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I voted "C" because I couldn't care less about MGTOW. I couldn't vote "B" because MGTOW shouldn't need "directions" to "go their own way." If you're "going your own way," then you choose and direct your own path. I couldn't vote "A" because women still play a major role in their lives.
Determining whether MGTOW are "going their own way" depends on how one defines "going their own way." Under normal circumstances, the phrase "going their own way" is vague because one can interpret it in various ways, such as freely making one's own decisions. MGTOW, however, define the term based on their decision to avoid intimate relationships with women entirely. Regarding such a definition, many MGTOW do "go their own way" because they oppose relationships. However, despite avoiding and opposing relationships, many MGTOW are not truly happy with their decision, as they often still complain about women and feminism online instead of enjoying their single life. Additionally, the decision to become MGTOW often stems from negativity rather than a true desire to be single. For example, many MGTOW experienced rough breakups, child support payments, and divorces, often based on their own lack of wisdom and decision making when choosing partners.
MGTOW also "go their own way" because they lack confidence around women and struggle to form relationships with them instead of learning how to be more confident and socially skillful. All in all, MGTOW mainly "go their own way" because they can't have their own way. Many MGTOW often have an entitlement mentality, where they demand relationships and sex from the most attractive women without realizing that women have options as well. Their demands are often based on the belief that they're "nice guys" or "good men," which should be enough to establish a relationship. However, such men fail to realize that relationships are mostly based on sexual attraction and they often lack the social skills and sex appeal to form relationships with beautiful women that have several options of men to choose from. Thus, instead of actually working on improving that sex appeal and social skills, they rather spend much of their time online complaining about feminism and women, making themselves even more miserable in the process.
I don’t think they’re really going anywhere since the “movement” seems to exist only on the net. I feel the same as I do when someone announces leaving social media and someone else chimes in with “this is not the airport, you don’t have to announce your departure.” Just go already, nobody’s going to stop them. We don’t need to hear the same points every day. Go forth, be happy with whatever choice you make.
Yes, they are. The men who are truly MGTOW do not talk about women or bring them up much. You wouldn't even know they were MGTOW unless it came up in conversation. Then there's the online people you talk about.
And you have a valid point; they may be MGTOW, but they keep talking too much about women, when MGTOW is supposed to be putting marriage and relationships out of your mind and letting go of women. Sure, you can talk about how marriage is risky for men or how messed up the divorce process is for men. That's all fine; educate and warn others not to fall victim to what they went through.
But I'm talking about the ones you implied to speak of, speaking about how women are evil and such. Actual legit MGTOW's don't talk about women being "evil," but they will bring up female nature (as in, behaviors and patterns that women do that has been psychologically proven; often times in negative connotations, though). Yeah, THOSE guys who are obsessed with women, need help letting go, so I'd say option B is the most accurate choice here.
You may be right about them being obsessed with women, but your lack of sympathy only proves them to be right as well. You come off mocking them, when it reality, you're no more independent than they are, both projecting and being the thing you hate about them. You're pointing out the worst examples of MGTOW men and trying to paint the image (that you, kinda admit, you have no real insight about) that all MGTOW are like the YouTube whiners. That simply isn't true. But yes, if it was true, you'd have a point.
I'm not MGTOW, but I get it. I think I'm half MGTOW, if anything. I'm not giving up on women entirely, but I know I have better odds winning the lottery three times in a row than finding my "unicorn" (high quality loving woman).
They are certainly not going their own way.
They talk more about women (and how evil they are) than those, who are not MGTOW.
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1. Why do women always write these ranty posts about MGTOW? Like bro, leave them alone, are they not irrelevant to you? "Angry old men who can't get laid." Which leads me to...
2. It can be difficult to go your own way when leaving the rat race is seen as a threat to the system/women. *Insert the FLAK over the target adage here* Mens conferences getting shut down or threatened, mens forums getting shut down, ("r/MGTOW was rrrrrrrriddled WiTh MiSoGyNY!!!") governments threatening penalties for men who refuse to get married. Sounds like the opposite is actually happening. People won't leave THEM alone.
