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I live with a trans guy. I knew him as a girl and I still fumble some times. It's never intentional in a way to piss him off. I used it as a joke when he would wine like a girl about things like when he sees a spider he jumps up like he's a girl still. I've talked about it with him he doesn't take offense but that's just our relationship as friends.
Probably because they're trying to make it a legal offence to not use whatever pronouns they come up with.
2. If a trans person gets butthurt over pronouns, they have no business leaving their home. Maybe people would have more respect for them if they didn't start crying over such nonsense
Respect and civility and two different things. Respect is earned, not given. Just because you're a human, doesn't mean you automatically deserve respect. You earn respect by being respectable. That being said, you have the free choice to live your life as you please. The other person also has three free choice to believe what they want and has the freedom of speech to address you as they see fit.
If you have to alter your way of thinking for anyone that can be offended by what you say you end up silent forever
I Will respect a trans person that picked between male and female and say sorry if I saw it wrong but that is where I draw the line
Why do we have to purposely call them by their preferred pronoun? A lot of us unintentionally don't do it and it requires a lot of conscious effort to actually call you by your preferred pronoun because we have been calling males a he and females as she for millions of millenniums.
It depends on how well they pass. If a 6’5 280 pound dude puts on a dress and a wig and says he’s trans I’m still saying he. But like Ellen page looks like a dude fr now so I have no problem saying him. I’m not finna think too hard about it
Because that's who they are.. why should we have to adapt to people with an identity disorder when they can't just seek therapy.
So if someone were to change their name a long time ago and someone found out and started calling them by their old name that would be ok to you because “that’s who they are”
There's nothing to debate here. Biology speaks for its self.
@SmokinAces2000 Your example is invalid because people can have any name that is given to them (by themselves or by someone else) but a pronoun has the purpose of describing someone's biology. A man is called a man because he has the inherent biologial characteristics that describe a male (male reproductive organs and the ability to produce sperm that can fertilize a female human).
For example, a guy named John from birth may change his name to Ken meaning he is now Ken; there is no inherent quality of being John or Ken so changing name isn't a problem. However, a "chair" will always be a chair regardless of whether we decide to call it a "donut" or not, because a chair is something built to be sat on. For this reason, someone can't claim to change their pronouns because they will always be male or female by definition (males are born with male reproductive organs and females are born with female reproductive organs).
@Shoichiro 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
In conclusion to my point, what you are calling their "old pronouns" is their only pronoun because it is not possible to become a male after being a female as every cell in their body is still male (XY chromosomes in DNA), they have just attached a foreign object to their body.
@Shoichiro 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍
That dude is getting hard truths
I’m not trying to be a smartass but if someone is using a pronoun correctly, then the object of the conversation should not be present in the conversation. Basically someone would have to “leak” the conversation to the object of the conversation in order to be offended. The issue with pronouns is not whether or not we’re respecting the person but it’s a matter of being mandated to use certain words when we’re supposed to be protected by the first amendment.
So you feel as though people should be able to harass trans people out in public because of the first amendment smh
That’s not what I said. You know that. Why is it that you immediately start attacking me just for disagreeing with your point of view? What you’re actually suggesting is that everyone else change the way they speak so you can feel better and if they don’t change the way they speak, then they will be punished. That attitude is evident in your response. You don’t even have the decency to respect my point of view without attacking me but you demand that I respect yours without daring to question why.
I don’t attack you I’m simply saying that you say we are supposed to be protected under the first amendment, so if a person wanted to follow a trans person yelling slurs at them that’s would technically be free speech so do you think that should be protected under free speech
Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t make them a “transphobe”. If the first amendment is a problem for you, how much better are transgender people treated in countries where speech is controlled? I don’t see pride parades in Iran, China, or Russia. People in these countries are routinely executed while you whine and complain that someone used a word you don’t like when they were talking about you.
I never said you were a transphobe and I personally just feel like the first amendment has been abused by people who just feel entitled to say whatever they want to say to anyone without repercussions, now in this instance yeah technically you have the right to call someone something they don’t like but why would you hide behind an amendment to excuse being rude to someone
For the record, I don’t think it’s okay to harass anyone the way you described earlier. However, have you considered what the end game of this pronoun debate is? Controlling speech is starting to happen already where this pronoun debate is simply to method to get people to comply. This is simply being used (and the LGBT are being used as political pawns) to usher in a Marxist form of government. Look at what countries are doing this already - Iran, China, and Russia are the big ones who don’t allow free speech. Now why don’t you see Pride Month in any of these countries? Is controlling other people’s speech going to actually make you more free?
