Why do people purposely call trans people by their old pronouns?

[SmokinAces2000]

Look I get that some people might not agree with a certain lifestyle but at the end of the day we are all human and those of us that aren’t murderers and rapists deserve respect so I don’t think it’s too much to ask for people to be called what they want to be called, like my aunt always told me “you don’t have to agree with something to respect it”

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For all of you guys going anonymous and writing down transphobic things, if you believe this things why are you so scared for people to see the real you, you clearly have balls to come on here and say rude things have the balls to go public

[Xitomyth]

The reason really depends on the person, but in general there are three reason to use the "old" pronouns as you put it, aside from the usual mistake/slip. The first is that someone actually knows the trans person from before and it's just habit/reflex. The second is that they have an issue with the person for whatever reason, be it a phobia (fear), a grudge, idiocy, maybe they just don't like the person instinctually, etc. The third reason, which is where I fall in, is accuracy. It is a fact (scientific/medical/biological) that trans people don't actually change genders. The surgery only make the person look the part, as in simulates the appearance and feel of the opposite gender, no more nor less. But a simulation is not real. The person doesn't grow the other set of reproductive organs, they just have their own manipulated to look and feel like it. A trans female cannot get pregnant due to the fact he does not have a female reproductive system (womb, ovaries, vagina, clitoris, etc.). A trans male cannot impregnate a woman, due to the fact that she lacks a male reproductive system (testicles, sperm, etc.). Hormones won't magically change a person to the opposite gender either, they only help the body in certain ways, such as changing hair and skin in certain ways. It would take genetic manipulation and/or reproductive organ transplantation to truly change genders. A trans female is still male biologically, so masculine pronouns still apply and are accurate. A trans male is still female biologically, so feminine pronouns still apply and are still accurate. It does not matter what you think you are, what matters is what you actually are, gender is not assigned, it is observed, you're born with it, period. You're gender identity is entirely up to you, but that does not change your biological gender nor your species. Identity is about who you are, not what you are. It's like a mature dog that thinks its a puppy, it'll act like a puppy, maybe even sound like a puppy, but is not. Think of feral children (kids who were isolated from other human contact) who are usually, but not always, abandoned in some way and taken in by animals, they act and sound like those animals, they may even look like them a bit, but they are humans biologically. Think Tarzan, he was raised by gorillas, but he was still human despite acting and sounding like a gorilla. I'm a mechanical engineer, I'm trained to solve problems using mechanics, but I can only do that if I have accurate information. Just because a person looks, talks, and acts like a certain gender, does not mean that they are, and that affects everything, from studies to medical treatment to physical capabilities. If I don't have accurate information, I could design something useless, or worse, something that is not stable and therefore dangerous. Would you want the architect that designs your house to ignore the terrain it is to built on? Say he designs your house for the beach, but you are building it in the middle of the mountains, do you think that will end well? Accuracy is important, and I prefer to be accurate instead of courteous or politically correct. I also don't care that much conversationally though, so if they want a a different pronoun, ok, but I will use the accurate term for official use, as in filling out forms, reports, etc. Lets people know who and what they are dealing with. Also, I can't stand people who prefer the pronouns "They/Them", it's plural, as in more than one, so only way I'll accept that is if they have multiple personalities, multiple heads, or are conjoined twins...

As note: Respect is EARNED, not deserved, not given, and not demanded. If anyone wants respect, shut up and do something to earn it.

[Anonymous]

Im ok with He his, her, hers.. But any of the other 50k+ pronouns i refuse to use. If they do not like it they do not need to speak to me.

[SmokinAces2000]

Yeah I do agree with that just like I also think that there are two genders because transgender is transitioning between the two genders

[Opinion Owner]

same here. If the person wants to be identified as him or her, pick one.. But that is the limit of my tolerance for pronouns.. the ones that want me to go with xim and xir, or they them.. or things like that, I respond only with.. Ok You will refer to me as "His royal majesty" or "My lord" Because that is just as stupid and ridiculous.

[Screenwriter]

I only have one issue with it. Elliot Page was Ellen Page before Dec. 2020. I think it's appropriate to refer to Elliot with the former Ellen Page as a reference. Or, when Elliot referred to himself as Ellen.
It becomes quite confusing if there is no line of demarcation. In 2014 Ellen Page came out as gay, not Elliot Page. Though there was likely an Elliot Page before WE knew about it, or maybe there wasn't, everyone is different, calling "Ellen" a "dead name," is troublesome.
Bruce Jenner was a male athlete in the 70s. Kaitlyn Jenner is another person. A "not" Bruce. We have to be able to refer to that part of Kaitlyn's life. "When Kaitlyn was living as Bruce," seems appropriate to me.

[Coulis]

I saw Ellen Page walking down Spadina in Toronto. She's very petite. Yes she. She could chop off this, reconstruct that all she wants but she is a possessor of two X chromosomes and she always will be.

[Screenwriter]

@Coulis Though Elliot Page has two X chromosomes, medical and psychiatric doctors agree that Gender Dysphoria exists and is a real psychological state that gender change recognition and reconstructive surgery addresses and ameliorates.

People are born with all manner of chromosomes that don't match up with their mental or physical states.

There are people who are born "between".. but who mentally believe they are one or the other gender despite how that gender is physically manifested on their bodies. It's called GENOTYPE and PHENOTYPE. What your genes say might not be expressed by what you look like (phenotype).

What you look like USUALLY coincides with WHO you feel like... You LOOK like a woman, you FEEL like a woman.

For some hermaphrodites, they can feel either way... and some had gender reassignment surgery before they were old enough to know HOW they felt and their lives were RUINED...

At least now people are being given a choice. This is only 2-3 percent of the human population who are this kind of different.

[Screenwriter]

Adults need to decide how they want to live their lives and what makes them happy. The first transgender surgery person, Christine Jorgensen lived an ordinary life. She lectured on her experience, and spoke about it, but otherwise was not in the public eye and she was happy.

That is all that is important to Elliot Page. Hopefully, HE will be sure of his choice and happy about it and it will profoundly improve HIS life. It doesn't matter what SIZE a person is. There are small, petite MEN too. They are unusual, but they exist. A tiny percentage of them are XYX, or XXY. Some are XX. That 2 percent.

The 98 percent of us who aren't need to respect that minority and let them be who they feel they should be. And be comfortable with the choices other humans make, though they are not what WE would choose. Remember. WE DON'T NEED TO CHOOSE. We're ordinary. All our geno and phenotypes align. How lucky we don't need to do anything extraordinary to be ourselves. We are what we were born with. Try to accept that for Elliot who's been through a host of changes.

I don't envy all that he had to do to get where he is today. I wish him good luck.

[Coulis]

Hermaphrodite is not the same as Ellen Page's situation. I said what I said.

[Screenwriter]

@Coulis I realize this is your OPINION, but it goes against medical consensus and the reality that there are XX people who mentally feel they are XY and XX people who are attracted to XX people, or XYs who are attracted to XYs.

This is ALL ABOUT THE VARIABILITY of the HUMAN CONDITION.

There is NO ONE WAY TO BE. The race will not die out because of these variations. Accept that people are different for thousands of reasons. Just ONE of which is transgenderism. And it is a TINY PERCENTAGE of people. Just as gay people are a small percentage, about 20 percent of the human race.

Eighty percent of the human race are heterosexual and 98 percent gender identify with their birth bodies. Does this matter to the biological viability of the species. '

Not by one whit.

So PLEASE TRY TO ACCEPT other people where and how they are. You don't have to be their personal friends or let them into your house. But get to a place where you REALIZE there are differences among people that you don't like or make you uncomfortable. ACCEPT THAT.

AND BE KIND!!!

[Coulis]

I'm not accepting a thing. You want to me trans then be in the trans "woman" bathroom and the trans "man" bathroom.

Same for sports and whatever else.

[mistixs]

@Coulis "she's very petite. Yes she." if you want to be rude then that's your choice

[Screenwriter]

@Coulis I have not said there are not ISSUES with transgenderism. But we are not talking about bathrooms and sports. I'm taking about accepting what a person wants to be called and what they feel like they are. The bathroom and sports issues are separate. I'm talking about treating someone as they wish to be treated. Call Elliot a "he". It's no skin off your nose! What does it matter what chromosomes Page has? IT DOESN'T.

[Babewithplan]

@Screenwriter Dude stop encouraging transgender people. A man is a MAN because he’s BORN AS A MAN. Changing your PENIS and wearing women’s clothing does NOT change YOUR GENETIC MAKE UP. That’s why they’re still not allowed into women’s bathrooms, because we acknowledge that they are still MEN wanting to invade a space for women.

[Screenwriter]

@Babewithplan I realize you CANNOT, babe. But you must also realize, anyone who goes through taking hormones, or declaring their transgenderness, is not wanting to INVADE a woman's space. They want to JOIN that space and also BE women.

Doesn't matter that they weren't born as one. They want to become. If they're going to go through all that trouble, I'm willing to let them try. They've got to be modest and polite about it if they have othered equipment, though.

I don't think transmen are trying to invade men's spaces. They feel they are men and want to join the club. And keep reminding yourself. 2 percent or fewer or the world is in this situation. It's not a Boston Marathon of people pushing to get "IN".

[acooke-13]

Doing it by mistake is understandable, mistakes happen but doing it on purpose is vile. If it doesn’t effect people I don’t understand why someone can’t use the correct pronouns

[NormaTavish]

Did it occur to you its perhaps against their beliefs?

[acooke-13]

@NormaTavish no, in my experience It hasn’t been, however it obviously can.

[NormaTavish]

My point was because you get people who don't use the pronouns you might like or ones that would be courteous they may actually have a good reason for doing so and that doesn't make them "vile". :)

[acooke-13]

@NormaTavis what is a good enough excuse to not use use it

[NormaTavish]

Take me as an an example, I'm not a "Vile" person, I'm not an evil person, I believe there are only 2 genders, I wouldn't use a pronoun I didn't believe in, you think I should be made to just because you or anyone else wants me to?

[SnowyOwl]

@NormaTavish you raise a good point. We are all free to live as we wish so long we are not hurting others or going against the law. And people shouldn't take others' freedom as an offence or personal attack. We're all different and there's beauty in that

[NormaTavish]

@SnowyOwl Agreed :) if we had more conversations like this we would most likely all learn to accept each other better:) regardless how different we all are, after all its that's we are all different that makes us interesting.. if we were all the same it would be boring..

[mistixs]

@NormaTavish "you think I should be made to?"

Nobody should be forced to say anything but it's the polite thing to do

[NormaTavish]

@mistixs Agreed :)

[acooke-13]

@NormaTavish I agree with you, and I also believe there are only 2 genders, but because I'm a nice person I will call someone what they want to be known as - because it makes no difference to me or have an effect on my life. There is no reason to not do that sooo..

[ThisDudeHere]

I don’t think it’s too much to ask for people to be called what they want to be calledIf I ask to be addressed as His Majesty, it won't be too hard for you, no?

[SmokinAces2000]

Well since your majesty isn’t a pronoun I wouldn’t call you that

[ThisDudeHere]

Neither is zim and all that other bs.

