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Are men who go MGTOW wrong for going that way? (Page 2)
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They're not wrong for going that way. Your reasoning had an awful lot of unneccesary bullshit in it though.
If you wanna go your way, then go. Absolutely there's nothing wrong with that. And you don't need any reason besides that you want to.
If you wanna claim "women" are the whole and only problem, then bucko you're covering one eye. Lots of women are shit. Lots of men are shit. Lots feel justified in their own shit because they've been dragged through other's shit. It's a vicious cycle and it's always been going on.
If you go your own way you won't be dragged through woman shit and you won't drag women through your shit. And that's good.
That doesn't mean you couldn't have found a good woman and been a good man with her. But if you'd rather be a good man by yourself, that's definitely valid as well. Any improvement whether individual or in relationship is still improvement.
Personal opinion.
Guys who join overvalued women to begin with and usually got no results or got severely hurt. Then join mgtow taking that same extreme energy of overvaluing women, to prostolatize others who didn't over value women and pay the consequences of that.
Respectfully, it's a man's job to have a code. Live by that code and cut girls who don't fit that. Pre mgtow those dudes didn't have a code and mgtow serves as a filler for not having one.
The problem is they're praising a self defeating philosophy from a relationship standpoint. BUT. I'll grant for some men. Better to be mgtow than to commit suicide over a girl. Definitely think it may be a worthwhile bridge to have around when other sources are not available.
You know only a very small part of this world. I know gold diggers, I know hoes. I know that fucking annoying fake ass insecure bitchez who think that it's your job to keep her ego floating as she deep down knows that she has no worth and provides no value to others lives. BUT there are women who'd never let me pay. There are women who helped me. There are women who'd take me from the airport at the middle of night. Or my English teacher who I forgot to ask to write my reference for Uni and she did it at the middle of night. My ex who told me not to struggle when I got fired, but to move to her place. Women are fucking awesome, you just have to found the right environment. It's like living in the desert and say that the earth has no fish. Maybe try something like a sea. There are 3. whatever billion women on this planet and the only one thing they have in common is that they have a pussy.
I think MGTOW is a horrible movement. If you want to, personally, avoid women... by all means do so. We should not be starting protest movements that try to push the other sex into behaviors that are bad for them. The feminist movement doesn't typically do that. It's more about self-defense and empowerment.
Both the sex have their pros and cons. If you as men, women typically have it harder due to menstrual cramps and safety concerns... but we just say that one sex always has it better than the others. I figure it's mostly a harmless movement... but I think this male entitlement attitude has sprung off some more destructive mentalities, especially within the incel community.
They're not wrong for the same reason that it's not wrong to be a cannibal if you crashed in an airplane on a mountainside and had nothing else to eat for weeks. There's not enough healthy women around today to sustain a healthy percentage of good relationships.
Not saying I agree with 100% of MGTOW philosophy but most of what I've heard sounds right. Personally I've tried to find the 'unicorn' woman who is worth trying to be traditional with. We'll see how that turns out.
You didn’t really come here to ask a question obviously.
He came to create a poll
He stated facts
And you know it
So the "question" was just a ruse to make a statement. Gotcha. Confirmed.
He came to bitch about how much he isn't getting laid. Poor him
You cold azz bitch!
Going MGTOW is not wrong. However, just as it is wrong to blame the chicken hawk for going after the pigeon because that is the hawk's nature, it is wrong to blame women for acting on their nature. Instead, blame our system that empowers women to behave the way they do.
The number of cheats is identical; it cannot be otherwise. However, more women than men cheat because although an average woman can cheat with a guy in the top 20%. they reject average guys. Therefore, it is almost impossible for an average guy to cheat. Most women cheat a little. The top 20% of guys cheat a lot and few average or below men cheat because they are rejected if they try.
There's another difference that a lot of guys don't think about tho... a man is expected to risk his life to protect his woman so it means something different if a woman cheats on a man vs. him cheating on her. She's risking way less in most cases. No, I don't cheat. Just saying.
in other words, if a man gets cheated ON... she's disrespecting & taking what he'd risk for granted. You can't compare men & women like comparing apples to apples cause regardless of what feminists claim men & women don't think or act the same.
