I voted "C" because I couldn't care less about MGTOW. I couldn't vote "B" because MGTOW shouldn't need "directions" to "go their own way." If you're "going your own way," then you choose and direct your own path. I couldn't vote "A" because women still play a major role in their lives.
Determining whether MGTOW are "going their own way" depends on how one defines "going their own way." Under normal circumstances, the phrase "going their own way" is vague because one can interpret it in various ways, such as freely making one's own decisions. MGTOW, however, define the term based on their decision to avoid intimate relationships with women entirely. Regarding such a definition, many MGTOW do "go their own way" because they oppose relationships. However, despite avoiding and opposing relationships, many MGTOW are not truly happy with their decision, as they often still complain about women and feminism online instead of enjoying their single life. Additionally, the decision to become MGTOW often stems from negativity rather than a true desire to be single. For example, many MGTOW experienced rough breakups, child support payments, and divorces, often based on their own lack of wisdom and decision making when choosing partners.
MGTOW also "go their own way" because they lack confidence around women and struggle to form relationships with them instead of learning how to be more confident and socially skillful. All in all, MGTOW mainly "go their own way" because they can't have their own way. Many MGTOW often have an entitlement mentality, where they demand relationships and sex from the most attractive women without realizing that women have options as well. Their demands are often based on the belief that they're "nice guys" or "good men," which should be enough to establish a relationship. However, such men fail to realize that relationships are mostly based on sexual attraction and they often lack the social skills and sex appeal to form relationships with beautiful women that have several options of men to choose from. Thus, instead of actually working on improving that sex appeal and social skills, they rather spend much of their time online complaining about feminism and women, making themselves even more miserable in the process.
I don’t think they’re really going anywhere since the “movement” seems to exist only on the net. I feel the same as I do when someone announces leaving social media and someone else chimes in with “this is not the airport, you don’t have to announce your departure.” Just go already, nobody’s going to stop them. We don’t need to hear the same points every day. Go forth, be happy with whatever choice you make.
Exactly. They announce it with trumpets, and then they decide to just hang around anyway and not go.
@ChrisMaster69 Yes, it most definitely is yet another "American thing", because where I live no one seems to know about it.
@CasaNorba the irony of that statement - it’s an online moanment and if I leave the house more I would find out, sure going online is the only way to hear about MEOW.
@CasaNorba first off I don’t kiss online, I chat, interact and have a laugh, you know having fun, laughing the stuff normal people do.
I do actually leave the house lol, it may be where you are, here casual sex has never been a problem for proper men, the ones that ‘like having a laugh, use a bit of respect, don’t mind if a girl has a career, don’t mind if she’s got tattoos, piercings, likes to do fun stuff like mountain biking, sea kayaking, going to the pub, basically have fun’.
Possibly if you tried having fun rather than being as toxic to anyone that does not believe in hating women, you might have a decent female filled life.
News flash life’s hard, getting dates can be hard, however yeah people do date, do have casual sex, mainly those that don’t hate women.
The majority of your lot as seen on here come over as borderline rapists. That’s the reason most guys step in on here, you think nothing of ganging up on one girl and being all rapey.
When I first joined in February this year, hardly anyone said boo to someone from MEOW, now in most threads with them and Incel terrorists, you see more and more comments about just a bunch of guys who moan like fuck.
Which let’s face it you do.
I never went seeking out you, you found me to have a moan at.
@CasaNorba you know that humour thing, it was obviously not real lmao.
You are still coming over as a guy that just likes to bleat and moan about hard life is, well yeah life is.
The thing is real guys don’t bleat to the world about how butt hurt they are.
If you moaned like this at my local pub, guys would piss themselves laughing at you.
Seriously, when I joined here, I asked a bunch of mates about some of these bollox American terms, no one knew what they meant, follow a lot of googling and everyone pretty much said same thing, a bunch of losers that constantly need to moan about how shit they are as people.
I come from a city that is classed as one of the best party cities in Europe, it has a brilliant nightlife.
Even with huge unemployment, people are positive, friendly and love having fun, yes we all fuck around, lots of casual sex, life is for living.
Also stop using ‘the West’ Europe is not as butt hurt as American guys.
I have never seen a MEOW person on here show anything but hate towards women, the favourite sport seems to be bullying them until they leave.
Have you ever asked a real girl on here what a toxic place you make the site?
A bunch of sad irrelevant butt hurt bullies.
Yes okay MEOW guys exist, you do not need to keep dropping in to questions just to cry about it and abuse girls.
Yes, they are. The men who are truly MGTOW do not talk about women or bring them up much. You wouldn't even know they were MGTOW unless it came up in conversation. Then there's the online people you talk about.
And you have a valid point; they may be MGTOW, but they keep talking too much about women, when MGTOW is supposed to be putting marriage and relationships out of your mind and letting go of women. Sure, you can talk about how marriage is risky for men or how messed up the divorce process is for men. That's all fine; educate and warn others not to fall victim to what they went through.
But I'm talking about the ones you implied to speak of, speaking about how women are evil and such. Actual legit MGTOW's don't talk about women being "evil," but they will bring up female nature (as in, behaviors and patterns that women do that has been psychologically proven; often times in negative connotations, though). Yeah, THOSE guys who are obsessed with women, need help letting go, so I'd say option B is the most accurate choice here.
You may be right about them being obsessed with women, but your lack of sympathy only proves them to be right as well. You come off mocking them, when it reality, you're no more independent than they are, both projecting and being the thing you hate about them. You're pointing out the worst examples of MGTOW men and trying to paint the image (that you, kinda admit, you have no real insight about) that all MGTOW are like the YouTube whiners. That simply isn't true. But yes, if it was true, you'd have a point.
I'm not MGTOW, but I get it. I think I'm half MGTOW, if anything. I'm not giving up on women entirely, but I know I have better odds winning the lottery three times in a row than finding my "unicorn" (high quality loving woman).
My "lack of sympathy" stems from the fact they're full of hatred for approx. half of the world's population. Call me weird, but I naturally recoil from people who hate me simply because of who I am.
@rachelspiks
Well, again. You're getting an inaccurate picture of MGTOW, only looking at the loudest and most vocal of them. At the very least, do you feel similarly to feminists, who hate half the world's population (along with half of all women, who happen to be more attractive than them and don't hate men)? And can you at least admit that some of their hatred is understandable, even if it's a bit extreme?
nope gotta warn the others lol
read the bible dude
They are certainly not going their own way.
They talk more about women (and how evil they are) than those, who are not MGTOW.
That image sums it up perfectly, and is exactly what I had in mind when I asked the question.
Yep. It is visually documented.
Thanks for the most helpful opinion 😘
For real? Pinks downvote me? 🤦♀️
Bet they like being mistreated and abused.
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1. Why do women always write these ranty posts about MGTOW? Like bro, leave them alone, are they not irrelevant to you? "Angry old men who can't get laid." Which leads me to...
2. It can be difficult to go your own way when leaving the rat race is seen as a threat to the system/women. *Insert the FLAK over the target adage here* Mens conferences getting shut down or threatened, mens forums getting shut down, ("r/MGTOW was rrrrrrrriddled WiTh MiSoGyNY!!!") governments threatening penalties for men who refuse to get married. Sounds like the opposite is actually happening. People won't leave THEM alone.
