Will this be an unintended consequence for pro-life states?

[Anonymous]

Women with means can travel, pay for hotel, and pay for abortion. Women with only the means for an abortion can't travel, so poorer women will bring babies into poverty.

Also states with strict abortion laws are driving away young, college-educated workers.

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Won't this mean in the long run, states with strict abortion laws will see fewer educated people, especially women, and more poor women having babies they can't afford? Wouldn't that be bad for the state's economy?

The younger people are, the more pro-choice they are. Sixty-seven percent of people 18-29 believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

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Already, medical schools are collecting data showing just that. Across the board, 2023 figures show a decrease in medical students applying to residencies — the multi-year training program for newly graduated doctors — in states with abortion bans. In Texas, the drop is particularly sizable.

Starting in 2022, months after the state’s six-week abortion ban took effect, the number of medical students applying to Texas-based OBGYN residencies fell by 10.4 percent, according to the Association of A

[Anonymous]

University enrollment has been dropping across the board since before Covid, and it got much worse during Covid. I'm sure abortion fans would love for us to believe it's due to abortion laws, but it's not.

Also, college students are young and idealistic. Once they grow up and have to make it in the real world, they'll take the best job they can get regardless of what state it's in.

By the way, the three states with the highest rated economies have some of the most restrictive abortion laws, and all of those three states are in the top 10 highest rated states to live in.

[Asker]

Read up on where medical students are going, especially obgyn

[Asker]

Also that article was not about college enrollment but where college graduates are moving

[slatyb]

What three states are those? Not the states with the highest per capita incomes.

[slatyb]

It will. Companies are returning their plans to expand in Texas as many of their employees and people they would like to hire refuse to live there. But the Texas Republicans are happy about that -- smart people vote Democratic, and nothing is more important to Republicans than holding power.

[slatyb]

Companies are reconsidering...

[MzAsh]

Well yeah that’s exactly what the pro choice movement has been saying the whole time. We already see this happening. Now, there are programs forming to help those in the states with stricter laws to get to the state where they can get a procedure. But availability isn’t guaranteed.

[Julie_TS]

Hmm, interesting... I guess we'll see.

by the way, is there any context to the map pictured in the question? There are four different colors, curious as to the breakdown. Thanks

[Asker]

Red strict
blue relaxed
tan: mixed

[Julie_TS]

Thanks for the MHO!!!

[Anonymous]

And there's going to be a lot of neglected children who will grow up and become everyone's problem. Might even found some babies left in dumpsters.

[MzAsh]

Sad. 😔 This is why safe havens drop offs are good.

[gorydetails]

So you're saying you want abortion in order to get rid of undesirable people? That sounds an awful like eugenics.

[Asker]

so you're OK with people with means being able to get abortions, but poor people not being able to?
I didn't say either was OK. I'm saying that a consequence of the GOP strategy to let the states decide abortion access could be only poor women who would choose abortion if they could afford it, would continue their pregnancies, while women with means would not.
Nowhere did I pass any judgement on if it was right and wrong. You jumped to that conclusion to deflect from the fact, I might be right, and the red states will not only see a brain-drain, but more children born into poverty.

[gorydetails]

I'm not ok with anyone getting abortions. But I understand how the United States is set up to operate.

[Asker]

so could red states see a brain drain while at the same time seeing more children born into poverty?

[gorydetails]

You mean like blue states that have taxed the fuck out of residents and imported crime, so the wealthy people leave for red states leaving the poor people behind?

[Asker]

compare crime rates of blue states to red states before you say that. Yes, rich older people are moving to red states, but that's not a brain drain: young, educated people leaving is.

[gorydetails]

I'm comparing the actual population movement rates. The blue states are bleeding population.

[Asker]

so the red states will have more older people and people without college educations, and the blue states will have smaller populations with younger educated people.
Of the ten states that have lost the most populaton since 2020: four are red, 5 are blue, and 1 is purple, but the effects of the abortion ruling are just now resonating. For example, Idaho has very, very few OBGYN's now compared to before their abortion law. They are bleeding doctors, but hey, who needs all that book larnin?

[gorydetails]

You are really eager to kill babies. Have you ever examined why?

[Asker]

www.wired.com/.../

[Asker]

let's hope the women arriving in those states don't need pre-natal care.

Already, medical schools are collecting data showing just that. Across the board, 2023 figures show a decrease in medical students applying to residencies — the multi-year training program for newly graduated doctors — in states with abortion bans. In Texas, the drop is particularly sizable.

Starting in 2022, months after the state’s six-week abortion ban took effect, the number of medical students applying to Texas-based OBGYN residencies fell by 10.4 percent, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges — while across the country, the number of applicants increased. The share of medical students applying to Texas-based residencies of any kind fell by half a percent that year.

The trend has continued: In 2023, Texas saw a 5.4-percent decrease in applicants to its medical residency programs, with a 6.4-percent decrease for OBGYN, specifically. Both of those are significantly larger decreases than the national average.

[slatyb]

It's already happening.

[gorydetails]

Ok, we have established. You enjoy killing babies.

[Asker]

how many infant deaths will there be when there are few to no OBGYNs?

[gorydetails]

Isn't a doctor's directive to "do no harm"? The better question is why won't they practice unless they can murder babies. Must be a high profit venture.

[Asker]

the rules are fuzzy as to what it takes to save a woman's life

[gorydetails]

Next to never does it involve aborting a fetus.

[Asker]

www.dallasnews.com/.../

www.cnn.com/.../index.html

[gorydetails]

I see a lot of "may" and "possible" and "might" in those articles. But you tried.