What does it mean when the masks aren’t affective against the Delta variant of Covid? ?

[Stoner710]

So it seem that the masks are not very effective against the delta variant it’s seems to only work 30%50% of the time with the N95. Basically making the clothes mask worthless and the gators that people were wearing more dangerous.

it seems to me masks really didn’t work in the first place with the alpha variant the one that came from Europe and the delta variant is way way way less effective. So what if it turns out I right and masks are pretty much useless.

regardless if I’m wrong or not let say I’m correct in my analysis what do we do as a society.

do we:
lock down or
except that Covid is out there and go about our normal lives like we did in 2019

[blank_expression]

The basic sanity check is that given smoke molecules and aerosolized covid is on the same order of um, if you can smell a cigarette that mask isn’t doing a damn thing accept letting the dictators know you are easily to manipulate. Muslims used masks on slaves because they discovered that masks make them passive and it is why burkas are still used today. I accepted Covid before it was a thing and I caught it by forced travel to it. I caught it at its peak when it was ripe, most vicious, and I did suffer a bit from it, but nothing permanent. I sat back and watched this sanity unfold and knew it was a façade to an evil agenda because I knew by experience it was survivable and at a high rate. They are now inventing this variant and again they are doing it leading to the next election cycle and while the AZ, PA, GA… audits are surfacing to again distract from the possible CCP overthrow of the US government. It is time to grow up all, which have fear and just walk through this thing, otherwise be ready to accept a Tiananmen Square like lifestyle for eternity. The States and Convention of States will most likely have to act to have any hope of turning this CCP US invasion. They are planning to launch more bioweapons on us in conjunction with the dark US entities blackmailed and bought off. Take reasonable and rationale precautions but don’t let it alter your life to satisfy their agenda. Start growing a bit of bravery and make independent decisions without imposing it on others. Before you accept the jab, research the crap out of it across all types of outlets regardless of how much you may detest some and recognize the permanence of it and potential repercussions.

[MCheetah]

Delta variant of COVID is literally just the media trying to scare people. The "variant" is just one of many variants, but this means nothing. COVID is still COVID, and it's not that deadly of a virus to begin with.

As far as masks go, they're ONLY just to prevent you from touching your mouth or nose if you have traces of COVID on your hands. That's why washing your hands is more important. The masks are just a secondary prevention tactic to stop you from putting it into your mouth or nose. (Although really, if they wanted to go with that, we would wear glasses too, since you can still touch your eyes.)

Only an idiot would think COVID could be an airborne virus. If so, a cheap-ass mask from Walgreens isn't going to save you, and no one would be allowed to leave their houses, at any time. In the US and Europe, they only force the masks on people as a means of control. You don't have to listen to them, though. As this is all just an attempt to control the population, and masks are a secondary minor precaution at best.

The only other way masks could help is if someone had COVID and sneezed on you and maybe their spit got into your mouth or something.

In short, Delta is just media scare tactic BS, and masks do minimum to prevent COVID.

[Anonymous]

No more lock downs. We should just forget about Covid. Covid served it's purpose, and Trump is gone. Now it's time to move on with life. Besides, China is now building 3 more labs like the one in Wuhan. America isn't going to stop them, so there's no point in worrying about it.

[rcljr]

I see XiaoPing bidens faithful sheep are here.

[Aether1]

This is from the official CDC website.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group.

[rcljr]

www.theburningplatform.com/.../

[normalice]

Worthless means no worth whatsoever. 30% effective is not 0% and is thus not worthless. The goal is to get everyone either the vaccine or the virus - by the numbers in epidemiology there is no difference. Ideally it would all be the vaccine, which would mean almost no need for hospitalizations. But since some people want to be mulish about the vaccine we don't want them all getting COVID at once or we will quickly run out of hospital beds. Because once that happens the bodies really start to pile up. So even slowing the spread by 30% could prove substantial.

[Stoner710]

58% of the United States has gotten vaccinated, and the people who got Covid and lived also have immunity. At this point if someone get Covid and doesn’t get the vaccine it’s on them. Why should responsible people who got the vaccine suffer for 20%

[normalice]

Taking some small amount of responsibility for each other, even for those without common sense, is the only way civilization works. And wearing masks is indeed a small amount if responsibility.

[Stoner710]

It’s called freedom of expression goes along with free-speech. The government can I can tell you to wear a baseball cap just like the government cannot compel you to wear a mask. The constitution does not take a break just because there’s a pandemic. Or is the constitution worthless at this point?