3. The beauty of MGTOW is, you'll never know who is one. And thanks to goofy smears like this, you make such decisions worth it.
"Women are not objects!" Yet at the first sign of resistance "You can't get laid!"
Gives me a chuckle every time. by the way, have you ever seen a vagina and uterus outside of the body? Like up close? Everyone should... its epiphany inducing.
Okay, whatever.
"... governments threatening penalties for men who refuse to get married"
Like where? That's news to me.
I think that the issues on both sides are not as wide spread as both sides think when it comes to many issues. The internet especially on social media has a megaphone effect. It makes it seem like a small group seems like a big group angrily yelling about something when the actual number of people is lower then a lot of people think. Simply because the megaphone effect is blowing things out of proportion.
Also I think a big issue we are running into is individuality. Act as if they are speaking for their side or other side of a issue when arguing about various topics. This problem pop's up in sex based issues. You can't speak for all men or women and expect such an ides to be taken serious. Yet some people do and continue to do so. People that do so tend to get angry when their side or the other side of a argument.
So it can seem like many people are simply part of a hive mind and unable to think for themselves. Because people can get so caught up in being part of a given group I wonder of they can separate their individual self from the group. It also makes me wonder how well they know they know themselves.
Without firm moderation, most Internet forums will end up with plenty of toxic or nonsensical posts. A concept like MGTOW is bound to attract a number of men who are embittered toward women, after all. That said, there probably are some men who are really “going their own way.” I have met some, mainly men who got taken to the cleaners in divorce who decided they didn’t want to risk losing what they had left. I’m sure there are men who have found the MGTOW forums and are dedicated to refraining from vulnerability to women.
I understand from personal experience divorcing a narcissistic woman and losing nearly all that I had in the process that there are risks in relationships. Awareness about how to spot people with personality disorders, detect patterns of abuse, and other bad behavior would be constructive for men and women alike. The problem I see with MGTOW is that it is peddling an unbelievably cynical view of relationships to young men. It focuses on the risk of being harmed by women to the exclusion of considering the risk of aging alone and never finding love. Many of these young men will miss out on fulfilling relationships with women.
I'm not sure I understand the reason for the venom in your question, nor for your biased list of answers to choose from.
What is wrong with men talking about the things/behaviour that repelled them from pursuing women? There are many more online forums in which women denigrate men. Or is it that you think only women should get to talk about men negatively?
There also many online forums where people discuss negative experiences which are helpful to others (toxic relationships, abuse, etc.) To put my reaction to the way you phrased your question here. Let me ask another example question: "Why do people who were in abusive relationships share their stories online and say so many negative things about their abusers? If you can't handle a person like that, just shut up and go away instead of teaching ignorant people that such behaviour is not okay (and ruining the chances of abusers getting one of these ignorant people to date/marry them".
I'm not MGTOW, but I know someone who is. And "getting laid" is far from his daily concerns. He has made the decision to go his own way because of a very negative experience he had with someone he was in love with that manipulated him for years. He keeps to himself, but he has the right to discuss it online if he wants, as it will help other men in a similar situation get out before it scars them. People have a right to share their negative experiences (or any experiences really). You not being happy about that does not make it wrong, nor does it devalue their opinions.
MGTOW is - a process.
The men who start out in MGTOW are often very bitter, very hurt, and very angry at the pack of lies they were told all through their formative years. And they vent. A lot.
But the next step of MGTOW is to develop one's own talents, one's own skills, one's own hobbies. And not doing any of this because the ladies might like it, but for its (and their) own sake. And once the men have achieved this, they are much better off, even in terms of attracting women! ]
But the key point is that men have to do this for themselves, not for any woman. And focusing upon and developing themselves IS a good thing.
Okay, well that seems reasonable enough, but why do so many of them not make it past the woman-hating stage?
Ok, so I can understand the need to release the trauma of the false bill that has been sold. Women have to do that too. Society fucked us up just as bad. I can also understand the desire to make something of oneself that is not dependent on a member of the opposite sex. But... all of this is just good advice for anyone. Why does this have to be couched as "Men going their own way" as opposed to just men healing and becoming confident and purposeful in their own life?
Do you think their arguments are without merit? Sure mgtows tend to be whiny cunts but the fact is their not wrong about women a lot of the time. Besides this mgtows a stepping stone to self empowerment. I’ve moved between all the pills several times and decided fuck the labels. Fact is marriage fails more often then it succeeds and fact is when marriage fails it’s almost always men paying for it while women benefit. More facts are wome. Wanna be independent and don’t “need a man” or want for that matter… they wanna be hard asses having their own money and starting fights meanwhile they think a mans not a man when he don’t pay for dates and fails to win said fights she’s started… I’ve decided I want kids. I’ll tolerate a woman who’s what I’m looking for for this and risk the punishment that follows but I won’t marry. If I die alone oh god damn well… ide say I’m MGTOW because I choose how much commitment I give not you and I won’t live for you like a simp even if it means being alone. As cruel as it is to say if women disappeared today the world would still run for years… if men disappeared within weeks even days the world would suffer catastrophic failure with loss of electricity, gas, oil, and a majority of the security positions that keep women safe from others including wildlife. It’s obvious who’s the stronger gender right now and who’s more important. It’s equally unfair if men want their own offspring they have to tolerate women at the same time. Welcome to the real world.
That being said
What a sad mental state you inhabit.
Typical. Attack me personally because you can’t respond with logic. I can safely ignore trash that leave comments like this one.
No. It's simply that your poorly constructed vitriol simply doesn't deserve the energy or attention of breaking down the many logical fallacies contained within it. Not worth my energy.
Though how delightfully hypocritical of you to denounce personal attacks while calling me 'trash'.
Using bigger words with more syllables don’t make you any smarter nor does it change the fact you wasted your breath putting me down but failed to argue any facts. You cared enough to reply but not enough to apply yourself. Worst kinda person. I won’t reply to you again.
I was not going to comment... until you made these statements:
As cruel as it is to say if women disappeared today the world would still run for years… if men disappeared within weeks even days the world would suffer catastrophic failure with loss of electricity, gas, oil, and a majority of the security positions that keep women safe from others including wildlife. It’s obvious who’s the stronger gender right now and who’s more important. It’s equally unfair if men want their own offspring they have to tolerate women at the same time. Welcome to the real world.
You live in very bizarre reality. Have you ever worked alongside women? They're pretty much just like men. If men disappeared, the jobs they currently tend to fill more would immediately be taken over by women. You ask for logic... but at least this part of your statement cannot be argued using logic. It requires just looking at the world around oneself.
I do look at the world. Look at numbers for electricians… engineers… mechanics… the people bringing your the oil and gas and the people maintaining the equipment providing your electricity. Their almost all men. If all men disappeared do you think the 1-2 women could keep the power plant running alone? I make cinderblocks for building hospitals and schools. I’m not sure more women could DO what I do. But I know we don’t have a single woman in my plant. That’s millions in blocks every day gone from the world.
Could women learn how? Sure. If given time could they cover? For the most part sure. But there’s no arguing in the time it would take to replace roles the men disappearing would be more catastrophic.
@NicoletteXO I like to talk about stuff online... but it is often a waste of time and energy, and people seldom change their minds anyway.
"Do you think their arguments are without merit?"
Yes, I do.
"Using bigger words with more syllables don’t make you any smarter..."