[SmokinAces2000]

I don’t agree with all that I agree with calling a transgender man him or he but I don’t agree with people saying there are infinite genders and stuff like that

[ThisDudeHere]

So you only disagreed with my original point based on a technicality?

[NormaTavish]

We all have different beliefs. You can't ask someone to use language they don't believe in, we're all entitled to our beliefs and freedom of speech.

Would it be nice if they tried to accommodate you if you ask them to use the pronoun you would like, yes but you shouldn't expect it as a right. You do not have a right to tell anyone what language to use or try to demonise them for what they decide to use or not to use, any more than they have a right to tell you what sexuality you should or should not choose to be.

[CurlyGirl42]

I don't get it either, but unfortunately there are people who are stubborn and want to stick to their freedom of speech over being considerate to the people you engage with. It is a very unappealing trait, but unfortunately it is in some, for example also people who want to use racist remarks.

[Lildiq]

It's not about disrespect... It's about being intelligent and factually correct... Would U say ghosts are real jus because people want you to believe they are?
I can't help it if I think it's impossible to change gender... I'm jus smart

[CurlyGirl42]

@Lildiq pronouns are words people use to refer to each other. They do not need to specify a sex. If people where giving a name at birth they did not like and want to change that then you would also be calling them by what their parents decided? I think that is very disrespectful.

[Babewithplan]

Are you seriously comparing changing your NAME to now changing your entire fkn GENDER? People like you are perpetuating the issue.

[CurlyGirl42]

@Babewithplan no, I am not talking about changing anything but what you call someone. He/she are just words.

[Babewithplan]

@CurlyGirl42 You compared changing names to changing your gender. And there is no comparison, really!!

[CurlyGirl42]

I personally put some of my identity in my name. People also put identity into the gender they are. Therefore the comparison.

[CurlyGirl42]

I don't care what people identify as, as long as they don't get to use it to go in rooms/area for the other sex. But if someone says to me they want to be referred to another pronoun, it is SO easy and I lose nothing. Just a word. Like a name is just a name.

[Babewithplan]

@CurlyGirl42 Yes but they don’t draw the line there. Once you start adhering to that, they’ll start demanding you refer to yourself as “cis” so that you start validating that delusional mind frame. That’s my issue with the transgender people. As far as I’m concerned there is no “cis”, because there is only man and woman. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[CurlyGirl42]

@Babewithplan I rather want to focus on the real issues. Like males going in prison for females and female sports. Pronouns is just a way our language has been for ages. What difference does it make in everyday life that someone is called he or she or they? That is really not an issue to me, and I think people making it so should not forget the real issues that ruin the lifes of some females.
Someone demanding me to call me or others cis I am against. That is my call, like I think it is their call to have another pronoun. To each their own. I don't want to give trans no rights because some go further.

[Babewithplan]

@CurlyGirl42 I don’t agree with the entire construct to begin with, so when the demands start coming in, it doesn’t sit well with me whatsoever.

[CurlyGirl42]

@Babewithplan as long as society does and many do put people in specific boxes, like woman are certain types, then it is constructed, and it has been like that way before the modern trans community started. So I don't think it is so weird that people in this world also identify more to the other gender. I wish for a society where gender only matters and is really consider in specific circumstances where the biological sex is relevant, but it will take a long time.

[Babewithplan]

@CurlyGirl42 I do think that it’s weird, because they’re defying nature and that’s not right.

[CurlyGirl42]

@Babewithplan to me they are only defying the language by changing pronouns. Language is just a construction, not nature.

[Babewithplan]

@CurlyGirl42 They’re defying nature by changing what’s given to them by nature. And now it’s the language they’re trying to impose their will upon, which I don’t agree with in any way, shape or form.

[CurlyGirl42]

@Babewithplan by default you cannot defy nature. Changing what's giving by nature? Then you are against so many other people.. I think you are very extremist in this cause. Sorry, but very difficult to understand extremes for me.
I will leave it here.

[Babewithplan]

@CurlyGirl42 Huh? You defy nature by defying it the way it’s being done by trans people.

You’re way too accepting.

[Screenwriter]

@Babewithplan A boob job is defying nature, as is a nose job, eye job, chin and butt implants, facelifts, breast and butt lifts, ear pinning. Those plastic surgery operations all have to do with altering what was naturally bestowed on a person. And they seem to improve how a person feels about themselves. Transgender people are doing the same thing: changing how they look to change how they feel.

What they're doing is far more drastic and they could, just as other plastic surgery clients, lose their lives during such surgeries. BUT, the big difference is it has to do with an external SEX change: not just propping up sagging this or that, or too small the other.

There is gigantic OUTRAGE at people who want to switch sexes, at least as much as it can be done with hormone therapy and surgery. If a nose job or butt implant is done, the person who exits the surgery still has the same sex organs they entered the procedure with. There's no penis or breast removals, no building of a vagina or penis where there was none before: so hormonal support for such changes.

Those who don't want such surgeries seem stupefied and ANGRY at those who do. This is something I patently do NOT understand. What does the choice to DO these changes have to do with YOU? How are you directly affected?

Sure there is the sports issue. That one is problematic. But the BATHROOM issue? Who's going to know who is who? If everyone quietly goes about their business entering and exiting stalls, how will this impact the rest of society?

Yep. It won't.

The sports issue will have to be addressed via hormone level tests and muscle mass tests. Elite women athletes have always been on the higher end of muscle mass. However, their hormone levels are unlikely tp be in the same range as a man taking hormones to be feminized. But we'll find out, won't we.

[Babewithplan]

@Screenwriter There’s a few issues with what you’ve written above.

Firstly, as a society, people are not accepting and tolerant of cosmetic surgeries no matter the “need”, so what makes you think people will start showing empathy NOW when it comes to the cutting of penis to form a vagina and the rest that comes with it?

And do you know WHY? I’ll tell you the REAL issue I can think of when it comes to transgendered people. For me, it comes down to my kids. I don’t want my future kids to be part of a society where that sort of retardation is normalised. For religious people it goes against the MOST FUNDAMENTAL beliefs and cannot be accepted from that point of view alone and then think of the influence it possibly could have on the future generations? It’s insane.

Secondly, do you know of the recent incident in the US that involved a fkn transgender woman who still had a penis and felt entitled to enter the ladies’ bathroom, where there were women AND KIDS, who SAW HIM FLIP OUT THAT DICK BECAUSE HE “IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN”. Do you understand that it gives creeps the permission to enter the women’s bathroom with no need for an explanation whatsoever. Anybody can now “identify as a woman” and enter the ladies’ bathroom.

It’s people like you who make me want to cleanse my soul. YOU who are the reason why we have transgender people identifying as women competing in women’s sport. Because people like YOU are advocating for the inclusion of the mentally ill, which leads to the direct exclusion of women in sports and Manu others and the freedom of women, generally.

Congratulations.

[Screenwriter]

@Babewithplan I have never ADVOCATED for the inclusion of people who are mentally ill to enter anyone's bathroom. Most transgender people are not like that NUTCASE who flopped out his johnson in the ladies room... He was a sexual pervert. That is NOT what being transgender is about and you should not associate people who are sexual perverts with people who are transgender. There is no relation!

This is the same argument as saying a gay teacher will advocate for his young students to be GAY! Idiocy! Gay, transgender, bisexual, asexual or cis, these people are professional TEACHERS!!! That is their jobs. They are there to teach subjects that their young students need to know to pass their tests and to be able to navigate the world of facts.
To associate the miniscule minority of people who are sexual deviants with people who are simply DIFFERENT is wrong.
As I've said, I have issues with trans athletes trying to take over women's sports. This is unfair in so many ways. And there have to be definitive tests that rule out biological males from competing with biological women.

This is an issue of male privilege. Former men want to carry their privilege into their new lives at women. They need to check that shit at the door. You can't have it all. That is a fallacy former men will run up against. Good luck with that. Women aren't equal to men in US society. Better get used to it before you choose to be a woman, per se.

[Screenwriter]

See THIS is why there should be years of therapy before anyone makes the final choice to switch sexes. I don't mean go under the knife. I mean live life AS the other sex. This used to be the protocol. Now they rush people into being other-sexed as young as 10 and 12 years old.

I suppose there are those few who know that they are transgendered. But it IS the flavor of the month right now. The new IN thing. Many are calling themselves transgender, asexual or non binary. I think these are labels that are tossed around willy nilly. And late adolescence is a time to try on new identities, so people call themselves these names.

The comedian Eddie Izzard calls himself transgender, however he is only a cross-dresser, or transvestite. He refers to himself as a "he" and is not interested in changing his body part or taking hormones. He loves dressing in women's clothes and has been doing so since he was 4 or 5. That defines cross-dressing.

People who are mentally healthy occupy every category, though the struggles of some trans people means they haven't worked out all their issues. And, as I started out saying, people who are seriously transgender need to get years of therapy to resolve their being so different from the mainstream.

I can't persuade anyone to wear board shorts and T shirts like I do 95 percent of the time. Am I transgender? No. I like being relaxed and I don't like wearing dresses. I shop in the men's departments because men's clothes are better made and last longer. And I'm fine with how I look in them. I dress up for funerals, weddings and graduations and special occasions. Heels and all. Otherwise I'm in hiking boots and board shorts and Ts.

There's nothing wrong with me. I've accepted how I like to dress and if others are confused, well they are. I don't pull out ANYthing in the bathroom and have no desire to use the men's room unless I can't get to the women's room before having an accident and the men's is empty.

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[Screenwriter]

f I'm teaching children, the only thing I want to teach them is to love nature and to study and learn.

Again, the 2 percent of people who are trans and mentally healthy are not a problem. The mentally healthy are about eighty percent of the population. So there ARE mentally unstable trans people. But the percentage of them makes them some tiny number of people.

The solution is to make transgender feminization and hormonal treatment NOT DONE until people have at least 3 years of psychological therapy. People should be happy with their choices and not leap into something THINKING it will solve their problem. Therapists will help with this.

[Babewithplan]

@Screenwriter I find the concept so weird. My stance is that transgender people are a threat to our kids and it shouldn’t be tolerated!!

[Babewithplan]

They need some help from a professional and that’s what they really should aim for.

[Screenwriter]

@Babewithplan The people who need help are the people who WILL NOT TOLERATE SOMEONE WHO IS DIFFERENT! There are perfectly mentally healthy trans people. Where they suffer is with people who say they won't tolerate them or are suspicious that they have some sort of AGENDA to convert children!

Trans people want to live their lives just like you and me. SURE THEY NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP! THEY NEED IT TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY ARE SICK OR THEY SHOULDN"T EXIST!!!

Listen to yourself! This is the same negative attitude foisted on slaves, women, gays and bisexuals, and NOW to transgenders.

Women can't possibly THINK for themselves, they need men to think for them. ... Slaves, black Africans, aren't fully human and need the white man to protect and take care of them. They're a little more intelligent than cows or dogs... Gays are sick. The natural order as written in the bible is man with women! There is no Adam and Steve or Eve and Eva.