No offense but I feel like it’s kinda arrogant for you to say that people are trying to control your speech asking someone to call someone else by their respective pronouns is not controlling speech it’s just asking to be respected, now if someone wants you to call them zebborp or something like that it’s different
Well, it may come off as arrogant but this is not that different from totalitarian takeovers in the past. Create meaningless divisions, have the two fight over something meaningless, then sneak into power and oppress both sides is how a lot of totalitarian regimes start. There really isn’t that much of a difference between you and I and there’s no reason we can’t coexist.
Yeah I see your point the government is trying to screw people over and have been for decades
What are you referring to?
Being transgender needs to be communicated to anyone you might date since it effectively means you cannot conceive children - and to expect someone to be happily misled into loving you 'for you' when they want biological offspring is selfish.
Apart from that, there isn't any trouble with anything else (as long as it is consentual)
Deserve "respect" for what? Your mental illness prognoses?
You don't deserve to be beaten or threatened. But don't try and claim you're "the same" as me just because you've paid your therapist to convince you that you are.
For the same reason trans people can be cunts.
Anyone can be a cunt, and sometimes being a cunt is justified, if someone else is being a cunt with no justification.
So, a PHD is bullshitery field demands to be referred as a doctor, a lot of people will purposefully refer to that person in demeaning ways, because, why not?
This can be a reason.
Another reason is that the purpose is imputed, not real.
Another reason is the person is being a dick on purpose.
To piss them off ofc. Its why u call girls bitch or guy wanker, lazy cunt. Stable people would not get upset. Its a way to test mental stability and chillness of person
Will they piss off with making everything about them I Just wanna see a tv show without COMMUNISTIC IDEOLOGY
I have no problem with actual trans or gay People but I have a problem with the
Lgtbt attention seeker rainbow flag community wich claims there are infinite genders
@friendzoned4life yeap that victim mentally is super annoying
Yep, the real gays and trans People have fought for rights since the 60's and gotten them now only the attention seekers a screaming out
It is not my responsibility to cater to someone else’s emotional needs. My rights do not end where your feelings begin. In the last year I’ve been called racist or privileged just for being white, been called delusional for being Christian, etc etc I've been called things much worse than the “wrong” pronoun.
They can just deal with it. The world doesn’t owe you just because you’re a guy thinking your a woman etc.
They are entitled children. Those trannies.
Because whether the trans like it or. not, factually you will always be the gender you was born as, so even if you now look female, factually and biologically he is still male
I'm not gonna call someone a moon jus because they wanna be called one... I will call one what they actually are and the gender they was born with
There's too many pronouns now, it's hard to tell... some of which I can't even spell.
I don't mind people being trans, or whatever alphabet they are, but I believe we should keep pronouns simple.
Ignorance my cousin in trans goes my no pronoun doesn't think he or she so I respect that and live them for them
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Because humans generally tend to describe what they see with words. So they tend to choose the pronouns they see fit the most.
If you're a man, I'll call you he, it's that simple. You can pretend whatever you want, but that's all it will be, pretend.
Because you can't change your gender and calling someone a "she" when they are a "he" or vise versa denies objective truth, which harms both society and the individual in question.
Because there are only males, females and the odd mutation of hermaphrodites. It's called biology. Just because some people are mentally ill to an extent that they can deal with reality doesn't mean I have to give in to their delusions.
One of the most common reasons is them asking unreasonable pronouns that would make you align with a seggregationist ideology if you use them. Another would be people disagreeing with their decision.
Because they're hypocritical assholes. They won't hesistate to apologize and correct themselves when they call your dog the wrong pronouns, but when it comes to people, they act like it's a crime to respect anyone.
Because they don't see it as true. So every time they use the preferred pronoun they'd feel like they're lying to themselves. Having to say something you don't believe to be true is often frustrating for most people.
But that really doesn’t justify anything. It’s simple you don’t have to believe in anything just call people what they want to be called and that’s it. Now if it’s an accident or something alright no big deal but if someone is purposely going out of their way to call someone something that they know that person doesn’t want to be called that’s highly disrespectful and unnecessary
It's disrespectful to expect someone to say something they believe to be false just because it makes you feel better.
It's a bit like forcing a Muslim to say "under God" instead of "under Allah" for the pledge of allegiance.
It’s nothing like that 😂 it’s not hurting someone to call someone what they want to be called and like I said 100 times you don’t have to believe in something to respect it and people deserve respect. A trans person can be the nicest person in the world but people will still hate them and disrespect them because they don’t agree with them
It doesn't hurt to be called something you're not either. You don't have to believe it to respect it, but people still hate and disrespect people because they don't want to say something that they don't believe is true.
I don't believe your name is neeeeeeeko I'm going to call you Bob from now on. How's it going bob.