True, but it does mean that she is smarter than you, and that clearly shows.
It’s called a thesaurus. If we were face to face sure but when typing a manuscript it’s a key book…
At least I have ideas… all you fools are doing are personal attacks and agreeing/ disagreeing…
The Men who are truly 'going their own way' you will not hear from as they just get on with their lives , the ones who you say 'because all they ever talk about online is how evil women apparently are' are those guys who have been dragged through a divorce they did not want and had everything they worked had to build Family, Home, Lifestyle etc totally ripped apart by a court system that does not grant them any favours.
The Men who are truly 'going their own way' that you do not hear from are the majority, they have simply performed a risk/benefit analysis and decided that marriage/family life is not for them at this time, it is not set in stone. If they meat a women that they feel has the same values as the they may pursue a relationship with that person.
So please stop tarring all with the same brush.
"because all they ever talk about online is how evil women apparently are"
Women talk about men all the time, gossip about penis size and subreddits like female dating strategies discuss how to destroy men's lives. But God forbid if men DARED to talk about female nature and spread awareness to younger men who are naive and easier to manipulate by women. That's a huge red flag. When women do it it's fair play. When men do it its sexism. Man-hating subreddits are just fine and without any bans and restrictions. The MGTOW subreddit was first quarantined and then banned entirely. Women are the epitome of double standards. If there is someone here who is bitter then that's women like you. A 29 year old who has been replaced by the new generations of fresh young sluts, asking where all the good men are. Like every post-wall slut.
"Women talk about men all the time, gossip about penis size and subreddits like female dating strategies discuss how to destroy men's lives."
This is known as "whataboutism". A clumsy term, I know, but you cannot argue that because the people you don't like happen to engage in abhorrent behaviour that therefore you can as well. Two wrongs don't make a right, as people often say.
"But God forbid if men DARED to talk about female nature and spread awareness to younger men who are naive and easier to manipulate by women."
Female nature? This may come as a shock to you, but just like men, we are also individuals, with different personalities, needs, beliefs and desires. We are not some homogeneous blob of femdom or something. You cannot lump us all together like that, and call it "female nature".
I can lump you very much all together and that is what I do. You can screech autistically about it all you want. And this isn't about two wrongs making a right. It's about exposing female double standards in the gynocentric society we live in, in which women can do whatever the fuck they like but men aren't even allowed to have a space they can call their own. Boys scouts? No that is sexism. We must allow girls to get in. Twitch for gaming streams? No that is sexism. You must turn it into a camwhore website. Telegram to escape online censorship? No, you need fill this with camwhores as well. Cosplay and those "stupid nerdy guys"? No you have to fill the community with sluts shaking their asses in their costumes. Historical re-enactments? No, you must come with 40's slutty outfits and shake your asses on stage. Wherever men are going you always follow to whore yourselves out for attention and money.
"I can lump you very much all together and that is what I do."
Okay then, I'll do the same. Men are deceitful, violent and can't take "no" for an answer. They like to brag about how "big" they are down there between their legs, and when it comes to their general appearance, consistently over-rate themselves.
They also often brag about how "logical" they are (compared to women), but I've yet to meet one who actually was. They are also unbelievably intolerant of those who are not like them, as is evidenced in your very own expression, "autistically screeching".
Speaking of autism, did you know that it isn't actually an insult to call someone that? That's right, because those who have the condition are generally far saner (and more intelligent - MUCH more intelligent) than your typical "normal" person.
I probably could too. What would you like to know? :)
The first thing you need to realize is that MGTOW is a response to the behavior of women. Were you ladies so naive as to think that after decades of women abusing the family court system that men would not adapt and respond?
These guys come in all ages from teenage years all the way up to senior years.
And this may come as a shock to you but there are indeed many women who are cruddy people.
What Red Pill men and MGTOW mostly are doing is teaching each other about how to recognize and avoid bad women and the scams they run on men.
You might want to get used to it because it has spread too far to ever be stopped.
My impression of the MGTOW movement is that they very much are actually going their own way. The entire point of the movement is to get other men to live on their own terms. So that can mean everything from not marrying women (on the toxic end) to quitting their jobs to start their own business (on the healthy end). MGTOW and the "Manosphere" are being polluted by the InCels and "Rational Male" types, who are more interested in shit talking women than improving themselves. There's definitely a lot of anti-woman sentiments (a shocking amount, actually, I've been digging into these guys for a few months now), but most of the Manosphere is made up of guys who just seem to be trying to help other men improve their lives.
MGTOW here. Its kinda like the male version of feminism. There are crazies in this group, and the sane ones know when to stay away from them. A lot of us, though, realize we have been dealt a really bad hand, and that society needs a cultural shift away from some of the more traditional ways. I look how feminism broke out of their traditional roles, and I want men to also break out of their traditional roles. That means to never get married, do not be women who are manipulative, lying scumbags, and to improve ourselves through study, personal growth, careers, etc. To me, there are decent women out there, but the way society looks at men, I'd rather not be a part of that.
Tired of women getting pregnant to have a kid they don't actually give a damn about and then run to divorce court and run off with the cumulative wealth of the marriage. Every man now aware divorce courts are RARELY in a mans favor. It sucks that if it comes down to divorce men gotta show all the recepts from the ENTIRE marrage just to get a fair verdict that yes in deed the man is paying for everything and that the woman doesn't just deserve to rip away all the wealth. Like guys have to have women sign LEGAL papers just to get married if there's a major wealth difference between them. Telling the wife LEGALLY if they divorce there is a set amount of the established family wealth they will get IN ADVANCE of the potential divorce.
And thats not even getting to the fact men are asking BEFORE that for women to make consent videos out of fear being the next #Metoo guy.
And the saddest part is men aren't doing this cause they want to but have to XD. As like the whole divorce court stuff the wife can run away with 60 to as much as 90% of the CUMULATIVE WEALTH of the marriage. Yes a man could be making 100K a year and suddenly get kicked to the curb and have only 10K OwO. Like its a NFW situation where men are not only going their own way but its cheaper and less expensive to just even go gay at this point.
Most are not doing it fully because they're hating on women, although when feminism was spreading a few years ago just before Trump was elected, we had a very valid reason to engage with them and push back on them as they were actively trying to make our lives worse and slashing funding for mental health institutions while also covering up abuse that frequently happens in such institutions. Then with the cherry on top, advocating for permanent unconditional holdings in the institutions and permanent stripping of their constitutional rights if and when they get out after being admitted for suicidal tendencies. So yeah, we fought back on them and we won, now feminism is on it's dying breath and draws laughter whenever the movement is brought up to just about anyone.
I would never describe myself with any label , single by choice , and made a decision off my own back , that will keep me single permanently , I am a single dad of 2 teens , soon to be one , as my recently turned 18 son , is starting university shortly. If men keep bitching about women , then they are not truly " going their own way " , as women still have a hold on them mentally. I have been scarred mentally by the marriage I ended , and I simply cannot be bothered with " dating " ...& stand no chance in the male heavy sausage fest dating market. Prefer to keep to myself , & do my best for my 2 , also have a daughter , 15 , no misogyny here , I get on better with her than my son.