3. The beauty of MGTOW is, you'll never know who is one. And thanks to goofy smears like this, you make such decisions worth it.
"Women are not objects!" Yet at the first sign of resistance "You can't get laid!"
Gives me a chuckle every time. by the way, have you ever seen a vagina and uterus outside of the body? Like up close? Everyone should... its epiphany inducing.
I think that the issues on both sides are not as wide spread as both sides think when it comes to many issues. The internet especially on social media has a megaphone effect. It makes it seem like a small group seems like a big group angrily yelling about something when the actual number of people is lower then a lot of people think. Simply because the megaphone effect is blowing things out of proportion.
Also I think a big issue we are running into is individuality. Act as if they are speaking for their side or other side of a issue when arguing about various topics. This problem pop's up in sex based issues. You can't speak for all men or women and expect such an ides to be taken serious. Yet some people do and continue to do so. People that do so tend to get angry when their side or the other side of a argument.
So it can seem like many people are simply part of a hive mind and unable to think for themselves. Because people can get so caught up in being part of a given group I wonder of they can separate their individual self from the group. It also makes me wonder how well they know they know themselves.
Without firm moderation, most Internet forums will end up with plenty of toxic or nonsensical posts. A concept like MGTOW is bound to attract a number of men who are embittered toward women, after all. That said, there probably are some men who are really “going their own way.” I have met some, mainly men who got taken to the cleaners in divorce who decided they didn’t want to risk losing what they had left. I’m sure there are men who have found the MGTOW forums and are dedicated to refraining from vulnerability to women.
I understand from personal experience divorcing a narcissistic woman and losing nearly all that I had in the process that there are risks in relationships. Awareness about how to spot people with personality disorders, detect patterns of abuse, and other bad behavior would be constructive for men and women alike. The problem I see with MGTOW is that it is peddling an unbelievably cynical view of relationships to young men. It focuses on the risk of being harmed by women to the exclusion of considering the risk of aging alone and never finding love. Many of these young men will miss out on fulfilling relationships with women.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for the venom in your question, nor for your biased list of answers to choose from.
What is wrong with men talking about the things/behaviour that repelled them from pursuing women? There are many more online forums in which women denigrate men. Or is it that you think only women should get to talk about men negatively?
There also many online forums where people discuss negative experiences which are helpful to others (toxic relationships, abuse, etc.) To put my reaction to the way you phrased your question here. Let me ask another example question: "Why do people who were in abusive relationships share their stories online and say so many negative things about their abusers? If you can't handle a person like that, just shut up and go away instead of teaching ignorant people that such behaviour is not okay (and ruining the chances of abusers getting one of these ignorant people to date/marry them".
I'm not MGTOW, but I know someone who is. And "getting laid" is far from his daily concerns. He has made the decision to go his own way because of a very negative experience he had with someone he was in love with that manipulated him for years. He keeps to himself, but he has the right to discuss it online if he wants, as it will help other men in a similar situation get out before it scars them. People have a right to share their negative experiences (or any experiences really). You not being happy about that does not make it wrong, nor does it devalue their opinions.
MGTOW is - a process.
The men who start out in MGTOW are often very bitter, very hurt, and very angry at the pack of lies they were told all through their formative years. And they vent. A lot.
But the next step of MGTOW is to develop one's own talents, one's own skills, one's own hobbies. And not doing any of this because the ladies might like it, but for its (and their) own sake. And once the men have achieved this, they are much better off, even in terms of attracting women! ]
But the key point is that men have to do this for themselves, not for any woman. And focusing upon and developing themselves IS a good thing.
