School teacher removes US flag because it makes her feel "uncomfortable." Tells students instead to pledge allegiance to the LGBTQ flag. Thoughts?

[Physics-Man]

• https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1817
• https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/story/2021-08-30/newport-mesa-unified-school-district-teacher-under-fire-for-social-media-post-rejecting-flag?_amp=true
• https://patch.com/california/newportbeach/amp/29836432/ca-teacher-under-fire-after-telling-class-to-pledge-to-pride-flag
• https://nypost.com/2021/08/30/ca-teacher-encouraged-students-to-pledge-gay-pride-flag-video/
• https://www.newsweek.com/teacher-removed-after-having-students-pledge-lgbtq-flag-over-uncomfortable-us-flag-1624350?amp=1
• https://news.yahoo.com/california-teacher-boasts-not-having-174849767.html
• https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9936963/School-district-investigates-teacher-video-encouraging-students-pledge-allegiance-gay-pride-flag.html#article-9936963

[MCheetah]

As a teacher, I can say with confidence that this brain-washing cunt should get suspended for that. It wouldn't have even been so bad if she didn't add in the LGBT flag instead. So supporting your country and its community is bad, but supporting something the majority of Americans aren't comfortable with, is "the right thing to do." No. Fuck this bitch. Anyone trying to brainwash and indoctrinate their students should be fired on the spot, in my opinion. Your job is to teach the material and possibly get them to learn how to do critical thinking, not brainwash them (this included CRT brainwashing).

[fr44c3iqqs]

You said everything right except when you chose to insult the teacher. I don’t disagree that it is weird, but nobody should be pushed to support anything,; that includes America, LGBT, Native American Tribes, etc. as in believing this or that or pledging allegiance to it. It is up to the teacher if she wants to pledge allegiance to the LGBT flag, but not up to her for the students to do so. That is what freedom is about! And hecks, this never even came into my mind before. To everyone their own but the LGBT thing isn’t a country! And LGBT stuff shouldn’t even be taught in elementary or middle school anyways! And the transgender stuff should be kept out of schools. I don’t condone bullying, but students have a lot of more important stuff to think about than if they view themselves as something they are not born of. They can cross dress if they want, I have no problem with that, or even wear something that is altered and modified to look like the type of their gender while still identifying as their gender, but enough with the brainwashing!

[Interstate]

@fr44c3iqqs It is because this Country still is what it is, that we have it as easy as we do. But I have to disagree with you saying nobody should be forced to support America. If you are an American, you SHOULD be forced to support it. Look at all the other Countries that can't support their own citizens. WE ARE DAMN LUCKY to have what we do, and it is because it's America.

[fr44c3iqqs]

@Interstate Well, penalizing people for not standing up for the pledge or national anthem is throwing away taxpayer money.

[Interstate]

@fr44c3iqqs Who the hell said anything about fining people?

[Miristheiss]

I'd be having a talk with the principle and with that teacher.
You pretty much have to send your kids to private school these days to keep your kids away from psycho, radical, activist educators.

This is why the country has such a generation of whiny victims who bitch about everything and are so offended by everything and hate their own country so much.

Teachers like this and psycho teachers in university Humanities. Their goal isn't to train up, well educated, productive citizens but rather "activists" to burn the country down.

[rcljr]

She’s another whiny, entitled leftist sack of shit, just like every other leftist.

[OlderAndWiser]

This dumb bitch should not be allowed to teach our children.

[exitseven]

@OlderAndWiser straight and to the point.

[ADFSDF1996]

As if we needed anymore proof that the American left wing is a totalitarian regime waiting to happen.

Wake up America 🇺🇸

[weasley8]

I saw the video. She wasn't seriously telling the kid to pledge to the Pride flag. She was making a joke.

She didn't take the US flag down in some protest. She took it down because our country was in a really rough state. A lot of people didn't know what would happen, and a lot of people didn't have a lot of faith at that time. She took it down during Covid, I'm guessing in the time leading up to or around the insurrection. Our country was a mess, and sometimes seemed like it would fall apart, and I can understand why keeping the flag up might be a constant reminder of that fact, and how that could cause stress.

Either way, she didn't take it down in protest. She took it down for her own comfort. She also stated in the video that the reason it is still down is just because she packed it away somewhere and hasn't found it yet. She isn't refusing to. The school is perfectly capable of giving her another if they really want to.

Finally, the comment about the pride flag was made after a student asked about the pledge of allegiance. She made a joke that if the student wants to, there is another flag in the room. It was a joke. You can say it was a bad joke, but either way, it wasn't malicious. No reasonable person could make the argument that this teacher is somehow trying to turn kids against the US, or whatever else.

