School bullying serves a useful and important role in society. True or false?

[MCheetah]

Does bullying serve a useful purpose in society? I already know the answer to this question, but let's talk about it.

We've now gone 22 years now without any legitimate verbal school bullying in North American schools (no, "cyberbullying" doesn't count), and what kind of society do we have to show for it? Millennials, rude feminists, simps, and over-opinionated soy boys, all of which might have been useful, productive, respectful members of society had their egos and stupidity been kept in check. The most mentally weak and pathetic people in society have now grown up to become bullies themselves because no one gave them the good ass-kicking or reality check they deserved.

Keep in mind, this doesn't mean ALL people who are bullied "deserve it." Nor does this mean bullies are "the good guys." Some kids are truly innocent and get bullied for no reason. However, others are future-assholes waiting to happen, and bullying sometimes squashed their egos and made them play nice with others.

I just look at it as a natural balance to things. Like a forest fire getting rid of a few too many trees that are damaging the ecosystem. Or like death giving life meaning. Some "bad" things serve a purpose in life.

I don't know about you, but I don't think effeminate soy boys and obese feminists addressing other grown adults as if they can't get the sh*t slapped out of them right then and there, is "progress" in the world. I think too many "adults" in this day and age are rude-but-fragile little cupcakes, who never had to grow humility, empathy, or respect for others.

And yes, someone in high school DID try to bully me. But this was through my clinically depressed phase, and I pinned him against a locker and jammed my elbow into his throat and with unblinking eyes, threatened I'd follow him home and slit his throat in his sleep if he continued to f*ck with me. (I... Wasn't exactly "mentally stable" back then.) But I defended myself, is the point I'm making.

True, verbal bullying in school served a greater societal purpose and kept the social hierarchy balanced.

False, bullying is and always was a bad thing and should never be allowed!

Obligatory "other" option.

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For those who didn't read the description: I am not saying bullying is a "positive" thing. I am saying it serves a purpose for kids growing up and teaches many things: to grow thicker skin, to learn how to be independent, to learn how to defend yourself, to get you to stop being an asshole if you are one, and so on.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

1. I am not American. But it's absolutely impossible that you had no verbal bullying in your schools for the last 22 years. Literally impossible.

2. Being bullied would not prevent them to be soy boys and feminists. If anything it turns them into them. Why? Because they feel people are rotten. They feel society is rotten. So they want to change it.

3. The agressive assholes that one day end up in jail and beat their wife and kids are the kind of people who bully. When they do it early with no repercussions they often carry their actions to their old age. This is factual.

4. Bullied people more often that not are harmless. Not "assholes waiting to happen. But let's say they are. If the bullied people are assholes waiting to happen and need an ego check... who is doing it for the assholes that are doing the bullying?

5. The threat of having your face punched should not prevent you from expressing your ideas. No matter how wrong they are people must have free speech. Every should talk unafraid of being "the shit slapped out of them". Trust me they were probably bullied. They know that fear. They want to end it. They don't want to feel it anymore.

6. Yes I was bullied. I was the new guy in town and my classmates basically gang up on the new kid. I am not a soy boy or a feminist. But I can 100% sure say that the bullying didn't help me in literally anything.

[MCheetah]

I can respect your opinions. I'd like to address your points, though.

1. Bullying may indeed still happen, but it's largely been "outlawed" ever since Columbine happened in 1999. That was the first major school shooting in America. Ever since then, they've had a "zero tolerance" rule towards bullying. At least, in theory. In practice, yeah, it may still happen, but on a MUCH smaller level, like "cyberbullying".

2. Having known people like this in real life, and being a Millennial, all I can do is simply disagree to this claim. I grew up in Generation f*cking Millhouse; where the mentally weak and lazy have now become Twitter bullies and ANTIFA thugs. And it's super ironic, because they're among the least oppressed and most coddled people in society. They're overgrown toddlers, throwing temper tantrums. It was especially bad in 2015, when this sh*t was on college campuses, all across America.