Do you think their arguments are without merit? Sure mgtows tend to be whiny cunts but the fact is their not wrong about women a lot of the time. Besides this mgtows a stepping stone to self empowerment. I’ve moved between all the pills several times and decided fuck the labels. Fact is marriage fails more often then it succeeds and fact is when marriage fails it’s almost always men paying for it while women benefit. More facts are wome. Wanna be independent and don’t “need a man” or want for that matter… they wanna be hard asses having their own money and starting fights meanwhile they think a mans not a man when he don’t pay for dates and fails to win said fights she’s started… I’ve decided I want kids. I’ll tolerate a woman who’s what I’m looking for for this and risk the punishment that follows but I won’t marry. If I die alone oh god damn well… ide say I’m MGTOW because I choose how much commitment I give not you and I won’t live for you like a simp even if it means being alone. As cruel as it is to say if women disappeared today the world would still run for years… if men disappeared within weeks even days the world would suffer catastrophic failure with loss of electricity, gas, oil, and a majority of the security positions that keep women safe from others including wildlife. It’s obvious who’s the stronger gender right now and who’s more important. It’s equally unfair if men want their own offspring they have to tolerate women at the same time. Welcome to the real world.
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The Men who are truly 'going their own way' you will not hear from as they just get on with their lives , the ones who you say 'because all they ever talk about online is how evil women apparently are' are those guys who have been dragged through a divorce they did not want and had everything they worked had to build Family, Home, Lifestyle etc totally ripped apart by a court system that does not grant them any favours.
The Men who are truly 'going their own way' that you do not hear from are the majority, they have simply performed a risk/benefit analysis and decided that marriage/family life is not for them at this time, it is not set in stone. If they meat a women that they feel has the same values as the they may pursue a relationship with that person.
So please stop tarring all with the same brush.
"because all they ever talk about online is how evil women apparently are"
Women talk about men all the time, gossip about penis size and subreddits like female dating strategies discuss how to destroy men's lives. But God forbid if men DARED to talk about female nature and spread awareness to younger men who are naive and easier to manipulate by women. That's a huge red flag. When women do it it's fair play. When men do it its sexism. Man-hating subreddits are just fine and without any bans and restrictions. The MGTOW subreddit was first quarantined and then banned entirely. Women are the epitome of double standards. If there is someone here who is bitter then that's women like you. A 29 year old who has been replaced by the new generations of fresh young sluts, asking where all the good men are. Like every post-wall slut.
The first thing you need to realize is that MGTOW is a response to the behavior of women. Were you ladies so naive as to think that after decades of women abusing the family court system that men would not adapt and respond?
These guys come in all ages from teenage years all the way up to senior years.
And this may come as a shock to you but there are indeed many women who are cruddy people.
What Red Pill men and MGTOW mostly are doing is teaching each other about how to recognize and avoid bad women and the scams they run on men.
You might want to get used to it because it has spread too far to ever be stopped.
My impression of the MGTOW movement is that they very much are actually going their own way. The entire point of the movement is to get other men to live on their own terms. So that can mean everything from not marrying women (on the toxic end) to quitting their jobs to start their own business (on the healthy end). MGTOW and the "Manosphere" are being polluted by the InCels and "Rational Male" types, who are more interested in shit talking women than improving themselves. There's definitely a lot of anti-woman sentiments (a shocking amount, actually, I've been digging into these guys for a few months now), but most of the Manosphere is made up of guys who just seem to be trying to help other men improve their lives.
MGTOW here. Its kinda like the male version of feminism. There are crazies in this group, and the sane ones know when to stay away from them. A lot of us, though, realize we have been dealt a really bad hand, and that society needs a cultural shift away from some of the more traditional ways. I look how feminism broke out of their traditional roles, and I want men to also break out of their traditional roles. That means to never get married, do not be women who are manipulative, lying scumbags, and to improve ourselves through study, personal growth, careers, etc. To me, there are decent women out there, but the way society looks at men, I'd rather not be a part of that.
