School teacher removes US flag because it makes her feel "uncomfortable." Tells students instead to pledge allegiance to the LGBTQ flag. Thoughts?

[Physics-Man]

• https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1817
• https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/story/2021-08-30/newport-mesa-unified-school-district-teacher-under-fire-for-social-media-post-rejecting-flag?_amp=true
• https://patch.com/california/newportbeach/amp/29836432/ca-teacher-under-fire-after-telling-class-to-pledge-to-pride-flag
• https://nypost.com/2021/08/30/ca-teacher-encouraged-students-to-pledge-gay-pride-flag-video/
• https://www.newsweek.com/teacher-removed-after-having-students-pledge-lgbtq-flag-over-uncomfortable-us-flag-1624350?amp=1
• https://news.yahoo.com/california-teacher-boasts-not-having-174849767.html
• https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9936963/School-district-investigates-teacher-video-encouraging-students-pledge-allegiance-gay-pride-flag.html#article-9936963

[MCheetah]

As a teacher, I can say with confidence that this brain-washing cunt should get suspended for that. It wouldn't have even been so bad if she didn't add in the LGBT flag instead. So supporting your country and its community is bad, but supporting something the majority of Americans aren't comfortable with, is "the right thing to do." No. Fuck this bitch. Anyone trying to brainwash and indoctrinate their students should be fired on the spot, in my opinion. Your job is to teach the material and possibly get them to learn how to do critical thinking, not brainwash them (this included CRT brainwashing).

[fr44c3iqqs]

You said everything right except when you chose to insult the teacher. I don’t disagree that it is weird, but nobody should be pushed to support anything,; that includes America, LGBT, Native American Tribes, etc. as in believing this or that or pledging allegiance to it. It is up to the teacher if she wants to pledge allegiance to the LGBT flag, but not up to her for the students to do so. That is what freedom is about! And hecks, this never even came into my mind before. To everyone their own but the LGBT thing isn’t a country! And LGBT stuff shouldn’t even be taught in elementary or middle school anyways! And the transgender stuff should be kept out of schools. I don’t condone bullying, but students have a lot of more important stuff to think about than if they view themselves as something they are not born of. They can cross dress if they want, I have no problem with that, or even wear something that is altered and modified to look like the type of their gender while still identifying as their gender, but enough with the brainwashing!

[Interstate]

@fr44c3iqqs It is because this Country still is what it is, that we have it as easy as we do. But I have to disagree with you saying nobody should be forced to support America. If you are an American, you SHOULD be forced to support it. Look at all the other Countries that can't support their own citizens. WE ARE DAMN LUCKY to have what we do, and it is because it's America.

[fr44c3iqqs]

@Interstate Well, penalizing people for not standing up for the pledge or national anthem is throwing away taxpayer money.

[Interstate]

@fr44c3iqqs Who the hell said anything about fining people?

[Miristheiss]

I'd be having a talk with the principle and with that teacher.
You pretty much have to send your kids to private school these days to keep your kids away from psycho, radical, activist educators.

This is why the country has such a generation of whiny victims who bitch about everything and are so offended by everything and hate their own country so much.

Teachers like this and psycho teachers in university Humanities. Their goal isn't to train up, well educated, productive citizens but rather "activists" to burn the country down.

[rcljr]

She’s another whiny, entitled leftist sack of shit, just like every other leftist.

[OlderAndWiser]

This dumb bitch should not be allowed to teach our children.

[exitseven]

@OlderAndWiser straight and to the point.

[ADFSDF1996]

As if we needed anymore proof that the American left wing is a totalitarian regime waiting to happen.

Wake up America 🇺🇸

[weasley8]

I saw the video. She wasn't seriously telling the kid to pledge to the Pride flag. She was making a joke.

She didn't take the US flag down in some protest. She took it down because our country was in a really rough state. A lot of people didn't know what would happen, and a lot of people didn't have a lot of faith at that time. She took it down during Covid, I'm guessing in the time leading up to or around the insurrection. Our country was a mess, and sometimes seemed like it would fall apart, and I can understand why keeping the flag up might be a constant reminder of that fact, and how that could cause stress.

