I (myself) have decided to go MGTOW as I feel that women don't know what they want. Women are also shallow. They will help or support a man but they want him for his assets. As Unplugged Male by Greg Cooper states "Men view women as sex objects however Women view men has success objects".
Especially with the divorce rates at a all time high, women cheat more than men and I have even noticed that in personal experience. It makes me feel and question the need for a woman. There more single mothers too. Meaning successful men over 30 will be left with someone else's responsibilities.
Women from another post I have seen on here SHOULD in my opinion ask the men. The feminist movement believe they are "strong independent Women" so therefore they should do the effort for & in the relationship. The guy's job should be to "have fun & hook up" END OFF.
Women are annoyed that this male movement is is gaining momentum. Yet men in the past have supported the rights of women. Yet ironically they don't support this.
So why I have gone in this direction? Firstly, men who go this way are NOT gay! (That's the myth too debunked). So here are the reasons below;
▪︎Women don't know what they want. ▪︎Women have made dating incredibly difficult. ▪︎Too many single mothers. ▪︎Women don't care about men & only the goods. Yet they will have either baggage or problems and expect men to accept them. ▪︎Most of the good one's have "come and gone". ▪︎Some Women have unreasonable & unrealistic expectations especially with the men they seek. Like a unemployed chick wanting a gym going successful guy. ▪︎Women take no accountability for the poor choices of previous relationships. ▪︎Too many unfaithful women. ▪︎The divorce rates are climbing (women)
So please feel free to fill out the poll & comment your opinions. Try to be respectful it's not like I have made a physical attack on you. This is a opinion and everyone is entitled to have one. Any personal attacks will be reported so tread carefully.
That’s why prostitutes exist and flourish, if regular women weren’t so neurotic, high maintenance, money hungry and demanding there would be no hookers.
@rcljr true, luckily it was once legal here in my state. but I still did not get caught when it became illegal and now that its decriminalized I dont have to try so hard
^^^^^ when you work with law enforcement you find out how confusing Things Are do you think I'm in the mood pick up with handcuffs on women trying to earn money what they do with their soul and their body is between them and God I do know this when you get into that kind of work seriously messed up your spirit and your mind so I consider this an OSHA issue you don't believe me look at the porno industry in Fernando Valley California every time does one person that has HIV how fast the state and OSHA jump into that trust me it is not you it is confusing
Law and women mindset. They don't commit they always think about better deal and monkey it. That's why guys turned into pump n dump and so many single mom out there. Funny pregnant single mom was asking ist ok to date while pregnant. TikTok exposed the chameleon
^^^ actually he has a point social media has exposed a lot of nasty human quality want to argue the feminist point with him be my guest but it's a pyrrhic victory it's a losing battle
I believe you are referring to Entrepreneurs in Cars, Richard Copper, correct? Unless there’s another copycat I’m unaware of which is totally common. Anyway, I caught some of Rich’s business related content way back when. Great business man, but *not* so great relationship prospect. Mgtow can do whatever they want and I’m absolutely fine with it. You’re not wrong for it. However… The fact is, there are women who know what they want, aren’t shallow, have appropriate expectations, are loyal, and don’t care about a man’s money, but they’re too smart to be checking for guys like Copper. They’re not going to be putting up with a guy who bashes the idea of marriage, obsesses over her past notch count or hypergamy, complains that she wants a career over babies, or everything else a woman wants to do in her life. They’re not interested in men who want the privileges of having a wife without actually marrying her. They know a long term relationship with a guy who possesses these mindsets are going to be miserable and set the relationship up for failure. So if going your own way seems like a good idea to you, I say go for it. It’s not a loss unless you adjust your attitude.
So basically, like Copper, you think men should just tolerate gold-digging and hypergamy? Essentially take our money and leave us for somebody even richer? Or am I not understanding your position in this? (I think the notch count stuff obsession really IS garbage and the career over babies thing should be negotiated in the beginning).
