Can somebody explain to me how businesses are supposed to only accept vaccinated people in their businesses in New York?

[Stoner710]

It is illegal for the government and private businesses to ask for your medical records if they ask for your medical records you can sue them so if a business actually complies with Andrew Cuomo‘s orders they are breaking the law and will be sued it is against the hipaa act and the 4th amendment to the constitution. Or are we losing the right to privacy as well

[LuvMeSomeBoys]

Never in my time on GAG have I seen so many comments from so few with such a ridiculous misinterpretation of law. This is not a tough one, and you don't have to be a lawyer to understand this. Even someone who makes it through middle school civics can understand it.
It's not a matter of constitutional law at federal level. Measures in place during a public health emergency (and there still is one) are matters for the states, and have been all along. New York's state constitution, state laws, and city government mandates are what's at work here. If you don't live in New York, you are not affected by any of this, and you simply have no dog in the fight.
There's no HIPAA violation involved. None. Period. Not even close. One commenter made the best analogy yet, it's the same as being required to show proof of insurance during a traffic stop. All you're showing is that you meet the legal minimums for liability insurance, nothing more - no record of other insurance, or billing history, or previous claims that may have been filed. I can ask hunters on my property to provide proof of insurance to drive their ATV's on my land.
Being "asked" to provide anything is not a violation of anything. Businesses are not acting in agency (or as "actors" of government) by asking for vaccine proof. They are required to comply with laws and ordinances, just like individuals, and they often bear the liability (heavy fines, being shuttered, etc) for noncompliance. You may choose not to comply. You may refuse to show proof of vaccine, you may refuse the vaccine, nobody cares. Hell you can even stand and lecture the business staff and give them a piece of your mind. But if you don't provide it, say at a dining establishment, the restaurant has a right to seat you - outside - or ask you to leave the premises, and even have you removed by force if necessary.
This has devolved so far into pointless attempts to argue with those who have their rights, to include the right to project their stupidity, it isn't even funny.

[Sillyboi98]

Nice story Commie

[Sillyboi98]

Nice story you communist POS. but not all of us want to be controlled by the government.

[LuvMeSomeBoys]

Straw man. Get back to me if you ever get out of third grade. You’re way out of your league.

[willyham2021]

@Sillyboi98 We no longer care what you want.

[willyham2021]

exACTLY!! THIS!

[JustAnj]

I'm honestly surprised people are allowing themselves to be uneducated and not protecting their rights of freedom towards a lack of information about the vaccine that is being enforced that is not helpful towards the protection of others simply themselves and only temporarily and also is not a guarantee.

People really do jump the gun these days.

You don't want COVID-19 wear a mask I mean it's not that hard. They are literally just throwing unknowledgeable information at people about the vaccine, how do we really know it won't create a new variant just because someone who created the vaccine who still is learning about the vaccine and it's effects says so.

They even stated they were incorrect about the effectiveness of the vaccine, it honestly makes us look foolish. Just wear your mask when you are indoors and close to others. It really seems to be a social issue more then a educated one.

If we were smart people who are less likely to have to be hospitalized could build immunity if they got COVID-19 and they would create an effective vaccine FDA approved for those people who could become hospitalized or dead but sadly this would take a lot of research and more money since they probably could not get human tested for this kind of vaccine. Soo we are left with an over rushed vaccine that is unknown of it's true abilities or lack of ability since it was not studied enough and even recently has been generating new information of how well it truly works. 🤷

This all is just scrambled mess to me.

Overall this enforcing may create havoc if people start feeling like they are being pushed to steal and break into places just so they can survive.

That's just wrong in all levels.

[Stoner710]

What’s funny is there only 1 type of mask they has been proven to be effective the N95s clothed mask seem to have no effect the garter have actual less effect and actually has been proven to help spread the disease more. The 6 feet idea come from a study in the 1920s that show droplets are not the issue with Covid, If you wanted to prevent the Covid spread, because it’s an air born disease you would have to stand 30 feet away or stay in side change your N95 mask every day and not have heating or air conditioning

[willyham2021]

Shut up dude, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Stoner710]

@willyham2021 I know exactly what I’m talking about, I’ve studied law under Scalia I’ve looked up the statistics for Covid I’ve done my research have you?

[Stevepro68]

Vaccination records say nothing about your personal health no private health information, vaccination records are seen as public health records. So no it's not illegal to ask for your vax records, that is a myth perpetrated by people whom wish to place people at risk for selfish reasons.
The 4th amendment is illegal search and seizure by the governmental agencies does not apply to private business or health records.
HIPAA only applies to HIPAA-covered entities – healthcare providers, health plans, and healthcare clearinghouses – and their business associates. If an employer asks an employee to provide proof that they have been vaccinated in order to allow that individual to work without wearing a facemask, that is not a HIPAA violation as HIPAA does not apply to most employers or businesses.
Schools and hospitals have demanded vax records long before covid. Private businesses didn't have rampant pandemic making them care about your vaccination records in the past.
That said... you dont have to show it you just can't go to work. No one has to let anyone work or enter private property unless the owner wants you to.
If you don't have a shirt on they dont have to let you in, that's a choice you made.
If you don't have 2 working legs, or eyes, or ears, or white skin that is not your choice that's discrimination.
This is subtle difference.

[Stoner710]

The constitution applies to private buildings as well

[LuvMeSomeBoys]

@Stevepro68. You are correct in every respect. What's getting left out of the discussion here and elsewhere is that asking for vaccination proof, be it for entry to an establishment or for employment, is extremely limited in scope - it is not an intrusion into medical privacy. Once that vaccination status has been establish, the transaction is over. There's no collection, retention, or sharing with other entities. The "liberal" concern over proof of vax is that it will be collected, and will be shared with government entities like ICE who might use it to track down and ultimately deport illegals in the country. It's a lot like providing a school with proof that a child has had a physical and is medically cleared to participate in sports and other activities; the schools don't want the specific findings of the doctor's exam or lab results. It's merely a statement by a doctor (or nurse practitioner) that a physical was completed, and the doctor found nothing that would make the child's participation in whatever sport a health risk (it's more a CYA for the schools). TSA may ask passengers before going through security scanners if they have artificial joints, or a pacemaker (some scanners will cause pacemakers to function erratically) - they are medically-related questions but are narrow in scope and for a very specific purpose. And they're not retaining the information. If you have a child with a life-threatening food allergy, the school needs to know it so that they can comply with the ADA, and provide safe accommodation for the child; moreover, the school nurse needs to know what to look for if there's an adverse reaction. The list goes on and on. And any discussion about businesses becoming government "actors" by requiring vax proof is just pure hokum.

[loveslongnails]

You have a better argument using HIPPA than you do trying to invoke the 4th amendment. These are times that the writers of the Constitution could not imagine. The question is becoming more like this:
* Yes, you have the right not to vaccinate as an individual.
* However, do I as a business owner, have the right to deny you access to my business if I believe your non vaccination is a threat to my employee's health, and the public health in general.

I realize your stance on vaxx and privacy, but you might be interested to learn that 97% of all new hospitalizations from Covid, either Covid-19 or the Delta variant, involve non-vaccinated individuals. Question the numbers if you will, just look them up.

In my local hospital in Georgia, which is one of the top 6 un-vaccinated states, two ICU Covid units containing 12 people each are full. EVERY person in it is not vaccinated, and only 6 are over the age of 50 !! The rest are between 25 and 45 !! This is typical of what's going on in low vaxx states around the country. I don't want to debate long term side effects since nobody knows what they might be, but as to the here and now, the science seems pretty clear.