@hahahmm Obviously, when a woman cheats, it is far worse. So much worse, when a cheats, it should be called something other than cheating. That is because when a man cheats, he is just having sex. However, when women cheat and become pregnant the man ends up paying $300,000 and a quarter of his lifetime raising another man's child.
Totally right.
If your choices are paying her for her infidelity or paying only for fun with whom you choose - guess which ones anyone with an ounce of self respect will choose?
Too many girls just aren't long term material; there is this cult of 'marry him and then fuck around while taking his money' - maybe because of Epstein and alike, maybe because they truly cannot find any purpose in life, save to get fucked to get validated.
Sadly, with pan Hindustan taking all the money, to simply have a woman at home for offspring and housekeeping is more often than not - too expensive (which is why they sleep around, in despair over that)
Going your own way is never the wrong way to go. The problem lies in being obsessed with the idea of going your own, or thinking that women don't fit into that paradigm.
To me, it's a shame that the title of this movement isn't instantly recognized for what it is. Were you going someone else's way before? It just reeks of frustrated puppydog rejects who think it's somehow abnormal or special to do what they want, when they want, because they've been desperately seeking someone else to follow all their lives. News flash: women don't respect men who act like servants. Men are SUPPOSED to be the leaders in their own lives. Going your own way and not letting anyone distract you from your goals is part of the job description. Do I agree that most women will sabotage your life by trying to bend you to her will? Absolutely! But it's your job to recognize that and part ways with them before they do any damage. Same with friends, colleagues, and family.
For actual relationships, women just aren't worth it anymore. I go the pump and dump route myself. Not all women are like that, you say? Maybe, but any woman can become like that at any time and the government will support her 100%. Which rattlesnake in the pit won't bite you? I'm not sticking my arm in to find out.
But you're part of the problem. You're actively contributing to that which you complain about.
@Jamie05rhs Don't hate the player; hate the game.
It's not a game, dude. You may not realize this, but your individual actions have an effect on families as well as entire communities.
@Jamie05rhs Awww... Boo Hoo
The basic idea of MGTOW is okay to me. Where I find problems is all the generalizations about women. Even if they hold true for most women, it doesn't take that much interaction with women (even just as friends, not dates or wives), to find exceptions to the rule. I think wanting little to do with women and seeing them all as problematic is missing out on at least a few good ones here and there that can enrich your life as opposed to making it worse.
I find practically the identical type of problems with the excesses of MGTOW as I do with the excesses of feminism. I'm not seeing a direction where men and women resolve their conflicts. They either want to throw fuel into the fire or have nothing to do with each other... and from a practical standpoint, if everyone was like that, we're working towards extinction.
One of the most obnoxious aspects I find about feminists is them rounding together and judging guys... like this feminist-centric notion of the male gaze, toxic masculinity, what it's supposedly like to have a dick and loads of testosterone without actually experiencing it. But I see MGTOW groups doing the same shit to women. So as an outsider to both, I feel like I'm tangled up in kindergarten-level mindsets.
There's levels to it.
But just going that way because you can't make a meaningful relationship. and blame that on women is like feminazis blaming men for everything. Just toxic all around.
Sadly your assessment is spot-on
Of course not. But expect to catch a lot of flack for it. Anytime you go against societal norms you will encounter blowback. By choosing MGTOW women will be pissed because they go through a lot of s*** to make themselves attractive to guys. Even if they don't say this they're thinking " how dare you not even notice me". Guys on the other hand will be upset that you're taking the easy way out. They will make machomeatheaded comments like " fine go MGTOW it just leaves more women for me". But unreality they know their game is just as weak as it was before. And even with better odds their results will still be the same lol.
In short you do you. Don't worry about anyone else.
It's perfectly understandable, I can't tell you how many of my friends, family members, coworkers, etc. have had their lives completely ruined by their former wives. Until the divorce and family court laws change, I don't see how one could think it reasonable for any man to get married.