Tired of women getting pregnant to have a kid they don't actually give a damn about and then run to divorce court and run off with the cumulative wealth of the marriage. Every man now aware divorce courts are RARELY in a mans favor. It sucks that if it comes down to divorce men gotta show all the recepts from the ENTIRE marrage just to get a fair verdict that yes in deed the man is paying for everything and that the woman doesn't just deserve to rip away all the wealth. Like guys have to have women sign LEGAL papers just to get married if there's a major wealth difference between them. Telling the wife LEGALLY if they divorce there is a set amount of the established family wealth they will get IN ADVANCE of the potential divorce.
And thats not even getting to the fact men are asking BEFORE that for women to make consent videos out of fear being the next #Metoo guy.
Most are not doing it fully because they're hating on women, although when feminism was spreading a few years ago just before Trump was elected, we had a very valid reason to engage with them and push back on them as they were actively trying to make our lives worse and slashing funding for mental health institutions while also covering up abuse that frequently happens in such institutions. Then with the cherry on top, advocating for permanent unconditional holdings in the institutions and permanent stripping of their constitutional rights if and when they get out after being admitted for suicidal tendencies. So yeah, we fought back on them and we won, now feminism is on it's dying breath and draws laughter whenever the movement is brought up to just about anyone.
I would never describe myself with any label , single by choice , and made a decision off my own back , that will keep me single permanently , I am a single dad of 2 teens , soon to be one , as my recently turned 18 son , is starting university shortly. If men keep bitching about women , then they are not truly " going their own way " , as women still have a hold on them mentally. I have been scarred mentally by the marriage I ended , and I simply cannot be bothered with " dating " ...& stand no chance in the male heavy sausage fest dating market. Prefer to keep to myself , & do my best for my 2 , also have a daughter , 15 , no misogyny here , I get on better with her than my son.
Of course not
Me, I'm volunterily celibate, I could date but who wants a guy who is rapidly declining health-wise (luckily not cognitively because I'd have removed myself from the gene pool not that I plan to ever be apart of it anyway as too much of this shit is hereditary)
Add that to a large workload to make up for the time I can't work and there just isn't the time... the only upsides are that you can do whatever you want so smoking cigars and taking mid-afternoon scotches is only helping to speed up my inevitable fate as well as being able to work for very little financial compensation because I'll be dead before I could pay a mortgage and won't have a partner or children to care about or bequeath my worldly possessions to
Here's the thing girlie; to men, women are like a drug. We always have a deep inner urge to want to be with a woman, despite it not always being in our best interest. It's not all that much different from someone who's had heroine. So imagine mgtow groups as if they were a rehab group, all quitting the harmful drug that is women. To stay sober, it helps to talk with fellow former addicts and share stories and experiences. If people really wanted to mope about being alone they'd do it in incel or foreveralone forums.
I think MGTOW is the frustration of a lot of men who were made to believe things were a certain way but isn't. The term "red pill rage" comes from this and many men move on and actually go their own way - as in, finding a purpose or focusing on something that gives them meaning. Some end up dating again. But I don't think it's a bad movement by any means. A lot of the community is stuck on bashing women but there is some truth to what they say.
u one thing is for sure...
they all go to the same "safe place" from where they can whine like absolute mitches and non-stop
so it's just time for a new set of letters
MGTTSPTWLLM... Mitches Going To Their Safe Place To Whine Like Little Mitches... which they absolutely are
Some MGTOW have platonic relationships with women, while others keep transactions strictly commercial, with sex workers. But what you notice about all of them is that they never stop talking about women.
The sad sacks of MGTOW, presenting their fear and loathing of women as a political manifesto have a general anxiety about women... and that anxiety is widespread, mainstream and real.
Anyways I voted "C"
Meh, though MGTOW in general don't put women up on a pedestal or waste out time and resources on them, it's only a visible minority for whom it has anything to do with hate.
How about an analogy... Just because I'm not interested in taking out a 6 year loan at $400 a month for a 2003 Civic with 300k miles on it, doesn't mean I hate rice racers. It does, however, make it good clean fun to roast the used car salesman who thinks someone will jump at that deal :p
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