Here's the thing girlie; to men, women are like a drug. We always have a deep inner urge to want to be with a woman, despite it not always being in our best interest. It's not all that much different from someone who's had heroine. So imagine mgtow groups as if they were a rehab group, all quitting the harmful drug that is women. To stay sober, it helps to talk with fellow former addicts and share stories and experiences. If people really wanted to mope about being alone they'd do it in incel or foreveralone forums.
Girlie? Don't patronise me.
Here’s the thing my friend; to women, men are like people. We always have a deep understanding that men have real feeling and thoughts, despite many men being so dumb we’d like to deny it. It’s not that much different to how women are also people. So imagine women as if they were actual human beings, all individuals that don’t exist for men to “use” like a drug. To understand this seemingly simple fact, it helps to talk to local women, such as your mother, to help gain perspective and share experiences.
@LavenderLuna Lol, my mother is an abusive alcoholic cunt and I haven't spoken to her in years; she's dead to me... but nice try I guess. Other women and I have nothing to discuss, nothing in common. I won't put on the fake player mask like 99% of other men do to get their dick wet. I'm cool being alone for the rest of my days, and I'm glad I found MGTOW. I'm not active in any of their groups or anything, but at the beginning of my 20s it offered me a lot of relief because there's frustration in the fact that society pressures people to seek romantic relationships... despite not really wanting to internally.
And I think many men and women could benefit from the mindset that being along is possibly for the best. So many tolerate abusive and shitty relationships because they are afraid of being alone. Do I always have to be alone? No, but that's okay if I am. Is that such an unhealthy mindset?
@celtero not at all. You can live a happy life while being alone, whatever you are a man or a woman.
Society shouldn't pressure us into relationships, if we want them fine if we don't also fine.
I don't agree that women are a harmful drug, but that is the effect of having a toxic mother I guess.
I feel bad for you. You don’t seem to understand that gender does not cause as much of a divide as you think it does. Women and men are not some separate species that take lots of work to understand each other. We are all just people. You do make some good points but I still don’t necessarily agree with your opinions.
Of course not
Me, I'm volunterily celibate, I could date but who wants a guy who is rapidly declining health-wise (luckily not cognitively because I'd have removed myself from the gene pool not that I plan to ever be apart of it anyway as too much of this shit is hereditary)
Add that to a large workload to make up for the time I can't work and there just isn't the time... the only upsides are that you can do whatever you want so smoking cigars and taking mid-afternoon scotches is only helping to speed up my inevitable fate as well as being able to work for very little financial compensation because I'll be dead before I could pay a mortgage and won't have a partner or children to care about or bequeath my worldly possessions to
I think MGTOW is the frustration of a lot of men who were made to believe things were a certain way but isn't. The term "red pill rage" comes from this and many men move on and actually go their own way - as in, finding a purpose or focusing on something that gives them meaning. Some end up dating again. But I don't think it's a bad movement by any means. A lot of the community is stuck on bashing women but there is some truth to what they say.
I agree. I note that you point out their "frustration" and that there is "some truth to what they say."
That said, it doesn't seem like you see the movement as particularly useful... so much as a sometimes unhealthy venting outlet. If that's you're opinion... I'll agree with that. I'd say 65% of the time it probably does more harm than good.
I think what has done a lot of good are these egalitarian speakers who criticize feminism and men's rights advocates types of people. I think that could totally replace the MGTOW and we'd all be better off for it.
@Halibut Perhaps I'm a bit of an optimist when it comes to human development. It has been the opinion of many a scholar and resident of an era that we are always going downhill and that humans are nothing but vermin sloshing in our own decay. However, the human spirit is built to adapt and built to grow. Sometimes at the cost of something else. But everything in life has a cost. I will be watching eagerly with you haha
"... there is some truth to what they say".
Such as? Can you provide an example?
Well, one argument from one of those egalitarian sources I complimented that I suspect many MGTOW groups would agree with is that I think society tends to value men's lives less than women's. I think when women or are seriously harmed, society tends to perceive that as a bigger tragedy than when such things happen to men.
Also... I think there is an argument to be made that perhaps we should have some kind of contract available in which men can lose all parenting rights, but then they wouldn't have to pay child support either. You can kind of look at it like, women have the option of getting an abortion to get out of raising a child. Men always at least have to pay child support. There would be pros and cons to that though... so I don't really care whether that change happens or not.
I don't listen to MGTOW sources. I'm pretty much getting all this from the more egalitarian sources that criticize anybody. I watch a lot of Shoe on Head's videos, on Youtube, if you know who she is.
So far as I can tell... the wage gap doesn't seem to be much of a problem, and the pink tax is just natural economics... because women tend to care more about their appearance so they'll pay more for cosmetic items.
Also... sex crimes against men tend to be laughed that.
I cannot think of anything big. I assume they'll have some non-horrible ideas.
m one thing is for sure...
they all go to the same "safe place" from where they can whine like absolute mitches and non-stop
so it's just time for a new set of letters
MGTTSPTWLLM... Mitches Going To Their Safe Place To Whine Like Little Mitches... which they absolutely are
Lol. Hilarious. And accurate.
@NicoletteXO cheers... 🍷
Some MGTOW have platonic relationships with women, while others keep transactions strictly commercial, with sex workers. But what you notice about all of them is that they never stop talking about women.
The sad sacks of MGTOW, presenting their fear and loathing of women as a political manifesto have a general anxiety about women... and that anxiety is widespread, mainstream and real.
Anyways I voted "C"
Meh, though MGTOW in general don't put women up on a pedestal or waste out time and resources on them, it's only a visible minority for whom it has anything to do with hate.
How about an analogy... Just because I'm not interested in taking out a 6 year loan at $400 a month for a 2003 Civic with 300k miles on it, doesn't mean I hate rice racers. It does, however, make it good clean fun to roast the used car salesman who thinks someone will jump at that deal :p
This is a highly ignorant question. People talk about all sorts of things. You just don't like men criticizing women. Should people into cooking stop talking about it? Should gay people stop talking about being gay? Should addicts stop discussing their issues? You're obviously just trying to silence men, which is proof of being pathetic and weak.
I'm sure there are some guys who had willingly given up dating.
However, a guy who can't get dates/sex and refuses to better himself going "Oh I'm MTGOW! Look at me! Men are going their own way and giving up dating!" is just... pathetic.
They want to pretend to be the cliche loner riding off into the sunset, but I'm yet to see a movie where Clint Eastwood or some hero drives off shouting "Hey everyone! I'm leaving the party! Bye! Won't you miss me!"
I agree. They're not going their own way. There are people who just don't want relationships, or who want unpopular types of relationships, who just mind their own business and don't begin a movement complaining about the way the world works. They don't join MGTOW movements, typically.
If they did they wouldn't need to put a lable on themselves. They haven't gone they're own way, they've gone the way of MGTOW.
I think I've gone my own way but it's
My way.
I like this. Good for you :)
Ah thanks : )
I think it's good too
again what you see going on online does not represent reality.
just because you hear us talking about something nonstop online does not mean we aren't succeeding at our goals and ambitions in real life.
The whole thing is a plot to get young horny men to be okay with getting their sexual release for older manipulative gay men. It's hilarious. But that's why they keep needing to get new young men involved, like a pyramid dick sucking scheme.
Well, this is a side of MGTOW I have not heard about!
@NicoletteXO You haven't seen enough questions like "I think women are terrible. They are so bad, I think I might be better off finding a good buddy to occasionally help me out! Ha ha. No but seriously, would that be okay?"