In my opinion, her main mistake was posting it. The media goes crazy over the slightest thing, especially when it relates to patriotism. She likely didn't anticipate that it would be interpreted the way it was, but still. Teachers get in trouble for their social media all the time, over ridiculous things. You have to be careful.

[SomeStoner]

There was no insurrection, ask the FBI.
What does Covid have to do with being an unpatriotic ingrate?

[pjf1958]

She certainly had impeccable timing. I'm sure the parents of those service members who were killed attempting to protect "LIVES' would love to shake her hand, and tell her how proud they are of her, for insulting our country, our flag, and of course the grieving families.

[zagor]

Sorry, but I watched some of her other posts and it obviously DOES represent her views. Which she has the right to, up until the point where she is in front of her classroom.

[weasley8]

*Attempted* insurrection. Is that better? 🙄

It has nothing to do with patriotism. Our country was a mess, and the flag could easily be a reminder of that which would cause stress.

I don't think that the parents of service members particularly care. They're not her students. They're not likely to spend much time in her classroom. It isn't an insult to service members because it has nothing to do with them and doesn't impact them in any way.

And I never said she didn't have political opinions, nor that she is the most patriotic person in the world. I just said that she never forced her students to pledge to the pride flag, nor refused to put up the US flag again.

She made the decision during Covid, when she probably didn't even have students in her classroom. And the only reason it is still down is that she doesn't know where it is.

[Rachelspiks]

"She took it down because our country was in a really rough state."
Why are you using the past tense here? "Was" in a really rough state? No, it still IS. Actually, from my perspective, things are far, far worse now than they were last year over there.

[Interstate]

In times of our Country being in a "really rough state", are the times when we need our flag flying the most!

[Interstate]

@pjf1958 👏

[weasley8]

I used the past tense because she made the decision in the past. The current state of the country is irrelevant because she didn’t know what it would be when she took down the flag.

And @Interstate whether we “need” the flag up or not is a matter of opinion. She took it down for her own mental health. Have you ever been on a plane and heard that if the plane is crashing, you put your own mask on first before you try to help others. She took the flag down to take care of herself. When -once again- there probably weren’t even students in the classroom. It’s not a bad thing to make a decision for yourself. Self care is not selfish.

[Daniela1982]

Teachers have been fired for a lot less. If she wants to proclaim her sexuality a classroom isn't the place -who knows, maybe in an all girls school? But there are parades for that. Next thing you know she will be giving the kids gay colored Slushies.

[888theGreat]

she will be rocking with one of the kids next

[888theGreat]

they call it grinding now

[ChrisMaster69]

Utter bollox.

im actually supportive of LGBT and it’s idiots like her that give those against it so much ammunition to use against it all.

The national flag comes first and then if required other ones on a shorter flag pole etc.

Yes there should be sexual and religious freedom at school, however it needs to be sensible.

Equally it’s a bit North Korean to have children indoctrinated to swear allegiance.

imagine a country where kids are pretty much made by peer pressure and adults to swear allegiance to the country….

not 1984 at all lol

[NamerOfStars]

I'd wondered when this particular brand of nonsense was going to get started. There's a lot to admire about the US. More in theory than in practice, but then, that's true of everything. But a failure to live up to high ideals is not a failure of the ideals.

Vowing allegiance to a rag on a stick always struck me as idiotic, and changing which rag it is doesn't change that. Forcing children to do it... I refused from the get-go, but few people of ANY age have the guts to do that, let alone KIDS.

[hahahmm]

When I was a kid we lived every day with the knowledge that any random hour there could be a widespread nuclear war that would end life as we know it... pledging allegiance was the least of our problems and it was more important to have a sense of national identity than to project an image of confusion and weakness. There were real consequences if the nation seemed too weak.

[NamerOfStars]

@hahahmm Blind obedience IS weakness. It doesn't matter to who or what. If your sense of identity relies on doing what you're told, what makes you think you deserve to win?

And I feel obligated to point that the threat of a widespread nuclear surprise attack hasn't gone away.

[hahahmm]

@NamerOfStars Just because you assert it doesn't make it true. IF a child follows the rule of not crossing a street before making sure that it's safe then the odds of them getting killed by a motorist is close to zero. The "strong" -- in your thinking - kid who believes they know best is way more likely to get hit and killed by a car. Likewise there's a lot of know-it-alls in today's world telling us that our ancestors were wrong about everything but these know-it-alls can't even organize their own lives, nor do they have any proof of their ways being better in the vast majority of instances. I'll take my chances doing things the proven ways.