If you choose to have relationships with women, though, just be sure that you're upfront about what sort of future you're willing to make with them (No marriage, etc.) so they don't end up wasting time if marriage is something they're really interested in..
Well, there are some great women out there, but most of them are never or rarely single.
The proliferation of single moms is even worse that many realize because they’re a disproportionately high percentage of single women. And they aren’t always single because the baby daddy irresponsibly left them. Even if that were the case, it’s still the same unattractive, chaotic situation and guys are best advised to avoid it.
It think that both genders have stereo typical problems, it’s not like these issues are all of a sudden a new problem.
@Subarugirl. True but the legally enforced gynocracy has allowed women to run amok.
@KrakenAttackin First of all is spelled gynecocracy. Also according to the New York Times and several other reputable news organizations, the United States is still very much a patriarchal society. If what you claim was even remotely true, should put government be made up primarily women?
@Subarugirl According to the Mao Fan Club Daily, communism is best. Let's play who has the source that says what they want to hear.
@hahahmm I'm sure you could find what ever you wanted to support what you want to believe. Flat earthers have "evidence" lol. But back to patriarchy, it's evident that he grand majority of societies are patriarchal. Patriarchy is a social system in which men hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property.
@Subarugirl The New York Times, is left wing of course they are going to side with the feminists.
@beefy40 but you have to admit by definition the untied states is patriarchal, I mean women weren't even allowed to vote until the 1920s or allowed to open their own checking accounts until the 1960s. Today our government officials are still primarily male.
@Subarugirl How do you breathe with those buckets of tears gushing down your face? Last time I checked, women can vote whatever candidates they want into office. If you have a problem with the system, blame the women you know. Also the last time I checked, women benefit financially from every bad decision they make... welfare, government funded tuition, child support, alimony. The list goes on and on.
@hahahmm Lol I don't have a problem, I'm just pointing out that this isn't a gynecocracy
Oh here we go with the vote... women werent allowed to vote until 1920s and men were only allowed to vote because they had to go to war for it.
As for your "men hold all the positions" argument, you forget to mention they also do all the worst and most dangerous jobs society has to offer. You should remember that next time you take a shit because there a man on the other side making sure your shit gets flushed.
Infact you should remember that every time you turn on your lights, go to the grocery store and fill your car with gas. Your daily life made possible by men. Some of which will lose their lives maintaining the reciever towers that allow you to go on the internet and bitch about the patriarchy
@grega239 okay two things, I said most not all, and I am not even remotely complaining, The 20s was a century ago, things aren't like that any more obviously. All I was saying was that we live in a patriarchy, not a gynecocracy or matriarchy or how ever you want to say it.
You dont live in a patriarchy. Men are no longer legally responsible for their wives.
Women have free agency and are mens "equals" in the eyes of the law. Except you're not are you. War is still the sole burden of men and women cannot be drafted or recruited on government orders can you. Women have gender quotas and affirmative action programs. Which means that the government has created legislation that provides women with legal advantages over men. That makes you legally superior to men. Thats not patriarchy is it.
And as far as women's social standing.
Chivalry is still expected by women from men despite the fact that women want equality.
You live in a gyno centric society not a patriarchy. If you actually lives in a patriarchal society, you probably wouldn't be talking about it on the internet because you wouldn't be allowed to have a phone.
@grega239 Personally I think that women should be drafted the same as men, but that is besides the point, thankfully were on a pretty even playing field, more so that 60 years. How ever men still predominantly hold positions of power and authority over women. I am not complaining, it's just a fact, and pretty much the essence of was a patriarchy is. The government which is primarily male run are the ones passing this legislation.
Patriarchy is literally defined as "a social system in which men hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property" you can't tell me that the shoes doesn't fit.
You don't have a problem cause you don't live in a patriarchy. You are priveleged.
Hahaha men have social privelege you are so extremely delusional. More and more men are going to grow up hating women. Lovely.
Just because most high positions are held by men doesn't mean they have power over women. so the shoe doesn't fit.