[Stoner710]

Theee are some short term side affects but not everyone is experiencing them, The really bad short term affects of the vaccine seem to be mainly occurring in 25 and younger. Also pregnant women should refrain from getting the vaccine until there pregnancy is over. Think about this they tell you that your not suppose to even drink coffee while pregnant let alone get an emergency vaccine.

In my state of Washington Covid case are up but Covid but the Covid death 7 day average is 9. Now of course was to get the death rate as low as possible it seems the goal of the federal government on Covid is 0 cases a day and 0 deaths a day which is never going to happen. The thing is people between 25-45 are not really dying form it (doesn’t mean we’re at 0 but it’s a very low death rate if you have prior Comorbidities then you have an issue). It’s the death rate we should care about not the case rate.

There is an argument that once the businesses have started doing the government’s bidding they are now government actor which means they are under the same restrictions as the federal government and state governments. Now a 1977 court case got the Supreme Court to acknowledge that medical documents are protected under the 4th amendment (the right to privacy). And since vaccines or a medical procedure they would be protected under that law.

Now there is a conversation going on in the republicans party about weather or not businesses should fall under the same restrictions as the constitution gives to governments in the United States. I’m on board with the yes businesses should fall under The subjugation of the constitution. Like Facebook cracking down on free speech. Facebook and Twitter started that wave and it would of course apply to restaurants bars electronics stores and other businesses as well.

[MCheetah]

You said it at the end: America is losing the right to privacy, as well. Things are going to absolute shit and it's all thanks to elitist scum and their useful idiot leftists (not actually "liberals," but "leftists") pushing this stuff, at their own detriment.

I wrote a MyTake about all of this, but the truth is, the vaccine is useless, it literally does more harm to you than good (making you sick for life and forcing a dependency on medicine; which will make pharma companies TRILLIONS of dollars over the years), and this COVID scam has been in the works for 20 years now. These people pushing this out legitimately need to be executed. This is a literal supervillain, world domination plot, happening before our eyes, while a large part of retards support poisoning themselves.

Also, Andrew Cuomo literally killed hundreds of old people by placing infected seniors in nursing homes. He's an absolute piece of shit, even by politician standards, and should be in prison right now. The fact anyone in New York still listens to him means they're as cucked as California now.

[TrueConfection]

No one is entitled to my medical info except my doctor. This kind of medical discrimination was outlawed with AIDS.

Any business that survived the shutdowns and the looting/burning needs to get out of NY. Are mother's going to leave their unvaxxed toddlers outside the stores and restaurants?

[Goforit1010]

This is how Democrats think. They believe they have the "right" to know your medical history and violate your privacy when it meets THEIR ideas. COVID is a 99+% survivable situation similar to the common cold. Let's get back to work and get on with our lives instead of following the idiotic fear liberals are throwing at us.

[Stoner710]

Pretty much what does type of actions will result in is ultimately a break up at the country because if they can do it with Covid what else are they going to do it with are we going to lock down for a couple months because of climate change? The right won’t do it

[Goforit1010]

I'm OK with splitting the country. Let the libs have their patch of dirt to screw up as much as they want. I figure it'll take about 3-4 years and no one will want to live there anymore. Everything they touch is FUBAR'd in short order. Another reason to NEVER let them in power again. It's bad enough when RINO's run the country. Libs/communists/Democrats are FAR worse!

[missmels]

Vaccination records are not a HIPAA violation. You would be simply presenting a card that shows proof, no other medical information. Also most schools/camps/colleges require certain vaccines/shots/booster shots in order to enroll. This would be the same situation. So there is likely a chance that you’ve complied with vaccination guidelines in the past - this would be the same thing, just at work.

[Stoner710]

It is a violation of the 4th amendment Whalen v. Roe. 1977 the Supreme Court acknowledged that our medical records are protected by the fourth amendment now in that case. The 4th amendment would apply to businesses as well

[rcljr]

It is a CLEAR violation of HIPAA, lying leftist trash, it IS a medical record. Ask me for mine I’ll tell you go fuck yourself with a cactus.

[missmels]

It’s not a violation of HIPAA, an easy google search can break it down for you. And explains how your concerns about the 4th amendment and W vs R 1977 does not apply. HIPAA protects you in a lot of ways, but not in this situation. Look it up to see for yourself.

It’s a health topic, not a political topic. So left right up down whatever the fuck… isn’t relevant.

Also if you’ve attended just about any school or college in the US, you complied with vaccination requirements then - it’s the same shit now.

[Roxxy99]

You’re making way too much sense for this guy to follow. Lol

[dillbill561]

All the requirements were always bad, school from elementary through college. Horrible places to go. I love the double standards and make believe science. It’s like everyone is a lawyer. But try reasoning with the incoherents, furthering your business and family and they keep piling up problems. Meanwhile our freedoms are all but gone

[Bee-Hatch]

Doesn't work that way surely. Take the example of an accountant applying for a job. They will naturally turn up with proof of their qualifications? It's not for the business to chase round accountancy schools looking for proof that the person is indeed an accountant. There's plenty of other accountants will offer proof of their credentials.


This should be the same really. A person applying should provide proof of their vaccination status. No business is going to chase someone's vaccination status when the next candidate will have it to hand.


Of course most modern nations have digital proofing systems making this no problem. I'm sure America will catch up at some point.

[Stoner710]

So it’s a violation of the 4th amendment for business and government to force you to show your medical records. (1977. Supreme Court case affirmed that medical records are protected under the fourth amendment as private information). A business cannot force his customers to show that they vaccinated it is literally illegal for them to ask. It’s like when someone with a survive animal goes into the store you were not allowed to ask if that is a service animal. The same concept applies for vaccines.

[Bee-Hatch]

Well if you're in a position of being unemployed and struggling to feed your family do you give a fuck? Particularly when the choice is share the information or someone else gets the job.

[TheOracle10]

so its die or get vaccinated, sounds like its gone a bit too far.

[Stoner710]

And then you sue the company for decimation. If person X doesn’t then person Y will sue

[rjroy3]

Just gotta play it out and take it to the Courts. Let the Courts outcome dictate the future. The shitty part about this is that it hurts a lot of people.

The good thing about it is that if one court case goes through, that outcome acts as precedent for all future cases. And if there is a precedent for easy wins, no one will go to court for a losing case.

If their side is a losing case you get to deny showing medical information and if they deny you, sue them for discrimination and win. But they'll know that's what happens so they'll just not fight you on it. Play it through

[gotc147]

Um, Biden just defied the Supreme Court and extended the eviction moratorium by executive fiat, Democrats don't give two fucks about is and is not legal.

[Stoner710]

@gotc147 unless that happened in the last 24 hours the eviction moratorium hasn’t been extended

[gotc147]

Read the news.

[rjroy3]

It's happening. They changed the plan enough to require litigation. They expect the litigation to take two months to begin (may be sooner). But until then the moratorium passes.

They're gaming the system. Mixed feelings about it, but hey. They're playing the game so I can't hate too much. My response to this whole question was basically recommending the same.

[Stoner710]

@gotc147 yea I read it it’s very questionable weather or not it’s legal people will end up seeing and it probably will go to the Supreme Court again unfortunately by the time it reaches the courts the 2 month extension will be over but it does give Republicans if we regain the house to impeach Joe Biden

[rjroy3]

It's not legal lol. They're gaming the system so they have till litigation.