So transgender rights are one of the last sociological frontiers. No one would ordinarily find their sexual organs and type of body repulsive. No one would choose to NOT want their sexual organs or body the way that it is. This is the same argument against gays. People do not choose who they are sexually attracted to. They just ARE that way. The way they are doesn't make a person "sick." It simply makes them different. The human condition is broad.

[Babewithplan]

@Screenwriter My opinion is my opinion. I don’t agree with what you’re saying, but I’m done debating it.

[SmokinAces2000]

Babewithplan you are done debating it because you can’t come up with any sufficient claims to back up your close mindedness

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 I can’t argue with mental retardation LMAO I’ll never accept you weirdo people. No matter what you say, it’s fkn WEIRD and so ABNORMAL to what to be a different gender. I laugh at you.

[Screenwriter]

@Babewithplan Just try to be open to human difference. That takes time and a good heart. A good heart is invaluable. You don't have to LIKE the difference. You simply have to be accepting of it. This will take you far in every aspect of your life. Good luck and regards!

[Babewithplan]

@Screenwriter I cannot. Thank you!!

[SmokinAces2000]

Babewithplan who gets to decide what’s normal, there is no normal, no one is normal. You are clearly trying to hide your closed mindedness behind walls you put up. I seriously hope if you have children, they don’t come out as gay or trans because you would probably never talk to them again and every child needs a mother so I hope that’s not the case

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 I’m not closed minded. I’m normal and not mentally retarded such as the trans people lollll

[SmokinAces2000]

You are extremely closed minded and it’s really not funny. It sounds like you want to live in a world where everyone looks the same, everyone acts the same, everyone dresses the same. That’s not the world we live in and it sounds very boring

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Scroll above and read the reasons as to why. Otherwise I’m done with you freaks. You’re going to hell anyway. Good luck

[SmokinAces2000]

Babewithplan last time I checked you aren’t God so you don’t dictate who goes to hell and I did see your reasons and that doesn’t change that your closed minded

[Screenwriter]

babe, sticks to her opinion, yet she heard a lot of dissent to that opinion. Maybe she'll think about all that's been said. That's enough. I hope so.

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 I find you abnormal. Enough said.

[SmokinAces2000]

Babewithplan and who made you the dictator of what’s normal

[Screenwriter]

@Lildiq It IS impossible to be another sex. You can get as close to being that sex as possible through hormonal treatment and surgery. HOWEVER, you can mimic another gender through dress and makeup as closely as possible also. You are still not "changing your sex" but you are changing your SEXUAL EXPRESSION. That is completely possible.

[Babewithplan]

@Screenwriter Men cannot be women. Sorry.

[SmokinAces2000]

Babewithplan so I guess men can’t be nurses or teachers because historically women have always done those things

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 How the fuck is that the same? 😂 Women have vaginas, period, breast milk AND we give birth.

Men, who do “become” women through surgery will STILL not be able to have periods, breast milk OR give birth. Do you know why? Because they’re men. Men are ALWAYS men no matter what surgeries they have. They then become men who have had authorised and do take hormones to become women. Still not women. Do you see?

[Babewithplan]

They then become men who’ve had surgeries and taken hormones to start looking like women, but at the core, they’re still men.

Women don’t take hormones because we are women.

[SmokinAces2000]

Okay and your point is,: yes everyone knows that biologically speaking you can’t change your X and Y chromosome but in most cases you can’t tell if a trans women or man are even trans so there is no reason to be a dick about it. And I bet even in the future if doctors can change the x and Y chromosomes you would still be talking shit

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 I’m talking to a bunch of retards lolll

[SmokinAces2000]

Babewithplan you are free to leave the discussion anytime you want, although you aren’t bringing much to the table all you’ve done is write down insults and argue your weak little point. I mean how much time do you have on your hands damn.

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Freak!

I’m from Australia and we’re in lockdown, so I can discuss for another few weeks

[SmokinAces2000]

So let me ask you something are you here to change peoples minds and views or just here to troll

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 I’m trying to make you see the absurdity of it really

[SmokinAces2000]

Well continuously insulting me isn’t going to make me see anything that you have to say so that makes me think that’s not really why you are here, and you are only here to spread your hate and closed mindedness

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 My hate towards anything that insults GOD.

[SmokinAces2000]

You don’t even know if God is real or if transgender people are an insult to him so let me get this straight you are hateful because of a supernatural being that you don’t know exists, I believe in God as well but I’m not going to live my life in hate because the God that I believe in loves all of his creations and won’t send a trans person to hell because they are trans

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Are you yourself trans? I know you’re black, but are you trans too?

[SmokinAces2000]

No I’m not trans and yes I’m black I’m not sure what either of those things have to do with anything

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Seems that you might be pro trans because you can relate to the discrimination and empathise with any trans person, whereas I am able to call it what it is - an insult to GOD.

[Screenwriter]

@Babewithplan I agree with you technically, Babe. But it seems there is psychological and psychiatirc precedent for body dysmorphia and/or an ACTUAL mental state of thinking/believing you are a person of the opposite sex.

It is a very rare occurence, and it seems there might be some wires crossed because of some genetic snafu that makes these very few people this way. In all the REST of their lives, they are normal, so we're NOT talking MENTAL ILLNESS.

This entire issue is about accepting DIFFERENCE.

You don't have to LIKE this difference. It might repulse you. It might make no sense to you. You might think it IS a mental illness. But all you have to do as a fellow human being is accept that this person wants to live, have some happiness and is NO THREAT TO YOU.

That's all we're trying to convey to you Babe. No physical man or woman change actually become the opposite sex. There is surgery and hormone replacement therapy that renders them as close to the opposite sex as medicine can possibly make them. There are others who don't even want to change their bodies but want to live as the opposite sex and NOT have surgery. But mentally, they feel they are the opposite sex. There are ALL MANNER OF PEOPLE, the few that there are, who are along a SPECTRUM of male and female and want to be recognized. Non binary etc...

Some of it is micromanaging the gender issue. I don't know why it has to be so divvied up. It's not for me, but I don't have these feelings and never had. I don't want people who've worked through years of therapy, etc.., to feel they cannot BE THEMSELVES, no matter how far from the mainstream that SELF may be.

We're all quirky in one way or the other. Gender difference desire is pretty far off the track. But it exists, and I'm going to respect someone's choice. No one deserves to be miserable in their life.

That's all it's about Babe. Being kind.

I think there's ROOM for everyone under the sun.

[Screenwriter]

@Babewithplan GOD made every single iteration of human diversity on this earth. Nothing that exists insults God. We are all manifestations of GOD no matter who or what we are.

[Babewithplan]

@Screenwrier You’re a sweet and intellectual person and I get the point you’re trying to make. You’re coming from a place of empathy and compassion. While that’s noble of you and I’m sure trans people do appreciate you for it, I see it entirely differently. To me, they are a threat to my kids and I did mention that previously. I am a GOD fearing person and I DO see them as a threat in every sense of the word. They threaten my womanhood by referring to me as CIS gendered AND they threaten my privacy when they enter the women’s bathroom. As much as I do wish that I had it in me to accept these folks, I don’t think that I will for the many reasons mentioned above.

[SmokinAces2000]

Babewithplan 😂 by that logic white people who supported the civil rights movement were actually secretly black wearing white face 😂. And you and your kids aren’t that special no trans person is going to threaten you 🙄 😂 you just feel threatened because you are ignorant

[Screenwriter]

@Babewithplan I wish you knew a few trans people to disabuse you of this fear. If you're not fearful of gay people, and I hope you aren't, then I hope you can extend this to trans people. I don't expect it to happen overnight. But fears are dispelled with experience. I am a God-fearing person also and I'll pray you feel better about this issue and learn there is little to fear for yourself or your children.

You have far more to fear from straight men and women who are the 98 percent of people who might sexually abuse or misuse children. I have so many gay friends and longtime friends who know the few transgender women and men in their circles and who are friends with them,

There are also many trans and gay people who are God fearing and churchgoing, too. Good luck with everything.

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 You’re still a retard don’t worry.

[Babewithplan]

@Screenwriter No, they are an anomaly living in society. I pray GOD eradicates them and we no longer have to bare them in our lives.

[SmokinAces2000]

Babewithplan So you believe in God and are so righteous but you feel the need to insult people to make your point you know just because you are God fearing doesn’t mean you are entitled a spot in heaven

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 It’s still much more logical to think that than rejecting what GOD gave, no blessed, me with and going against it completely. The fuck.

[SmokinAces2000]

Okay God fearing Bible thumper, I guess you have never worn jewelry, or gossiped, or spoke in church, or worn fabric blends. Since you are so God fearing I’m sure someone like you hasn’t done any of these things

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Sure as fuck haven’t wanted to turn my vagina into a penis. I’m good.

[SmokinAces2000]

So you are a hypocrite got it

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Piss off you bore lol

[SmokinAces2000]

Naw I don’t think I will considering this is my question but you are more than welcome to piss off yourself 😁

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Sure gay boy

[SmokinAces2000]

Okay lesbian girl

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 That’s why you like trans people cause you like to have then penetrate you right.

[SmokinAces2000]

😂 how ignorant can you get what’s wrong with you, and you say trans people have a mental illness

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 I know you’re gay. That’s why you love the trans people. Love yourself some dick don’t you. Some black dick too? 😂

[SmokinAces2000]

Why are you so fixated it sounds like you are trying to reflect your own sexuality on to me no need to stay closeted it’s 2021😁

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Yet I’d still not want a transgender. You like black dick? 😂

[SmokinAces2000]

I like mine yeah that’s where it ends but I’m sure one day you will accept yourself and come out the closet

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Did you really admit to being gay? LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 You’re black, gay and pro changing genders so much wrong with you.

[SmokinAces2000]

I said I like my black dick please tell me how that’s gay and now there’s something wrong with being black so you are a racist and a homophobe

[Screenwriter]

I don't care about people using othered restrooms, i. e., women's gym changing rooms and bathrooms, as long as their modest. Women's bathrooms have STALLS. There is no OPEN urination anywhere. So what does it matter who's IN the stalls.

It's the same with gym changing rooms. There are stalls and showers that women can change in. No one has to see any part of their bodies. I don't see this as much of an issue with women..

The only ISSUE would be if some person with male accoutrements let it all hang out. There'd be a riot...

[Bee-Hatch]

There's such a thing as habit. For example a person that's known someone whose transitioning for years will have accumulated memories of the other. That can't be ignored they will still care about the person transitioning, but it can just feel natural to use a particular set of words they've always used.


I'm not excusing their behaviour. But you have to consider their motives. If they aren't malicious then a discussion / reminder and a bit of patience can overcome a lot of problems. If however it's done maliciously then you've every right to feel a grievance.

[420Rachel]

Trans people struggle enough mentally. Being rude to them purposefully is just plain shitty. That's bullying and no one (except rapists and murderers) should be bullied. You can't control anyone's life or actions except you're own. People like "Jessica" Yaniv or Aimee Knight though? Fuck them, they don't deserve any type of respect. People who pretend to be trans so they're predatory behavior can be excused should be hung by their toes. But anyway, as the golden rule states "Treat people the way you want to be treated".