3. Some bullies may be like this, yeah, but I never once said the bullies didn't deserve an ass-kicking themselves. Basically, think of Back To The Future. We're living in a day and age where there are no villains to inspire people to be better. (Unless you count Twitter, corporate scum, and politicians, that is.) What kind of movie, or life lesson, would Back To The Future be without a Biff Tannen?

[MCheetah]

4. Again, I disagree with you. As I said, the bully can totally be taught a lesson. But in a world without school bullies as teens, we gat adult bullies on social media. The types who never grew up and look to cancel you, well into their 30s, 40s, and beyond.

5. I never expressed people should get hit for expressing ideas. I'm talking about the types who talk sh*t, threaten to kick your ass, and threaten to kill you, and have gone their entire lives without someone putting them in their place; i. e, the soy pussies who were never given a chance to grow humility and respect in school, that I mentioned dominate social media, nowadays. Specifically, ANTIFA.

6. Sorry you were bullied and it traumatized you, but you seem to be a more stable person than others who weren't.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

1. Outlaw or not still happens. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you in the last 22 years had mass shootings by a kid that had enough. And multiple suicides of kids who couldn't take it anymore?

2. Don't you think that those you speak of believe the world to be rotten? Couldn't the way they were treated at school be the cause of that belief? People don't change. If they are weird now they were weird before. Weird kids get bullied.

3. There are no villains? Don't we see crime happen everyday? Murder? Pedophilia? Abuse? Corruption? And bullies? There are plenty of villains around.

4. Do you think that being bullied stops people from becoming social activists? People ingress in movements for a no number or reasons. To feel like they belong, to troll, because in their heads they actually think they are doing good, etc. Being abused as a young kid, wouldn't prevent those. My opinion. We can agree to disagree.

5. About this one... The people you describe here:
"types who talk sh*t, threaten to kick your ass, and threaten to kill you, and have gone their entire lives without someone putting them in their place"
Are the bullies. The bullies are the ones who abuse and never had anything of consequence happen. Not the bullied. Unless you want to make a case that the bullies grow up to be soy boys. They bullied people before and are doing the same now.

6. Thanks. Even if we don't agree in all fronts I am enjoying this conversation.

[MCheetah]

Hmmm... Interesting. I can see some of your points. For me, it seems more like a "chicken and the egg" thing, where there are two kinds of bullies: the big and strong ones who come from broken homes and probably just need a friend or someone to accept them (typical, "classic" bullies). And then the "Millennial Millhouse" types who are far-left male feminists, feminazis, and soy boys, who got too cocky being a little sh*t and never had anyone tell them to sit down and shut up.

Would I be inclined to believe that you think both are bad? Or only the "classic" bullies like the cartoon posted at the top of the page?

I guess my point of view before was that adult bullies are far worse and harder to "fix" than school bullies, and that most school bullies grow out of their phase or get put in their place by the "protagonist," where as adult bullies never do, making them worse in the long run. But you seem to be implying that the soy boys of today are just a new type of bully and that they were even bullying back in school, just on social media and not in the hallways. I guess BOTH can grow up to become soy boys and feminists, I suppose. Never thought about that.

I think the mass shooter, incel types need some more love in their lives, strong male role models, and maybe some basic boot camp. And that would fix their issue. But what would fix the issue of these arrogant, Buzzfeed and Kotaku writer, social media type manchildren bullies? They usually always grow up in privileged, two-parent, upper middle class households. If we could go back to their childhood and find the root cause of their sh*ttiness, what would you suggest would fix their issue, if it's not pushback from the general school population against their behavior?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

I think I get where you are coming from better now. So all this time you are talking about a very specific type of bully the "Millennial Millhouse". I never had to deal with the "Millennial Millhouse", but I understand what you are saying and we are on the same page I am sure they exist and make people's lives miserable. While taking pleasure with it. I wish then as bad as I wish to the conventional bully. In fact, both should have someone beat the shit out of them.

I also think adult bullies are harder to "fix". Both the "Millennial Millhouse" and the conventional bully can still do in adults what they did as teens. Ones behind their keyboard and the others at work or at a bar. Neither should expect to be taken seriously by others or have the arrogance or confidence of a real man. 100%.