[Stoner710]

Pretty much it’s what the CCP did right before they took over, Stop paying rent then kill the land lords it’s trying to make sure no own owns property

[BeenThereLovedIt]

At this point, the vaccine is the only solution to getting past covid with no more waves.

Anyone who refuses to get it at this point is just part of the problem and causing the deaths of others. It's really that simple. Get over yourselves and get the damn shot and stop putting society as a whole at risk.

You want this to be over? Then stop acting like a spoiled child and re-join society and do what's best for everyone. Your suicidal tendencies are affecting others, god damn wake the fuck up people. You are wrong. Just at least CONSIDER that you might be wrong. Think MF'ers, think.

[Phoenix98]

It’s honestly pretty stupid especially when you consider that vaccine doesn’t give you immunity from the original strain. Nor does it protect you from the other 4-5 strains out there and even if you are vaccinated you can still infect other people.

And I’m not gonna take a rushed experimental vaccine of which we don’t know what the long term side affects are that isn’t FDA approved. That doesn’t make you immune from covid or it’s 4-5 other strains and that still makes you contagious to other people so you can still infect people with covid.

Not to mention it’s illegal to force people to show their medical records. It’s also illegal to force people to get an experimental not to mention rushed vaccine that isn’t FDA approved.

[Smashingdoozy]

🤦🏻‍♀️ you realize there are many vitamins that people take daily that aren't fda approved?
Vaccine was tested more than any other vaccine.
It's not experiential. It wasn't rushed in the sense of making it. It was rushed through the paperwork process.

It's not illegal to ask said person for their health information. It is however illegal to call up a medical professional ask them for another persons record and have them give it to you, that is what HIPPA protects against.

[Levin]

When they released that toxic shite, in the supporting paperwork, in stark black and white, we do not know if it will affect fertility, we do not know the interactions with other drugs, we do not know, yada yada.

The idea that they tested it thoroughly before they released it, is just patent bollocks. And very likely why there was a huge spike in old peoples' deaths since there was a huge upsurge in mortality exactly correlating with its release. Dr Sam Bailey has a nice video on her channel about the clinical trials process. You can't perform long term trials in the space of 6 months. Your body is sacrosanct. Don't put satan spunk inside it.

[Smashingdoozy]

Vaccines don't stay in your body. It's literally completely flushed out of your body in less than 6 months. Hence why long term side effects are always discovered in that time frame. From what I can see the Dr in question is a GP not an epidemiologist nor a virologist, or anything else that requires further training. In other words she is not a reliable source because she doesn't know what she is talking about, because it's not her area of expertise.
I've been fully vaccinated for months. As have millions of other people.

[Phoenix98]

@Smashingdoozy There's a big difference between vitamins and a vaccine.

And yes actually it was rushed most vaccines that are made from scratch take typically 5-10 to properly develop. While recreating a vaccine that already exists takes 2-6 weeks, clearly it wasn't the latter.

And also yes the vaccine is experimental that's part of why the FDA won't approve it is due to it's experimental label. Another reason why the FDA won't approve the vaccine is because the interim data only shows that it's safe and effective for only about three months. For full and proper approval the FDA requires at least six months of efficacy data to review showing that it's safe.

[Phoenix98]

Sorry when I said 5-10 I was talking about years not months ( just so you didn't misinterpret )

[Smashingdoozy]

www.fda.gov/.../emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

You realize the FDA are the ones who authorize it for emergency use?

"FDA is utilizing its various authorities and expertise to facilitate the expeditious development and availability of vaccines that have met the agency’s rigorous and science-based standards for quality, safety, and effectiveness. Early in a public health crisis, FDA provides clear communication to the pharmaceutical industry pertaining to the scientific data and information needed to ensure development of vaccines and works quickly to provide advice on their proposed development plans and assessment of the data that are generated."

So if the vaccine was officially FDA approved hypothetically next week, you'd be cool with taking it then?

[hahahmm]

Now there was some firefighter in the news recently who got arrested for taking paid time off when he lied about having COVID & lied and said his wife and kids got it. Eventually he was asked for proof from doctors and he couldn't provide any. In his case he committed fraud. I guess if you lie to get something of value you're in that situation. But maybe the authorities can't directly ask the medical people... they can only ask you. Once you lie you open the door to them nailing you.

The US Constitution is saying what the government can and can't do. Not what private businesses can/can't do.

Far as hippa... my impression is that a lot of databases are third party VOLUNTARY databases and not covered by that. Although companies are playing games with that like when I had to book a plane ticket for a relative and it asked about COVID. It said it was voluntary to answer but you could NOT book the ticket if you refused to answer the question!

[hahahmm]

A restaurant could just require a paper vaccination card. Super easy to forge, and nobody will be investigating anything. I think in some countries government is using phone apps tho.

[natured]

They are doing the same in Italy, they are planing to not even let the non vaxxers inside bars and restaurants...
It is unfair if you ask me, but who I'm I to decide...
I got vaxxed for my own personal reasons but idc if others do it or don't do it.
TO me, it's kind of unfair

[FilmGuy93]

They are allowed to do things like that because of emergency, crisis time provisions that the government is simply not going to ever give up, because why would they give up extra control?

I personally have been vaccinated. What bothers me about these policies is the impact they have on people who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons. Ironically, these vaccine passports disproportionately affect black people, a greater percentage of whom have refused to get vaccinated, than any other ethnic group. Given their history of being experimented on, I can certainly understand their hesitation.
But now these people are disproportionately going to be excluded from certain elements of society because they haven't been vaccinated... sounds like second class citizenry to me.

Heartbreaking... absolutely heartbreaking.

[Caunsos]

Simply because it doesn't.

The 4 amendment: requires law enforcement and government agencies to have warrant that state what they are allowed to search and what they are allowed to take.

HIPAA: requires your permission for your medical to be shared by your doctor's office or health insurance.

The police aren't taking your vaccine card so there is need for a warrant and you are the one sharing your vaccine card with the business therefore you have given your permission for the business to see those records.

Now asking a grocery store to follow thise rules would be exstream but theaters, restaurants, schools, offices, and factories all make sense.

[Stoner710]

It is a violation of the 4th amendment Whalen v. Roe. 1977 the Supreme Court acknowledged that our medical records are protected by the fourth amendment now in that case. The 4th amendment would apply to businesses as well Especially at this point they would be government actors

[Caunsos]

You correct medical record are protected by the 4th amendment. However in this situation it dose matter because business are not collecting these records via means of search and seizure or by contacting your doctor, your health insurance or pharmacy.

He asking business to request prove of vaccination ( ie your vaccine card) before rendering services or offering employment.
Business can request all kinds documentation and even dress attire as requirements for them offer services or allow admittance in there place of business.
Nightclubs requires proof of age for admittance but you wouldn't call that a violation of your 4 th amendment rights. Maybe but a sain person wouldn't.

Right to my understanding it just request not any sort of legal requirement. And if was there laws that allow for such regulations with issues of public health.

You know the saying no shirt no shoes no service. Just thing as not shirt no shoes no vaccine card no service.

They can't access your vaccine card with out your permission and you can access their services with their permission.

[Stoner710]

Except when businesses are doing the bidding of the Federal government and the local state government they have now become government actors which means the constitution applies to them as well like it does The federal government.

Also they never said anything about pants just kidding

[Caunsos]

Even if they was a legal maindate requiring proof vaccinations before and exchange of services, or admission it would not violate any rights granted to you by US law.