These sorts of questions crop up from time to time, clearly indicating these poor deluded horny souls with no game are being mentally pressured into letting queens take them to the dark side.
They can’t “go” anywhere when they have their heads lodged so far up our asses.
I wish they would go their own way I’m sick of their whinny attitude about women. These men are bitter and toxic must be avoided at all costs.
I had to laugh at the "bitter old men who can't get laid" part- the situation for men is often much better when we're "old". I get hit on a lot more than when I was in my 20s or 30s.
Oh, that's interesting. So older men are more popular or something? Why might that be?
Yes, men don't live as long. They die on average about seven years before women do.
Yes they are, just look at the shaming the author of this question is doing. If she had a clue she would know why men go to Mgtow comments to vent, most are men who have been divorce raped. But calling us INCEL makes her feel powerful!
Most of them remove themselves entirely and aren't vocal, but they're doing that in the first place because there is a problem and many want to confront the problem in hopes that it helps resolve the issue. It's a survivalist philosophy, not necessarily something that's meant for everyone to do. Like humanitarian movements *ideally* set out to make themselves unnecessary, ideally the problems that cause this strategy to be devised against it will go away, then so will the need for MGTOW.
Today's women standards are like auction and it evil she might be in a serious relationship and yet she's looking for another better deal she keep taking this man soul then she keep an eye open on the other side women also wants to compete with men. We bring so many things to the table but women offer sex but at what cost? Losing everything? ! Hell no. Mgtow forever
Can't say I'd ever heard of it until now and had to Google it to understand what it was. Is this what guys progress into after the incel stage?
My observation (only a personal one)... but it's basically an incel after they reach 30 and have a mental fuse snap. Then they crowd together in chat rooms to hate on women, in their fried-chicken-grease-stained T-shirts.
@NicoletteXO "... fried-chicken-grease-stained T-shirts" - I can actually, clearly visualise that, LOL :D
I know, right? 😂 Such a visceral image. And I have like, 'Comic Book Guy' from The Simpsons in my mind when I picture it.
@NicoletteXO YES! Me too! :D
@DonkeyDan
No, it's not. MGTOW are men who swear off all relationships with women, especially marriage. Most MGTOW don't account they're MGTOW (it's contradictory, like the OP points out), or obsess over women. OP focused on the hypocrites, projecting them all to be "typical MGTOW men", when they're actually the bad ones. Incels aren't MGTOWs at all, because incels OBSESS over women, and don't work on self-improvement or chasing happiness, which is inverse to what MGTOW is all about. (I'm not MGTOW, for what it's worth, but it's essentially just being an independent man who swears off relationships with women.)
It's not your problem, so just butt out. It simply doesn't concern you. These are the rejects that can't click with women, so just let them whine. No one cares.
While that is no doubt true in some cases your attitude is frankly disgusting, you are dismissing legitimate issues which many men have and labelling anyone who dares to voice an opinion about the status of men in society as an incel who should be not just ignored and sidelined but should also be the subject of redicule and personal attack.
So much for the fresh air of debate you previously claimed to champion, that isn't who you are at all.
"... dismissing legitimate issues..."
Where do I do that? Which issues? Instead of calling my position on this "disgusting", it might help to keep your emotions in check and actually explain why you don't accept it. I've gone over your response here three times now, and I can't find anything within it that is actually helpful, in any way useful.
Oh, and yes, I DO support open debate and dialogue. It isn't my fault you have a problem with what I happen to believe about those who are "going MGTOW".
You do that by reducing any and all arguments which have ever been made on any mgtow site to 'how evil women apparently are'.
I have already explained the basis of my distaste, perhaps a 4th or 5th reading would help? Though i rather suspect that your inability to understand what is being said is because you dont want to understand.
You made a post on this site calling for the blanket silencing of everyone below 120 iq, now you are seeking to silence any and all people who identify with MGTOW.
So, no, you dont support open debate and dialogue.
"You do that by reducing any and all arguments which have ever been made on any mgtow site to 'how evil women apparently are'."
Well... yes. One thing that all who subscribe to the MGTOW "philosophy" agree on is the belief that every time a marriage fails, it's always the woman's fault. They also generalise about women - constantly! - and don't see us as being unique individuals.
As for the 120 IQ suggestion, that's all it was: a suggestion. A couple of the people who responded to that question offered better advice, a more precise way to eliminate, or at least reduce, the number of trolls, fake accounts and misogynists here at GAG. You interpreted this as an attempt to "silence" dissent, which is just laughable, because no one has the "right" to demean, insult, harass or threaten anyone else. This may be news to you, but that's not covered under free speech.
And I'll ask again, because you failed to answer it - which "legitimate issues" have I dismissed? List them.
You seem to be under the impression that framing the silencing of all people under 120iq as a suggestion makes it ok and that in some way it is not legitimate evidence of your position.
If i were to say that black people could be used as an alternative fuel source this would clearly be completely unacceptable, framing as a 'suggestion' is not a defence.
Quote:
One thing that all who subscribe to the MGTOW "philosophy" agree on is the belief that every time a marriage fails, it's always the woman's fault.
This is absurd. It is also, to my understanding not representative of the thinking.
You have extremely rigid black and white / absolute thinking. The very idea that everyone who is x thinks y is offensive and extremely ignorant. The only way in fact to make this idea true is to define x by y.
Your perception of freedom of speech is incorrect, it does in fact include the right to insult and cause offence.
You apparently believe that I am a spokesperson for MGTOW, I am not. Neither do i see any reason why i should have to produce a list or argue the points of others in order to dismiss your position for the reasons previously stated.
"You seem to be under the impression that framing the silencing of all people under 120iq as a suggestion makes it ok and that in some way it is not legitimate evidence of your position."
You're taking it far too literally. Stop fixating on the number 120, and try to see it for what it was: an attempt - a suggestion - to introduce a basic test that would allow for the reduction in the number of fake accounts, trolls and misogynists here at GAG. Surely, if we could achieve that goal it would be a step in the right direction. I didn't - did NOT - suggest that unpopular views be suppressed, or people of a certain cultural background, or anything else along those lines.
"If i were to say that black people could be used as an alternative fuel source this would clearly be completely unacceptable, framing as a 'suggestion' is not a defence."
That's a very odd analogy. Black people I have nothing against, and the colour of their skin doesn't determine either their intelligence or character. My suggestion was aimed at a certain type of behaviour, not class or ethnic group.
"This is absurd. It is also, to my understanding not representative of the thinking."
Well, my own personal experience with these people would suggest otherwise. Perhaps there are some MGTOW men out there who actually don't hate women, but I've never met them. I mean, look at this bullshit: unpublishedarticles.com/.../
I found the link here: www.goingyourownway.com/.../#post161149
"Neither do i see any reason why i should have to produce a list or argue the points of others in order to dismiss your position for the reasons previously stated."
Well, actually you do have to present some evidence for the accusation you made against me, your claim that I "dismiss legitimate concerns". Which concerns? You can't just accuse someone of something and then just slink away.
What about this crap?
https://britishmgtow.wordpress.com/
Quote: "Throughout history, parasitic women have destroyed good men and brought entire families down to their knees. My own father too would tell me of the horrors he had to face with his step mother. ‘Wicked witch of the west!’ He would say. As she secluded my grandfather away from everyone and gloated that she had him under her control. When he died, she got every single part of his fortune leaving my father, his 3 brothers and 1 sister to fend for themselves at a young age."
