim but soon we will need some serious masculinism just to even the scale. I for one am tired of listening to BS every single day from power hungry pyramid schemers

[Explorer91]

Go to Saudi Arabia. A woman can’t even book a visa/ flight without a male guardian permission. Then reflect on What you wrote.

[Gespenster_division]

Is that the country that imports Africans and works them half to death for slave wages?

[TruthBringer]

Last time I checked we don't live in Saudi Arabia nor is Saudi Arabia the world or the representative of it. Invalid argument, try again.

[Gespenster_division]

I see no problem with breastfeeding in public!

[AFellowWeeb]

Yes, but we are from the west