You go to a restaurant and request a talbe and the restaurant request to see your vaccine card. At this point you still have the right to say ( as you kindly put it another reply.) "Go fuck your self with a catus." ( sorry if it not wording is a bit off) after that restaurant still has the right to tell you to "get the fuck out of their restaurant. "

You never lose you right to keep your vaccination records private. And they not never lose the right choose who they offer services to.

We all ready have laws like on the book. You are required to show identification for the purchase of alcohol, tobacco, and pornograph.

Along as it not cutting off peoples access to food or medical attention i have not issue it with it.

If you don't want to show your vaccine card to see a play than don't got a play yhe requires to see it.

[Stoner710]

This situation will likely go to scotus given the justice we have (Robert Gorsuch Kavanaugh Aledo and Thomas ). It would likely go in the individual favor and not the business. Or what will happen is we will see businesses only do business with the vaccinated and other businesses will do business with the everyone regardless of vaccination status or not. We are already seeing a similar situation with PayPal with there idea of blocking transaction with people they deme as hate groups.

[Anonymous]

Maybe you should know the law before you start saying it's illegal. Hipaa and the 4th amendment apply to the government, not businesses.

Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to ANY PERSON FOR ANY REASON, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class.

At the national level, protected classes include:
Race or color
National origin or citizenship status
Religion or creed
Sex
Age
Disability, pregnancy, or genetic information
Veteran status

[Stoner710]

It is a violation of the 4th amendment Whalen v. Roe. 1977 the Supreme Court acknowledged that our medical records are protected by the fourth amendment now in that case. The 4th amendment would apply to businesses as well.

[Opinion Owner]

Like all constitutional amendments, the 4th applies to the government, not businesses in the context of who they serve. And the law is very clear on the limitations of who they can refuse service to.

[Stoner710]

The fourth amendment also applies to businesses who have become government actors. If businesses in New York follow what Andrew Cuomo and build DeBlasio are saying they should they have started playing the role of government actors also when you look at who’s getting the vaccination by race why people are less likely to get the vaccination only 35% of black people in New York have gotten the vaccination where are they going to do discriminate against black people because they’re not willing to get the vaccination

[backblueblack22]

So that way unvaccinated people can frequent places that don’t check hence putting themselves and tons of other unvaccinated people at risk. Fucking stupid.

This bs is going to far. We are all grown ass adults and we can make own decisions. If you are older and/or in a vulnerable category you are taking a huge gamble now being unvaccinated. You WILL get covid if you haven’t had it already. But again that is on YOU. That is your personal choice.

I get it that the government is trying to encourage more people to vaccinate. But the CDC has flip flopped and made so many stupid ass mandates (e. g. telling vaccinated people they have to mask... what the f*ck?). This crap makes anti vaxxers more intransigent.

[purplepoppy]

Asking for proof of vaccination is not the same as looking at medical records. The later is a history of your health, vaccination records are only a tiny part and not considered private.

[CreamySeed]

Maybe in the Peoples republic of Wales

[Fuentes]

No see here in AMERICA we have something called HIPPA that protects our medical information making it confidential unless we disclose or sign a release of our information to a specfic person or party to see, the issue is commies like you don't want people to know their rights and laws but as an American se can exercise it all over, unlike you living without true privacy sucks to be you

[KrakenAttackin]

@Fuentes Damn straight, fuck those NYC clowns.

[Bean2k]

@Fuentes Over in Russia they have a mobile app and you're required to have a QR code scanned in the mobile app to get service anywhere. Fuck those commie pink bastards and their public health system because you might get better medical treatment when your records are centrally consolidated or you might get killed at birth because they know from your genes that you will grow up to be a fat, ugly Karen. Wait a second... have you seen how beautiful Russian women are? We might want to rethink this.

[Fuentes]

@KrakenAttackin this chick is beyond delusional she is from England and knows damn well our laws are not the same but she always comments from. experience and her own laws onto ours as if all is one. She's not in her right mindstate and she's a hippy communist

[Bean2k]

@Fuentes The Greek philosopher Pythagoras was a communist. People thought he was crazy too, but he had a great life and many love triangles.

[Smashingdoozy]

Y'all are so stupid. It literally takes 3 seconds to google.
privacyrights.org/.../health-privacy-hipaa-basics

[purplepoppy]

Are people so dumb they can't differentiate between asking for a proof of vaccination and demanding to see your full medical records. It's no different to showing proof of a rabies or TB vaccine to an employer or your typhoid vacc record when going on holiday.
If you don't want the vaccine thats your right but if people won't let you enter thats theirs so tough shit

[Fuentes]

@Smashingdoozy you are a hippy communist you posted "basics" not the full extent, you have special needs it makes sense with the blue hair you're probably a member of the alphabet Mafia lgbtq+, and you definitely can't read so the school system failed you at least your not as delusional as poppy sitting in your house thinking your an American every second of the day.

[Smashingdoozy]

I guess you failed to read it then? Was it not dumbed down enough for you? I could probably find something a little more in your reading level. That is considering you're saying the school system failed me yet you've made multiple spelling and gramatical errors and not to mention are incapable of understanding that "basics" is just dumbed down so people like you can understand 😊

[Fuentes]

@Smashingdoozy surely it did if you think the basics leads to the true answers, and yeah please do because my READING level is clearly higher then yours, sucks to be you i would not know what to do if i was illiterate or dyslexic like you :)

[Smashingdoozy]

*sigh*

Than* it's than.

You really think these are good insults? Try harder, I dare you.

[Fuentes]

@Smashingdoozy insults its what anyone can see also i can tell by reading your profile your not a stable person so instead if worrying about my grammar so much why dont you sorry about your own life, typical Biden Lgbtq mafia communist supporters worried about everything else but there confused and disturbing mental health. The left is really a circus.

[Smashingdoozy]

I'm perfectly fine thanks, you should see a therapist about these anger issues though 😊

[Fuentes]

@Smashingdoozy don't self project your feelings onto me thats sad just remember when speaking to me im rubber and your glue so whatever you say sticks back to you, anyway i will never be vaccinated and theirs nothing you can do about it

[Smashingdoozy]

Ok have fun being the control group in this "experiment"

[Fuentes]

@Smashingdoozy look at u congratulating yourself on being a true lab rat it's the self projection you keep trying to push on me & then calling others dumb for not being another toe tag for the future.

[ChrisMaster69]

@purplepoppy exactly,

You need certain inoculations to travel to certain countries, you have to show them.

Yellow Fever is a prime example, which people around the world have carried with their passport for years.
I would if I was to guess, that in the US, their medical insurance is likely strict on travel vaccinations, that’s like more disclosure.

The entire purpose of a proof of vaccination, is actually so that organisations are NOT seeking to look at medical records, every request is an increased risk to data security, never mind shit loads of US Medical records are available for sale as it stands.
On a positive note, I believe in order to leave the US on holiday or business, you need to be fully vaccinated, this means the rest of the world does not have to put up with the ‘other’ lot.

[Smashingdoozy]

The lab rats were the ones who volunteered for the trials dumbass. Google is free. Please for goodness sake use it.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Fuentes Yes, the UK has been totally conditioned to trust the government and March to the beat of ultra-left wing drums.

[ChrisMaster69]

With our Right wing government that took over those left wing seats….