Either way, she didn't take it down in protest. She took it down for her own comfort. She also stated in the video that the reason it is still down is just because she packed it away somewhere and hasn't found it yet. She isn't refusing to. The school is perfectly capable of giving her another if they really want to.

Finally, the comment about the pride flag was made after a student asked about the pledge of allegiance. She made a joke that if the student wants to, there is another flag in the room. It was a joke. You can say it was a bad joke, but either way, it wasn't malicious. No reasonable person could make the argument that this teacher is somehow trying to turn kids against the US, or whatever else.

In my opinion, her main mistake was posting it. The media goes crazy over the slightest thing, especially when it relates to patriotism. She likely didn't anticipate that it would be interpreted the way it was, but still. Teachers get in trouble for their social media all the time, over ridiculous things. You have to be careful.

[SomeStoner]

There was no insurrection, ask the FBI.
What does Covid have to do with being an unpatriotic ingrate?

[pjf1958]

She certainly had impeccable timing. I'm sure the parents of those service members who were killed attempting to protect "LIVES' would love to shake her hand, and tell her how proud they are of her, for insulting our country, our flag, and of course the grieving families.

[zagor]

Sorry, but I watched some of her other posts and it obviously DOES represent her views. Which she has the right to, up until the point where she is in front of her classroom.

[weasley8]

*Attempted* insurrection. Is that better? 🙄

It has nothing to do with patriotism. Our country was a mess, and the flag could easily be a reminder of that which would cause stress.

I don't think that the parents of service members particularly care. They're not her students. They're not likely to spend much time in her classroom. It isn't an insult to service members because it has nothing to do with them and doesn't impact them in any way.

And I never said she didn't have political opinions, nor that she is the most patriotic person in the world. I just said that she never forced her students to pledge to the pride flag, nor refused to put up the US flag again.

She made the decision during Covid, when she probably didn't even have students in her classroom. And the only reason it is still down is that she doesn't know where it is.

[Rachelspiks]

"She took it down because our country was in a really rough state."
Why are you using the past tense here? "Was" in a really rough state? No, it still IS. Actually, from my perspective, things are far, far worse now than they were last year over there.

[Interstate]

In times of our Country being in a "really rough state", are the times when we need our flag flying the most!

[Interstate]

@pjf1958 👏

[weasley8]

I used the past tense because she made the decision in the past. The current state of the country is irrelevant because she didn’t know what it would be when she took down the flag.

And @Interstate whether we “need” the flag up or not is a matter of opinion. She took it down for her own mental health. Have you ever been on a plane and heard that if the plane is crashing, you put your own mask on first before you try to help others. She took the flag down to take care of herself. When -once again- there probably weren’t even students in the classroom. It’s not a bad thing to make a decision for yourself. Self care is not selfish.

[Daniela1982]

Teachers have been fired for a lot less. If she wants to proclaim her sexuality a classroom isn't the place -who knows, maybe in an all girls school? But there are parades for that. Next thing you know she will be giving the kids gay colored Slushies.

[888theGreat]

she will be rocking with one of the kids next

[888theGreat]

they call it grinding now

[ChrisMaster69]

Utter bollox.

im actually supportive of LGBT and it’s idiots like her that give those against it so much ammunition to use against it all.

The national flag comes first and then if required other ones on a shorter flag pole etc.

Yes there should be sexual and religious freedom at school, however it needs to be sensible.

Equally it’s a bit North Korean to have children indoctrinated to swear allegiance.

imagine a country where kids are pretty much made by peer pressure and adults to swear allegiance to the country….

not 1984 at all lol

[NamerOfStars]

I'd wondered when this particular brand of nonsense was going to get started. There's a lot to admire about the US. More in theory than in practice, but then, that's true of everything. But a failure to live up to high ideals is not a failure of the ideals.

Vowing allegiance to a rag on a stick always struck me as idiotic, and changing which rag it is doesn't change that. Forcing children to do it... I refused from the get-go, but few people of ANY age have the guts to do that, let alone KIDS.

[hahahmm]

When I was a kid we lived every day with the knowledge that any random hour there could be a widespread nuclear war that would end life as we know it... pledging allegiance was the least of our problems and it was more important to have a sense of national identity than to project an image of confusion and weakness. There were real consequences if the nation seemed too weak.