Or this vile crap:
www.mgtow.tv/.../...igger-mp4_657StwgAqJNVRxv.html
Apparently some there support the Confederacy.
The reason the site is the way that it is is because that is in the interests of those who control it.
Just the other day there was a post about something controversial, I forget what it was which is annoying but there wasn't anything wrong with it in terms of causing offence, it was simply too real or touching on subjects which were considered off limits by the management.
I am rejecting your blanket dismissal of any and all things related to mgtow as having absolutely no basis.
"I am rejecting your blanket dismissal of any and all things related to mgtow as having absolutely no basis."
Of course you are. Did you even bother to click on the links? No, of course you didn't. Yet here you are, accusing me of being a hypocrite. Unbelievable.
There is no need for me to click on the links, it is entirely obvious that they are cherry picked examples which support your claims.
As I have already acknowledged, in my opening statement no less, that there are no doubt examples of this there is really nothing to be gained from it.
It doesn't change anything; your position is still completely absurd.
Presuming to dismiss everything from an entire movement by misrepresenting it as something else is profoundly ignorant and dishonest and you already know that, so just stop doing it.
Cherry-picked? Oh, how convenient for you to assume that! Then here -
duckduckgo.com/?q=MGTOW+websites&t=braveed&ia=web
Take your own pick. See for yourself, because this is where I went. I just entered the term "MGTOW websites" and that is what came up. I don't - do NOT - engage in "cherry-picking"! What a libelous accusation, an accusation for which you once again have zero evidence!
"It doesn't change anything; your position is still completely absurd."
Translation: I won't change my mind about MGTOW, because that would be too painful for me. I would rather just ignore contrary evidence, label it "absurd", and go my merry, ignorant way.
"Presuming to dismiss everything from an entire movement by misrepresenting it as something else is profoundly ignorant and dishonest and you already know that, so just stop doing it."
Nope, I didn't do that at all. I have not misrepresented it. I presented the evidence for my claims (which you ignored), but your response was juvenile, accusatory and libelous.
The evidence is self explanatory, you wouldn't have posted a link if it did not support your claim.
Do your own research on this if you truly believe that my sources are "cherry-picked"! The endless excuses I get from people like you is simply astonishing!
People like me..
Well there's a surprise, just bundle everyone you dont like into a box and then set fire to it.
I used the search engine 'DuckDuckGo', and this is what you get when you enter the words "MGTOW websites". Examine them for YOURSELF!
duckduckgo.com/?q=MGTOW+websites&t=braveed&ia=web
I dont need to.
You are misrepresenting the position that I have taken up.
I have already tried to explain to you that I am not a spokes person for MGTOW, but you dont listen.
I have already demonstrated to you that you are not the champion of debate that you like to see yourself as but you dont like the truth so you just engage in mental gymnastics and personal attacks.
So i would appreciate it if you would stop trying to maneuver me into a position which i don't occupy in order to make it easier for you to attack me.
You're not very consistent, are you? You claim that: "You are misrepresenting the position that I have taken up. I have already tried to explain to you that I am not a spokes person for MGTOW, but you dont listen."
Well, what did you mean by all of this then?
"While that is no doubt true in some cases your attitude is frankly disgusting, you are dismissing legitimate issues which many men have and labelling anyone who dares to voice an opinion about the status of men in society as an incel who should be not just ignored and sidelined but should also be the subject of redicule and personal attack.
So much for the fresh air of debate you previously claimed to champion, that isn't who you are at all."
I didn't "dismiss legitimate concerns", nor did I use the word "Incel". If anything you are misrepresenting my position here. I presented evidence that backed up the claims I did make, but you just decided to dismiss them and accuse me of "cherry-picking" (which is something I never engage in). I didn't attack you personally either, and yet you accused me of that as well. The simple truth is that you just can't handle the truth. MGTOW is for misogynistic losers, for "men" who can't handle strong, independent women.
If you dont know what has been said, what is the basis for your claim that i have been inconsistent?
Are you blind? I directly quoted you.
I'm not going to just keep repeating myself, the answer is already in this thread.
You haven't provided any answers to anything. At what point do I "dismiss legitimate issues"? Come on, answer that question.
My "attitude" was never "disgusting", but what I DO find disgusting is your dishonesty and inability to actually justify the baseless claims about me that you've made here. The truth is that MGTOW men are misogynistic, creepy losers who don't deserve the time of day!
Ok, let me refer you back to post 2.
Quote: You do that by reducing any and all arguments which have ever been made on any mgtow site to 'how evil women apparently are'.
(You, post 3) Quote: Well... yes.
You then spend the next 4 hours trying to force me to become a defender of MGTOW so that you can attack me and I reject your invitation.
Um, newsflash buddy. You HAVE been a defender of MGTOW here. Right from the very beginning. The fact is that MGTOW men believe women to be evil. That's just the simple and honest truth, a truth that you can't seem to accept. They hate women, and there is no evidence to the contrary, for if there were I would have found it, and conceded that maybe they're not as bad as they appear to be.
Oh, and one other thing - when have I ever "dismissed legitimate issues"?
The only aspect which i have ever defended is that there legitimate issues which many men face.
That's it.
Why have i not cited examples then?
Well that should be obvious; if you have spent time reading things from MGTOW and failed to identify a single issue or argument which has a legitimate basis its because you dont want to see it and as i have said, I am not going to put myself into the position which you want to place me as a spokesperson for it and then spend my time defending a movement which i dont have anything to do with.
"... legitimate issues which many men face."
Such as? Yes, I've seen the things that they complain about, like being treated "unfairly" in custody battles in court, or how they tend to not live as long as women on average. However, when you actually look into these issues, you soon enough find that women are not the ones to blame for this. Take the second example, longevity. Is it, or is it not the case, that most men (not all) often ignore warning signs that their health is in danger? It is a well-known fact that women will be far more amenable to the idea of seeing a doctor if they suspect something to be wrong with their health, whereas men tend to adopt the attitude that if it isn't killing them yet then it's not a problem. Agree?
I had such high hopes when you didn't reply that you might have finally decided to let this go.
Evidently not.
No they choose not to make women a major priority. Makes sense because we all have more important responsibilities, men and women
Warning other men about the negative side of women is still going our own way. Men should be informed about what they're getting into when they have a relationship with a modern woman
Is this like a modern day No Maam from married with children? Lol i shouldn't laugh but this seems a little much.
I don't understand your comment.
It was a late 80s to 90s American sitcom where the men on the show started a club called No MAAM. I copied and pasted this online. It was a sitcom that could never be made today lol. The description for MGTOW made me think of this ridiculous show lol
National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood/Numb Old Men Anxiously Awaiting Morticians) was an anti-feminist group founded by Al Bundy in response to Women's Bowling Night replacing the Men's, and the nudie bar being turned into a Women's Coffee House.
You're whining here about men whining about women. LMAO!
Talking about the evils of women doesn't mean those men are not going their own way. I mean, I get that you are butt hurt by the fact that these guys call women out for their shit, but you need to get over that. Men have plenty of reasons to be angry about and disappointed in today's women. Quit whining about it and be a better human being. Problem solved.