[bannacookies]

Amen.

[Anonymous]

I get your point. But at the same time the problem with it is then if you let one person be called what they want you have to allow another. If a child wants to be called unicorn in the class room is that okay? If I want to add a doctor in front of my name instead of Ms is that okay? The saying you don’t have to agree with it to respect it is pretty gaslighting. It’s basically saying, on any topic I believe To be right I expect people to respect my view. People don’t just put doctor in front of their name because they are not a doctor. Only doctors reserve that right, you can’t just choose to be called what you want. If you are not a doctor you don’t get to choose to be called one because you want. That’s not how life works.

[SmokinAces2000]

That wasn’t a great analogy because a lot of people call themselves doctors because you actually can do that if you earn a doctorates degree in university

[stephanie-ramos]

WHAT? 😂😂

1) It’s not gaslighting. We’re talking about gender (social construct). Not sex (dna). There’s a difference and trans people know that.

2) You don’t have to work in the medical field to call yourself a “doctor”. Doctor is someone with a PhD whether it’s arts, history, politics, psychiatrist, psychologist, etc.

3) You cannot compare what a child says 🆚 how an adult trans expresses. Most trans are adults. Kids barely understand their own emotions or how other feels. So that example is kinda dumb.

[Babewithplan]

@stephanie-ramos Say what you want, but it’s still not normal to want to change your gender and life as the opposite sex. It’s not natural. Do you see nature wanting to live as the opposite sex? No.

[Babewithplan]

Live**

[stephanie-ramos]

That’s the stupidest shit I’ve ever read….

First, there’s no such thing as normal. Ask a psychologist.

Say what you want, but “nature” doesn’t have a sex. If you’re referring to animals, they’re called “animals”. And they don’t have the same reasoning or way of thinking as humans have. All they do is survive.

It’s GENDER. Not sex. Sex is biological; it’s DNA. They’re called transGENDER for a reason.

Say what you want, but experts already have that they have the brain of the opposite sex. Reason why they feel so deeply about changing their gender.

Read the DSM-V about body dysmorphia. Then come back.

[Babewithplan]

@stephanie-ramos You are what they call a freak of nature. People don’t accept transgenders, so get some psychological help. You need it.

[stephanie-ramos]

Being a freak is more fun, baby. You’re boring and dry af.

Who’s “people”? YOU? You don’t represent the entire population, transphobe.

You are what they call “the scum of the earth”. Go wash yourself in sage or Clorox. Ya need some cleansing to do, sweetie.

[Babewithplan]

@stephanie-ramos LMAOOOO I’m the scum of the earth when you’re the freak of nature? You’re just a faggot in women’s clothes x

[stephanie-ramos]

THERE SHE IIIIISSS HAHAHAHAHA

SHE CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET AS A TRANSPHOBE 🍾🎊 Should we celebrate it? Wanna support a trans stripper doing the helicopter with her penis on your face? It’s for a cause lmfao

You say “freak of nature” like it’s an insult HAHAH I’ve been the black sheep since mama popped me out. I take it as a compliment not being a normie like you. Here’s a star ⭐️ for trying lmfao

[Babewithplan]

@stephanie-ramos I didn’t really read all of that, but the first line says I’m a transphobe? Yes because you’re freaks of nature wanting to become something you’ll not become even with the surgeries and clothes. You’re disgusting and I feel so sorry for you mental illness. Get some help x

[stephanie-ramos]

And bitch, I ain’t trans lmfao But DAMN. You yelled that like there’s no tomorrow 😂

[stephanie-ramos]

I’m a psychology graduate. YOU have no idea what a mental illness is and it shows.

YOU can't EVEN READ A COMMENT. And you want to debate about this? You have NO IDEA about what you’re talking about.

Go educate yourself. You’re rotten inside. Go medicated yourself too because you’re a lost cause.

[stephanie-ramos]

Ironic how you mentioned that one of hour goals was to avoid toxic people, when you’re toxic af 💀💀

[stephanie-ramos]

**your

[Babewithplan]

@stephanie-ramos You really do make me laugh you pathetic little cunt. Even you not being trans, you are still a freak of nature advocating for mental illness. Get well freak x

[stephanie-ramos]

Freak is a compliment 💖💖 How many times do I have to tell you? lmfao

Also, READ THE DSM-V YOU FUCKING CLOWN.

Trans IS NOT a disorder. It is NOT body dysmorphia. They’re not the same shit. And not every trans has it.

EXPERTS will absolutely disagree with you but you’re so close-minded and uneducated and ignorant and gross and toxic and shitty…. You only care about your ass only and not doing proper research not understanding. You go straight to being an asshole. An abortion gone wrong.

Pendeja 🥴

[stephanie-ramos]

And by “laughing” you mean “pretending to be laughing to hide my anger and hurt ego yet i keep coming back”?

[Opinion Owner]

@stephanie-ramos ok lets say you have a daughter. She’s 6. Would you be comfortable sending her into the female bathroom knowing a male has entered the bathroom too. I mean. He wants to be a she. She wants to identify as a female. So she wants to use the female bathroom. I mean according to you. People can be titled what they want right? If this person chooses to title themselves a female they can use female bathroom.
There’s a reason people can’t just title themselves whatever they want. You idiot.

[Babewithplan]

It’s some lunatic saying that he’s a woman entering the female bathroom and doesn’t expect to get charged because “he identifies as a woman”. The fuck lol

[Opinion Owner]

If someone wakes up and decides they don’t like their gender, ok. That sucks, but that doesn’t give you the right to go okay I want everyone to treat me like I’m the opposite gender. It’s crAzy. It’s like a person with black skin saying I want you to call me white because I don’t like being black and I feel I should have been born black. It’s literally just as insane,

[stephanie-ramos]

So to summarize everything, you’re gonna “title” yourself according to a bathroom? That’s literally what you’re saying but you’re calling ME an idiot? Nothing you say makes sense. I don’t think this sort of topics is right for you to discuss.

And yes. I would feel comfortable because she’s gonna be next to me anyways whether this trans person is inside or not. What’s your fear?

[stephanie-ramos]

This thing is so simple, yet is NOT clicking in any of y’all.

GENDER is a social construct. They’re changing their gender, not their sex. You cannot change your race, just like you cannot change your sex. BECAUSE IT IS PART OF YOUR DNA.

See what I mean when I say that nothing you say makes sense?

[Babewithplan]

Yes or someone who’s fat saying that she identities as a model and excepts to be treated a auch 😂 that is considered insanity and that’s what we don’t accept and won’t.

[stephanie-ramos]

I’d suggest you to understand this topic in a conversation with someone who’s trans. And STOP listening to someone who has no idea what they’re talking about. Who does not have a family member nor friends who are trans.

It’s like asking an atheist about the bible.

[Babewithplan]

Such*

[stephanie-ramos]

Talk to a psychologist who knows about these topics because they have to give therapy to trans due to all the trauma they go through.

They will educate you about this whole thing. Stop paying attention to these transphobes who refuse to listen because only their opinion matters, and not education.

If you don’t want to and decide to continue being ignorant, that’s on you.

[Opinion Owner]

@stephanie-ramos gender is a social construct, wow. Social constructs can be changed right? Can you please make my boyfriend give birth instead of me then? Oh wait, you can’t. You know why. Because gender isn’t fluid. It’s fluid emotionally. Psychologically. It’s not fluid physically.
We are giving stupid examples not because we are stupid or don’t understand but the topic is so stupid the only analogies even mildly comparable are stupid,

[stephanie-ramos]

Fat women CAN be models. What am I reading? Being a model isn’t about being skinny. It’s about showing pieces of clothes (whether high fashion or not) from a certain brand for a specific size) 🤦🏻‍♀️

[Opinion Owner]

I don’t really think many people see a different between gender and sex that’s why,
People interchangeably say the female sex and female gender. Not sure why or how someone can identify with one and not the other and not create mass confusion.

[stephanie-ramos]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Are you retarded? EXPERTS. People with PHDs. SOCIOLOGISTS. People smarter than you have been saying this FOR YEARS. That gender is a social spectrum.

[stephanie-ramos]

YOUR examples are stupid. “CAn U MaKe mY BoYfRiEnd”— girl shut up.

Gender is something, an identity, we came up with. THAT is why it’s a social spectrum.

Changing your gender does not mean a transwoman will give birth or menstruate. They know they can’t because their SEX is male.

Google is free. Is right there at your feet. Oh my god 🤦🏻‍♀️

[stephanie-ramos]

**social construct

[stephanie-ramos]

They don’t see the difference because they’re not comprehending the difference…

[Babewithplan]

There’s no point arguing with these imbecile freaks. Save your energy.

[Babewithplan]

As long as the majority is against them, they won’t really be able to impose that shit on the our kids etc.

[stephanie-ramos]

Gender being a social construct also refers to gender roles.

Some people don’t even identify themselves as man or woman (non-binary) as a way to be against these social norms that have been taught to us.

“Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time.” — WHO

[stephanie-ramos]

little transphobe… you’re late af. Laws are being made to protect the trans community. More trans are being involved in the education system too 😉😉

There's no one more blind than he who refuses to see

[stephanie-ramos]

Pro-lgbtq+ are becoming the majority now.

Is that enough or do you want me to keep going? lmfao

[Opinion Owner]

@stephanie-ramos dont delude yourself. People are politically correct and afraid to look bad. I knew a group of girls, seemed really lovely welcoming and were pro gay rights and acted like they accepted it. Behind closed doors when everyone was drinking. Everyone admitted that they thought it was wrong and secretly against it. I was so shocked coz they acted so accepting.
People lie.
It’s like people aren’t going to actively be racist. They are going to pretend to not care. But a lot of people are.
If I meet people in person I would never ever say the shit I’m saying here. I would say yes I am totally for everyone having equal rights and totally agree. Bla bla,

[Opinion Owner]

And I’m not a trans phobe just because I don’t agree with certain things, that’s a label you are calling me because you want to, just because it is your opinion doesn’t make it true.

[Opinion Owner]

I think people can be whatever they want to be, I just don’t agree with the process and everything everyone says on every topic. So I think the issue is your narcissism and the need to be right. So before you start to label others maybe look in the mirror.

[Opinion Owner]

I believe people are too scared to say how they really feel on the topic because of psychopaths like you who rage and make accusations that are untrue to ruin people’s reputation if they dare not support delusions. I believe most people disagree with most of what you have said, but if they dare vocalise that crazy people like you would try and publically shame them and ruin their character, bullying people into support is not real support hun. And if you had real support you wouldn’t be so crZy defending yourself to Me on my post, your going crazy coz you feel unsupported. I’m done with you now, bye.

[stephanie-ramos]

You’re diagnosing someone with years of knowledge in mental health yet you refuse to read the dsm 5 and educate yourself. The MANIPULATION here is on a whole different level. You’re being repetitive about something WRONG. It isn’t about what I’m saying, it’s about what professionals have said.

It’s like believing that the earth is flat regardless of the thousands of proofs that have been given.