Very conditioned 😂😂

[Smashingdoozy]

Lmfao was gonna say isn't the UK run by fucking Tories 😂

[Smashingdoozy]

Though I guess anything is left compared to USA 😬

[Fuentes]

@Smashingdoozy no you want me to be forced to take a vaccine guess what im not taking it, how does that make you feel?

[Fuentes]

@KrakenAttackin bro this chick doozy just said on another post humans aka scientist are not at capacity to create a virus? Delusional Biden voters in todays world.

[Bean2k]

Did nobody hear me? Pythagoras was a communist. He realized we all live in the circle of life and that trying to find the hypotenuse of a circle is pointless.

[purplepoppy]

I suppose your next questions going to be related to pi and the circle of life

[Smashingdoozy]

"said on another post humans aka scientist are not at capacity to create a virus?"

I thought you could read, that's not what I said 😬

[Bean2k]

OMG don't even get me started on PI, it will be never-ending.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Fuentes Truth. Their absolute worship of big government is astounding.

[Fuentes]

@Smashingdoozy you know what you said is so stupid you're trying to make it seem like you said something SMART hahhahahaha!!!

[katiesmuff]

Like cruise ships are doing! They can't ask for your card, but if you don't volunteer your card then you are restricted to wearing a mask everywhere and lots of spots like pool deck you are not allowed on. I'm happy about that and hope it gets tougher everywhere.

[dillbill561]

Guess it’s not already hard enough on the terrorized populous. Do you zombie

[katiesmuff]

@dillbill561 I love it! Keep all those ignorant morons who are too stupid to get a simple shot away from me and my family. Really love it that more and more companies every day are requiring every employee to be vaccinated. We will win this war over all you dunderheads.

[dillbill561]

Yeah you do love it. But the war that was started and continues through your people cannot be won. Even if there is shallow victory you will only continue to be deceived. Don’t worry I stay away from your lot already and we are well trained, armed and have actual education. Goodluck you have nothing but are only brainwashed vegetables. Still you will get more respect than you’ve ever shown

[dillbill561]

Sad that you just admitted to having started a civil war. Despite the fact of what the tele says about us, none of it is ever true. You on the other hand just admitted to being in a war. Get over yourself child. I wish you well and hope that you learn and can see the truth

[Anonymous]

It's just business.

Private business can set rules for private things.

Don't want to bake a rainbow cake? Within your rights as a business owner to refuse that order.

Don't want to risk your staff or customer safety and require vaccines? Within your rights as a business owner to refuse unvaxxed customers.

There's many vaccinated folks who will go out of their way to support your shop, and hell, you can still sell to unvaxxed - just deliver or do a contactless curbside pick up.

Business owners hold right to refuse service on non-protected grounds, always. That's Capitalism, baby.

[Roxxy99]

Well……it’s not a HIPAA violation and it’s not a search and seizure issue either. I’m not sure what authority de Blasio is using to unilaterally decide this, so you might possibly be able to argue executive overreach.

[Stoner710]

It is a violation of the 4th amendment Whalen v. Roe. 1977 the Supreme Court acknowledged that our medical records are protected by the fourth amendment now in that case. The 4th amendment would apply to businesses as well

[Roxxy99]

The fourth amendment doesn’t apply to private businesses. It applies to government entities. In the case you cite, the court actually upheld the constitutionality of a state mandate requiring physicians to report certain medical information to the state. That doesn’t exactly support your case here. Besides, you can still keep your vaccination status private if you choose to. You just won’t be able to enter certain businesses with NYC.

[SaoirseS]

@Roxxy99. You are correct. Best I can tell some of the promoters of bad info are getting it from a misguided meme making the rounds on Facebook.

[Stoner710]

@SaoirseS the founder did mean for the Constitution to apply to private businesses as well this is why when Facebook take some thing off of their platform is a violation of the First Amendment. Even Supreme Court justices like Clarence Thomas would agree with me

[SaoirseS]

Just because someone thinks something is a constitutional issue doesn’t mean it is one. Anyone believing it is can file suit in the lower courts, but there’s nothing here that would warrant it even being heard. Anyone believing it’s a HIPAA violation can report it through HHS. Facebook and other platforms can moderate content as they please, that is not even new.

[Roxxy99]

The founders intended for the Constitution to apply to private businesses? What could you possibly be basing that opinion on? The Constitution is a framework for government and lays out limitations on governmental power. It doesn’t apply to private businesses. Facebook, or any private entity, isn’t bound by the first amendment. It’s how social media regulates content. It’s why your employer can fire you for your speech. There is long standing legal precedent on this. I haven’t made up my mind whether you’re that uninformed or you’re just trolling here.

[SaoirseS]

@Roxxy99. I’m going with trolling. A few here just making stuff up as they go along. It’s blatantly obvious they have no clue what they’re talking about, even more obvious they haven’t read the pieces they cite.

[Stoner710]

For one I’m glad I’m in the office inside of the country although I fear half the the state will fallow NYC example. The court case mention did say that the government is allow to know who takes certain medication‘s like Oxsee cotton. However that is a more liberal interpretation of the constitution. With 5-4 justices being conservatives it is likely that if this went to court the Supreme Court would take my side in this case

[Roxxy99]

That case has nothing at all to do with vaccine requirements but keep the ignorance rolling. It’s entertaining if nothing else.

[SaoirseS]

@Roxxy99. Entertaining to a point, but sad hearing from some of them who obviously haven’t really read the pieces they’re citing. You don’t have to be a lawyer to understand it, just literate. The ignorance is really strong on this one.

[MotorcycleMan]

I suspect you can't sue someone for simply asking for your medical records. There was no harm to you in asking. You can decline if you would like. Business have the right to refuse service. Nobody is forcing you to share your private information, it's just a requirement to use that particular business. Most will provide some kind of curb-side service as an alternative.

[Stoner710]

The mirror asking is a violation of the fourth amendment It is a violation of the 4th amendment Whalen v. Roe. 1977 the Supreme Court acknowledged that our medical records are protected by the fourth amendment now in that case. The 4th amendment would apply to businesses as well

[MotorcycleMan]

May I see your medical records?
Sue me.

I'm kidding of course, but I suspect that it depends on the context. Then again, I'm not a lawyer.
The more I think about it, the more I think you are probably right.
While I don't think it would be strictly against the law to ask, it would probably be against the law to deny service if someone says No, and even asking would give the impressions that there would be some sort of negative action depending on your medical records or a refusal to produce them.

[SaoirseS]

Asking for proof of vaccination is not a HIPAA violation.

[SaoirseS]

Well thanks for the downvote, sorry you don’t like it. I’m just the messenger. I don’t know what state laws are at work in New York, but the question about whether or not asking for vax info has long been settled. It is clearly not a HIPAA violation. HIPAA only applies to HIPAA-covered entities, which most businesses are not. This will walk you through the whys:

www.google.com/.../

[Stoner710]

It is a violation of the 4th amendment Whalen v. Roe. 1977 the Supreme Court acknowledged that our medical records are protected by the fourth amendment now in that case. The 4th amendment would apply to businesses as well

[SaoirseS]

Are you a lawyer or business owner?

[rcljr]

That is a lie

[SaoirseS]

I think you need to re-read the entire Whalen decision. The 4th Amendment was not even at issue, the center was the FourTEENTH. The court found to the contrary.

[Stoner710]

I’m studying to become a lawyer I start law school in the fall, I do have a history and political science degree. Also justices Aledo Clarence Thomas Brett Kavanaugh Amy Coney Barrett and Neil Gorsuch all agree with me.