[NamerOfStars]

@hahahmm Blind obedience IS weakness. It doesn't matter to who or what. If your sense of identity relies on doing what you're told, what makes you think you deserve to win?

And I feel obligated to point that the threat of a widespread nuclear surprise attack hasn't gone away.

[hahahmm]

@NamerOfStars Just because you assert it doesn't make it true. IF a child follows the rule of not crossing a street before making sure that it's safe then the odds of them getting killed by a motorist is close to zero. The "strong" -- in your thinking - kid who believes they know best is way more likely to get hit and killed by a car. Likewise there's a lot of know-it-alls in today's world telling us that our ancestors were wrong about everything but these know-it-alls can't even organize their own lives, nor do they have any proof of their ways being better in the vast majority of instances. I'll take my chances doing things the proven ways.

[NamerOfStars]

@hahahmm I never said a thing about the kid who knows what's best. I said that following authority unquestioningly is a form of weakness. Doing things "the proven ways" would have you running from lions on the Serengeti, because those new-fangled "spears" didn't have an established track record. Innovation requires questioning the status quo, and accepting the possibility that you could do better.

[hahahmm]

Analogy is a thing. TLDR on your post. We didn't have weak people when I was a kid. Today it's epidemic. Apparently too much freedom is weakness. That's just fact based observation of all the whinny pussies running around today. Next.

[NamerOfStars]

@hahahmm You didn't have weak people? Really? The cowards who let Carter reinstitute Federal battle slavery weren't weak? The people who screamed and cowered in the face of GRID? Who can''t handle the intellectual heavy lifting to read four sentence paragraphs or properly use semicolons?

Yeah, you sure showed me.

[TwinkleLily5]

That’s weird and crazy and out of line as a teacher, if that was my kid in her class I would have been pissed off. I don’t have anything against the LGBTQ community but that is something that shouldn’t be forced on kids. I hope she had the parents consent to do so other wise she needs to be fired.

[Curmudgeon]

This woman should be stripped and put into a cell with a gang of Islamic jihadists. then she can learn about which cultures really treat homosexuality with less than the full affirmation she thinks she deserves.

Indeed, certain cooperative prisoners who rat out other terrorists could be rewarded with a special kind of conjugal visit with her. We get the intel we need, repentant terrorist gets release, Leftist "womyn" is taught a life altering lesson by having her bones jumped. Win-win-win.

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

First off, I respectfully support the LBGT movement just like anything but it’s a movement, not a country or a nation.


Second, you can protest saluting the flag if you want such as taking a knee to present you have questions about your nation but still honor the men and women who have lost their lives fighting for our nation and the rights we enjoy today. I come from a military family so I grew up with a respect of honor and respect yet still understanding it’s okay to have a healthy discussion about the inconsistency of being a nation that’s for the people.


This was just unnecessary and completely has no good foundation of anything good which makes it more sad. If you have an issue with how our government is doing things then you do it with a debate of ideas and minds but not disrespect. I’m assuming this is one radical person who did this and truly doesn’t reflect everyone on the LBGTQ movement so that’s something that gives me happiness.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Oh lord...

Listen, I have 0 problem with her not having the flag up in the classroom. The nationalism in the last 4 years has become absolutely toxic and the idea that people are not allowed to protest in this manner stand in opposition to the very rights those nationalists claim to love.

I have no problem with her displaying pride colors on her person, though the flag in the classroom was one step too far I think. Show equality to both flags or hang none.

No, the real problem here is social media and, once again, people doing really dumb things for their 15 minutes. I do think those who love the idea of throwing the name "snowflakes" at liberals are once again failing to look in the mirror, but even I agree she took it a step too far and I am part of LGBT.

[pjf1958]

It was her timing more than anything

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Mm iunno, like she seems like really fun to be around, but you gotta question her judgment on this one. Like I'd want her as a friend but not so much like making judgment calls lmao

[Mishan97]

I guess I missed the part where she’s forcing her students to do anything. She didn’t force them to pledge allegiance to the pride flag. Just made a joke and said well that flags there if you want to face towards it. She never forced the student to do anything. Don’t see the issue here at all. The kids probably don’t even understand what the pride flag or why we recite a pledge every morning in the first place. When I was that age it was just part of routine for me. I never attached any meaning to it. So I really think these parents are overreacting a bit. She never said anything negative about the US either.