It’s so obvious that this “oh.. oh people just pretend to be like this 😥 “ you just came up with it to have something against my point. And that was weak af, but whatever helps you sleep at night…

Yes. You are a transphobe if you are against it. There’s no in between. Search it up if you don’t believe me. Google is right there. Ask a trans if you aren’t a transphobe just for not supporting it. I dare you.

[stephanie-ramos]

It’s like not liking black people for being black yet saying that you aren’t a racist. Same energy lol.

[stephanie-ramos]

You’re terrified of the word and you refuse to acknowledge that you’re being one. Maybe there’s a reason why…. So maybe YOU should be the one to look inside you.

[stephanie-ramos]

Stop mentioning random diagnosis like “psychopaths” and “narcissism” when it’s obvious you don’t know shit about any of that. NOBODY here would’ve known who’s the psychopath, honey. Only the psychopath knows who’s the psychopath. Psychology 101.

You’re a manipulative, gaslighting moron pulling the trigger when she doesn’t need to and shit ends up falling on her instead.

I’ll leave you with that one.

[Babewithplan]

She’s so irrelevant fighting against mutants has no point.

[Opinion Owner]

I don’t dislike trans people. I disagree with certain concepts. It’s like if a black persons says an opinion. I disagree with the opinion and then he calls me a racist. That is how retarded you are being now. I disagree with certain issues regarding trans people. Does that mean I don’t accept them no. You are the one saying that, it’s like the go to card to shut someone up. Call them a racist so they can’t disagree with you.

[Opinion Owner]

@Babewithplan yes it’s annoying. She’s not helping her cause, she’s bullying people into complying. There’s a difference.

[stephanie-ramos]

“Bullying”? Cmon you’re a big girl. What’s all this crying? 🤦🏻‍♀️ smh

Maybe if the name-calling wouldn’t have started from the other side, none of y’all would’ve been hiding rn.

[stephanie-ramos]

You’re completely delusional. You’re not disagreeing with something simple or “an opinion”. This entire time you have disagreed with things that apply to their identity and who they are.

“You can’t just choose to be called whatever you want”, that’s literally what you said. Or you forgot about it?

You’re not just disagreeing with the process, but you completely refuse to believe the difference between sex and gender, you don’t even dare to say the proper names: “transwoman” or “transman”, in previous sentences ago, you said “a man entered the female bathroom” instead of “a transwoman entered the women’s bathroom”…

[stephanie-ramos]

But that’s ok. The anonymity says everything….

[stephanie-ramos]

I’ll leave you with that one. Don’t have to answer. If you do, I’ll keep responding back. So I don’t wanna hear more crying after you come back for more lol.

Good day 😌🍾

[Babewithplan]

I blocked her ass already. That sort of demented talk deserve no validation. It’s some fkn retard on GAG wanting to glorify something that’s abnormal and I pray it doesn’t get accepted and they are forced to stfu about it.

[stephanie-ramos]

Wow. y'all disgusting. I hope kids & boyfriends in yalls lives come out 😂 thatd be the greatest thing ever lmfao

[Screenwriter]

@Babewithplan Yes, there are animals that switch sex, naturally. Skinks, some snakes, some mollusks. And there are animals that "act" like the opposite sex than what they were born as. And it's completely normal and has existed forever that people chose to be the "other" sex than they were biologically born. Native American tribes had men who lived as women. This was socially accepted in these tribes. They were considered special people. (See the film "Little Big Man.")

Again, we're talking about 2 percent of the world's population!!! This isn't some giant juggernaut that's going to turn society upside down. These people will simply be visible, where they were never seen, nor considered. That's a good thing. One day, they'll be barely noticed. Transvestites will likely wear dresses to work on days when they feel like dressing LIKE a woman.

I personally think all of this is interesting and NONE of it is a threat to anyone. When people are accepted for who they are, everyone will be happier. Everyone will fit in better. People's eyes will be opened that there is endless diversity among humans. That is all this is about.

[stephanie-ramos]

In summary: “evolution”

[stephanie-ramos]

Let’s not forget, that homosexuality also has always existed among some animals.

[Red_Arrow]

Because gender fluidity is ridiculous. I volunteered at an organization where one of the staff preferred to be called they/them. Often people came up asking for assistance I could not give and I would have to refer to this guy. He was a guy, he wore male clothing, he just was flouncy. Normally I could say talk to him. Easy to identify then. But oh, no. He wanted us to say something like "see they" when "see him" would give the directions the asker could understand. Way too much of the nonsense with pronouns.

[Babygirlsweetheart1]

Its a new age retardation. Ignore it. Call it an it or a him.

[hahahmm]

It's the same reason that if you tell me to refer to you as "King Joe" I'm not going to. If you were really a king or similar enough to one you wouldn't have to tell me to call you that. If someone looks and acts enough like a female then I would call them she/her. Otherwise not. Don't get mad at me because you're too fugly/weird or unable to ape enough of the qualities of a real woman to be mistaken for one.

Now if someone honestly looks unisex (probably super obese) and it can go either way... sure, I will take them at their word when they say "I'm a woman" or 'I'm a man".

Bottom line is, stop blaming other people for your inability to be mistaken/identified as the gender you wish. If you have to force people then you're doing it wrong.

[rjroy3]

Personally I don't consider it a respect or disrespect thing. I basically don't consciously use pronouns in conversations when referring to the person I'm talking to.

It's when referring to them to someone else, like asking "what is he/she/are they up to?", "are they coming". Things like that. I don't say sir or ma'am except for very specific circumstances, so to me it would actually be annoying to even think about.

If it's something like they want to be called by their new name. That I get and can respect. That's a human respect thing. But pronoun coaching I won't abide by. Not gonna go out of my way to throw it in their face. But also will continue basically never using pronouns and not thinking about it.

Because why bother

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Eh... not to be that girl, but biology proves 2 sexes not genders and intersexed isn't clear cut really. A lot of times it is just sort of left up to the parents and they could be wrong.

As for the "lie" part of it. May I counter argue that the words we use today were created by man and have modified heavily through the years. So in reality, you aren't lying by saying her for a transwoman and he for a transman. If that doesn't work, you can also use they/them which satisfies your thoughts of lying while delicately moving around around their preferred gender.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Omg my post went to the wrong place again...

[rounddablock]

You can do whatever the hell you want to do. This is a free country and I’m libertarian. Which means I will stay your lane and I’ll stay mine. If you want to be called a different “pronoun” then alright whatever makes you happy.

But from I’ve seen it’s not about staying your lane with the recent developments in trans movement. It’s about doing some outrageous and then acting like victim and crybaby at the backlash.

I am not “transphobic” if I don’t want to date trans women. I am not transphobic if I don’t think it’s fair that trans women compete in women’s sports. I’m definitely “transphobic” if I think it’s sick, creepy and twisted that a biological male (who hasn’t even had gender reassignment surgery yet) wants to share the women’s bathrooms and locker rooms. No. HELL NO. I draw the line on that crap.

[Dragonpurple]

If I never knew someone before their change, and they looked to be the new gender I'd call them that. If I knew someone before though, forcing me to call them something different is taking away my rights and freedoms.

I can compromise though, if they do not like he or she, for what she used to be... I can go for IT or thing.

My point is, you can't really force anyone to change the words they use... it has nothing to do with respect or maybe it does, how about respecting those of us that don't want to be forced to call someone something different and a gender change is not the same as a name change.

[LillKrull]

There are two main sets of gendered chromosomes. You are either XX, in which case you are a woman, or you are XY, in which case you are a man. And yes, there are anomalies in the form of hermaphrodites, such as XXY. But those are as stated. Anomalies.

If you don't agree with this, you don't agree with basic biology.

For me it really depends on the person. I'll cobsider calling you your prefered pronoun if I respect you. But respect is earned no matter who you are.

I am not however, going to partake in a strangers twisted fantasies just because it's considered "politically correct."

[SphynxUK]

If you’ve always known a person to be one gender, and then they change, your going to slip up once in a while.
But if you meet someone on their journey or who have completed one, you refer to them as the gender they are now. It’s pretty simple.
I have a trans colleague. Another colleague uses their female name when referring to them, but says ‘he’ said this, he done that, and it infuriates me!

[Honesttguy]

See for us men ita hard to say she, cus we are not considering trans women for our future wife. We can't imagine ourselfs kissing or sleeping with transwomen it traumatizes our brain. So not to traumatize ourself we say he to not get fuked up in head.

[snackthatsmilesback]

in my opinion if you don't know them before then how do you know their biology? And honestly if someone feels the need to challenge your gender for any reason but for something specifically legally separated by gender like bathrooms or sports, that's rude.

You don't need to know that. What are you gonna treat them differently just because they're the other gender? In most cases that's just sexist. So in most cases pushing someone to tell you or go by their biological gender rather than whatever they wanna go by is just pushing them to accommodate your sexism.

It's a fucking word. Parents get to pick our whole names at least we can pick our pronouns now guys jeez. Have some manners maybe. It's not like they call you the wrong one on purpose just to "prove a point" about their beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Because people don’t feel the need to adjust to your delusional minds and start calling you something that you are not. We also can’t be bothered to consciously put in the effort of correcting ourselves for you. It takes conscious effort to do that and we aren’t willing to do that.

[SmokinAces2000]

So you are admitting that you basically lack empathy for others and have a “I don’t care screw you” mentality

[Mark-IV]

Better than I would have said it myself

[Opinion Owner]

@smokinaces2000 I am absolutely admitting that I can’t be bothered to start adjusting my vocabulary to perpetuate the delusion that is called transgender is what I’m saying.

[Screenwriter]

American Psychiatric Association disagrees with you that it's a delusion. Medical professionals support reassignment surgery and the fact that gender dysphoria is a medical/mental health condition. So the medical populace says you are incorrect.

[SmokinAces2000]

So your perfectly happy being closed minded usually people refuse to admit that they are close minded but at least your honest 🙄

[nxxxxxxxxxxxa]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Grow up, that's what I think.

[Opinion Owner]

My opinions are my opinions and, in this instance, a vast majorly agrees with it, so are you willing to fight everyone that disagrees with the notion of transgender then?

[SmokinAces2000]

Never said I would fight every opinion I simply said you guys are closed minded

[Opinion Owner]

@smokinaces2000 It is what it is

[Explorer91]

Exactly. They don’t like who they are so they want people to go into their fantasy land. Sort of like if someone doesn’t like their blAck skin and wants to be associated with the white race they want everyone to call them white. It would be insane, it’s like your not white. Your black, your not going to be called white. It’s the same with gender, if you want to be all Michael Jackson and change your skin cool. But no one called Michael Jackson a white guy. He was still a black guy with white skin. If you change your gender coz you don’t like it. Okay. But it doesn’t mean you are not the new gender.

[Opinion Owner]

@explorer91 You are absolutely correct. When someone’s “identity” shifts, they are not entitled to see a shift in everyone else’s conceptualisation of “them” and conform.

Especially in the concept of “gender issues”. Changing YOUR identity now demands that everyone else change their entire CONCEPT of how they (for the entirety of their lives) perceived the genders and what associations they have (so far) made? For what? So that YOU may now start feeling validated in your delusional mind frame?