[SaoirseS]

Then go file an amicus brief.

[Kabluie]

OP's balls are sore because they are leeching on arguments that don't make sense, and that HIPAA doesn't apply to private entities. You want to get a cruise ship wristband to be in vaccinated zones, you have to present proof. Otherwise you are restricted. That's how it works. No shoes, no shirt, no shot, no service.

[SaoirseS]

@Kabluie Exactly. There's no constitutional issue, HIPAA issue, or even federal issue at work here.

[Stoner710]

@Kabluie yes it does the Constitutional does apply to private businesses when it’s an acting government mandates. If the government mandated you to check a vaccine pass port then you have become a government actor which means you are not allowed to violate the 4th amendment or hipaa

[Kabluie]

No, there is no 4th amendment violation, no one is being searched or seizures. You are just being denied services like going to broadway or eating out. Business isn't a covered entity under HIPPA, nice try though.

[Stoner710]

@Kabluie in a 1977 case supreme current affirmed that medical documents are private personal information, this is where we get medical information is protected under the 4th amendment

[Kabluie]

It's not, even the U. S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission already wrote a brief businesses can deny services to unvaxed. It's over, the doors are closing.

[Stoner710]

@Kabluie it’s not over until scotus speaks. Remember this point of view is a mainstream conservatives view point and we have 5 of them conservatives will win in the courts. What is the equal employee opportunity commission going to do about that?

[Kabluie]

You lose again, antivaxers arguments get weaker and more stupid as the weeks go on.

www.newsweek.com/amy-coney-barrett-strikes-surprising-killer-blow-covid-vaccine-mandate-defiance-1619046

[Stoner710]

@Kabluie first off I’m. Not an anti Vaxxer. What i am against if forced vacations I do think everyone should get vaccinated but I don’t believe that businesses or the government should force vacations that’s where I draw the line. I got the Pfizer vaccine I got the first one on March 31 and the second one on April 21

[bolverk]

It will be more likely that the people and businesses will ignore Cuomo‘s 'orders' as they have no validity in law.
Or the majority of the city's population will decline carrying a vaccination record card and just decide to stay at home?
Those are the two most likely scenarios.

[HugoThe2nd]

Stop misinterpreting the HIPPA, you demented anti vax trolls.
HIPPA prevents an organization handling your medical information, such as your health care provider, from providing that information to other parties WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT.

An organization asking for your medical information is not violating anything.
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[HugoThe2nd]

The act of asking itself is not a violation of the HIPAA, most businesses are not subject to any HIPAA regulations.
Only those organizations who already handle and have access to your information are subject to HIPAA.

Vaccination status is classified information, however such can be freely shared with your authorization.

And that's all it comes down to- a business asks for your vaccination status (not violating anything in the process) and you can CHOOSE to either disclose it or not.

It's your right to choose not giving them that information, but then it's their right to deny service to you.
Simple as that.

[VKCTORG]

It is not against HIPAA to ask if someone is vaccinated. You should be asking lawyers instead of this place cuz it sounds like you just want validation of your beliefs. And other than that why would they ask for your medical records? Do you have a skin condition that forces them to ask?

[kc_4308]

HIPPA protects your medical records. What’s going on is illegal that’s like me asking you for your medical records without consent.

[kc_4308]

I dels with HIPPA lawd

[kc_4308]

Laws

[kc_4308]

I actually create the laws that enforce HIPPA rules

[SaoirseS]

Might want to go read the HIPAA again. There’s no HIPAA violation here. If you believe there is then report it to HHS. Stop spreading disinformation.

[kc_4308]

It is a HIPPA violation sorry to burst your bubble. It’s a violation under the Nunberog code.. run along.. lol

[kc_4308]

DHHS has nothing to do with a non mandated vaccine. This is why hospitals, clinics, and doctors offices are not responsible for you after taking the vaccine

[SaoirseS]

You’re on the wrong track here. HHS is the federal proponent for HIPAA and the reporting channel for suspected HIPAA violations. You clearly are blowing smoke and have no idea what you’re talking about.

[SaoirseS]

You’re pulling all of this out of your rear end. You can’t even get the spelling of HIPAA right. Go have yourself a wonderful day. Somewhere else.

[kc_4308]

You’re a walking liability

[kc_4308]

I create HIPPA laws wtf are you talking about? Thanks to the corrupted government this is why any and everything is getting a pass. You’re an idiot. I’m a healthcare manager who creates HIPPA laws

[SaoirseS]

You’re full of it. You don’t create laws. And if you’re a health care manager them I’m the President of the United States. The more you type the more an idiot and ass you make out of yourself. We get it, you’re an anti-vaxxer, and only want to associate with the non-vaccinated. But you know absolutely nothing about HIPAA, how and when it applies, so stop with the lies.

[kc_4308]

I’m a health care manager what part do you not get.. we create and enforce HIPPA laws I have a BA degree

[kc_4308]

Idgaf about being me being an anti vaxxer it Durant change what my profession is. You’re an idiot and annoying af

[kc_4308]

Doesn’t change what my profession is. A health care manager. You sound stupid a typical sheep lol

[kc_4308]

I’m also a Medical Assistant

[SaoirseS]

Sure. And I bet you’re an international spy and Navy SEAL too. You have no clue what you’re talking about. You might learn if you can actually read. Right now it’s looking like you’re not even an adult.

[SaoirseS]

Thanks for the free block.

[Fuentes]

@SaoirseS your a SJW hippy commie who hates people who know their rights

[Chriscunning]

It's not a violation. It doesn't indicate anything of your medical history. It's essentially saying "You are protected from Covid". It's like asking someone if they got car insurance and you produce your insurance. It doesn't mean the cops now know ALL your claims, they just know you insured. It's not insurance history. It's not medical history.

[Chriscunning]

@SaoirseS I am impressed with the Resume. A health care manager who writes law who's also a medical assistant. Oddly enough all the health care workers i know have been vaccinated, like the good sheep they are... Or actually maybe it's because they seen friends and collogues die. But whatever, impressive none-the-less.

[kc_4308]

Chris how I know things are my business pertaining to the medical field. I knew about the vaccine before it came and I quit my job before it started. A covid ID card oops covid vaccine card is violation of your medical right, but due to the communist country and corrupted government anything goes

[kc_4308]

I feel sorry for anyone who took it

[Chriscunning]

@kc_4308 It's still not a violation. It's merely saying you protected, no indication of your history. It's like going for a job interview and you have a degree. It's merely saying "I can do the job". It's no where near your work history.

Why u feeling sorry for people who have taken the vaccine? Most i heard of are back to normal going to pubs and restaurants.

[kc_4308]

It’s a violation and it’s no ones business who took the vaccine or not.. you believe what you want.. I know what I know

[kc_4308]

Would you give out your covid card to every stranger you meet? No. Why are businesses and such asking for it? For control - you sheep’s are sheep’s enjoy.

[Chriscunning]

@kc_4308 For control... I see... Did the vaccine come with a remote control?

Best you loose your home loan, car license paper, insurance, credit cards, ID documents, etc, etc. You do know these same people will have pretty much all your details and 'control' you. They have profiled you, see what web sites you use, what you type on your keyboard, what you say over your phone. They know u better than you know you.

Very sheepish if you ask me. Getting a degree like the other sheep. Getting loans like the other sheep. Quitting your job like a good little sheep. But from one sheep to another, glad you feeling sorry for us. Sheep Five!