[lolcraft]

Since when has ignorance been a defence?

[Mishan97]

@lolcraft not using ignorance as a defense. Just saying this is getting blown out of proportion. I don’t agree with her comments and thought it was kinda weird but at the end of the day she didn’t really say anything that could sway any kids opinion about the country. She just said she has the pride flag in her classroom and if they think it’s weird to say the pledge to no flag, well it’s the only flag she has at the moment. Did she ever say that they have to pledge to that flag? Or that they should pledge allegiance to the US flag? Or that there’s anything wrong with America or being patriotic? No. The fact that people are THIS sensitive about a flag just goes to show how overly nationalistic American society is. In no other country would this be such a huge issue.

[Qdbrown]

Disagree. If not the US flag, to teach civic pride, should not replace with a Pride flag to have kids confused and asking questions at that age, for something they would not understand, and most parents would not be comfortable discussing to elementary kids, even if they supported gay rights. It's just not the time or place.

[Mishan97]

@Qdbrown yeah agree it’s not really the time or place but I just think the whole thing got blown out of proportion. It’s just a rainbow flag. She didn’t mention that she elaborated on what the flag meant. So rlly just think this is people being overly sensitive and nationalistic.

[rcljr]

@lolcraft , since lefties found out they can use it as a crutch or platform to cry about some perceived injustice.

[SpiderManFan2002]

That’s silly. The classroom isn’t really a place for flags to begin with- unless you’re teaching the kids about different countries in geography for example.


That being said, though it is preferable not to have any flags in the classroom I can understand that a patriotic American school, may want an American flag to represent who they are or whatever. I don’t think any students in a regular public school, should be made to pledge allegiance to anything though.

[exitseven]

No, saluting the flag is a privilege just as refusing to salute the flag is still a privileges in this country.

[Fuentes]

Our country flag or state flag should always be permitted, but an adults sexuality should be kept quiet when teaching children.

[SpiderManFan2002]

@exitseven Never said it wasn’t.

[Interstate]

@Fuentes 👏

[purplepoppy]

Surely as minors they can't be legally held to any pledge let alone one their forced to take. Perhaps the kids should claim the lgbt flag makes them feel uncomfortable because it goes against their religious beliefs.

[Bluemax]

They are not legally held to any pledge. I've had a handful of students who didn't.

[insignificant_person]

This is modern days. I am not saying that I am against homosexuals, transsexuals etc. but I am angry when they are forcing their rainbows and ideology to us. And in these days they are forcing this neomarxistic thoughts to us. They ale are Americans and they should have there US flag. I don't know how can she feel uncomfortable. But I get why there can be a few people in that class who would feel uncomfortable having rainbows flags there. But she doesn't care about others opinions because she "knows" that this is right.

These movements say that they want freedom and are against racism and so on although they are even racists (they are against white) and support only lgbt thoughts. Everybody who has different opinion is considered as fascist and so on. So that's their "freedom". And they are brainwashing minds of normal people. So support your country and save it from these people!

[humpbackjack]

She’s out of line and should be fired. Not because she gay but because she is trying to push her beliefs and her sexuality onto kids and doesn’t have enough sense to realize that half of the kids in classes parents are going to be banging down their the principals door and then will be heading straight to the superintendent. If you live in the United States and are teaching kids the US flag isn’t something you should be teaching them to hate or be against and definitely shouldn’t try and replace it with a different flag

[PinkLady21]

I support LGBTQ rights but forcing students to pledge allegiance to it isn’t right 🙄🤷🏻‍♀️ And if she has something against the country she shouldn’t live there and certainly shouldn’t teach there

[Anonymous]

Ah yeah. That good old American flag representing the nation which countless soldiers have fought and died for, in order to preserve her rights and allow her to have a voice. I can see how that might piss her off a bit. When exactly did patriotism become political? I'm old enough to remember when Democrats, Republicans, LGBTQ, and immigrants from all over the world would have no problem showing their respect for the country where they enjoy more freedoms than any other nation on earth.