Make it make sense please? It doesn’t and that’s why I won’t accept the demands they make for me to change MY speech or conceptualisation of “gender” and “identity”.

[Explorer91]

Yea exactly. It’s like 99 percent of the population see the sky as blue, and 1 percent believe it is multiple shades like blue pink green yellow. And they are so convinced of this. Like they see something no one else does. And that’s fine. I validate that you are different and see the world differently. I respect that. But I’m not going to start saying yes there’s green in the sky right now. When clearly you look up and it’s blue. But these days I feel we are bullied into saying there’s also green in the sky to not hurt the feelings of the 1 percent who see green. It’s like why should I have to do that so you don’t feel abnormal. We can’t pretend the sky isn’t blue so you can feel you are normal, if you aren’t normal cool, but don’t expect everyone to have the “empathy” aka people pleaser syndrome not empathy to validate this for you. It’s exhausting. I have other issues to validate. Like hunger, homelessness, people’s access to healthcare, refugee support. There’s other issues that concern me more and require my empathy more, than your mental health.

[Opinion Owner]

@Explorer91 Yes! It’s the disruption of “normalcy” that bothers me the most. I’m not conforming to the mind’s of the minority, so that they may start feeling good within themselves now. Surely, there’s other routes to feel good about yourself than having to chop your dick off and identify as the opposite gender.

Stand your ground. I certainly won’t let it change my speech or

[Opinion Owner]

My views because it’s what THEY want. You’re right about taking that energy and doing something substantial with it than to validate some mental illness as we know it is. There’s medication for that.

[CasaNorba]

“you don’t have to agree with something to respect it”

and just because someone disagrees with you does not automatically mean they're disrespecting you. I highly doubt they are calling you by your old pronoun to offend you but then again they're not entitled to call you by what you demand them to because after all since the dawn of time science has proven that there are only 2 genders and you can't just automatically change your gender and demand that people will be in the same page as you

[TheSpaceGnome]

I'm not interested in being scientifically inaccurate just to comfort people, I see enough of that kind of atrocity in religions.



I also think it's dumb to have any form of surgery thats not medically needed, and I think words in general should have a single fixed definition per word, so a male or a female shouldn't have fluid/multiple definitions each.


People can say it's a phobia all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that a phobia is an irrational fear, and I'm not afraid nor am I being irrational.


I simply just don't agree that genders are anything more than a synonym for one's biological sex. And I find it to be a type of phobia for people to want to surgically mutilate themselves just to fit in with delusions of gender stereotypes.

[Dazed0N0Confused]

The only time I've ever called a Trans/non binary person by their old pronouns it was an accident or i didn't know their preferred pronoun, but I've corrected myself. My best friend's little sibling is non-binary & i call them "her/she" on accident to my friend at times & quickly apologize.

[Babewithplan]

I’m sorry that you feel the need to do that

[Dazed0N0Confused]

@Babewithplan its the right & polite thing to do for any human being.

[Babewithplan]

@Dazed0N0Confused It’s unnecessary

[Babewithplan]

@Dazed0N0Confused And it’s whatever!!

[stephanie-ramos]

People make a huge fucking deal about saying someone’s preferred pronouns. Bro, it’s just a word. “She”, “they”….


“Because she was born a wom—“ it’s none of your business how they came out from their mama’s 🐱 It’s a matter of respect.


And most don’t actually care about “biology”. Only when it goes with their agenda. That’s not how science work.

[tashsteege]

Yeah don’t talk about biology if you’re gonna defend trans people. You look really dumb

[kitkills]

@tashsteege You really tried to make an argument and then completely failed to open your brain enough to realize that all Biology supports that trans people are in fact, trans.

[tashsteege]

@kitkills ok... 🤔 please explain how a trans woman who used to be a man now has only XX chromosomes instead of XY. Please go ahead I’ll wait.

[kitkills]

Because gender and sex are not the same thing genius. Someone's sex is always going to be their chromosomes, but someone's gender is completely different

[tashsteege]

@kitkills vagina = she/her, penis = he/him. I don’t give a fuck about what gender you think you are. This is how we distinguish between those of different genitals.

[kitkills]

Lmao you're an idiot. There's no saving that miniscule brain

[tashsteege]

@kitkills great response 👍 that was full of argument changing info right there.

If you’re born with a dick but decide to cut it off and walk around wearing high heels, you’re still a fucking male, dipshit

[stephanie-ramos]

They change their gender (social construct), not their dna or their sex. You dumb fuck.

[stephanie-ramos]

The fact that you’re freely admitting “idgaf about your gender” but decide to throw yourself into this conversation to try and argue when GENDER is supposed to be discussed and its difference (with sex) understood, just makes you look like the entire 🎪

Just delete your account please lmfao

[stephanie-ramos]

Sex is how you were born according to your DNA (XX, XY). It doesn’t say “men” or “women” in a little corner of your DNA when you look at it through a microscope. That’s shit we came up with.

That’s where gender comes in. Gender is just an identity we came up with.

Who the f do you think you are to point at others and demand them to call themselves however YOU want. Y’all need to stop making things about yourselves.

It’s about THEM and a matter of respect. What if I call you by the wrong gender just because *I* feel like it and it’s what *I* think?

[tashsteege]

@stephanie-ramos “social constructs” are made up and have nothing to do with what you were biologically given. I don’t acknowledge gender. I acknowledge sex. And to differentiate between the sexes, we say “he/him or she/her” and there’s nothing you can do to change that about yourself. This is a 2nd grade level concept you dumb ass bitch

[SmokinAces2000]

tashsteege so your idea of saying something educational and intelligent is to start off strong and end with dumb ass bitch. I was actually listening to what you were saying but now that’s invalid given how ignorant you clearly are

[tashsteege]

@SmokinAces2000 adding an insult doesn’t debunk the facts lmao

[SmokinAces2000]

Well it sure does make people not want to listen to what you have to say, so if you want people to actually listen to you and if you want to “educate” people I would suggest that you refrain from using insults in your debates

[stephanie-ramos]

Thank you for agreeing with me and using your idiotic comment to proof my point 😂😂

You using “he/him” and “she/her” IS ACKNOWLEDGING GENDER.

You useless sperm lmfao.

[stephanie-ramos]

Gender IS a social construct. It IS made up by us to separate us between groups of people (those with XX & others with XY).

And yes. You CAN change it. Because gender is not the same as sex (biological; dna). They call themselves transGENDER for a damn reason.

You’re literally repeating some of my points, but in your own words 🥴 You can’t get more stupider than that, son.

[tashsteege]

@stephanie-ramos “he/him, she/her” is how we normal people who aren’t batshit delusional refer to people who were born with the penises and vaginas. You’re so dense it hurts. I’m sorry you spent too much time watching buzzfeed as a kid

[stephanie-ramos]

OOOH gEt rEkT sNoWfLaKes !!1!!!1

There’s no such thing as normal. A psychologist would call YOU delusional for that lol.

Sit on this finger and rotate, pendejo.

[stephanie-ramos]

You normies are boring and drier than a kfc biscuit.

[kitkills]

@stephanie-ramos I wouldn't waste any more time on her idiotic ass. These people hear what they want to hear, and ignore everything that doesn't fit their agenda. (@tashsteege oh no I just gave you a she/her pronoun, doesn't feel great being called the wrong thing, does it? So why do it to people? Funny thing, chances are you've known trans people you couldn't even tell were trans because they pass so well, and called them the right thing without using a single extra cell of your already empty brain to do it.)

[Anonymous]

People are assholes because of their ignorance Some of the people in the commentsection are stupid. Transexuality is not a belief, it is medical condition and so a scientific fact. You either deny scientific facts or not. You can't believe in it.
Transexuality is a gender dysphoria. It is medical condition, it is not like non binary bullshit. The only treatment for this dysphoria is looking like other gender since they can't stand their genitals of their biological sex and get anxiety, and many other mental issues because of it. Their brain is different than non transpeople. So you can examine their brain. As i said the only treatment is looking like the other gender to reduce the symptoms of this dysphoria. By misgendering you are triggering their dysphoria and make it worse for them.
I also want to add that transsexuality become very political which harm the transpeople. This may be also reason why people show their hate but this is not a justification of course

[Opinion Owner]

The only treatment right now*******
In the future things can change

[Opinion Owner]

I also think the so called non binary people has bodydysphoria. They are not trans and the non binary movement only harm transpeople and confuse a lot of people

[Honesttguy]

So basically mentally ill people. Thats exactly how i see them. I feel sorry for them, they need caretaker or something.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, it is a mental health condition. I hope you dont mean it in a bad way. People use mentall illness as an insult. Again these people's only treatment right now is looking like the other gender to reduce the symptoms but they still can behave normal people and so work, care for themself. I have some nice friends who are trans. Just because you have some mental issues it does not mean you need a caretaker or whatever

[Opinion Owner]

You can watch blaire white a little

[Honesttguy]

I had one transgender in work. And few gay folks. I could see difference gay people seemed like regular people but transgender one i could see had some mental thing going on. Like rejecting his own body, really reminds me of anorexic people or emos who hurt themselves cus they dont love who theu are.

[Opinion Owner]

I believe you. This is why they go to therapists till their transition is over sofar i know

[Opinion Owner]

But i can imagine that some trans people still go to therapists when needed even if they had already surgeries and hormon therapy

[David_Kek]

For the same reason when little kids dress up as princesses and cowboys and stuff, we don't actually believe they are and only only playing. You tolerate that from children because they're still learning, with dress up being an important part of playing.
Adults don't get that leeway, because they're adults.

I'll start calling these people whatever nonsense they're calling themselves this week, if they start calling me my new pronoun, which is "my lord", and addressed directly as "your majesty".

[XavierSteele]

As a habit I will refer to the way you are dressed. That is if I notice you at all. My truth is that I don't go out of my way to look that closely at people enough to notice much more than the day to day things that transpire let alone what sex someone is or isn't. I'll be called a transphobic sob because I don't think I need to accept the world, I only need to accept myself.
I don't care what people do really because I'm not here to judge anyone. So it's not too much to ask that I not be judged based on fantasized slights that we as normal people aren't aware of. 🙂🙂🙂

[iseekpinetrees]

I call it like I see it. If your pushing to look like a girl I'll say girl names if your pushing to look like a boy and not a lesbian type of boy I'll say boy stuff. The whole they them stuff is stupid to me.

[friendzoned4life]

Facts

[suisuiola]

I'll always call you by your preferred pronoun since that's what you're comfortable with, I won't fight that. People do it to either be rude, because they don't agree with their decision or simply plain old transphobia.

[Miristheiss]

I don't understand.

I've never called someone a "pronoun".

If your name is Josh... I call you Josh. If your name is Becca, I call you Becca.
Pronouns are used to describe you when you usually aren't even there.

"HE" is out of town today.