The difference is you don't actually believe that so it doesn't cause any conflicts with your knowledge so there's no frustration either way.
But you realize it sounds stupid right? You're seriously going to look at someone and say to their face "hmm? You said she/her no I don't think so I believe you are he/him"
You really can't see how that could be damaging? You're willing to fuck with someone's mental health, cause someone else pain because of your own closed minded issues?
Also... by this logic im going to guess you'll never tell your kids about Santa or the Easter bunny?
@Smashingdoozy Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness (any Scientist and any Doctor will tell people this) and a lot of people have de-transitioned so transitioning isn't the issue and what would cause more confusion is calling a guy by she/hey and calling a woman by he/him
@Smashingdoozy also it's not close mindedness, lies cause harm
Ohhh I'm gonna need some evidence behind that claim.
Looks like that number is 8% which is Waaaaaaaay less than the 92% who didn't.
Woah I totally didn't know that gender dysphoria was a mental illness. 🤦🏻♀️ Silly me must have missed that lesson in my psychology class. No shit Sherlock, what's your point there?
Did you know not all trans people suffer from gender dysphoria? Or have you not got that far in you "research".
@Ez-Bri-Z Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness and there's plenty articles about it and peer reviewed ones
@Smashingdoozy I know not all suffer from it but most do, my point is that I'm not going to contribute to making it worst
You're not going to contribute to gender dysphoria by misgendering someone? How does that make any sense 🤦🏻♀️
No no, I meant your claim about detransitioners. I'm also willing to bet a bag of Hershey's kisses that within that 8% a not insignificant portion of that was due to lack of support in their social circles or threat of violence against them.
Point is, it's easy for us to judge those we don't understand. Its easy to take a moral high ground and preach upon high about immorality. Trust me, I've heard it enough just from being a lesbian.
You know what is even easier to do? Don't be a prick. You could literally be deciding someone's life just by taking a second to use their preferred pronoun. That's huge.
@Smashingdoozy calling a guy she/her and a woman he/him does add to the confusion also there's no thing as misgendering there's only two genders and even Biology proves this
@Ez-Bri-Z I'm not a p word but I'm not going to go against my faith also true I don't know what Gender Dysphoria is like I've never had it but I know better than to add to it also there's a few vids about it on Bitchute and a few articles also some people do put pressure on others to de-transition
You're saying you don't want to make gender dysphoria worse... Clearly you don't understand gender dysphoria because calling a trans woman he/him would make it worse. Yes there is such a thing as misgendering, if I refer to you as he/him then I would be misgendering you 🤦🏻♀️
Gender and sex are different gender is not biology. Science, dictionaries and psychology agrees with this.
Well that got derailed fast and y'all completely missed the point lol 😂
Well, I would like to know your thoughts on what I asked about lying to your children about things like Santa and the Easter bunny or are some lies ok in your book vs others?
Madison193 you just keep saying the same things do you have any more facts or things to say because it seems to me that you are just talking in circles
I personally don't want to lie to my children about it when or if it comes to it. I'm not really sure how I would go about it though.
That being said I feel like there's a difference in lying because you want to and "lying" because society expects you to. The first doesn't cause frustration, the second does.
I kinda feel like society expects me to lie to my children about these things, but I personally want to be open and honest with my children about any topic. I'll definitely do my best to make sure they have fun though.
Either way, I don't really care for pronouns and I call people by whatever they prefer to be called. It's just a label and it's not my business.
What if your children turn out to be transgender?
Then I'll refer to them by the pronouns they prefer.
Then do that with everyone you meet.
I already do
@Smashingdoozy I'm not going to add to the confusion and I do know how it works also I am a woman just because if I put man's clothes on and try to look like a man I'm not a man I'm still a woman also according to the dictionary the word sex has two meanings 1. the act of reproduction and 2. gender also Biology proves there's only two genders (and if a baby is born Intersex only one of the genitals will work and whichever one works is what gender the Intersex baby is)
@Ez-Bri-Z I don't celebrate Christmas or Easter they are pagan holidays and one of the 10 commandments is thou shall not lie
@SmokinAces2000 I'm actually done talking tbh
Alright great 👍
@madison193 the way you are talking says you don't actually... You are very uneducated and need to read up. Call people by their preferred pronouns, it's not hard and by doing so you are not adding to their gender dysmorphia.
I was speaking to neeko about the holiday thing, but thank you for your input there.
@Smashingdoozy I'm not uneducated and I'm not adding to Gender Dysphoria and I'm not gonna lie and call a guy a she/her or a girl a he/him, I'm Christian and one of the 10 commandments is thou shalt not lie
@Ez-Bri-Z I wasn't sure you were talking to about the holiday thing, I thought you were talking to Neeko but I wasn't sure and I was just saying
Another person using their religion to justify shitty behavior. How surprising.