[NamerOfStars]

@hahahmm I never said a thing about the kid who knows what's best. I said that following authority unquestioningly is a form of weakness. Doing things "the proven ways" would have you running from lions on the Serengeti, because those new-fangled "spears" didn't have an established track record. Innovation requires questioning the status quo, and accepting the possibility that you could do better.

[hahahmm]

Analogy is a thing. TLDR on your post. We didn't have weak people when I was a kid. Today it's epidemic. Apparently too much freedom is weakness. That's just fact based observation of all the whinny pussies running around today. Next.

[NamerOfStars]

@hahahmm You didn't have weak people? Really? The cowards who let Carter reinstitute Federal battle slavery weren't weak? The people who screamed and cowered in the face of GRID? Who can''t handle the intellectual heavy lifting to read four sentence paragraphs or properly use semicolons?

Yeah, you sure showed me.

[TwinkleLily5]

That’s weird and crazy and out of line as a teacher, if that was my kid in her class I would have been pissed off. I don’t have anything against the LGBTQ community but that is something that shouldn’t be forced on kids. I hope she had the parents consent to do so other wise she needs to be fired.

[Curmudgeon]

This woman should be stripped and put into a cell with a gang of Islamic jihadists. then she can learn about which cultures really treat homosexuality with less than the full affirmation she thinks she deserves.

Indeed, certain cooperative prisoners who rat out other terrorists could be rewarded with a special kind of conjugal visit with her. We get the intel we need, repentant terrorist gets release, Leftist "womyn" is taught a life altering lesson by having her bones jumped. Win-win-win.

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

First off, I respectfully support the LBGT movement just like anything but it’s a movement, not a country or a nation.


Second, you can protest saluting the flag if you want such as taking a knee to present you have questions about your nation but still honor the men and women who have lost their lives fighting for our nation and the rights we enjoy today. I come from a military family so I grew up with a respect of honor and respect yet still understanding it’s okay to have a healthy discussion about the inconsistency of being a nation that’s for the people.


This was just unnecessary and completely has no good foundation of anything good which makes it more sad. If you have an issue with how our government is doing things then you do it with a debate of ideas and minds but not disrespect. I’m assuming this is one radical person who did this and truly doesn’t reflect everyone on the LBGTQ movement so that’s something that gives me happiness.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Oh lord...

Listen, I have 0 problem with her not having the flag up in the classroom. The nationalism in the last 4 years has become absolutely toxic and the idea that people are not allowed to protest in this manner stand in opposition to the very rights those nationalists claim to love.

I have no problem with her displaying pride colors on her person, though the flag in the classroom was one step too far I think. Show equality to both flags or hang none.

No, the real problem here is social media and, once again, people doing really dumb things for their 15 minutes. I do think those who love the idea of throwing the name "snowflakes" at liberals are once again failing to look in the mirror, but even I agree she took it a step too far and I am part of LGBT.

[pjf1958]

It was her timing more than anything

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Mm iunno, like she seems like really fun to be around, but you gotta question her judgment on this one. Like I'd want her as a friend but not so much like making judgment calls lmao

[Mishan97]

I guess I missed the part where she’s forcing her students to do anything. She didn’t force them to pledge allegiance to the pride flag. Just made a joke and said well that flags there if you want to face towards it. She never forced the student to do anything. Don’t see the issue here at all. The kids probably don’t even understand what the pride flag or why we recite a pledge every morning in the first place. When I was that age it was just part of routine for me. I never attached any meaning to it. So I really think these parents are overreacting a bit. She never said anything negative about the US either.

[lolcraft]

Since when has ignorance been a defence?

[Mishan97]

@lolcraft not using ignorance as a defense. Just saying this is getting blown out of proportion. I don’t agree with her comments and thought it was kinda weird but at the end of the day she didn’t really say anything that could sway any kids opinion about the country. She just said she has the pride flag in her classroom and if they think it’s weird to say the pledge to no flag, well it’s the only flag she has at the moment. Did she ever say that they have to pledge to that flag? Or that they should pledge allegiance to the US flag? Or that there’s anything wrong with America or being patriotic? No. The fact that people are THIS sensitive about a flag just goes to show how overly nationalistic American society is. In no other country would this be such a huge issue.

[Qdbrown]

Disagree. If not the US flag, to teach civic pride, should not replace with a Pride flag to have kids confused and asking questions at that age, for something they would not understand, and most parents would not be comfortable discussing to elementary kids, even if they supported gay rights. It's just not the time or place.