[Honesttguy]

So true

[Ukrainianbuddafly]

My opinion isn't going to be popular but I don't conform to society and it's delusions. Yes it'd be a total slip but it wouldn't feel right to call a biologically born female a woman. I think it's disrespectful to our plight as women, the good and bad part is they'll never have to deal with the shit we do. I don't believe they deserve to be treated wrong but being called what you are isn't an unforgivable offense. 🤷

[stephanie-ramos]

Your comment makes no sense. Are a saying that does women who were born as one, they shouldn’t be called a “woman”?

But then you’re talking like transwomen shouldn’t be called “women” (which does NOT offend me at all bc they do get treated like women do, fiy).

So, which one is it?

[Ukrainianbuddafly]

@stephanie-ramos I actually realized I said that after the fact. I was typing too fast lol. Trans do not get treated like women that's just a fact. Yes they are mistreated and that's awful and inexcusable but still not treated like women.

[stephanie-ramos]

“Treated like a woman” how? In what context?

[stephanie-ramos]

Is it a fact because you say it or in which studies was that found?

[Omario2049]

Well other than some people just wanting to be rebellious and not conform. They may also do it for the same reason why people mistake my name that I prefer being called vs my official name. It could just be an instinctual reflex. My name is X and everyone know me by X and I go off and change it to Y and think that just because I make an announcement that I changed it to Y then that means it's just gonna overwrite what everyone already knew. People know instinctually what a male typically looks like and also female. So it's gonna take some time for this new norm to stick.

[tallcuck]

Imagine being a kid growing up in a nazi Germany. You are thought in school to hate jews, negros, gypsies and other lesser races. You love the fuhrer as he is the father of the nation and believe every word he sais.

Now tell me what is the difference between you and a nazi kid?

Only differnce is the colour of your brainwashing.

Trannies are delusional. We do not care what it wants to called. We will stop it as we did the nazis.
We used to lock up delusionals. Beware. Fashion and everything else is cyclical in nature. You might end up a mental health assylum or worse if you carry on forcing delusions upon others.

[red_knight]

You Do you. But dont force others to accept, think or say what it takes to please you. I'll say what I feel as it is what it is.

Get offended,
Avoid me,
Dont speak to me, it doesn't affect me as your choices weren't to please me to begin with.

It's your choice. But dont choke your lifestyle down peoples throats and expect a positive outcome, live your life and accept that not everyone will support you.

I dont have to respect it, but I won't go out of my way to be hurtful to peoples choices

[Rawr2021]

I personally don't care what they identify as. If they look like a man or woman, they get called as such.

People being overly sensitive these days is killing humanity. I am not attacking Trans by this, everyone in general on either side of the fence.

[bannacookies]

If people like it or not it's just a matter of time until this old generation of thinking will be wiped out once they die and the newer generation that supports this will carry it with them and it become comon knowledge to people. It will most likely go in history on how discriminatory people were against those that were trans or different pronouns.

[WowwGirl]

Cross dressing is illegal where I live so I think here anyways there is a lot of time till that

[WowwGirl]

Nobody wants to talk to me now🤣✌️

[Open2It]

@WowwGirl I'll talk with you, WiwwGirl... I think this whole thread is hilarious. The pro-trans say how vile the con-trans are but they're the ones posting hatred and calling names and ridicule.

[bannacookies]

@WowwGirl Lol. I know. People don't talk to others for reasons that don't call for it. I wish people wouldn't get so upset about these things. That's what I like about you. Our opinions can differ but we still get along and discuss things just fine. I wish more on G@G can do that.

[Juxtapose]

@WowwGirl "Cross dressing is illegal where I live"

LaNd Of ThE fReE, hOmE oF tHe BrAvE.

What a joke.

[WowwGirl]

@Juxtapose lv you buddy. I know no worries 💛

[WowwGirl]

@bannacookies I lv you for that too. I don't care if someone's beliefs are different then my own at all. I care if they are a good person not who ancestors where or who they sleep with.

[WowwGirl]

@Open2It It's interesting the science upset them it seems.🤷 Weird

[WowwGirl]

@Open2It yes I don't want anyone hurt or killed. I'm not going to swear I have vocabulary. I just disagree with the life style is all these pro cats just want to I don't know really? Curse and complain I guess

[MysteriousDarkness]

@WowwGirl Where is this place that it's illegal to wear clothes of the opposite sex?

[WowwGirl]

@MysteriousDarkness I'll tell you privately not everyone 🙂

[MysteriousDarkness]

@WowwGirl
You will have to send me a dm since I cannot send one to you first.

[WowwGirl]

@MysteriousDarkness ok I will this evening 👍

[WowwGirl]

I sent stuff to ya

[Zelda_5]

Because they're transphobic. Or rarely to not out somebody to somebody they're not out to already. But in what you're talking about, it's because they're transphobic.

[WowwGirl]

Because it's ridiculous to expect to change the English language because you have a identity disorder. If it looks like a man, talks like a man

[SmokinAces2000]

Who’s changing the English language you sound ridiculous 😂 all you’re doing is calling someone different pronouns and if a transgender man looks like a man and talks like a man, then what

[WowwGirl]

Acts like a man, has a different a xx chromosome, SPERM CELLS , a penis and a Adams apple. Guess what I'm calling HIM.

[WowwGirl]

Inappropriate wrong and uneducated changes yes. I'm not acting ridiculous because someone else is. Yeah I sound dumb says the person supporting dicks getting cut off🤣🤣🤣

[SmokinAces2000]

I think a lot of women who are so strongly against transgender are just mad because a lot of transgender women will look better than you 😂

[WowwGirl]

Its illegal where I live for a man to impersonate a woman. It's considered a sex crime thank goodness. So I'm not worried at all but enjoy 🤣👍

[WowwGirl]

Normal women don't look better then me, try again 🙄

[SmokinAces2000]

Oh someone seems full of themselves I’m surprised you can fit through doorways with such a big head

[WowwGirl]

That's it? Best you got

[WowwGirl]

Silly 🤣

[SmokinAces2000]

Yeah I don’t waste my life away trying to think of insults and slurs to post on social media

[bannacookies]

A true trans will look like the gender they wish to be called so if they want to look like a man, they will & talk like one, & they'll probably be called a man since they really look like one. Many of them you don't know they're trans unless they say something.

[SmokinAces2000]

bannacookies Thank You

[Uptowngirl88]

Right these people need therapy not people pitying them and telling them this is okay and normal because it's not. What normal person chops off body parts? How is that even normal?,

[lakotabebebe]

Change in the English language? Gender has been around since the dawn of man. In fact, transgender people have been here longer than you ever have been. Why should they spend thousands on therapy just for your small ego is the question we SHOULD be asking. 🙄

[Uptowngirl88]

These people didn't finish high school evidently because if they did they'd know there's no debate here. Biography speaks for itself.

[WowwGirl]

@Uptowngirl88 I have a grad school degree actually in mental health 🙂

[WowwGirl]

Biology and the APA speak for themselves. You are thinking of hermaphroditism, which have several types I know you don't know them let alone their causes because you are obviously not educated in medical or psychological studiesb AT ALL
There are four different types of hermaphroditism
XX hermaphroditism
* XY hermaphroditism
*True gonadal hermaphroditism
*Complex hermaphroditism

Even with the introduction of modern diagnostic methods, the cause of hermaphroditism is not able to be determined in many children. This is referred to as complex or idiopathic hermaphroditism.

46, XX hermaphroditism
An individual with 46, XX hermaphroditism has two XX chromosomes and the ovaries of a woman, but has external genitalia that appear to be male.
This type is usually caused by the excessive exposure of the female fetus to male hormones in the womb. There is fusion of the labia, and the clitoris becomes enlarged to resemble a penis. Internally, the female sexual organs such as the uterus and fallopian tubes have a normal structure.
46, XY hermaphroditism
An individual with 46, XY hermaphroditism has one X and one Y chromosome, as is usually seen in males, but the external genitalia are either not completely formed, or resemble those of females. The internal sexual organs may be normal, incomplete or absent, depending on the specific case. This type usually occurs because of an imbalance of female and male hormones. It may be caused by abnormal function of the testes, reduced ability to produce testosterone, or difficulty in utilizing the testosterone produced in the body.
True Gonadal Hermaphroditism
An individual with true gonadal hermaphroditism has both ovarian and testicular tissue, either in the same gonad (referred to as an ovotestis) or in one ovary and one testis. Some affected individuals have XX chromosomes, others have XY chromosomes, and others have a combination of both. Likewise, the external genitalia can vary in form, from male, or female, to ambiguous.
🙂 Thanks

[WowwGirl]

I love education 🤣

[SmokinAces2000]

Uptowngirl88 it’s not a debate on wether you believe that someone can be transgender it’s a debate on being respectful of ones choices

[WowwGirl]

I'll call them bob but not changing vocabulary / language that interferes with my day to day life. Bob sure

[WowwGirl]

Not happening take it out of the DSM I'll think about it

[SmokinAces2000]

WowwGirl so if you met someone and you didn’t know they were transgender and they seemed like a man and you called them him or he, once you found out that they were trans you would start calling them her and she

[lakotabebebe]

Biography? You mean biology, Uptowngirl88?

[Uptowngirl88]

@lakotabebebe yes biology auto correct changed it to biography.

[Uptowngirl88]

Bro @SmokinAces2000 if you're gay just say so.

[Uptowngirl88]

@WowwGirl he is so confused 🤣😩

[SmokinAces2000]

Uptowngirl88 wow so supporting the lgbtq community makes me gay now smh

[WowwGirl]

No your behavior suggest it though

[WowwGirl]

again medical degree I know what to look for down to the floating rib. They couldn't surprise me if they tried. Well some have tried

[SmokinAces2000]

WowwGirl so white people that supported the civil rights movement were black, it’s the same logic

[Uptowngirl88]

@SmokinAces2000 race has nothing to do with this 🤣🤦🏽‍♀️ . Just log off

[SmokinAces2000]

It’s an example, you are very immature and do not listen to others, you are older than me but you act like you are 6

[WowwGirl]

You still haven't addressed my science facts. @lakotabebebe @SmokinAces2000. Address hermaphrodites and hormone types such as GaBa or anything related to the brains process please.

I did

I can get out my DSM if you guys like... Let me know I have one always usually with me the professional version anyway

[WowwGirl]

Thanks guys 👍

[WowwGirl]

@worldscolide @Juxtapose thank you dudes @xaviersteele @Pterodon

[lakotabebebe]

@WoowGirl
1. I don't have to address you if I don't want to.
2. DSM is outdated. I was literally taught this in multiple high school science classes.
3. New data is being released and researched every day about gender, revealing new facts

[Uptowngirl88]

@lakotabebebe you can't be serious 🤣. What was the highest level of education you've reached? The DSM isn't outdated it updates every couple of years.

[lakotabebebe]

The DSM Girl is referring to is outdatedinfo

[Uptowngirl88]

@lakotabebebe gender dysphoria is in an updated dsm

[WowwGirl]

@Uptowngirl88 it is

[WowwGirl]

I gave the new one

[WowwGirl]

Have

[WowwGirl]

@lakotabebebe basically you have nothing and I shut both your smart ass mouths cool👍 I'll send photos of the current DSM that you are not allowed to even purchase. I am researched certified are you? Yes I have all current research in MY field

Next time don't assume things and don't be butt in being rude... it must really suck looking so foolish now?