@Smashingdoozy it's not crappy behavior I follow God and He is real and there will be a judgment day, my job as a Christian is to spread the gospel and Jesus said if someone didn't want to hear it then move onto the next person
Madison193 you are really going to live your live through a book and a being that you don’t really know exists. I believe in God too but I’m not going to live my whole life spreading “his word” and I’m not going to pretend like I know for a fact that he’s real
No it is crappy behavior. You can believe whatever you want to believe but you have no right to force your beliefs, your religion onto other people. Nobody has to follow the rules of YOUR religion.
Again you are uneducated on gender dysphoria and it's obvious. Calling someone who identifies as a woman (using she/her) he/him would be lying. You can't tell me you'd be checking a person's genitalia before using their pronouns because that is just plain disrespectful.
@Smokinaces200 you claim to be Christian but also claim not to spread His word, spreading the gospel is part of being a Christian also there's historical evidence for the things that happened in the Bible like the plagues in Egypt for one example
@Smashindoozy spreading the gospel isn't forcing religion, it's just telling about what how Jesus died for our sins and he even said if someone didn't want to hear it then move onto the next person also it's not crappy behavior I'm not going to lie and call a man she/her or a woman he/him also I'm not looking at anyone's private part also calling a man who identifies as a woman and calling that person she/her would be lying, using he/him in that situation though wouldn't be lying also Biology proves there's only 2 genders and if a baby is born Intersex only one of the genitals will work and whichever one works is what gender the Intersex baby is (also there is facial structure and bone structure and hormonal differences in men and women) and I do know what Gender Dysphoria is, it's when someone believes they were born in the wrong body
Science says gender is separate from sex so anyways, right here's a test tell me the pronouns you would use for these people.
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@Smashingdoozy not from what I've been thought and all the dictionaries I've read shows that sex has two definitions 1. the act of reproduction and 2. gender
@Smashingdoozy I'm gonna look at those pics real quick (also I saw a YouTuber one time who I thought was a man until I saw her FTM playlist)
@Smashingdoozy I might be wrong but I think all those pictures are actually Biological Males (with the middle picture being a man transitioned into a woman)
I don't know suggest looking at the dictionary again then. maybe read some peer reviewed studies.
You are incorrect. Guess you can't tell a person's sex by looking at them. Funny that considering a person's sex is chromosomes which you cannot see.
Eh... not to be that girl, but biology proves 2 sexes not genders and intersexed isn't clear cut really. A lot of times it is just sort of left up to the parents and they could be wrong.
As for the "lie" part of it. May I counter argue that the words we use today were created by man and have modified heavily through the years. So in reality, you aren't lying by saying her for a transwoman and he for a transman. If that doesn't work, you can also use they/them which satisfies your thoughts of lying while delicately moving around around their preferred gender.
@ez-bri-z ugh but they/them is SO confusing and I definitely didn't pay attention in school past the 2nd grade so I think they/them is only a plural 🙄🙄 *sarcasm*
Lol I always do laugh when someone uses that in an argument and then I have to play elementary school teacher and literally build sentences for them.
Madison193 I never said I was Christian I simply said I believe in God you made that assumption I’m religiously homeless I don’t belong to a religion I just believe that there is a god but I don’t believe in organized religion it’s toxic in my opinion
Y'all are kinda cute
Awww, no u! 😊
@SmokinAces2000 you spelt God with a capital G so I assumed you believe in the God of the Bible also I'm non-denominational
Thats just basic grammar. It's a name... Names are capitalized...
Yep ^
For example:
"I prayed to God last night for guidance in how to be the best mother I can be in this difficult time."
Vs
"I am not sure which god is the right one for me, but I think I am going to eliminate Zeus as a possibility."
Madison193 what does me capitalizing God have to do with being a Christian, Christians aren’t the only religions and how do you know which God I was talking about
@SmokinAces200 God in the Bible is spelt with a capital G and people who are Christians believe in that God and ik Christianity isn't the only religion, I actually had to look up what I was one time and found out I was an Agnostic at that point in my life
@SmokinAces2000 read the message above I meant to @ you the first time Lol!
"The name or title of any specific deity is capitalized just like any other name, so when “God” is used to refer to “the one God” (in other words, in any monotheistic religion), it is capitalized."
So I'm trying to learn Python, it's a pretty interesting adventure so far.