[kc_4308]

I can’t wait until 5 G turns on and we see how much control you’ll be under here soon. I can’t wait until 8/11

[willyham2021]

No, it is NOT a HIPAA violation. And I'm calling you not just a liar, but a pretty dumb liar too with your "HIPPA." GTFOH

[kc_4308]

You must have taken the jab sheep enjoy 5 G when it’s activated I feel sorry for everyone who took the jab

[willyham2021]

You don't know anything. Be quiet while the adults are talking child.

[kc_4308]

I’m not a child but you’re going to be friend if you took the jab

[josephinelcajon]

Never has this been done. I feel the vaccinations are slowly showing they are failing as the virus is continuing to mutate at such a rapid pace they will never catch up. This biological weapon that was deliberatly created and then control release is designed to kill. Remember the 911 mastermind LOL "this worked far better than I ever thought it would" Well there is someone else saying the same again!

[have_a_good_day]

over here they are going to ammend a law that has to do with your annual sick leave. not entirely sure what the exact words are but it basically states that you are not entitled to paid sick leave if you contract covid and you are someone who opted to not be vaccinated.

[comekitty]

My work just announced this too. They said if you've been vaxed and are exposed you don't need to quarantine unless there's symptoms. Unvaxed have to quarantine.
Now last year, anyone that needed to quarantine got to use "covid days" or work remotely. This is not going to be an option this year. If you're told to quarantine, you're personal sick days are being used.

[comekitty]

My work also required proof of vaccination from those that took the vax.

[Celtero]

There are other ways to prove you got the vaccine besides a comprehensive medical record.

The thing with private businesses is you can choose not to patronize them. If businesses have a problem with the mandate, they shouldn't have set up shop in NY.

[msc545]

Public health needs supersede privacy concerns to some extent (Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11 (1905)). Also, if you voluntarily show proof of your own vaccination I don't think that violates HIPPA as I understand it. Lastly, business owners are permitted to set reasonable conditions for prospective patrons, eg, "No shirt, no shoes, no service" and the like which I believe can include vaccination. I am not a lawyer and I am just guessing.

[Stoner710]

You can voluntarily show a vaccine card. Businesses aren’t allow to ask for it. It’s like a service animal businesses are technically not allowed to ask you if there is a service animal. (I’m studying to become a lawyer I got my prerequisite degree in history and I’m about to start law school)

[msc545]

why aren't businesses allowed to ask for it? Can they post a sign saying you aren't allowed in without proof of vaccination?

[humanearth]

We lost the right of privacy with cellphones, internet and people saying I have nothing to hide so let them spy.

Well this is what you get when people stop fighting for freedom

[PinkMichae]

New York already lost residents because of the tax hikes and crime wave for defunding the police. Now new york will lose more residents. I thought my governor was bad but new Yorks is worse. And the mayor is even more worse than the governor.

[Stoner710]

Yea I heard they lost a seat in the house because they were short 89 people. Shouldn’t have murder your elderly Cuomo

[Kabluie]

NYC has an app called NYC Covid Safe for vaccine passports and there is the Excelsior Pass, which will verify you against NY record. You realize every local government knows who got the shot because the federal government is paying for each one of them.

[MysteriousDarkness]

It's not violating HIPPA or the 4th Amendment. HIPPA has to do with the sharing of medical records of which you have to sign papers for your doctor to give medical records to a specific person or place. The 4th Amendment has to do with having a warrant for what is being searched and or seized.

[Stoner710]

Except in the 1977 case affirmed and medical records are private information. Your vaccine record is personal information four they’re not allowed to ask you if you were vaccinated or not. This would extend to business when they act like government actors

[MysteriousDarkness]

@Stoner710
Prove it.

[Levin]

Tis an experimental medical treatment.
Still in clinical trials.
Long term effects not known.
It's against the Nuremberg and any ethical code to coerce people to get an experimental treatment. As it is not to provide informed consent.

[kc_4308]

Facts

[kc_4308]

The gov will be controlling these sheep’s right into the slaughter house

[kc_4308]

I use to feel sorry for the sheep’s not anymore

[Stoner710]

@kc_4308 pretty much If these sheep want to live in an authoritarian dictator ship go for I’ll move to Japan

[Smashingdoozy]

It's not illegal for private businesses to refuse service. it's certainly not a HIPPA violation because they are not medical professionals.

[dillbill561]

It kind of is. It’s called discrimination, persecution and you will definitely go to jail if you try to stand on your ever fleeting rights

[Smashingdoozy]

No, it's not discriminations. As long as a business makes accomodations for those who cannot be vaccinated then they are well within their rights to refuse service.

[dillbill561]

Bunch of made up nonsense piled up... it is whatever they say it is or want it to be. Now if you want to do something they don’t like you are breaking the “law” however if they do something you don’t like then you’re a racist trumptard

[Smashingdoozy]

That doesn't even make sense. It's literally just not against the law.

[dillbill561]

It makes sense and further I’m sure u understand. Ur type is getting old and beyond anoyying. Please get a grip

[dillbill561]

People that say it doesn’t make sense do one of two things and I see this all of the time. On one hand you’re lying about understanding to save the effort of admitting being full of shit/wrong. On the other hand they are air heads that really don’t know how to read.
As you can see order is lacking and in either case this group of peoples does not have any qualifications to make statements and especially decisions for other people. They deserve the exact treatment which they are dealing out, which is horrible. I don’t wish to discuss it much further but you’re welcome to continue replying.

[Smashingdoozy]

😂 I literally fail to understand the point you're trying to make.

[dillbill561]

People getting in your face yelling about where is their mask, arresting eachother limiting them from public places (including corporations), the violence, lies, the inability to defend human rights and property. All of it is pure evil and let me tell you the science is all make believe. Most of these people eventually snap out of it and realize they were deceived. The whole thing is extremely evil and disrespectful.

[Smashingdoozy]

Lmfao ok buddy

[willyham2021]

@dillbill561 Your complete and abject failure to even understand EXISTING law make you ill equipped to speak on ANY of this. Just be quiet while the adults fix your mess.

[dillbill561]

Typical disrespect from the clueless swine. This is why we have such corrupt and horrible judges & law enforcement

[dillbill561]

You are both very sad

[Avicenna]

Does anyone think a Communist like DeBlasio cares about laws and rights or common sense?

[lovedejj_xo]

I was in NY last weekend when I went into a restaurant with my friends I was pretty aggravated when they made us show our vaccination cards then had the nerve to stare at it since we were out of state. If I didn’t make reservations I would have took my friend elsewhere.

[willyham2021]

Byyyyeeeeeee!! Literally, no one cares.

[lovedejj_xo]

Can I help you?

[worldscolide]

Well the democrats voted this tyrannical government in..

This is a gross violation of personal freedoms. And the truth of the matter is this, they won't be able to enforce it. Thank God I don't live there..

And before anyone bitches and says I'm antivax or something.. I'm vaccinated, by my own choice.

[worldscolide]

I'm pretty sure there was a case in 1977 which made it a violation to force people to show medical records.

[worldscolide]

I think it's time for some violent rebellion.

[supercutebutt]

I don't know why you are complaining. In some countries, stupid people are sent home to Jesus. In America, dumb people are allowed to flourish.

[jshm2]

The same way they accept only people who do not have a criminal record, and have a negative drugs test.

You are rather dimwitted to think such things are "illegal," when you know jack about anything, to deem legality.