Men shouldn’t tolerate being used or mistreated. Set up boundaries of course. However, parts of that sphere are overly fixated on certain things women do, and they’re on defense mode constantly and it takes over their whole energy and persona. The thing Cooper is most known for is shitting on single moms. That’s not a good look for him.
You say "Men shouldn’t tolerate being used or mistreated" but originally you said, "They’re not going to be putting up with a guy who bashes the idea of marriage, obsesses over her past notch count or hypergamy, complains that she wants a career over babies or everything else a woman wants to do in her life."
I agree with you about the notch count and babies issues, but hypergamy and the behavior it entails includes gold-digging and cheating among other noxious behaviors. Do you think men should put up with these things or not? If yes, as you said originally, why? If not, why did you change your mind from what you said originally?
They shouldn’t tolerate it, but women shouldn’t tolerate a man with an unhealthy obsession over these behaviors either.
For example, a guy shouldn’t tolerate cheating. But he also shouldn’t be constantly bitching about his ex who cheated nor should he be constantly trying find out reasons to accuse her of cheating without solid evidence.
Gold digging is not ok. But if a woman is on a date and he refuses to pay the bill even though he asked her out because he “doesn’t like gold diggers” then that’s where it becomes ridiculous.
Most women expect men to pay for dates although they sometimes offer to pay as a test.
Hypergamy is the practice of staying with a man until a richer, better-looking, more attractive one comes along, at which point the woman either cheats on the one she was with originally or leaves him for the new guy.
What if she left one guy for another because they had better chemistry or just seemed like a better match? Would that be considered hypergamy? I wonder if these guys even think about that. Why do they always assume it’s all about money and looks?
A better match usually means money or looks or both. This is not always true but it's true often enough that men notice and comment on it frequently, which we would not do were it not a common occurrence. Women's behavior in this regard, along with their weaponization of the legal system, has led to a major decline in marriage and dating, and a significant increase in prostitution. Men, including me, don't feel safe with women.
The whole notch count thing is men's attempt to make predictions about a woman's future behavior. I don't think it works, but the fact that many men feel the need to do this speaks directly to their concerns about hypergamy.
I know it sounds crazy but there are women out there who just want to be with a pleasant man over a rich man. These guys aren’t pleasant, so they’re out. Don’t care how rich or good looking they are.
I think "pleasant" takes a back seat certainly to "rich", and in many cases to "good looking", at least in the short term. From a woman's point of view, she can easily marry a rich guy and cheat with a good-looking guy. Neither of them needs to be pleasant.
In the short term, that is more likely the case. However, it’s a bad strategy for a woman looking for a long term relationship, which eventually is most women at some point or another, just not when they’re 22. Of course these guys have a skewed perception of what women want…they’re only looking are immature girls who aren’t or, at best are just barely passable for grown ass women.
If these guys got over themselves and actually approached an adult women instead of college kids, they might realize it’s a different world. But if they think they’re too good for the “oldies” past age 25, fine. Just don’t complain when all they care about is his wallet.
So where does all this leave you? Do women bear any responsibility for these problems, or is it somehow all on men? Please look carefully at the responses you've received in response to this question.
Some men are, but it is greater than the number of women who ignore, friend zone, or flat out refuse to interact with all of their interested candidates? I have doubt there.
You might be right about that, but it has more to do with the differential endocrinology of men and women than anything else. Due primarily to hormonal differences, you can always find men in the unenviable position of begging for sex, but not much else.
Sorry but why should men go out with single mom's? You said "Men shouldn't tolerate being used or mistreated" however women who are single moms do that to single childless men.
The men in that situation have to shell out money for children who are & will never be theirs and who they will never respect. It is all the gratification of the women. Most single mom's also don't work so more pressure on the man.
Manipulation is more common from women who spring their baggage onto men.
One of the main reasons why many childless single men go MGTOW is to avoid that, to avoid single mom's who will use them & then move onto the next one or go back to the father.
Feminism unfortunately teaches women that they are greater than men not to show equality (which was why it was formed in the first place). Women I'm afraid have gone too much their own way and then complain why men go theirs.