[WowwGirl]

I couldn't imagine 😟

[ArztSchlachthof]

If a see a girl, it's she. If I see a boy, it's he. If they ask me politely to call them whatever they want, I accept. Others refuse to because they refuse to acknowledge that said people want to be something else. I don't care myself, I don't judge and I don't force my mind on others

[Losat]

There's a bit to unpack here...

Respect isn't deserved, it's earned. That said, I'll respect everyone until they give me a reason not to - that's just who I am.

Demanding that I violate my conscience is a really good reason to not respect you. I believe men are men and women are women, without going into any sort of gender debate. It's pretty simple for me.

With that in mind, how often does anyone get called by their pronouns? Sure, it does happen, but how often? When you're talking to someone, they usually say "you", or something to that effect; it's typically when they're talking about you that they use a pronoun and that either occurs in large group discussions or when you're not there.

[Babewithplan]

Yes and that’s why the post is as retarded as the trans people too.

[Adam1978]

Because they speak from their worldview not the receiver. So if they consider the person male they use the male term. No one can and should force their beliefs on others. That is disrespectful and intolerant. So the trans people are the hypocrite in this scenario since they can't accept the majorities view and is trying to force everyone into their bubble.

[oddwaffle]

I think respect is not there word I would use. Respect is earned. People don't get respect by just being people. I don't think using pronounce,. correctly or otherwise, is anything close to respect.

I believe the best expression would be "etiquette".

This is a better time because it says more about the one giving proper etiquettes to other person than the person receiving it.

[LazarusTheRisen]

Because they didn't change anything other than what they call themselves.. they didn't actually change what their body thinks it is. They just changed what they want to think it is. You can't force someone to change they way they talk because you identify as something else.. changing the words you speak doesn't change your genetic makeup. Even adding breasts or removing a organ doesn't change what you were. Plus freedom of speech.

[Taylor_C]

Because I simply don’t care what you identify as. I’m going to use whatever pronoun I see fit.

[Juxtapose]

If you pass well enough then you shouldn't even have to tell me what pronoun to call you lol.

If you have a beard and a big-ass Adam's Apple, sorry, I'm not fucking calling you a woman.

[SmokinAces2000]

Well yeah lol if that’s the case I doubt that the person would identify as transgender

[Juxtapose]

Remember the gamestop tranny?

"IT'S MA'AM!"

That dude could fucking rip me in half in a contest of raw strength.

[SmokinAces2000]

Well yeah I see your point but in the video the guy was intentionally egging the person on, if he said ma’am the interaction would have been over and there would have never even been a video in the first place

[Juxtapose]

[Juxtapose]

Would you call someone who is obviously a man a woman?

[SmokinAces2000]

If he wanted me to I would there’s no point in arguing what’s that going to achieve I probably won’t see that person ever again anyway

[Juxtapose]

In the moment it is inconsequential, sure.

But every moment of enabling this behavior will only encourage it to come back with a vengeance.

I think society needs to collectively tell trans people that yes, you can exist as equals but people are going to tell you how they feel about your behavior so you better toughen up.

[SmokinAces2000]

Well I can agree to that last sentiment there are a lot of snowflakes out here that don’t understand that not everyone will accept them

[Dontaaa]

Because some people don't like the notion of having to call a person something different of thier biological gender, that's why.
Which doesn't surprise me.

You go through your whole life doing things a certain way and then now some people are wanting to switch things up.


I'm not surpised that there are some people that are against it.

[SmokinAces2000]

If someone meets a man or a women and they look and act like a man and a women and you always called them by those pronouns, but one day you find out that they are trans and start calling them my the pronouns they had at birth then that’s fucked up and disrespectful

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 WomAN*
WoMEN is plural.

[SmokinAces2000]

Lol you commented on here for a typo go sit down somewhere grammar nazi

[Babewithplan]

@SmokinAces2000 Clearly you’re illiterate. It’s not a typo. You don’t know that womAN is not WomEN. Try again.

[Babewithplan]

And I’m already sitting, retard 😂

[SmokinAces2000]

So your idea of trying to educate someone is too insult them I don’t think I’ve ever met someone as ignorant as you please stop commenting because everything that comes out of your mouth is toxic yet you say you are trying to distance yourself from toxic people smh you really need to grow up

[Babewithplan]

Bla bla

[BeMuse]

1) You have to earn respect. 2) In language words have meaning. People learn that language and try to use it to the best of their ability to communicate effectively with others. 3) Trannies are a very small minority something like a half of one percent of the population. Their ideas are not dominate, thus they don’t get to mandate language changes. Stop being an asshole and get with the fucking program douche bag. We paid taxes for you to go to school.

[Madison193]

I am not going to call a guy she/her or a female he/him that's lying, and I'm not going to tell a boy that he can be a girl or tell a girl that she can be boy, that's lying (I choose not to add to the confusion)

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Thank you sir for your response to this topic.

[Madison193]

Lol! I actually am a ma'am (I'm not married though Lmbo!)

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Eh it is just a pronoun. Don't worry about it bro.

[Madison193]

Lmbo!

[bamesjond0069]

@Ez-Bri-Z exactly. Its just a pronoun. Trans should just stop worrying about it since its not a big deal.

[Kingofkings1992]

@ez-bri-z You’re like a 40 something-year-old child

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Aww bless your ignorant hearts.

[bannacookies]

@Ez-Bri-Z I love the sir part. Lol!

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Lol ty

[BlacklightShade]

Better to call people what they want you to call them.

[K-I-S-S]

Whatever happened to respect had to be earned?
Now it's you must respect this, you must respect that etc.

If you don't make fun of the person call them with whatever prenoun you feel most accurately describes them. Your freedom of speech and thought along their freedom to dress in a dress and cut their parts off.

[MidnightSun2]

Because they're rude, prejudiced, transphobic and lack manners

[slatyb]

Transgendered people challenge their fixed notions of human sexuality and they feel that the no one should be permitted to upset them in that way. Basically they are disgusted by anything besides simple heterosexual relationships. When someone activates those feelings, they become angry and fight back.

[Anonymous]

I do not care to play pretend with people to enable their deluded fantasies, enabled by the degenerate western society we live in, they can call themselves whatever they want in private and that's their right. I don't have anything nice to say to these people so I avoid them like the plague. Humanity has no technological capability to change someone's sex, it's rooted in biology and cold hard facts. If humanity did then sure I would have zero problem with them but right now they're just men in dresses with meatsculpture vaginas.

[lakotabebebe]

Because people can be dicks about change. They hear of something that they haven't heard of and instantly have a kneejerk reaction of "thing bad".

[tashsteege]

Or maybe not everyone feels like giving in to the obvious delusion

[lakotabebebe]

Sounds like you're struggling with change

[tashsteege]

Sounds like you’re severally brainwashed

[tupacs_only_wife]

Its either they forgot or they are just being dicks🙄🙄. Srsly trans people already have the qualities of the gender they desire to be so not noticing that a trans woman has boobs simply means your blind.

[Anonymous]

People MUST continue to call others by the CORRECT "pronouns" according to the actual sex that they are.
This world is simply going to become more and more INSANE as time goes by.
We HAVE to rise up and FIGHT against this reprobate nonsense

[Ninani]

Because they refuse to understand it and choose to bully them instead.

[Anonymous]

If you look like a girl, or a boy, expect to be called out as such.
If you are some ambiguous god knows what. You get random guess responses.
My life is too short to indulge your whims.
However, if you mean people are actively and purposely trolling you, then that is very different.

[Opinion Owner]

Incidentally, you can force people to provide public responses if that's what you wanted.

[Smashingdoozy]

They'll correct themselves when they misgender a dog but not a human 🤦🏻‍♀️

[snackthatsmilesback]

If I get a dog I'm making it transgender. Cause the dog won't give a shit.

[Smashingdoozy]

That isn't possible but you do you babe

[snackthatsmilesback]

Right, just the pronouns I mean. Not socially cause that doesn't really happen with dogs.

[Kingofkings1992]

Comparing apples to oranges 🤦‍♂️

[Smashingdoozy]

Yeah you're right. They're totally different which is why it's fucked up you would apologize for calling a female dog "he" but throw a fit over how confusing it is when you misgender a human.

[friendzoned4life]

I'm not getting called dogphobic for not wanting to fuck a dog 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Honesttguy]

@friendzoned4life i like that :D

[Smashingdoozy]

Wow congrats you missed the point entirely?

[Anonymous]

"For all of you guys going anonymous and writing down transphobic things, if you believe this things why are you so scared for people to see the real you, you clearly have balls to come on here and say rude things have the balls to go public"

It does not work that way you stupid fuck. You are not entitled to know who we are you little fuck, and I have more than enough balls to say that. It has nothing to do with being public or private, and you just have to deal with that.
Its not "transphobic" none of us are afraid of them, we hold them in revulsion because they are perverse mentally fucked people with sick and unnatural desires. Its no different than being opposed to murder, its not a "phobia" you lying cock sucker, its holding something in extreme disdain.
Now do us all a favor and shut your filthy little cock sucking mouth you sick fuck.

[SlightlyEccentric]

Because I'm not going to humor your mental disorder. Don't like it? Suck my balls.

[SmokinAces2000]

Real mature answer for a 31 year old

[SlightlyEccentric]

Don't give a shit

[SmokinAces2000]

Clearly

[ToastyOats]

31 year old people grew up before their were trans people.

[SmokinAces2000]

Lol there were trans people in the 60s and 70s they just weren’t as excepted

[ToastyOats]

Its not a good idea for transsexuals to be in the public eye, period. Its not a healthy lifestyle and there will never be a safe way to actually change the gender post conception. You are an evil twisted being for encouraging and normalizing a mental disorder. It is child abuse to even expose children to the possibility. You are a pedophile and fundamentally unlikable. You will never gain the repect of more than 1% percent of the worlds people and your really just lucky you live in a country where dont have to hide your perversions. Am I clear?

[SmokinAces2000]

😂 “no you are not clear” 😂. So I guess you don’t think conversion therapy is evil or child abuse do you. And when is the last time you heard a story about a trans person commuting pedophilia, because statistically speaking cis gender white men who identify as straight commit the most pedophilia in America so stop it with the baseless accusations and immature dialogue

[Uptowngirl88]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🤣🤣🤣

[cth96190]

Because people who have the intellectual capacity to think for themselves refuse to be compelled to pander to the mental illness of someone who has gender dysphoria.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Thank you ma'am for your brave stance here today.

[Babygirlsweetheart1]

Actually i try to avoid referring to them atall and avoid them as much as possible. I dont want to deal with nonsense and stupidity in my life.

[SlavBoi]

If you don't want to be the 6th idiot, don't walk into a room with 5 idiots already in. Fantastic point of view.

[DiscomfortZone]

Well, I don't condone but I do understand. They feel using the correct pronouns would be validating the trans identity, and they couldn't do that because they are pathetic oxygen-wasting filth whose only actual achievement will be to cause shame and embarrassment to their offspring.