Mass shooters and suicidals do need more love. Bullying many times is what drives them to do it. They really need love and the conventional bullies need to be stopped.
About the "Millennial Millhouse"... How to fix them? Well in one word, education. This is my take on it, but I believe that if they are taught how the real world works, not how they think it works from their social media woke groups, how it really works. In relationships, politics, etc they would stop spreading misguided ideas. But for that they need to be open minded, which I find difficult.

[MCheetah]

I guess I have nothing else to say, but you've really made me think about a few things. But yeah, I was talking about guys like Carl The Cuck and AIDS Skrillex who even the average woman can kick the ass of, but get all gully because they never had any consequences for being a loudmouth and try to hide in large groups like ANTIFA or BLM to avoid getting a long-overdue ass-kicking.

I also think you make an interesting point about what to do about them: They need one year cold-turkey, completely cut off from their parents house and money. They need to survive in the real world for a year, at an early age, like 17 or 18. Usually by the time they're in their 30s, they're already working at Marvel Comics, Star Trek Discovery, or some other woke-invested entertainment group as paid shills and corporate 50 Cent Armies (even if they're making minimum wage and live in an efficiency studio with two roommates as woke as they are). I think putting them in full-on survival mode in the real world would fix them, and possibly redeem their failed parents.

Also, as @hellionthesagereborn, maybe bullying is an extreme too far, but they certainly could use some social clapback. Not to the extreme of "Cancel Culture," but just everyone telling them to shut the f*ck up or something. So, you (and Hell; he's a smart fella), have kind of changed my view on the matter. Interesting! :D

[hellionthesagereborn]

The key to everything is moderation. Bullying is social enforcement taken to far. We need social enforcement to get our barings, figure out where we stand and if our thinking is correct (look at the SJW types, they have created an echo chamber where no one questions them or their behavior and as a result they keep getting crazier and crazier). However doing things differently is a means of producing new innovations and ideas, so to strict of social enforcement creates stagnation, to little and you have chaos. So its a balance between those two forces.

You do need some extremes however to produce a thicker skin as you have said. This is in fact why we have rough housing as kids, its a means of learning how to cope with physical confrontation in a safe manner, shit talking amongst men is also a means of dealing with social and psychological attacks and disappointments that life gives in a controlled enviroment. So a little bit is necessary to develop you. The best way of putting it is your clay, to little water and you dry out and crumble, to much and your basically a liquid and cannot be formed properly, you need just the right amount in order to shape yourself into something useful.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@hellionthesagereborn for that I would say that guys busting each others balls, provoking, making fun of each other, pranks but always coming from people who are your friends. Guys getting rough on each other is nothing new, that's how we interact, but ai wouldn't call that bullying.
Nothing good comes fr bullying. Last month in my country a kid got run over running from bullies. Thicker skin? More often that not leaves you with mental scars.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yes, because it enforces socially appropriate behavior. This is why powerful and famous people are usually crazy because they are surrounded by yes men who tell them everything they want to hear instead of everything they need to hear. Obviously it can go to far, but removing it entirely is also just as bad (potentially worse).

https://youtu.be/iy8SIWTyJNs

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

To be honest, I personally dislike bullying but it’s never going to disappear, it’s pretty much in our nature. There will always be differences among people which in between those differences are people who will pick on someone smaller or less confident than them to assert dominance which is either through physical, verbal or both.


Bullying whether people like it or not is a fundamental part of character building. It shouldn’t exist because it can traumatize people or cause them to fall into depression or worse. I tried to stand up for people but I’m not always there so it’s important for people to find inspiration to stand up for yourself. So I think it’s not going anywhere but as a society we should try to minimize it as much as possible which is a lesson on community and mental health meaning useful

[InfobotLives]

The truth is that it may make some people but it breaks too many others. A cynic would equate that to some survival of the fittest, natural selection, bullshit but that would be a huge over simplification. I would like to think that we have come past the idea that a good beating or verbal annihilation is the best way to get something positive out of someone. It isn't. It just perpetuates negative personality traits and psychological issues which carry on into later life. Half the violent criminals that you ever read about were bullied or abused as children. It wasn't the making of them.