If a man doesn’t want to be with a single mom because he doesn’t want to “shell out money” for children who aren’t theirs then he shouldn’t be. Smart women look for outstanding men who have a genuine interest in her and her children, with a good attitude about being part of the family, NOT a man who sees it as a burden. There are plenty of men willing and eager to be a part of her world as it is.
Given the scope of the societal changes and pressures on men, I understand why men would do this. I could have done this many times and if I think of it a little differently, I did this since I was around 9... ran away from women and making a family due to fear and shame. I only recently found a real girlfriend. It's not all roses, but it's lots of roses.
I think we need to evolve and adapt. Women still want and need us. They are strong, but they need emotional support, financial support, physical support, etc.. The women have evolved... why shouldn't we?
Rather than grasp to the BS of this moveent, we should craft a new vision for boys/men. We need more emotional support, encouragement, we may need legal protections. There are too many "homeless"/mentally ill and wounded men walking around without support. We just dump them on the streets after they fail. When a man is taken down in a relationship or divorce or job... whom does he go to for emotional support and understanding? So many commit suicide. Lets improve those stats. Men used to have a purpose (fight/protect/security) and it's changed, many men are lost. We used to have most of the power, now we don't. We need to revision ourselves and work on our emotional/character/integrity/responsibility development and training how to handle relationships. Women are different than we are and that's ok.
Should we adapt or run and hide in the rocks? I'd much rather see men adapt. At the end of the day, we are trying to find a mate to love, to have children with. We've always been the sacrafice... see nature... the males die for the family. Men who are doing things the "traditional" ways... and I see them in my girlfriend's family and others, they are doing well. I think it's the group who've been poorly trained emotionally, false expectations, or just unlucky with their mate... that are failing.
As a comparison... whoever Tom Brady plays for, everyone else will lose. So once he chooses his team, everyone else should quit cause they are gonna loose! That's not "men" talk is it? Is it that bad?
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Ah the subject of MGTOW. I’ve been married twice over my life and twice I had a cheating spouse. First let’s look at the options the Hope Strategy it’s basis is all women aren’t like that and you’ll find your unicorn. I’ve had many women I’ve had interest in that didn’t want to date me but they always had a special woman in mind. Let’s say this woman was usually 4-5 slots lower on the numerical scale. We can argue women all want the top twenty percent and engage sexually only with them but rarely marry them. Let’s just say I’ve seen plenty of women with ugly men and working Joe’s. I don’t regard MRA as a option they argue where women have the system locked down the courts. They have also been taken over by women’s influence. There is another aspect to MGTOW that’s rarely spoken of self improvement and financial independence. Obtaining women is a paradox improve yourself and you become a magnet to women. Women love security even more then looks. Don’t be fooled though a woman despite money will play in the fields with other men. All I’m saying is it improves attention towards you. It works the same as women prefer a man desires by another woman. Women are inquisitive they always ask why does girl X like that guy, what is it about him? MGTOW philosophy allows independence to reign, keep the no cohab, no kids and no marriage all else is possible. The occasional joke of your past regarding women’s traits sounds like a good laugh despite the pain but grow beyond it. It serves no purpose and will be your ruin. I don’t date women beyond 3 months without clear boundaries. They don’t accept I wish them well and move on. Keeping resentments is bad policy. Don’t mock or insult women the approach is for your improvement you withholding yourself will have zero effects on women’s life’s especially sexually. Men have way to many positives compared to women. First we don’t live on a sexual clock, second there is no expectation of presentation. This allows men’s aging to seem gracefully where a women seen without makeup is a shock. Men slim down do a little exercising they look good, women are expected to maintain youthful curves. I’ve never once in my life ever wished I were a woman.