[Stoner710]

It’s a violation of the right to privacy protected by the fourth amendment a 1977 case affirmed that your medical records are protected private information there for businesses cannot ask you for your protected private information this extends to vaccines. And the laws behind the constitution do not take a break just because there’s a pandemic

[JustAnj]

A drug test is not a medical condition it's you purposely doing drugs their is no correlation. They do not ask people if they have ever been vaccinated it's honestly ridiculous, the only form of safety for others is wearing a mask. If they are concerned for others and themselves then they should make it an obligation to wearing masks other than that it's pointless information.

[Anonymous]

Doctors recommend that people who have had covid, shouldn't get the vaccine. So I guess those people will be screwed in New York.

[blank_expression]

Thanks for reminding me, I had covid and now the anti-bodies. Had a personal friend have the same and then got the fake “vaccine” and he went through hell with 2-3x the symptoms as before. I am not sure it is over yet after almost a month.

[Opinion Owner]

@blank_expression

You should be eligible for an antibody passport, but of course they're not interested in that. They want everyone to take this bizzare vaccine. Some people think it's a sterility drug.

[blank_expression]

That is true; they are pushing this thing all the way. If one simply searches “mRNA dangers” (not on Google of course) one will find this thing is designed to slowly kill and destroy fertility. An ingredient within the “genetic therapy,” as properly labeled, is a material that causes “Magnetofection” and this overwhelms the natural immune system. I don’t know about all these vaxxers but I want to keep my immune system.

[Opinion Owner]

@blank_expression

If I can't use Google, then how should I search it?

[Omario2049]

And here it is. To all the nay sayers making fun or anti totalitarianism, here and now they show their true colors. They can't even get the FDA to approve their fucking bullshit not really a vaccine vaccine and now their moving to make it mandatory. That prick Mayor has never once spoken like someone who's job depended on votes, he always talks with the arrogance of a dictator.

[Anonymous]

Cuomo is trying to distract the public from the fact that he personally killed 10-20K senior citizens with his executive order. He is also under investigation for sexual assault and harassment of at least 6 of his female staff. As a Democrat, I have to ignore this and only attack Republicans but he is really a shit show

[RedFever]

How would something like this even be enforced? That's what I don't understand. Will there be a security guard standing at the main entrance asking for your "papers", and if you don't have them you will be turned away?

[ZackBan]

In paris they have an app where you scan a qr code once you're vaccinated and it generates a pass. And the pass is a qr code itself that security guard scans with his phone it shows him that you were vaccinated.

[rcljr]

Sue everyone that asks your vaxx status, bankrupt New York, it’s a shit hole anyways.

[CreamySeed]

Yes this should be illegal by all means it is ridiculous but not surprising at all considering all the lock down bull shit they did up there. I would never live in that shithole

[CreamySeed]

Since the vaccinated spew just as much virus as the unvaccinated how any of this makes sense is dumbfounding

[DarkWinterNights]

Everyone’s talking about how terrible this wave of medical “misinformation” is, but as long as you’re advocating for the vaccine it’s acceptable.

[robocop666]

this is illegal so they sue in international courts to make exceptions for vaccines. European court of human rights made this illegal but they overruled it.

Lots of legal battles and overruling laws to do this.

oddly they care more about vaccines than sex offenders. They don't have to scan anything to enter a bar.

[Lost_in_the_Woods]

That's fine.

This will backfire terribly.

People who don't have the vaccine will be made aware of which companies don't support freedoms and forced to shop at ones that do.

[karaspara]

Vaccine passports I guess they keep banging on about it here nobody seems to actually know how it would work and i'm sure they'd be easy to fake anyway

[Year3000]

Still weed out more than the honor system it takes time and money to make a vaccine card and legal risks. NYC is very grateful for this I live here.

[karaspara]

@Year3000 I'm sure but a good system needs to be prepared sooner rather than later I don't take COVID lightly we have the highest death rate in Europe here

[Year3000]

UK (not Northern Ireland) and Italy have most deaths I thought?

[karaspara]

@Year3000 I live in England

[Stoner710]

Yea here in the United States medical records are considered private information it’s not originally in there but a Supreme Court case in 1977 acknowledged that our medical history this includes vaccination is protected by the 4 amendment

[Year3000]

@Stoner710 not federally true, look at my city.

[TommyMountainFigure]

Proof you aren't going to pass the virus on to others is not a bad thing to demand. How they go about doing it is going to be difficult though.

[DWornock]

Whether or not you believe it is illegal to ask, is immaterial. Business can ask and they will not be prosecuted. You don't have to answer their questions.

[Stoner710]

You can sue it will go to the Supreme Court and given we have a conservatives majority on the bench we would win. It’s really either lockdown completely again or let people go about there normal lives. Lockdowns are legal asking if your vaccinated is not legal for businesses or government

[KrakenAttackin]

It's New York, a state run by idiot liberals, nothing has to make sense.

[midnightmoon05]

Damn... I can't set foot there again.

[Inexpensivefurniture]

I mean you can literally just google "is it a hipaa violation to ask for proof of vaccination" and in about.2 seconds you'll lean that it isn't

[exitseven]

Don't blame the storekeepers and restaurant owners. If they do not check vaccination status they will face severe fines and closure. It rests squarely on he politicians.

[Anonymous]

You never had a right to privacy. In truth, you never had any rights at all. You are a slave to the system and always will be.

[midnightmoon05]

Wise for a young lady.

[will34]

Don’t worry karma will come after them just like luka magnota

[Ryfyle]

Types like a man.

[kc_4308]

Correct their all sheep

[willyham2021]

You absolutely do! You can refuse to give your medical info, including your Vax status.

Wow! Almost like you have NO idea what you are talking about, how about that.

[cth96190]

The cognitive dissonance of the vaccine tyrants and their useful idiots.

[Pterodon]

It’s not a medical record. It’s just a card showing when you were vaccinated

[Stoner710]

that a record of your vaccination status which involves medical records. Tell me should my employer know if I got a flu vaccine or not or the local grocery store It is a violation of the 4th amendment Whalen v. Roe. 1977 the Supreme Court acknowledged that our medical records are protected by the fourth amendment now in that case. The 4th amendment would apply to businesses as well

[Pterodon]

It’s not a medical record. It’s proof of vaccination is all

[Anonymous]

it's going to be interesting. They really trying to bring to pass some real life Mark of the Beast shizzle. haha.

[willyham2021]

You are factually incorrect. It is NOT illegal for a store or some random peraon to ask to see your proof of vaccination status.

Just get the shots!!

[genericname85]

do you really think anybody cares about "human rights" or "what's legal". corona showed us that those things don't matter.

[Stoner710]

I think a lot of people do care about human right and what legal. Ron DeSantis in Florida is taking the opposite approach when it comes to Covid aka do what you want. He’s done other thing like an CRT and other far left subjections. Unfortunately the Democratic elected official I don’t think care about what legal or human rights since they clearly praise China violate the constitution and try to focus more of group identity then individuals

[genericname85]

not only do they praise china, they're blatantly copying chinas govnernance methods... china isn't the enemy. neo communists/socialists are.

[Stoner710]

China is the enemy but so is noe communist and socialist are

[genericname85]

Yeah sure china is the enemy xD but not any more or less than it always was :D though we fed them all the power by having literally all our technological production there. We were stupid enough to make ourselves depend on them

[princeofromance]

This is ridiculous. They are trying to force people to get vaccinated. I thought we lived in a free country. What are they going to do next? Keep you from seeing a doctor, unless you are fully vaccinated.