[normalice]

It is an old paradox Manslow once went over. You can't worry about your freedoms when you're dead. You need people to be alive in order for them to have constitutional rights. I think the thing most worth analyzing is where the opposition is coming from. And that is it is entirely fabricated by the far right outrage machine. Their sole method of sustaining themselves is to make up dumb shit to get their listeners frothing mad about and then tell their listeners no one is listening to them.

But just because the anger is real doesn't mean the reasons for it are. I see it as no different from a draft. A government can steal your kids and send them to kill and die in a foreign country. Is that right? That's debatable. But it's legal. Drafting everyone with the sole duty of getting vaccinated and then discharging them would, thus, also fall within the scope of a government. Is that right? Again debatable. But the fact is this disease has been a deadlier enemy than any foreign nation has been. Calling it "expression" to resist it is just the fake outrage culture trying to justify itself.

[888theGreat]

1) if someone died it was meant to be. God called back your ticket.
2) Masks are useless and it says so on the box.
3) Two masks are useless and it just showed the dudes had no clue what to do
4) I think we now know the Vaccine apparently does not work because we are back to masks and shutdowns with 60% of population (if that is even true) has taken this poison.
5) The gov't always lies to its people because they know riots would take place if they told the truth. They would also not get reelected.

[lightbulb27]

we will discover that a "storm trooper" mask will work and well all be forced to wear them. how fun that be?

no idea, I suspect it helps a little and a little can count sometimes.

probably gonna have to get that shot. reality is... if they whipped this up in a lab, for whatever purpose, then they had to whip up something to counter it or ya keep dealing with it. This is how war is waged now, at least one of them, it's more accepted than launching explosives.

[jshm2]

You really seem to abuse the privilege of being stupid.

There is little structural difference in any coronavirus. But the purpose of masks is to filter the particles and droplets upon which virus particles can travel. They don't filter any virus in particular. Hence it's utter horseshit to suggest it's "less effective" against any variant.

[NorthwestRider]

I already got the vaccine so I do not need a freaking mask

[Stoner710]

So am I but they’re trying to get us to wear them again

[Darksign]

"Told you so"

[NorthwestRider]

Not sure why liberals want to save the anti vaxx idiots. They are not on the same side

[Darksign]

Pro vaxxers are gullible sheep. Can't believe people are falling for the covid bs. It's been planned and predicted from the beginning. No matter how many vaccines you get you will follow their orders and wear a muzzle. But not me

[joeldalton]

Masks haven’t been effective at all. They’re a sham. They’re safety theater to make the average shmoe feel like they’re helping stop the pandemic.

[rcljr]

They can cause respiratory distress, pneumonia and bronchitis. I’ll take my chances with a flu bug that has a 98% recovery rate.

[joeldalton]

@rcljr Covid is closer to a cold than a flu. But yeah.

[Stoner710]

Covid is actually related to the flu interestingly enough I think the flu is technically called common Human coronavirus.

[joeldalton]

The cold is a coronavirus.

[Anonymous]

Delta variant did not originate in Europe.

I seen no need in them all tis time anyway.

Lock down? Why? All stupid vulnerable people died already, smart ones know better and just stupid people, who cares?

[FakeName123]

It just means we let the delta variant run through the population as it is more infectuous, but less lethal - which is the ideal case of mutation to have.

[rcljr]

Nothing less than an N95 mask was good for the first covid, all you idiots wearing bandanas and hello kitty masks we’re wasting your fucking time.

[Stoner710]

Completely agree,

[RasberrySlushPuppy]

Stop with your fake news. You still need your hygiene and mask for historic viruses that are returning.

[Stoner710]

Really which one are those measles mumps rubella get vaccinated

[SuccessfulHornDog]

The next suggestion will be to sew our mouths shut. I think that the biden admin should lead by example and save us all

[Seinna]

Lol maska aren't effective period.

[Stoner710]

That a bad argument. Would you not want your dentist to not wear a mask or a surgeon

[Seinna]

Yeah so they wouldn't spit on me when leaning over me for 30+ mins, not because I'd feel protected from corona if they had it.

[rcljr]

Just to stop his “ I ate ass for lunch” breath.

[Stoner710]

@rcljr it’s to prevent the infection and other diseases from entering the body. When doctors started wearing masks it and started washing there hands and wearing gloves people started surviving more often.

You right in the Covid 19 sense but surgical masks do protect again diseases

[rcljr]

Nothing, less than an N-95 mask will protect you, not a cravat, not a bandana, not a paper surgical mask, not a hello kitty designer mask. That was stated by fauci at the very beginning of covid. it’s purely a political except idea to see what % of Americans will blindly follow whatever order the government gives them, wear a mask, don’t wear a mask, stay, home, go out, get 2 shots, oh no delta variant you must keep getting shots and wearing masks…. Count me out of all this liberal stupidity, I don’t follow mindless sheep, I think for myself and I take care of myself.