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Dating absolutely sucks these days, I get it, especially with the prevalence of dating apps. There's hardly any "real" people on there, it's mostly just people looking for something temporary or looking for a hookup. But I don't believe that EVERY man and EVERY woman that's out there are looking for sexual or monetary gain from somebody. I do believe that there are still folks out there that genuinely want to fall in love and spend the rest of their life with a single other person regardless of wealth. I know I do, how much money my man makes really doesn't matter to me. Hell, and I am admittedly bragging on myself a little here, I've HELPED my boyfriend financially while he was trying to find a job. I will be able to support myself anyway after I finish school and I honestly wouldn't mind if my fella wanted to be a househusband as I really like working and making my own money. A lot and I mean A LOT of women these days are just looking for a free ride and don't want to put any effort in emotionally, spiritually, or financially into a relationship. I see men like you struggle with this and I wish my fellow ladies would "wisen up" and realize how wrong it is to take advantage of a man who truly only wants someone to love and to love him. I don't blame you for making this decision and I do hope you and the other tired men are able to meet a genuine woman.
You are a decent woman. Would you admit though that dating is harder for ugly men compared to ugly women? I am 30 and never had a girlfriend cause I'm ugly. Older men that are average and ugly always tell me how dating for average and ugly men was way easier back in the 90s and before that. Since social media exploded, even so many average and ugly women only want hot boyfriends.
@Steven8000 Unfortunately the majority of people these days are indeed hung up on looks. I guess I never was, my best friend has seen most of the guys I've been with and her and I have COMPLETELY different taste in men. The guy I'm with now isn't typically the type I go for physically but to me he's very handsome. Beauty is subjective as they say and I'm positive there's a woman who would love to look into your eyes every day. And shit you're a police officer? Girls go bananas for policemen.
@Steven8000 Women screw who they want, men screw who they can, it'll always be like that until you find the right woman or women change how they look at men.
I'm a security guard actually not a police officer. The stereotype of women wanting to date and hookup badly with a man in uniform, refers to the GOOD LOOKING MAN in uniform. You clearly saw my pic, yet you assume women will go"bananas" over me? You saw I'm ugly, yet you still say that? Are you making fun of me? Lol.
@yofuknutz I don't want a woman to be romantically and sexually involved with me for money. I want her to be romantically and sexually involved with me cause she actually wants to.
I fully agree with you. MGTOW is just a reaction to feminism and too many women being entitled and having sh*tty attitudes and using men like ATMs and guard dogs (especially the gross "bisexual" women; they're the worst of the worst).
I myself thought about MGTOW a lot. But that's the thing; there's nothing you need to do to go MGTOW. Just do it. I can't go full MGTOW because I still have hope that there's at least ONE - Literally just one - decent woman out there who'd like me. Among the thousands and thousands of feminist women who treat men like sh*t, yet still expect them to be grateful and kiss their feet and be slaves to them.
I don't dislike women as a whole, but it'd be foolish to not see entitled, awful women being more and more entitled and awful, nowadays. I can't imagine men are all innocent either; I'm willing to bet lots of men are soy boys, male feminists, or actual legitimate misogynists out there too. But since women hold all the cards in the dating game and men do not, that doesn't matter as much.
Yes, some men need to get their stuff together, but so do many women, yet these women will come with a mountain of baggage and still expect men to be healthy, well-adjusted, tall, rich, confident, and successful, in a society constantly trashing men left and right and telling them they're not allowed to express their emotions in any way or complain about it, or else they're "incels." FUCK OFF with that bullshit! A good man doesn't become jaded and bitter towards relationships overnight.
Like I said, I haven't "had my fill" of women and relationships yet to go full MGTOW. I still have hope that good unattached women exist out there. I know some on this site. But I fully get where MGTOW is coming from, so I guess you can say I'm a Man Working on Myself But Open to the Right Girl If She Exists (MWOMBOTTRGISE).