[Mishan97]

@Qdbrown yeah agree it’s not really the time or place but I just think the whole thing got blown out of proportion. It’s just a rainbow flag. She didn’t mention that she elaborated on what the flag meant. So rlly just think this is people being overly sensitive and nationalistic.

[rcljr]

@lolcraft , since lefties found out they can use it as a crutch or platform to cry about some perceived injustice.

[SpiderManFan2002]

That’s silly. The classroom isn’t really a place for flags to begin with- unless you’re teaching the kids about different countries in geography for example.


That being said, though it is preferable not to have any flags in the classroom I can understand that a patriotic American school, may want an American flag to represent who they are or whatever. I don’t think any students in a regular public school, should be made to pledge allegiance to anything though.

[exitseven]

No, saluting the flag is a privilege just as refusing to salute the flag is still a privileges in this country.

[Fuentes]

Our country flag or state flag should always be permitted, but an adults sexuality should be kept quiet when teaching children.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@exitseven Never said it wasn’t.

[Interstate]

@Fuentes 👏

[purplepoppy]

Surely as minors they can't be legally held to any pledge let alone one their forced to take. Perhaps the kids should claim the lgbt flag makes them feel uncomfortable because it goes against their religious beliefs.

[Bluemax]

They are not legally held to any pledge. I've had a handful of students who didn't.

[insignificant_person]

This is modern days. I am not saying that I am against homosexuals, transsexuals etc. but I am angry when they are forcing their rainbows and ideology to us. And in these days they are forcing this neomarxistic thoughts to us. They ale are Americans and they should have there US flag. I don't know how can she feel uncomfortable. But I get why there can be a few people in that class who would feel uncomfortable having rainbows flags there. But she doesn't care about others opinions because she "knows" that this is right.

These movements say that they want freedom and are against racism and so on although they are even racists (they are against white) and support only lgbt thoughts. Everybody who has different opinion is considered as fascist and so on. So that's their "freedom". And they are brainwashing minds of normal people. So support your country and save it from these people!

[humpbackjack]

She’s out of line and should be fired. Not because she gay but because she is trying to push her beliefs and her sexuality onto kids and doesn’t have enough sense to realize that half of the kids in classes parents are going to be banging down their the principals door and then will be heading straight to the superintendent. If you live in the United States and are teaching kids the US flag isn’t something you should be teaching them to hate or be against and definitely shouldn’t try and replace it with a different flag

[PinkLady21]

I support LGBTQ rights but forcing students to pledge allegiance to it isn’t right 🙄🤷🏻‍♀️ And if she has something against the country she shouldn’t live there and certainly shouldn’t teach there

[Anonymous]

Ah yeah. That good old American flag representing the nation which countless soldiers have fought and died for, in order to preserve her rights and allow her to have a voice. I can see how that might piss her off a bit. When exactly did patriotism become political? I'm old enough to remember when Democrats, Republicans, LGBTQ, and immigrants from all over the world would have no problem showing their respect for the country where they enjoy more freedoms than any other nation on earth.

Dammit! Can we just be China, Afghanistan or North Korea for one day, and show these ungrateful bastards what's it like without the freedoms they take for granted every day of their hate-filled lives?

[witness1]

You might want to read the full story. She actually taught the kids one more freedom, they didn't know about. That she ended it in a very misplaced comment about the "other flag in the room" was her actual mistake, and even that is debatable, in how grave it really was.

[hahahmm]

I can see why past civilizations that lasted for thousands of years didn't let people do just whatever made them feel good and had certain rigid social customs. Eventually a lot of people will go back to that style of living and people like this teacher will be obsolete/redundant/begging for food in the street.

[Hypnos0929]

"I think slavery and oppression is better than people doing harmless things I dislike"

[hahahmm]

@Hypnos0929 The people claiming that society is headed in the right direction are the same people who try to ignore/minimize the murder of tens of millions done in the name of socialism so it doesn't bother me if they want to bring up slavery or oppression. I don't give much weight to hypocrites.

[FunkyMonkee]

I'd pledge to the
Let''s
Get
Biden
To
Quit flag!!
But, seriously, folks, the bitch oughta be fired!!! She's not there to indoctrinate those kids, she's paid with OUR tax money to TEACH them stuff they can use in their lives!! Things like: math, English, science, history, art, etc..

[KellyKOO]

Social media clout gone wrong. I saw the video and knew she wasn't being genuine. I have friends who are gay and they don't even like stuff like this. They just want to be treated like a normal person.

[Daniela1982]

Then why do they have parades? Is that normal?

[KellyKOO]

@Daniela1982 my friends don't have parades.

[Daniela1982]

Good to know.