A classic example of projection on your part. I'm not the one doing the "whining"; they are, constantly, and that's what this whole discussion here is all about.
The "evils of women". What the hell is that supposed to mean? To be quite truthful with you, over the course of my entire life I have probably met only five women that I could have described as being "evil", in comparison to about half the men I've known. Men are the ones who start wars and commit the vast majority of violent crimes, so don't give me that bullshit about "the evils of women"!
@CasaNorba Yeah, her butt is still hurting 4 days later. Lol
@rachelspiks I "care" about him because we both hold the same views, does that bother you?
also by claiming he "made a fool of himself" you are clearly projecting since its you and your butthurt ass who's been making a fool of yourself for the past 4 days stalking us mgtow and trying to throw shades on us like a broken record
Hold up a sec. So in other words the problem is actually you visiting MGTOW videos and forums? It sounds like you are the problem, not MGTOW. If you don't like what is being said in MGTOW forums and videos, why are you not trying to fix the problems women and feminism have caused instead of complaining about the end result which happens to be victim blaming?
It's not that she "doesn't like" what is being said. It is that what is being said is incoherent. The idea that MGTOW men are going there own way is false if they spend all day focussing on bitching about women. And blaming women. And claiming victimhood status. Like you.
@NicoletteXO Thank you. That's exactly right.
@NicoletteXO If either one of you had your children taken away from you via false accusations having your own children that you couldn't be around or see anymore used against you in order to enslave and fleece you while living out of a car eating bologna to survive you would be complaining all day too.
Interesting how a man who knows nothing about either of our lives, and how much either of us may have suffered, thinks that his experiences must OBVIOUSLY be worse than ours, and that therefore he is entitled him to bitch and moan about the entire female gender. Groan.
@NicoletteXO Yes, these people lack empathy, self-awareness and common sense to an astonishing degree.
@NicoletteXO And neither of you have a clue what I've been through either or what men go through. And it's not about either of you, it's about a system designed against men by women. When you have a system that is designed against you by default, you don't take chances with that system with anyone regardless if they claim they're special and good because is the equivalent of playing Russian Roulette.
You don't think I know about Russian roulette?
@Rachelspiks Yes I do have empathy, but I never got that in return.
Well. In my brief interaction with you here, you've demonstrated zero empathy whatsoever. Instead, you've exhibited an extraordinary sense of entitlement, blame shifting, narcissism and several repeat rounds of victim mentality.
@NicoletteXO I'm showing entitlement? blame shifting? I'm not into role playing I tell it like it is. If you want to attempt to paint truth as blame shifting and narcissism then that's on you. The evidence to prove you are wrong is out there in abundance. I believe the following videos will show who has no empathy and wants no responsibility.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qSEe--yGkq4/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bQWRpLlxuWo/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8f28SfDMst0/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2xeZcl7clQs/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/D3p6fj9iwVQ/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nN0xVWZC7AtH/
Thanks for MHO!
Sorry this went to the wrong question.
Incels "deciding" to just be cels 😂
Mgtow and Incels are not the same thing.
Men going their own way is a mentality shift and a focus on bettering and looking out for yourself and your fellow man. Most mgtow are still very active in the dating market, just avoid state sanctioned marriage for financial reasons.
Incels are a bunch of angry, sexually frustrated losers that society has abandoned.
Well with one you probably wouldn’t be able to tell and the other… well- that’s kind of the point.
yes we must warn the other men of the evil of you women
so that way they do not fall into the same crap as other men have
Hosea 4:6
MY CHILDREN ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE
so we must educate the men
Proverbs 5:5
here feet go down to death her steps take hold on hell
Ecclesiastes 7:28
I have found one good man out of a 1000
but not one good women among them all
Proverbs 30:20
This is the way of an adulterous woman: She eats and wipes her mouth and says, 'I've done nothing wrong
AND JUDGEMENT FALLS ON THE WOMEN
BY THE WORD OF GOD
You know, whenever someone uses quotes from the Bible to justify their insane hatred for a group of people to which they do not belong, I instantly dismiss anything they may have to say as being just the ravings of an unhinged, psychopathic lunatic. Congratulations, you are one of those.
you are the insane one
you believe there is a core inside of the earth
can't get anymore insane than that
Oh no, not YOU again, LOL :D
Are you following me around or something? Yes, the Earth contains a core, a core comprised primarily of molten iron. It's what gives the planet it's magnetosphere, without which ionising radiation from the sun would fry us all. It's very simple science, because I learnt about this when I was about eight. I guess you must have skipped primary school.
prove the core of the earth exist I want a picture of it
Step 1. Go to the edge of an active volcano.
Step 2. Jump in. It should take you right there, right to the centre.
Good luck! :)
Yeah, going their own way to the Doritos aisle.
They hate women because of females like you. You lack self awareness if you think that females don't bitch and moan about men constantly. What is wrong honey, don't you like the competition?
Wow, men really hate women today and it is all women's fault. That is too bad for you. maybe you should become a lesbian feminist and then you will be happy and complete.
If a girl shows bad behavior, I'm reckless about the result.
You won't hear anything from me.
Many have just been destroyed by the feminist court system, or mysandrist women in general, and have decided to sit back and wait for the world to come to its senses.
Why do you keep asking questions that have been asked before? Let's talk a little bit about the problems of Afghan women. Please
You are best raising your own question on that, getting people to discuss other things is hard
I didn't know I was asking questions that had been asked before. I'm relatively new to this site.
Khis is none of your business. You mind your own business, you lingerie lice. Are you this woman's lawyer? @ChrisMaster69
@ pink I could be if she hires me lol.
Okay good job smarmy @chris
@pink Anon yep very
Well done @chris
This is a typical feminist who thinks men's genitals should be in cages and that men should be denied any civil rights
Im not into realtionships but ill continue to smash women
Any time I ever hear a guy use the term "smash", I get the impression he is atrocious in bed.
@NicoletteXO GOOD stay away from me Karen! imagine being triggered by words your going to be a future cat lady SMASH! SMASH SMASH!!!
Dude. You going psycho only shows that you are the one being triggered. Obviously. You should learn how to make love. You're clearly like a jackhammer. Women fucking hate that.
@NicoletteXO who cares i get my nut and then im out did you not read me say im not into relationships idc about what they like lol
Yeah, anyone with that attitude won't be "getting their nut" in anyone other than perhaps a desperate crack head. And you'll still have to pay - because even a crack head won't be so desperate as to sleep with someone like you for free.
@NicoletteXO lol look at you triggered by how i am and words i use on the daily. Your definitely a Karen. Good luck finding a man in the future, cats for life does suit you.
"You're", not "your". God, half the people here are barely literate. And she isn't a 'Karen' Mr. Tiny-Dick. Yes, I know about you. You're the one who keeps sending photos to the underage girls here of your tiny little worm.
We both know it's not a lie. You have quite a reputation here with the (ahem) little girls of GAG. By the way, my name isn't Karen, so don't call me that!
Could you repeat that? Was that actually English? Stop talking with marbles in your mouth.
I'm not talking I'm typing lol do you not know the difference? So since you made this account this month and are clearly a troll account asking troll questions and sick lies you act like that Quack Ducky chick who makes tons of accounts and does the same thing hmmmm? Lol still upset well either way it doesn't matter their is no validity to any false defamation claims you make but since this is how you respond when angry your going to be another cat lady forever alone. Good luck with that.