Marriage is an institution in which women entrap and enslave men physically and financially for life. The state acts as women's pimp and violence proxy against men. Marriage is state sponsored and managed prostitution. Men are only allowed to be aggressive or violent when sacrificing on behalf of women and or women's state sugar daddy. Men who act aggressively or with violence on their own behalf are the most hated of all. The recent bill to include women in the military draft has language that promises not to draft women into combat roles, thereby forcing men out of non-combat roles right to the front lines, with women taking the safe positions in the rear. Men pay the vast majority of alimony, asset division and child support. Men are the vast majority of victims of violence. Four times more men than women commit suicide each year. Men are the vast majority of education dropouts. Men are the vast majority of addicts. Men are the vast majority of homeless. Men are the minority of college graduates. Women file the vast majority of divorces. Men suffer the vast majority of combat related deaths and injuries. Men suffer the vast majority of workplace deaths. Men get far harsher sentences for equal crimes than women. Nearly everything on the earth and in earth's near orbit was designed, manufactured, built and maintained by men. All of the wars for our rights and freedoms were fought for and died for by men.
Priority for health, education and welfare is given to women.
Do not marry. Do not cohabit. False accusations will ruin your life, forcing you into despair and suicide. Women are not sugar, spice or anything nice.
The question is, and to be brutally honest, if you met these women's requirements and found dating a breeze, but you were still part of the same game, would you have a moral exception to it and choose not to date women?
To be honest, I think it's a misguided movement. We're all a product of what we focus on. If we focus on our lack of having, if we focus on negativity, it just reinforces it.
MGTOW is a natural means of empowerment to men who have given their all to finding a woman, but come out wanting. Surely it's a step up from giving their sense of self completely away in dating and pursuit of a woman.
You know, you can actually have meaningful relationships without playing the game. The primary problem is surely that you play the game, rather than taking yourself out of it.
Lastly, each person has to take responsibility for their lives. It's natural to want to blame others - it helps our ego, but ultimately, we hold responsibility for where we are in life and where we are headed. Don't get dejected about it, use it as a tool of empowerment. But yeah, stop playing the game.
Let’s set aside who is to blame for the social breakdown that is occurring. Yes, divorce can be highly lucrative for women depending on the state. Yes, radical feminism or ideology in general can wreck relationships. Yes, there are gold diggers and women who look to “upgrade.” That said, there are plenty of rotten men these days. There are abusive men. There are men who string women along without ever committing. The immature manchild is a thing. Average testosterone levels are alarmingly low among Western men in their 20s. Porn addiction and video game addiction damage many men. Men and women could go back and forth about who is worse all day long, but all of these are social forces beyond our control. For example, we have the destruction of community due to the rise of job insecurity and the pressure to be mobile for education and work, which greatly reduces the probability of having thorough knowledge of someone and his/her family prior to entering a romantic relationship with that person. That is horrible for relationships. It’s rough out there for both men and women, each in their own way.
Whether to go MGTOW should involve weighing two risks against each other and deciding which is greatest: 1) the risk of getting hurt by women and 2) the risk of growing old alone having missed out on love. My advice is not to focus on the former to the extent that you disregard the latter. Try to approach the decision without bitterness or cynicism so you can be clear-headed about it.
I say this as someone who was horribly treated during a marriage and divorce. I decided to give it another shot and I am glad I did. There are plenty of amazing women (loyal, not gold diggers, attractive, and kind) who just want a man who is mature and will treat them well. Some have children from prior relationships and some men have no problem with that. Some are childless, and this is becoming more the case these days. They are not all taken.
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It's a loser mindset fundamentally. That's the case because you're letting other people decide your agenda for you. And I think for a lot of MGTOW men, they just aren't being honest with themselves in terms of what they ACTUALLY want.
In particular, most men WANT to be in a relationship with a woman. They want it a LOT. At the very least they want to be having sex with a physically desirable woman on a regular basis. To try to pretend this isn't the case when it is, is the first fatal flaw of MGTOWism for the vast majority of its adherents.
As you've no doubt figured out, having regular sex with a desirable woman isn't an easy feat to achieve. But that doesn't mean that it makes sense to abandon the pursuit. To do so is the equivalent of giving up on striving of ANY kind. That's a fundamental mistake for a man to make. Better to pursue excellence, fail, get back up, and sort out how to improve and do better the next time. Indeed--that's what virtually EVERY man who has success with women (or success with any other worthwhile aspect of his life) has done.