Did you ever consider that men holad those positions because they were morr competent for it? Of course you didn't
@grega239 I never said they were I’m just saying that a patriarchy is when positions of power in a society are held by predominantly men, I’m sure that we can agree on that. In the US the highest offices are held by predominantly men, which means they have a lot of power, over men and women both.
Yes the highest offices are held by men because they were either elected bty men and women or appointed by whoever is in charge of a certain office. Mostly men doesn't mean patriarchy because by that logic the school sysmtem is a matriachy because its predominantly occupied by women.
And did you ever consider the possibility that most women simply dont want to be in those positions and therefore never apply for them?
@grega239 Notably, close to half of all principals today, including two-thirds of those serving high schools, are men, as are more than three-quarters of school-district superintendents.
@grega239 according to an article that Atlantic published in February of 2019
The women in the school system still outnumber the men. My point stands
@grega239 as teachers maybe, yet the positions of authority and administration are held by primarily men. But that's besides the point, the school system isn't the government. But that is an interesting example. Since about 77% of teachers are female, why are the higher administrative positions held by predominantly men? Wouldn't it make logical sense that with such a high percentage of female teachers that as they are promoted that would carry over into the administrative positions?
@Subarugirl. The New York Times? Are you serious? The NYT was once a credible news source but now is just a part of the left wing noise machine. Also, my spell check says Gynocracy, but as you have the vagina I guess we have to do it your way.
@grega239 Let's add that most women don't want other women is positions of serious power.
@KrakenAttackin for someone who hates women you sure seem to know a lot about them
@Subarugirl. I don't hate women en masse , I can't stand modern women who are so violently hypocritical and entitled.
@KrakenAttackin you mean women who don't agree with you...
@Subarugirl. I do not at all agree that the U. S. is a patriarchy. Women have men under thumb legally, socially, and financially.
Laws are badly biased toward the advantage of women. Don't believe me? Make a phone call and see how fast you can bet your husband arrested for domestic violence with no evidence whatsoever. Divorce your husband and watch the court award the house, kids, and tons of money to you. Have a few drinks, have "consensual" sex with your husband, than wake up the morning and decide it was a "mistake" and have your husband arrested for "rape".
Don't believe me? Look at the #MeToo movement which has been weaponised beyond getting rid lecherous men and now is used by women to brutalize men who haven't done anything wrong.
Look at social programs and how much funding is thrown at women:. "Women Infants and Children" programs, "Women's and Children's" hospitals. Did you know there is THREE TIMES as much spent on women's health care issues as man's health issues, but women already outlive men and are a bigger percentage of the population.
Men are much more likely to be assaulted, murdered, live in poverty, be homeless, than women.
Society is centered around the protection and advancement of women.
@KrakenAttackin men are the ones passing those laws.. and women are more likely to be sexually abused, raped, and victims of domestic abuse. The world is a shitty place my friend, it kind of sucks for everyone, and historically it used to suck for women more. Did you know that women pay significantly more for just about everything marketed towards them... can't we just agree that everything sucks for everyone at this point and the society is broken.
@Subarugirl. Men (boys) are just as likely to be sexually abused as girls BUT make victims of sexual abuse are shamed and told to repress it. MEN are just as likely to suffer domestic violence as women, JUST AS LIKELY. Women are very capable of violence.
Men are passing the laws? Maybe, but but due to successful pressure by women's groups.
You, as a young, attractive, white female, are a part of the most coddled and entitled group that has ever existed in history. What kills guys like me is how oblivious you are to your own privilege.
@KrakenAttackin I am privileged, but I have also been the victim of emotional, physical, and sexual abuse starting from an early age. The fact is, if you live in a first world country, you’re privileged, sex aside. But just because I am a 24 year old woman doesn’t mean my life has been sunshine and roses. I have been sexually abused and harassed, I’ve had to deal with sexism, ( which is still around by the way).
No it doesn't make logical sense.
@grega239 which part?
@Subarugirl. Almost everyone has some kind of trauma or abuse from childhood. The difference is women like you think you have the market cornered on trauma and you should be treated like snowflakes.