@Smashingdoozy the Bible speaks of God and gods and false gods are spelt with a lowercase g but yeah, Buddha and Shiva etc. The first letter of all of those are capitalized
Yes because God when referring to the christian God is a name like Buddha.
@Smashingdoozy God is different from Buddha and God's name in Hebrew is Yahweh
God is pretty sexy ngl
@neeeeeeeko Lol, I feel kinda bad for laughing at that but no one has seen His face, Moses claimed to see His back and according to God if anyone were to see His face that person would die 💀
Yeah his face is a true 0/10 but the rest of him is 10/10. Just gotta but a bag over his head
@neeeeeeeko Lol, I disagree no one can see His face cus of how glorious it is, maybe some will see it when they make it to Heaven
Nah he's ugly, that's why everyone dies when they look at him. I wonder what happens if he looks at himself in a mirror.
@neeeeeeeko Lol, nah also where you getting these comebacks from? Also I don't know if there's mirrors in Heaven also God isn't just physical, He's spiritual, He's immortal
So does that mean his physical body dies when he sees himself? And I don't have any comebacks
@neeeeeeeko no Lol and what you just did now and before was comebacks
Oh, then I guess I get them by typing. Do you think God has a big dick? 🤔
@neeeeeeeko Lol! Also no God has no need to have intercourse, I believe He lacks a penis
Because 1 small group of people isn’t going to dictate the pronouns we the rest use. They want to fell accepted yet they don’t accept themselves how they are. They can have all the reassignment surgeries they want but no matter what they will always be the sex they were born.
Because they don't respect it... you answered your own question... It's like trying to convince a flat earther that earth is a globe...
Because getting things like that right is not that important. And this is provable.
You see, most trans people don't care that much about getting such trivial things right. Otherwise, out of their wish for equality, when they claim gender reveals are outdated, we MUST ensure that this includes the moment a trans person reveals their gender. And if we don't have to get things right and include that moment, then people vertainly don't have to get their gender rights either.
Just address a person you’re talking to by name, or use the second person “you.”
Very well expressed, kudos to you but sadly there are imbeciles in the world
Rudeness is the main reason. Someone can disagree without being a jerk.
Because they're ignorant, hateful reactionaries and are trying to provoke.
I call someone by the name I know them by. The people I know who have transitioned prefer I call them by the name I knew them by.
I love how 90% of comments fail to realise the title is rhetorical and OP isn't really investigating into why people are being transphobic. IQ levels are below 10.
I've always had the you do you don't rub it in everyone's face mentality. What you do is your choice. If it doesn't affect my life I'm not concerned about it.
What they do with their lives is fine; once they start to try to impose they crossed a line.
Most of the times it seems to be an act of attention seeking
Not using peoples preferred pronouns *
I don't support calling someone "they/them." It's like as if they want to be referred to as an object when in fact they're human (pun intended.)
Yeah. But that's what this person wants TRY to be POLITE. That's all that's about. If you forget or you don't like it, excuse yourself. Do it in theirpresence. I think it's excessive too, but it's a courtesy. Remember how people fussed over MS? It's completely accepted today. It'll be that way for gender some day too.
Mostly, because they're self-important, ignorant, assholes that have no feelings for ANYONE ELSE in the world!
Because they are the same gender they were before.
They are entitled to have their own fantasy that they changed genders. But they are not entitled to require me to participate in that fantasy.
Force of habit. We've had a few hundred years of established grammar. Now I must pretend singular is plural. I must. Or I'm a bigot... I don't understand.
I'm a human too. Respect my lifestyle to be anti-trans.
Haha ye respect my feelings like hating and angry
If I said I identified as a cat, would you agree to call me Mr. Whiskers and pretend that I'm actually a cat?
No because cats don’t have a place in human society
I will call you Mrs Whiskers if you want.
"No because cats don’t have a place in human society" And that is a decision, based on your personal values, that you made all by yourself and without consulting me or giving any regard to my feelings.
Some people feel that transgenders don’t have a place in human society. You may disagree with that but it is a decision, based on their personal values, that they made all by themselves and without consulting you or giving any regard to your feelings.
No response. That is what I thought would happen.
😂 I just now saw your reply and someone saying a trans person isn’t a human is transphobic vs someone saying a cat isn’t a human which is the whole world 😂 you can’t compare a person transitioning between genders and someone saying they are a cat that’s like comparing apples and footballs 😂
You get to make that distinction and the test of us MUST accept it? No, to many of us, you are just as much a nut.