So anyway, to answer your question is it "wrong" for a man to go the MGTOW route? No--that's his decision. But for most men it's a loser's path.
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That's probably simple reasons for MGTOW what about leaving husband for someone else just because he's good guy?
What about friend zoning good guys then riding the cock carousel and later asking where are all good men did go?
What about leaving men because they're loyal and faithful? That's true some women leaves men who are faithful and not cheating because they think if a man is loyal that he doesn't have options she will lose interest and start monkey branching.
Why the hell I would date such a creator why the hell I would share my resources with someone who thinks like that? She will brings nothing but pain and sadness. That's why so many guys turned savage and only pump n dump because women wants and think that's what right to them now days most women talk to 10-30 men daily they don't want to commit they want to experience the cock carousel but everything comes with cost later she will end up single mom. Till women change their mind and think differently and feminism take another turn we are all MGTOW forever
@beefy40 I'm willing to read any well-researched-and-written information that is revealed, but that piece right there is not good journalism or writing. This is where I can separate the wheat from the chaff and not waste time reading. It's filled with anecdotal stories, many based on tweets. It's really poorly constructed. Too much reading for too little conclusive evidence.
I have zero doubt that women also cheat. But it needs to be organized in such a way as to be meaningful.
In my opinion women don't get caught as much as men. From what I've seen, a woman can cheat with a 100 men and nobody says a word to her man, but if a man even flirts with a woman, it's like national headlines and everyone will go to the women. That's just an observation from backwater USA where I live. I'm always in trouble for what my bride considers flirting but I've never cheated and I wouldn't want to, one woman is enough for me and I love her enough not to even take a chance at losing what I have, ever. Plus I'm ugly and will never even get close to the beautiful woman that I have now.
@Shortman70 It's nice you appreciate your fiancée, but you shouldn't call yourself ugly. There's no need for that. 💐 I have no experience with that gossip and any inequity but I'll take your word for it. It is definitely something that happens in smaller communities. I like the anonymity of the city. People never smile here or say hello, which isn't great, but at least no one's talking behind your back either. I'm very against jealousy. I think it often speaks more of the person who is jealous, than necessarily the other. Some are territorial, anxious, insecure. Must be tough to deal with. If she was my girl friend I would suggest to her that unwarranted jealous and anxiety can end relationships. It's awful to be on the other side of that.
I said it before, and I’ll say it again. You want to go your own way, then go. No hard feelings. I totally understand why some people (both men and women) give up on dating. I get it. But when you spend time whining on the internet, spouting off about how crappy women are. You’re not MGTOW. You’re just a whiney bitch. Note to OP: I am not necessarily calling you a whiney bitch. However, if you spend time daily crying about how terrible women are, then yes, I’m talking about you too.
There's no quality woman out there they're rare. Today's women keep her choices open and monkey Branch that will make marriage and relationship Break easily.
Example if I have 3 cars let's say daily drive car stopped working properly I will park it and take the other cars that works. But if I didn't have those cars I would fix that car and make it work again.
That's good example what women do these days they talk to so many men so if she face problem even simple problem she will jump on another man with Time she depreciate and Lose value and become only good for smash n dash. So women must only stick with 1 man or else there's cost for that down the road
@Drzen When you believe women have a depreciating value, like she’s a owned piece of machinery, don’t be surprised if she doesn’t want to stick around with a guy like that. Stay with me or you’re a whore isn’t exactly endearing.
You do you, my friend. If you don't want to date women there is no problem. There are plenty of other options since women are all scum of the earth. People like you should be applauded for your bravery in standing up against being used by females. /s obviously
But seriously dude why do you hate women so much. If you don’t want to date them, I literally could not care less, but the fact that you had to make this whole post about the terrible things ALL women do shows how insecure you are in your decision. You are so delusional you have to make up this fantasy world where you are oppressed for being a man just to feel better about your pathetic life. Congratulations my friend. I hope you have a very miserable evening and an even worse year. :)
You know a long time ago there was a riot major maximum lock up penitentiary and the Warden of the jail says what is this all about so the leader of the riot says if you have to ask they're in for a long day another phrase to honey if you have to ask that means you can't afford it.