[Stoner710]

@rcljr I agree

There is a difference between blindingly fallowing and being force to wear it in stores in which case it’s a minor inconvenience but I’d rather get what I need then argue. Then take the mask off and not wear it at any other time, I get that businesses don’t wanna get fined for people not wearing a mask but any other time I won’t wear it. There needs to be some compromise but at this point I’m not willing to

[rcljr]

I don’t even do that, if I absolutely need something I can order it on amazon

[Stoner710]

@rcljr yea if I want something I go a get it if I can’t remember it I don’t need it or I’m not going to town until the next day Amazon is not my go to the local grocery store is mine. Or in town. Alcohol is about it since I grow everything I need Beyond a medical supplies and alcohol. I’m not a good brewer nor do I know how to make band-Aids when I cut myself on a goddamn tractor.

[OddBeMe]

Not sure, but the vaccine is 95%-100% Delta variant proof. Cool huh?

[Stoner710]

That is a good thing yes, One thing I think the joe Biden administration is failing to account for is the people who had Covid and survived we are probably at herd immunity by now and those who don’t want to get a vaccine that’s their choice, it’s kind of like get the vaccine or get Covid. Got a love operation warp speed

[OddBeMe]

Experts say no. Only 48% of the US is vaccinated. Fraction of that had survived Covid and survived. Why would you think we’re at herd immunity? We’re no where near it.

They say if we hit 70% vaccinations we’d have herd immunity. So get your side in line.

[Stoner710]

According to the CDC we are at 58% even if what you say is true with 48% why should vaccinated people be punished for the rest of the 52%-42%. For example why should you were me wear a mask they were fully vaccinated.

Also would you support force vacations? Meaning someone can’t work unless they’re fully vaccinated. Also given the 4th amendment rule the right to privacy which given people the right to medical privacy (supreme court decision 1985)

[OddBeMe]

No, I’m pro bodily autonomy. I’m actually hoping angivaxxers become pro choices.

But yes, vaxxed people only have 5%-ish chance to carry the virus. But I don’t want a 5% chance to kill an old person or a kid too young to get vaxxed.

[Stoner710]

That someone for although by your logic we should continue to mask regardless of the disease. With the vaccination Covid has become as deadly as the flu. Without a vaccination. I’m more deadly than the flu) even the flu vaccine only helps with 70% of the population should we lock down because of the flu

[OddBeMe]

When a disease is this deadly and we have morons that refuse to vaccinate, yes.

[Stoner710]

Of course you’re always going to have that but it’s their right to not get vaccinated it’s their right to catch Covid that’s called freedom that’s what America is based upon

[OddBeMe]

If it were Ebola with bleeding eyeballs?

[Stoner710]

Even then with Ebola you have the right to get vaccinated or not, the government can’t compel you to get the vaccine for Ebola. Oh by the way most of the anti vaxers are Democratic. most trump supporter are elderly, and the younger ones assess there level of risk and for most of them they think there level of risk isn’t high enough to get the vaccine. Now if it was a case where your eyes were bleeding then more people would be willing to get the vaccine.

[OddBeMe]

A few years ago I’d agree most were liberal assholes. But since Trump ruined his presidency with it right wingers surpassed.

[Stoner710]

Trump was pretty much a big fuck you to the democratic and the Obama administration, His Twitter was a pain the in ass and he wasn’t the best speaker his policies and the way he governed over seas was a good thing. I use to vote independently and voted for both sides in 2012 and 2016 I voted for patty marry for example then the Democratic turned radical I even fell into the socialist trap back then and though it was a good thing, then I started researching and found out what socialism does to it citizens. To not mention the idea that men can be women, censoring people on Facebook and then I realized this is a party that I don’t want to be a part of, so I got red pilled fully by 2018 now most people would consider me to be far right (I don't know if that’s an accurate description but I do listen to Ben Shapiro and louder with crowder and there consider far right even though there more libertarian on most issue like gay marriage). There does need to be some middle ground but I don’t think we’re ready for that as a country

[Anonymous]

Masks are worthless and useless against chinese virus, any flavor, same as the for-profit vaccine. Never wore one and never will. Not vaccinated and never will be.

[Stoner710]

The only one that works is N95s either way is peoples right to get vaccinated or not to get vaccinated do what works for you

[anylolone]

Because they were never effective in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Shoumds like my prediction is coming true next step drowning on the fliud of you dissolving lungs, enjoy
Ciao

[princeofromance]

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