[JosyJosy]

In my eyes the only purpose it serves is to let the school know the teachers need to step up their game. In my schools you'd have one or two teachers just walking around the playground during the breaks. If the playground isn't that large and still people manage to fight and finish them without teacher's stop to it, teachers what are you doing?

But I can see it. You as the victim will learn to grow a thick skin, learn that you won't always get along with people. You'll learn stand your ground if need be or you will learn to ignore it because, it's usually not worth it and even later in life people try to bully others for something stupid.

But not all kids are going to stand their ground and need help from others, and that isn't always available. Sometimes the victim's so down on his luck that the bullying will drive them into a depression or maybe even suicide :/

[FatherJack]

I taught myself how to fight back effectively as a result of being bullied , and later got involved in several combat sports , from TKD , boxing ( mainly British Army service , got a divisional trophy @ light heavyweight then ) and Muay Thai & neighboring Lethwei from Myanmar. Amateur only. I love savage verbal banter , sharpened during Army service , so insults never bother me. Similar to your incident , where you threatened to carve a bully up , I headbutted a repeat offender and smashed his nose open. Amazingly , we were friends later !!

[exitseven]

I'm sorry but I don't agree with that. I was bullied as well and it made me join a gym and lose weight and get in shape. Even to this day I am still affected by this and overcompensate because of it.

[MCheetah]

Would your life had been better if you didn't have those few brief years of bullying?

[exitseven]

yes I think so I am a little stunted because of it. I have trouble making friends and I have really serious anger issues. It is all because these kids made my life a living hell and the rest of them joined in because it was the cool thing to do.

[Stoner710]

Kinda both good and bad, It helps people become tougher later in life and not care what others says or get bullied as an adult. For kids it sucks and makes them feel bad so I’m the long run it a good thing short term no

[Frank_Woods]

I agree that we need people to be less entitled. I hate people who think that the world owes them something. I don't think the answer is bullying. I think the answer is good parenting, something society is lacking nowadays.

[Oigit]

C: they did help me learn to apply the boxing lessons my grandfather gave me and how effective twisting someone's adams apple is. Also help me learn that even sometimes the people you hate do deserve a act of kindness.

[RealMarek]

I don’t think the problem is lack of bullying as much as overemphasis on self-esteem without having to earn it, parents training children to be “assertive,” and a typical corporate culture that rewards assholes (meet many big-company executives?).

[JesseJayNeak]

Episodes of bullying are always bad but it's an inevitable experience which will either make you (you'll grow a thicker skin and take on your problems with bigger ease) or break you (depression, ED, suicidal thoughts or so on)

[TallAndNerdy]

Not really, yes it can toughen people up but 90% of time it just leaves people in a bad state

[lonestar_01]

Agreed. If the kid didn't do anything bar be quiet and look different also, and was physically and verbally assaulted it's either a good ground for depression, or breeds ground to psychopathic aggression and lack of control of emotions such as anger when provoked

[stateman]

So basically you mean to say that after going through the bullying you became the man? Am i right

[MCheetah]

What?

[stateman]

School bullying dose not serve a purpose (long story short )

[MCheetah]

Mind explaining why, instead of attempting to be 'snarky?'

[stateman]

( I hate doing this over message but ) if a warrior emerges from a war than that means wars are good no because it brings to much negativity with him the same with bullying if it helps some people it also pushes lot of people into the depression.
And so what there are soft people in the world we need more soft people than ever i guess.

[MCheetah]

"And so what there are soft people in the world? We need more soft people than ever I guess."

I'm guessing you've never had any real responsibility towards anything in life, have you?
Okay. I'll leave it here and move on. Thank you for your input.

[stateman]

I know the life is tough and responsibility are tougher but its your making what you make out of it os your choice.( Soory if it offend u somehow but thats my take )

[Chthou95]

There will be a suicide attempt from bullying or a mass shooting from bullying. Some people's mental health are jacked up & bullying would just make it worse

[888theGreat]

They become managers pushing people to work