When did I say you had to accept it in fact I said you don’t, I don’t know but I’m sure a lot of trans people don’t care if you accept them they care if you respect them. I don’t agree with a lot of shit but I respect people who might agree with those things depending on if they are respectful to me so maybe if you opened your mind instead of being a close minded asshole you would have a better life because I tell you one day somethings gonna give people change every day so the question is are you going to live your life with hate or are you going to respect others that you don’t agree with. The world doesn’t run on agreeing it runs on respect
And in your opinion, respecting you requires me to believe that you are female when you are not. Now you are defining what respect means for me.
Know you don’t have to believe I something to call someone what they want to be called. I have a scenario, let’s say you had a co worker or something that you highly respected and you found out that they were trans. You have been using him and he pronouns for months, would you start calling them she and her
Yes. I would.
Seems like a dick move to switch like that
@Ez-Bri-Z Seems fraudulent to pretend that you are a girl if you're really a guy, but that's just a matter of perspective.
Well, in his example he wasn't pretending to be a guy, he was born female but is now male. You'd literally have to go out of your way to switch pronouns just to be an ass
@Ez-Bri-Z But that's the issue. She ISN'T now a male. She is a female who has had some surgery to look like a male, but that doesn't make it so and many of us think it is ridiculous to pretend otherwise. If you what to disagree, that's fine, but I am not calling a boy "she." In my mind, it would be as ridiculous as expecting someone to call me a cat just because that's what I want to be.
I mean, you do you boo, but in the workplace it can get you fired for making it a hostile environment.
@Ez-Bri-Z I'm not concerned about that.
If a MTF transgender is a female in all respects, no different from any other female, why is there such a fuss about those MTFs competing in women's athletics? How is it that they are breaking previously established female records routinely? Simple answer: they are not really female.
And I am not doing anything transgender, so please call me Mister Whiskers! :) :) :)
I'll call you uhhh... Garfield. that's the best I can do for you.
Also, ironically, if they let teens go on hormone blockers until they are old enough to start transition they wouldn't have all those advantages you talk about.
People get all freaked out about teens have sexual reassignment surgeries and that's not what it is about. It's stopping puberty so that they can go through one closer to their identified gender
@Ez-Bri-Z I had a male cat that I named Catface. You can call me Catface, Jr.
Mister Catface Whiskers Jr, esq.
@Ez-Bri-Z That will do nicely!
Than I guess you are just a rude person than
Perhaps in your opinion, and you have the right to hold that opinion. And you suffer from a mental illness. . . in my opinion.
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/difference-between-sex-and-gender
I will not call a male person she. I will not call a female person he. I will not call a person they, it, or whatever else ridiculous thing come with. There’s just men or women, boys or girls, he or she. Don’t like it? Sorry not sorry.
Strong stance there ma'am, my question is then how does this sentence work?
There is a new kid in class, but I don't know what school they are from.
@Ez-Bri-Z Oh that’s cute calling me ma’am. You’re so funny
@Ez-Bri-Z
He says it a bit harsh maybe but to be honest the People that wanna be called anything else than he/him or she/her have created the hate themselves.
Just like BLM did
They claim to want to be treated equally but then do everything to force their beliefs in too society and demand respect while attacking anyone that has other beliefs. I Personally draw the line when someone doesn't feel like a man or woman. We can't all adapt to a small percentage of the world.
Of course actual trans, gay , bi and lesbian People should be getting respect a lot. The lgbtq community activist group with there rainbow flags are forcing those rainbows in to everything and making People that can not separate those attention seekers from the actual lgbtq People hate them.
The dad and brother of my best buddy are gay , my brother is BI and my sister is lesbian have respect for all of them.
They are Just living their lifes but I am really sick and tired of that rainbow flag. Especially here in the Netherlands where the first gay marriage ever has been.
Those rainbow flag People make their sexuality their entire Personality.
We can treat them as equals all they have to do is live their lifes and stop pushing that rainbow flag in everything
It ruined the Euro's together with the BLM bullshit.
If you want respect earn it don't keep nagging on places where People are trying to escape life for a while.
I also don't believe that real gay/bi/trans People are part of the rainbow flag group. Cause all that group is doing is setting gay acceptence in reverse while it was on a not so. quick but great path to be accepted in every western country.
@Ez-Bri-Z the People that have fought for your right to marry their work is being undone by the pushing of the People with that rainbow flag.
I can separate those rainbow People from the ones with the actual lgbt Personalitys but a lot can't.
No. I have no problem if you don't want to support it, but when you come on here and actively try to tear down lgbt including those who are transgender that's where I get upset. Notice I didn't really go after the ones who just didn't agree. It's the ones who say "they can never be a different gender" who earn my scorn.
You know I respect the People Just wanted to point out why People are getting so hard and stubborn in this discussion
By your own argument, respect the decision Not to do that. After all, I don't think it's too much to ask for..