Dammit! Can we just be China, Afghanistan or North Korea for one day, and show these ungrateful bastards what's it like without the freedoms they take for granted every day of their hate-filled lives?

[witness1]

You might want to read the full story. She actually taught the kids one more freedom, they didn't know about. That she ended it in a very misplaced comment about the "other flag in the room" was her actual mistake, and even that is debatable, in how grave it really was.

[hahahmm]

I can see why past civilizations that lasted for thousands of years didn't let people do just whatever made them feel good and had certain rigid social customs. Eventually a lot of people will go back to that style of living and people like this teacher will be obsolete/redundant/begging for food in the street.

[Hypnos0929]

"I think slavery and oppression is better than people doing harmless things I dislike"

[hahahmm]

@Hypnos0929 The people claiming that society is headed in the right direction are the same people who try to ignore/minimize the murder of tens of millions done in the name of socialism so it doesn't bother me if they want to bring up slavery or oppression. I don't give much weight to hypocrites.

[FunkyMonkee]

I'd pledge to the
Let''s
Get
Biden
To
Quit flag!!
But, seriously, folks, the bitch oughta be fired!!! She's not there to indoctrinate those kids, she's paid with OUR tax money to TEACH them stuff they can use in their lives!! Things like: math, English, science, history, art, etc..

[KellyKOO]

Social media clout gone wrong. I saw the video and knew she wasn't being genuine. I have friends who are gay and they don't even like stuff like this. They just want to be treated like a normal person.

[Daniela1982]

Then why do they have parades? Is that normal?

[KellyKOO]

@Daniela1982 my friends don't have parades.

[Daniela1982]

Good to know.

[Smashingdoozy]

Honestly it's no crazier than a bunch of 7 year olds pledging allegiance to the US flag. Or having a flag In every classroom. There's pretty much only one other country who does these things... Any guesses?

[Qdbrown]

Define irony, lives in a country that goes out its way to have gay rights, to say gay over country? You're right, there are not that many countries, except a handful of European countries.

[Smashingdoozy]

As far as I'm aware the only other countries that ritualistically pledge allegiance to their flag is the Philippines and oh uh South Korea

[Qdbrown]

Why are we concerned what other countries do, or do not do?

At least until the last 20 years or so, the US generally set the bar. We always came out strong and believed hard.

Now we are a country of weannies and cry babies. After this year it will be amazing if we don't get invaded. Probably in the last last 200 years of the Union, we are at our worse.

[Smashingdoozy]

You're missing the point... It's not normal. It's fucking weird.

[Anonymous]

As a Native American, that flag is the flag of the people occupying my home. The flag that was flown as my people were forced arched thousands of miles, many dying along the way, to unknown, undesirable lands because of the color of our skin. That flag was flown by our captors as we starved on reservations, as our children were kidnapped by men flying that flag and brainwashed. It is the flag flown by men who tried to exterminate us for centuries. To ask us to pledge allegiance to it is another sickening form of brainwashing.

The LGBT flag represents love, inclusion, acceptance... Values I'd rather pladge allegiance to any day over hate, racism, and genocide.

[rcljr]

How “ brave” of you to post anonymously. Maybe you’d have preferred the treatment from the Chinese or Russians had they landed here first. I can tell you, you wouldn’t be on here, they would have killed every last one of the natives.

[fr44c3iqqs]

Also, the Spaniards killed a lot more Native Americans than the Englishmen have. Unfortunately, some tribes practiced slavery. The Maya empire, Aztec empire, and Inca empire were conquering tribes, and some of those empires even sacrificed other natives to their gods. Not saying it was rightful to commit genocide. No genocide or murder is rightful. It is that which sickens me beyond measure.

[rcljr]

@fr44c3iqqs , even the tribes in what is now the United States practiced slavery against all the other tribes, they also took white and Mexican slaves.

[Opinion Owner]

@rcljr it wasn't from lack of trying... Genocidal practices against Native Americans have been in place even into the 80s with forced sterilization of Native women...