Ahem. It's 'there', not 'their'. Also, 'you're', not 'your' 😂😂.
You should also try using some punctuation. Your run-on sentences are - as Rachel accurately alluded to - revealing your illiteracy. To put it more simply (so that your simple mind can grasp it) - the more you type, the stupider you look.
Your lack of skill with regard to literacy is clearly matched by your lack of skill regarding sexuality. I make no apologies for maintaining that anyone with your attitude will be atrocious in bed, and won't be capable of having sex with anyone other than a desperate crack head - and you'll still have to pay. You seem to have confused a 'trigger' with a simple assessment of the obvious facts of your situation.
Also, it's clear that you are threatened by people who are simply more intelligent than you.
@NicoletteXO im not threatened by anyone who is offended by the words i use on a daily and tries to control on how others speak that's weird and that shows me you are not going to be able to keep a man if you think you can control others cause you don't like certain words being used. It's called being controlling and furthermore accusing people of false crimes out of anger is also another thing thats show if you were so intelligent you would not to do that.
But that wasn't you i know who Rachel is hiding on a one month old account and trying to troll by telling people she works for interpol as a officer and then telling multiple people abuncha other lies but that's her own mental problem.
"So since you made this account this month and are clearly a troll account asking troll questions and sick lies you act like that Quack Ducky chick who makes tons of accounts and does the same thing hmmmm?"
Actually, it was last month, and we all have to start somewhere don't we? "Troll questions?" No, GOOD questions! Questions that people like you don't have the intelligence to actually address, because you've got your brain wedged firmly up your ass.
Quack ducky chick? What on earth are you going on about now? Are you drunk again, or have you just been sniffing too much glue?
"I'm not talking I'm typing lol do you not know the difference?"
Oh gee, you don't say?
You clearly don't know the difference and you know what I'm talking about, and i've already won this conversation you both can't stop me from using the word "Smashing" in my vocabulary and your both msging me in your feelings trying to insult me and you get so mad you have to make up nasty accusations. Ima
"Won this conversation" - Wow, you're completely deluded as well.
I'm not angry with you: I pity you. You're a sad, lonely old incel who hates women because he's been rejected by every single one of them.
Lol you're self projecting can't you see deluded as in you impersonating police & as you making up gross lies about people & now your claiming in so rejected and i hate women well of that was true why are you here msging me? Oh that's right because that the story of your rejection of the very man that gave birth to you and rejected by many men.
At this point it' a clear im rubber & your glue situation and whatever you say goes right back to you HA-HA! :)
The "man that gave birth"... wow, you don't understand basic biology either. Men don't have babies. That's what women do. I guess you didn't know that. Now you do. :)
"@NicoletteXO im not threatened by anyone who is offended by the words i use on a daily and tries to control on how others speak that's weird and that shows me you are not going to be able to keep a man if you think you can control others cause you don't like certain words being used. It's called being controlling and furthermore accusing people of false crimes out of anger is also another thing thats show if you were so intelligent you would not to do that."
Umm... I'm not not offended by your words. I'm pointing out that they are the words of a man who is mentally, emotionally and sexually illiterate. That point remains.
Nobody is trying to "control" your words. You're entitled to say them. And I'm entitled to say those are the words of a man who is mentally, emotionally and sexually illiterate. As I did.
Quite the irony that you accuse me of accusing you of "false crimes" (Where? What crimes?) when you are accusing me of trying to control your words, which I clearly haven't. I've simply stated my opinion on them, which I am perfectly entitled to. So actually, if anyone is accusing anyone of 'false crimes', it's you, Mr.
Also, I'm not angry. I just think you're an idiot. Everything you type is just further proof of that.
Don't know any but sounds gay
very gay. they fellate themselves metaphorically often over how alpha they are "going their own way" ohhhh yeahhh
@CasaNorba yes really. if you truly went your own way you'd never look or care about what women are doing ever again. but you don't you focus all your energy on them still. hoping they get their 'comeuppance' in your eyes.
@Still-alive "if you truly went your own way you'd never look or care about what women are doing ever again."
you should tell that to the person who asked this question who apparently can't get us out of her head. she literally locked horns with me about this topic in another post less than a week ago.
and again what goes on in the internet does not reflect 100% of what goes on in the real world. the fact that men are avoiding marriage, relationships and even sex itself speaks about out progress loud enough. but of course all you haters can do is call us GAY all day, which is not gonna change our mind cause we are immune to common shaming tactics
This guy has a huge chip on his shoulder lol 😂
@Still-alive IKR 😂😂😂
@CasaNorba "You should tell that to the person who asked this question who apparently can't get us out of her head. she literally locked horns with me about this topic in another post less than a week ago."
Well, did you think that I would just go along with the crap you were spouting? Did you think that because I'm female I would just say something like, "Oh yes, of course you're right, because you're a man, and I should know my place, and humbly submit to your superior wisdom" - Go screw yourself MGTOW man! MGTOW cretins claim to not need women, but they fail to realise that we never needed them, and so we won't miss people like you. GO your "own way" already, and stop bitching about how awful women apparently are!
@CasaNorba Butthurt? LOL No, I'm not. But you most certainly are deluded. Like Karaspara, I've also had enough of this conversation. Good bye, and good riddance! :)
Yeah they're all going to The Isle of Man
wow you sounds kinda of mad..
Sounds like more of a venting Reddit page.
You’re not wrong
It doesn't help that your 29 and at the wall
Ah, the dreaded "wall". You must have "gone MGTOW", because they mention "the wall" quite a lot, and seem to think it's some kind of barrier beyond which women are doomed to grow old, fat, lazy, and alone with 20 cats in a musty old house. The "wall" is garbage, and it's just another example of their puerile nature.
No their ways outside the wall. But for the most part most women let the wall defeat them.
There is no "wall". It's a myth, a lie spread by those MGTOW fools.
No their definitely a wall. And the only people who can save women who hit the wall is SImps.
Go away troll.
@ blue Anon lemming.
What wall I’m 40 and recently started dating, this was after my longest ever dry spell of just over a year.
It’s all in people’s heads and their attitudes to life.
Men don't have wall.
Yeah hence the lemming comment, some just throw themselves off the cliff edge.
Well they spend 6 months telling everyone they are going to….
Women who live well (and men who live well) become more powerful and more full of wisdom, grace and beauty the older they get. It is only those who seek the absolutely most banal aspects of relating (which says a lot about those people) who perceive any decline. But then, those who do not have the eyes or heart to see will never get the gold. And actually, deep down inside they know it. Think about the value of a wise old grandmother or grandfather. While their hips may creak, the twinkle in their eyes and their value has only deepened with age.
@NicoletteXO Yes, exactly, and I must say you have quite a way with words (and a great deal of common sense) :)
Keep writing, say what needs to be said.
@DCooper Why is this discussion still going? DCooper, it's foolish to believe in something so patently untrue as "the wall". It's obviously ridiculous, and it only works as a concept in the first place if you are, as Nicolette pointed out, a shallow individual who only values superficial traits like physical attractiveness.
Believe it or not, some people actually care about other, more important, things in a "partner". Like intelligence and character, both of which young people tend to lack.
Yes, they are going their own way.
Whose way should it be else?
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