Oh so it's my fault because you're 19 and fucking stupid it's my fault that you can't keep up with my brain too fucking bad I think fast and powerful. Your generation is so stupid you need an app for everything. But hey don't let me stop you you guys are going just fine on your little bit of yourselves
Go ahead and say something stupid go ahead do you actually think that your advice was helpful to this person posting this or you we're being a feminist cunt. Now go back in the kitchen and make me a fucking sandwich knowing your generation you have to Uber order it.
Yeah and your generation listened to news on the radio instead READING a newspaper like previous generations. Your perspective is warped, my guy. I don't know why you think us having new technology is such a bad thing. Are you jealous that you’re too old to adapt to change? You make up these “facts” about how we need apps for everything but that’s really not true.
You really are a fucked-up feminist, aren't you that's why we're going to fucking line you motherfukers up against the wall first you mock me for being on this app now you're saying I'm not apparently if I'm on this app that means I know how use a technology unlike your fucked up generation My Generation has actually grateful to have this technology does the New Concept being grateful oh shut the fuk up! Do you for one fucking minute actually think your post has helped out this young man like I said.
Listen to me little girl you're going to have fun with the wrong person if and when that happens I want you 2 remember this conversation because let's face it people out here are losing their shit and that's some dip shit like you walking down the street with your feminist bulshit narrative and all that anger guess who's going to be the brunt of end of it? It ain't be me jackass that's for sure you want a piece of me come up to the center of Belmont that's where I am asshole.
@lavenderluna You say: "Yeah and your generation listened to news on the radio instead READING a newspaper like previous generations" -- Not really. I was collecting newspaper clippings in the 70s and 80s. And everybody was reading printed news daily even in the 90s. Circulation was over 65 million in the 80s. Basically 99.9% of households. Now it's down to 23 million-ish and the number of households has gone up to 128 million. What people used to do was listen to the radio, watch TV news AND read newspapers/magazines.
What do they gain by insults? I’m not telling guys to be simps just listen don’t like what your hearing move on. It’s a first date good lord enjoy the scenery. Battling to make statements to people we don’t even know for what purpose. A guy can still hold to principles but not have to have a placard behind him. I’ve been on plenty of dates where I met total babes yet knew then wasn’t going to happen. Yet we both had a great time. You ask her out men you pay for dinner.
Emphasizing that you don’t care about something too much shows that you care about it a lot. So, i don’t these are helpful. When i read about who strongly believe to this or any other they are full of hatred. Why should i be like the women he encountered in his life? Yeah in these life there are too many bad men and women. You must always be cautious in your life and when you see and recognize them you can Choose not to talk them. But because just i am women ‘’ you are like this, like this’’ is not meaningful for me. Everyone has their life experiences, character vice versa.
MGTOW isn’t necessarily wrong. It’s just not ideal. While I agree with most of your points consider this… women are the more valuable gender if we’re honest. Men value them but women don’t value men. Women can give birth men can’t and yes I know they need man sperm but that’s on the way out too. And the fact is men are built to protect women to support. When the shit hits the fan and the remaining first world countries fall women will understand suffering and will seek men for their physical capabilities again.
Besides this let’s be honest… how often do you go to the gym? What do you wear in public? How do you behave? Men think cause their single and can’t find a girl their all trash and never fix these things about themselves.
I think both men and women are trash. I hate them all but I respect individuals that earn my respect regardless gender.
The men who start out in MGTOW are often very bitter, very hurt, and very angry at the pack of lies they were told all through their formative years. And they vent. A lot.