Seriously, being a pretty blond white girl is a huge privilege, but you are so used to your privilege you don't have any perspective, and certainly no empathy.
still trying to push a narrative she even tried to fucking sell me a stupid Subaru car is a dumb looking car with rust issues when it gets older what about you Subaru girl are you have rust spots when you get old?
The part that you said that if the majority of teachers are female, it would make sense that it would also be the majority of women as principals. Thats not how that works.
https://youtu.be/nfelBg6o8HA
Meanwhile in other news today people not having these bulshit conversations
@yofuknutz lol why you lying. I don’t even working is sales. You’re just upset that you were wrong.
@KrakenAttackin I never said that. Why do you feel the need to keep putting words in my mouth. My point was that society kind of sucks for everyone these days.
^^^^ nice try now you're back peddling the fuck out of here take your crusty-ass back to Brooklyn
@yofuknutz “The world is a shitty place my friend, it kind of sucks for everyone, and historically it used to suck for women more. Did you know that women pay significantly more for just about everything marketed towards them... can't we just agree that everything sucks for everyone at this point and the society is broken.“
^^^^ so at this point we are at the escalation talks next time think about that before you push the feminist narrative you will start a fire fight you cannot even finish or put out did you learn a lesson today I hope so I'm going to give you a pass one-time offer now you may get the fuck out of here don't come back run along now. Yeah the world sucks always has.
@yofuknutz which part? The part where I was explaining which Subarus out rank Hyundai on the IIHS safety ratings, or why ever new car dealer in North America has been impacted by the availability of new cars, or was it the part that I told you that no one was pressuring you to buy a car. If you don’t want to be called out for stupid shit… don’t say stupid shit
Oh you going to play the victim card fuk you fuk rotten car dealers cuz you're all corrupt motherfukers all of you let me tell you something bitch when society when people like me get set up with people like you take your place lined up against the wall
@yofuknutz I am not a victim. Which is why I am standing up for myself, I’m sorry you don’t like that. At least I don’t have to make stuff up to try and make myself look better.
Oh now you're back in the office look at you but yet you got to push that narrative
@yofuknutz and what narrative would that be? Enlighten me, what narrative am I trying to push.
I'm raising my hand now I got to go to take a shit can I be dismissed now?
@yofuknutz lol you have an interesting sense of humor.
^^^^ you damn right I'm the best baby now can you find out what's the closest dealer that has a Subaru that sells a hybrid for the American Southeast
@yofuknutz I already gave you a list of states that sell them. Beyond that any Subaru dealer with in those states could order one if they don't have one in stock.
Okay just tell me what state is the closest to the southeast that you have a Subaru dealer that sells a hybrid if I have to rent a car and drive up there I'll do it I'm crazy like that as you can tell already
@yofuknutz Connecticut, California, Maine, Maryland, New Jersey, Oregon, New York, Maryland, Vermont, and Rhode Island are the states that sell the hybrid Crosstrek.
wait is subaru a type of car?
^^^^^ yes it is similar to Toyota with a more rugged Outback feel to it
@Subarugirl is
is that where your name comes from
@Lillie_xo Yeah, I work for Subaru.
@Subarugirl any good?
@Lillie_xo Yeah I love my job. Subaru is a great company to work for. Individual dealerships are different though since those are operated more like franchises.
@Subarugirl good to hear !
@Lillie_xo It's kind of funny because a lot of people see my user name and all the see is the "Sub" part lol
@Subarugirl yeah thats what i thought whenevr i saw it
@grega239 Bravo! Well said! As I said, these women have no idea how privileged and protected they are. The most privileged and entitled women in the world are young white women, but they still rage against a phantom oppressor.
@Subarugirl I mean entitled, privileged, arrogant, clueless, reckless, dangerous, women.
@Subarugirl I do not, for a second, believe, that YOU believe, women should be subject to the draft.
@Subarugirl women pay more for things that are marketed toward them because they will buy stupid sht and pay any amount for it. This is marketers (plenty of which are women) taking advantage of the personality defects of women.