If someone believes they’re Jesus Christ, should you honor that, too?
If someone doesn’t believe that they are a racist should I just roll over and say yeah your right you aren’t a racist
@SmokinAces2000 lmao. You’re stuck on stupid. Here’s a newsflash for you…if you call me racist, guess what happens? Absolutely nothing.
And guess what if you call trans person by their preferred pronouns it doesn’t affect you imagine that 😲
Yes, but I’m not demanding you call me a racist, idiot. I won’t call a man in a wig a woman because he’s not a woman.
Okay you’re entitled to your opinion I guess I just think life is too short to not respect people because you don’t agree with them
It’s not respectful to indulge people’s mental illness. Just like it’s not respectful to give a cocaine addict an 8ball
If he has a pp , he is male. If she has a pp , she is a he.
Oh so you don’t support katelin Jenner
Bruce?
The problem with your theory ma'am is that even psychiatrists agree that gender nonconformity isn't a mental disorder
@Ez-Bri-Z only recently because we're in 🤡🌎
Ez-Bri-Z there is no use telling him republicans don’t believe in science in less it’s about someone being transgender
Nah, I won't lump sum all Republicans that way, but this guy i would believe that with.
@SmokinAces2000 you believe a man can be a woman and I’m the one who doesn’t believe in science? BAHAHAHAHA. 🤡
Joeldalton do you believe in climate change or evolution
Ez-Bri-Z it’s not lumping in that’s literally one of the main things that republicans believe in
@SmokinAces2000 of course I believe in evolution, dipshit. You really are like liberal retard 101 level. The climate changes all the time.
Oh wow I’m actually shocked you believe in evolution and climate change much be part of the minority of republicans
@SmokinAces2000 you’re shocked because you’re not very intelligent and learned everything you know about politics from Reddit and Huffington Post. You don’t actually think about the positions you hold or that other people hold. You have the understating of the world on the level with a toddler.
Naw I look at many sources and I don’t use regular search engines that just bring up what they think I want to see so in a debate everything I say is non biased, just things I’ve searched up for myself on a variety of different websites and articles
Lmao, sure you have. Then why do you sound like every other liberal idiot NPC?
^this is why I don't lump sum. Sometimes they pay attention. I will say though, that Joel is still wrong on sex vs gender.
Also...888 is an idiot either way.
@Ez-Bri-Z If I was wrong, guys who believe they’re the wrong gender wouldn’t ONLY pick “girl”. Since you think there’s infinite genders. They wouldn’t get tits, fake vaginas, feminization surgery, girl names, etc. They take female hormones, not gender #1343 hormones.
Uh.. so you mean like nonbinary and gender fluid then?
@Ez-Bri-Z no, those are more made up mental illnesses for attention.
Joeldalton why do you do much hate in your heart who hurt you in the past to make you this way smh
Speaking the truth isn’t hate. Sorry you feel that way.
Well you seem very hateful to me
Make up your mind. You said why would Amab individuals only pick girl. I give you examples and you say no that doesn't count.
@Ez-Bri-Z They only pick girl because there’s 2 genders. Not infinite. Not more than 2.
There is not just 2 sexes let alone genders. You can be intersex for example. Gender is a social construct. You don't have to agree with it and im not forcing you to even if it is correct. Im just saying don't come on here saying they can't identify as their correct gender just because you get icked out by it.
Personally, I like that some countries to even identify gender in their language. That would be a hell of a lot easier but this country pointlessly genders everything.
Which by the way, nobody bats an eye when people gender a car or even their own genitals, but a person trying to do it sends everyone into a damn hissyfit.
@Ez-Bri-Z Intersex is an anomaly and due to a genetic error when a fetus is formed, not an alternative configuration. Gender is not a social construct. Evolutionary biologists disagree with you.
I'm not linking all the stuff I already did elsewhere on this thread. There are links to the dictionary, psychiatrists and the world health organization saying your are incorrect
I try and call people by their name. Because i refuse to let others dictate my lexicon
Thanks for the tip in case i have to deal with these people in future.
Because humans are wired to be able to tell a man from a woman.
You are right. There's really no obligation to talk with them.
Yep thats how i see it as well, i dont really want to talk to them about anything. If im working at cashier i go hello how can i help thank you see again done. Job is job, my own time is mine i still have right to remain silent :D
If thats the biggest problem you face during your day. You live a very sheltered life.
Who said that was the biggest problem this site is for asking questions and I asked a question
Ok lemme rephrase this. I don't care what you wanna pretend to be. If you look like a he you get called a he. If you look like a she you get called a she. If you look like a fuckin asshole you get called a fuckin asshole.