Furthermore "somebody else would have been worse" is not a reasonable argument to justify atrocities that have happened within your lifetime that you choose to ignore as a society. Nor is incompetence a proper defence of ones actions.

[rcljr]

There have been no atrocities against native Americans in my lifetime, AND President Trump, whom I’ll just go ahead and assume you hate did many good things for the Native Americans. After many decades he finally got tribal recognition pushed for the Little Shell Tribe that lived on a bluff outside my hometown in plywood cardboard “ hootches “ even in the dead of winter at -50 degrees (F) so the whole” America bad” “ white man bad” bull shit doesn’t fly with me.

[JohnSmityJohnson]

Unfortunately, what you wrote is not accurate at all. There is quite a bit that went on during so called occupation. Some see native Americans as one whole people group, but they are not and they didn't view themselves that way either. There were many tribes, and tribes conquered each other all the time. There wasn't a genocide, but a brutal war.

[rcljr]

Yeah well, to the victors go the spoils, be glad you weren’t exterminated as a race outright, or bred out of existence, which by the way is happening now. Tribes in Montana are marrying and breeding with Mexicans so the Mexicans can run drugs from the reservations- well, there goes your holier than thou, Mother Earth, pure blood Native American theory, right out the window of the taco van parked by the teepee…

[Bluemax]

What will she do if a student claims to be uncomfortable with the Pride flag?

[EyesOfGod]

It's the age of people with no hardship want to have some kind of strife.

[yucychan]

I don't agree with what the teacher had done.
Personally, I support the LGBT cause. I believe all of us have the right to be what we want to be and to love who we want. However, I do know that many other people may not share the same views as me.
I get she's proud of her beliefs but what she's doing is akin to "forcing" people to share her beliefs as well, which is not right.

[InventorofWarp]

I'm not American, so I lack any fucks to give here.

However, when I was a boy, we would stand and sing the national anthem every morning and the only person who didn't was this one girl who was a Jehovah's Witness and it was against her religion in some way? I don't know the details, to each their own, I hope to dear fuck if I ever have kids the school makes them do the same damn thing.

[Gwenhwyfar]

I support LGBTQ rights but that’s terrible. I suspect she wants her 15 mins of fame.

[Gwenhwyfar]

I said this when I thought she was pressuring her students to pledge allegiance to the LGBTQ flag. Now that I understand that’s not what the video shows, I withdraw my opinion. I do think she wanted her shot at being famous though.

[Lliam]

That thing needs to be burned at the stake for indoctrinating children into her sick ideology. I have no problem with LGB people or even people who truly suffer from gender dysphoria. But I want to see radical, militant LGBTQ activists cry and hide in fear. Their sick agenda isn't about rights, it's destructive and subversive.

[witness1]

In your first sentence, I honestly didn't know, about which flag you were talking.

[Oigit]

I think its past time for every flag to be replaced by the universal symbol of chaos. Give how as a species we seem to thrive on chaos and are constantly creating it. Why not pledge our selves to chaos or the Joker?

[Emmam298]

I think even as I watched it how she is doing it for show and attention. She fake giggles in the video. It is definitely a problem and she is using her position to try to make a point. This is an abuse of her authority and she should be removed as a teacher because of it. I don’t really care what the issue is, or what someone else’s politics are. Nobody should stand for people abusing their authority over people to try to push their ideas.

[Gwenhwyfar]

She wants her 15 mins of fame

[Interstate]

A teacher telling students to say "to hell with America, support IMMORAL lifestyles"... she definitely needs prayed for, but at the same time the school board needs to dismiss her. She obviously picks her own gender, so there you go. She is actually saying, "Screw respect to our country, MY alt. lifestyle means more!". As far as I am concerned, she is a prime example of an A-1 Commie (A. K. A Democrat).

[ObscuredBeyond]

The qualifications to be a teacher have never been set so low before. Antifa is invading classrooms, now that rioting isn't working out. The old liberalism is too conservative for these nutters. So they need grade schoolers to be groomed for Clown World.