Interesting point when I seen men purchase female products I've also seen them pay even higher prices because their male and inexperienced regards to prices as what they're supposed to be.
@KrakenAttackin I’m is Israel most people are required to serve 2 years in the military. I think that is a great idea! It doesn’t matter weather you believe me, it’s true.
@KrakenAttackin we all live here, we should all be willing to serve our country. I personally was seriously contemplating enlisting in the Airforce.
There's nothing impressive about Israel and I'm pro-israeli but I've lost respect for it it is a police state without a second or a Fifth Amendment. I have never heard such a thing you got to walk around with unload rifle that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard
@yofuknutz that is besides the point. I think that 2 years service would do a lot of people good
No it means you're a slave to the state and you know how I know this why the fuck are they having motherfukers walking around with unloaded rifles that means you're somebody's bitch and life if you're going to carry a gun if that be loaded rock and roll
@yofuknutz you could argue that paying taxes makes you a slave to the state too
Already ahead of you honey
If you truly go your own way and no longer focus on women ever sure be on your way.
but lets face it you say this and yet a majority of your time will be spent on what the women whom you hate hurt you because you got a chip on your shoulder for them.
its a major hypocritical movement
Yes because they’re just not in touch with reality. One or a few unproductive experiences seems to turn them into moping excuse makers rather than growing up into decent men and having a bit about them, that would ironically enable them to create a better life. Life IS challenging, for everyone. The sooner they get over that, the happier they’ll be. It’s apparently a sad world we live in now.
Famous brilliant quote that denotes great character “it’s not how many times you get knocked down, it’s how many times you stand back up”. The easiest thing in the world would be to fall into the MGTOW crowd as someone who prefers excuses over any level of real effort. But the best things in life never came easy. Did nobody teach these guys this?
Just to be clear, I’ve not had time to read beyond your title. And we’ve just had a recent mass shooting of innocents by some deranged extremist lad who thought along those women hating lines.
I am not MGTOW like this guy but can you blame him? I am 30 and never had a girlfriend despite trying cause I'm ugly.
Get prepared for more shootings
That's why love nobody is talking about
@Steven8000 yes I can blame him. There is someone for everyone. Anyone who works on themselves hard enough will end up where they really want to be one way or a other. That’s just how reality works. Go looking for excuses? You’ll find them. Go looking for a relationship? You’ll find it. Go looking for happiness you’ll find it. Go looking for trouble. You’ll find it. That’s just how life works at the end of the day.
@Hallo626262 make sure you keep it up as the police are cracking down on this type of “extremism” as it’s now being labelled.
@yofuknutz what do you mean? It being classed as extremism? Oh services are, don’t you worry.
@Steven8000 fairy tale are real. SMH
@Drzen well if it’s a fairy tale and not happiness you’re going for no wonder you have issues. Grow up.
The hypocrite society and hypocrite Hollywood/ Disney movie did brain wash many guys it was too good on paper but in the reality it's totally different world. The women will always lose interest in good guy because he's good and not abusive and peaceful
I have issues you're right. My car transmission need replacement I don't know how you did know that.
Now tell me how many good guy you refused at your prime years?
let me tell you something anonymous if I get so much as a parking ticket I shove it up your ass that you have to ask permission to take a dump people are fed up with bullshit
@Hallo626262 , the shootings will occur just before the 2022 elections, to deflect attention from the democrats midnight ballot printing.
Keep up what? What are you talking about?
I would disagree, I believe it would take more than a few traumatic instances to drive someone into hermitville. Perhaps they are hearing others horror stories and surmising that it’s hopeless and that all women are like that. I know it’s wrong to automatically lump certain segments of folks into one neat column, it never works that way.
^^^^^^ is this an extreme or is it a legitimate grievance
People overthink. Humans are supposed to be the superior species. I think animals have one up on us as we continue to “progress” and “evolve”. Basic instincts and gut feels in individual moments do cut the shit out of life.
Dood. The world is full of great women who don't think this way at all. Come on down to South America and your life will be much different. MGTOW is for losers who don't look for solutions. Take control of you life.