And if that triggers you lemme give you 7 magic words. Shut up, I don't care, fuck you
Yeah you sound like such an educated person brava good job 👍 🙄
See above again for the 7 magic words
Oh I saw them I’m just congratulating you on your educational response I’m sure it took you an hour to look at a lot of different sources to find those facts
Yeah like that lady at WI spa in L. A? "There's a man in the ladies area" "He had a penis!" Weird who knows.
How often are gender pronouns actually used when addressing a person? It's generally "you're", not his or her.
Because they’re transphobic
Yupp
Not really. People like reality. If you have black skin and you ask someone to call you white. They are going to look at you like your crazy. If you are born a certain gender nothing wrong with people not wanting to call you the other gender just because you don’t like your gender.
@Explorer91 gender is a social construct
I'll call you fucking Scott if I want to, I don't give a shit
@SmokinAces2000 Don't act stupid, you know damn well why I'm anonymous.
Do you have the balls to say anything that might piss of the other regurgitating doormats here?
I do know why you went anonymous because your a pussy that doesn’t want people to what an asshole he is
People already know what an asshole I am, I just don't want the attention from this. You're like almost everyone else, scared to hold an opinion of your own, so you adopt the opinion of others until yours holds no value. You're no brave young man on a barely populated site defending the honour of those giant children. You're just throwing it out there to get a pat on the back, it's pathetic.
Naw this an opinion of my own. I never claimed to be a brave man or a savior for transgender people I’m just a nice person that believes that people who give respect deserves respect and frankly you don’t deserve any respect. You don’t have to agree with everything. If everyone agreed with everything the world would have probably died out a long time ago. But if you respect people the world will be a lot better instead you rather be a dick and hate on people that you don’t even know
Go read a book
I read plenty everyday but thanks for the suggestion
Because gender isn't a choice you make. Gender is a choice the people around you make.
and just for the record: only because someone disagrees with your snowflake opinion doesn't mean they're anything phobic. they just have a valid opinion just like you have.
It because they disagree with them. They have the 1st Amendment Right to do so. Some of these people don't even look like women.
Most people get confused. I don't think they do it on purpose.
Yeah imagine looking at whats obviously an effeminate male and then being told that its actually thinks its a woman. Lmfao. I just avoid these nutcases at that point.
Have you ever thought that they just didn't even realise the person was trying to be a woman/man?
Well we are not born broken, we just grow to think we are because of someone's abuse
And what about those who come from loving homes?
You can love someone and unknowingly abuse them. 85% of emotional abuse is done from a parent that loves their kids but unknowingly abuses them. So much what people call normal is Infact abuse.
Mmmm... gonna need a source on that as well as examples.
Mayo clinic, world health organization, CAMH, children's aid society, family children service's. Want me to keep going?
Great organizations all of them.
I just need that article showing that statistic because my searches didn't return anything of the sort and im hoping you can help me out.
I definitely reviewed articles on child abuse but nothing giving that number. Wanna help a girl out?
Example in a loving home a parent might get mad and send the child to their room. Isolation punishment is emotional abuse. As well as treating one child better then another. There are tons of ways emotional abuse is done in loving homes
That number I got from an interview with a Dr working in a out patient clinic. He said the number is so high because so much what we consider normal is Infact abuse. Go on YouTube look up (the bomb in the brain) you will see a lot of facts and numbers as well in part 1
I can send you an article if you like. But how?
Copy paste it here?
Also, one random person unfortunately isn't going to be a solid statistic for me here, but I will look into the video.
A text document? Ok I will try and do it.
Cause if you have a dix... you are a dude... if you dont, you are a chix cause you have a vajaja.
So Michelle, by your logic once they have a sex change you will use their correct pronouns or will you move the bar on them again?
Nope... your sex is determined at birth.
Yep exactly! Gender is a social construct and can be fluid
Nope
I mean you can say nope but that doesn't make it true lmao
Sure can. Males have XY chromosomes and woman have XX - XY you have a dick , XX you have a vajaja. There is no "social construct". Taking hormones doesn't TRULY change you gender does it? NOPE.
Nor does surgery. You still have XY or XX.
*sigh* another one...
Sex is not gender. You are referring to sex chromosomes and even then there are at least 6 different combinations or at least those.
Gender on the other hand is a social construct.
Also... sexual reassignment surgery exist so they could xy chromosomes and also have a vagina. Your whole comment is just odd.
If we call an elephant's trunk a leg, how many legs does an elephant have?
I think 7
@friendzoned4life Not quite.
I Suck at mad tho 🤷🏻♂️
@friendzoned4life So it would seem.
But it is 5 ofcourse cause big Dick counts as extra leg
@friendzoned4life Still no.