But the next step of MGTOW is to develop one's own talents, one's own skills, one's own hobbies. And not doing any of this because the ladies might like it, but for its (and their) own sake. And once the men have achieved this, they are much better off, even in terms of attracting women! ]
But the key point is that men have to do this for themselves, not for any woman. And focusing upon and developing themselves IS a good thing, assuming they are serious about it. (yes, there are unserious MGTOWs, who just vent ad nauseum. But everyone starts there.)
I am not MGTOW, but I definitely believe in most of their philosophy.
. No marriage. No cohabitation. . Limited to no girlfriend, just friends. . No consequences for false allegations . Feminism is no longer necessary. . Most feminist dogma is Marxist.
That said, there are both nasty and toxic and men out there. There a lot of reasons to avoid a good many men. The crucial difference is that the government is not protecting men the same way as women, and if a man gets mad, it will never end up with the authorities showing up over a false allegation, which are way, way more than statistics lie about.
The mgtow thing reminds me of those internet trolls on gaming forums who make "I quit" posts but then don't actually quit. It's even in the name: men 'going' their own way - not men 'who have gone' their own way. They are in a constant state of announcing their departure but without ever actually leaving. It is an attention seeking thing, the purpose of which is not to seek the attention of women to compromise with but to seek the attention of other men and inject into the narrative a suggestion to vote against the rich paying the poor a fair wage. It is weird how much nonsensical controversy would evaporate from our world if the rich just abruptly decided to pay their employees instead of paying to keep that narrative spinning.
You can be angry and take your ball home all you want but living life with any meaning takes risk of being hurt. Just treat women like a normal person and you're already 10 steps ahead from the vast majority of society.
Maybe work on building a or any relationship from the ground up without assuming anything. Big thing is just talking things through. Honestly what is a date but talking and what is dating a lot more talking. What's a bromance? Bros endlessly talking. Have a conversation. That's the name of the game.
Wowww... i think problem with our society nowadays is generalising on and by either sides The kind u mentioned definitely exist but not all women are like that in a similar manner when this feminist crap made even nice n decent guys cautious n afraid of being friendly There are always going to be good n bad, exploiting n submissive persons whether men or women but that doesn't mean we only focus on the problematic men n women... why can't we just focus on the good men n women n come up with something against opportunists together as a society
@msc545 , yeah, and im done dangling my balls over a bear trap, which is exactly what your doing every time you date. Is she sane, is she not? Is she lesbian, is she not? Do I hold the door for her, or do I not? If I do will she be offended and cry rape. If she’s not satisfied with the dinner will she cry rape? Naw, no thanks, I’ll stick with hookers.
@rcljr you dont sound so good to hookers too U sound more like the guys who come to us n r always angry about everything in the world n when they dont see real joy on our faces they ask if we have ever had better than them n expect us to say n tell them how they were our best n how we will miss them... I hope u become a happy person
@yofuknutz n even if they go to a proper club they can't enter the vip area let alone touch a stripper/prostitute like me... they can only see us from a distance n bite their fingers
@rcljr awww did u ever hold 2500 altogether in ur hands lol N oh just to touch my tits for like a couple of secs when i work the tables one needs to pay at least 20 quids lol... For 1.25 n that too dollars u won't even see me in the album
@yofuknutz well i dont work off the streets plus i work only in vip section of the club n all members have to follow some strict rules including health check reports so its taken care by the club for both the client n us
@msc545 MGTOW and can’t tell the difference. I certainly can. I also don’t think endless yapping on women’s flaws is good business. Not all MGTOW’s don’t want to take Willy out for a walk occasionally I certainly do. Like many older Gen X’ers I wanted to be like my parents just not that way anymore. Most women don’t require some secret investigation just put the rope on the table and she’ll talk herself into the noose most likely no help from you. She starts going on about women’s rights, degrees and fair distribution let her speak uninterrupted. I say buy her dinner, be a gentlemen. Rude why? I’m not marrying them I already know if physical possibilities won’t happen in future move on. I also feel if women want results first thing they should do is burn that requirement list many seem to have. Jesus Himself couldn’t make that cut.
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