[chriscdi]

Someone should slap her soul to another realm, all this LGBT stuff is getting out of hand, It's all right to support it but they are going overboard with trying to force everyone to worship them, I'd never pledge a rainbow flag

[BeMuse]

She looks like a pedophile just like half of the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus who said they were coming for your children. You should probably keep an eye on that one… She probably became a teacher primarily to get close to children.

[BeMuse]

She is trying to get children to swear allegiance to homosexuality already. That is part of sexualizing children...

[BeMuse]

Here's another infiltrator...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83b_u5V51U8

[Cherry234]

Why not put up both flags? Nothing wrong with supporting both the LGBT community and your country. This is very unpatriotic. I don't know why people like this woman have the privilege of living in America smh 😡

[Bluemax]

Schools should remain in ardent support of kindness and compassion to all, but strictly neutral about sexuality. That's why I don't believe there should be a pride flag in any classroom.

[FoghornLeghorn99]

Schools should not support any agenda.

Also, promoting the gay agenda goes against some religious teachings. According to the 1st amendment the government is banned from promoting or discouraging any form of religion.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Yes! This I agree with. And make the pledge voluntary.

[Rangers]

Yeah, because nothing is more patriotic than throwing away a nation's flag and replacing it with a fictional flag (which looks horrible by the way) in the pursuit of destroying the country by splitting it in half. Wait, didn't this happen before?🤔🤔🤔🤔 Oh yeah, it did, and the same party that did it then is doing it now, we'll beat you again, just wait.

[readyplayer001]

without the people who died for that flag like my military family she wouldn't have freedom of speech, moron should go back to school or out in the world and get a real education

[ZackBan]

Please tell me she was at LEAST admitted into a psychiatric ward, and strapped to bed all day. She clearly has a condition that require extreme measures

[Adam1978]

No one should pledge alliance to any flags, you can do it to a cause. But a country has many agendas and you shouldn't blindly accept and fight for all of them.

[TommyMountainFigure]

Taking into consideration I'm in the UK and therefore amending the question to be an English or British Flag? My first thought was I'd take my kid straight out of there!

[DaveToo]

She needs to be removed from the class and made to sit in on a civics class. It's not one nation under gays and lesbians. According to the legislators in the 50's it's one nation under God. Choose whichever God you believe in or don't believe in and say the God Damn Pledge. It's your country.

[witness1]

I deeply disagree, because I am German. What you describe isbbasically how Hitler rose to power.

[hahahmm]

@witness1 the NAZIs also tried to rise in the U. S. during the 1930s and never came anywhere close to doing it because americans aren't Germans.

[Tyme1313]

But she didn't replace anything, they used to both be in the class, she removed the American flag, and he suggestion a student pledge allegiance to the pride flag was because the student asked where he should face for the pledge. She basically stated, a flag is a flag, just look at that one.

[Bluemax]

A flag is a flag? Would she say that about the swastika? About the Stars and Bars?

[YollyM]

I'm sure not all her students are gay🙄
so I hope she wasn't forcing them to wear the flag😲, but hey me being me I would have wore the LGBTQ flag just for support and vibes😁.

[crazysassypaws21]

i mean this what we all fight and teach and want our kids to believe in , that even if maybe people might get upset it her right and free well too, not say i dont get or understand why many be upset but at the same time at that what be free is, like i said a lot people probably get mad at me for say this but that my take on it , sure it upset people but that is her free right to make , so let the i hate u reply roll now lol

[Turtleneck22]

Fuck her. Fire her ass. I am Canadian but if it happened here that is how I’d feel. I’m sick of the fucking snowflakes. We had to change our National Anthem already to make it more gender acceptable. We also have people from other countries coming here, I am all for diversity but if you come to our country you accept how we do things.

[Jake99999]

Maybe that teacher should move to Iran or Afghanistan.

[Belgie]

The whole pledging allegiance to a flag is a very brain-washing idea in the first place. This is just brain-washing to a new thing. Neither is very good. Normal countries don't do this. Regimes that want an unthinking populace do this.

[Qdbrown]

Yeap, only in a country where gay people are truly free to do whatever and be married, by all the massive sacrifices that created the country to allow them to exist today.

It's called traditions. Not brainwashing. You're free to pledge or not. But being respectful should be the mindset.

See, from the battle of 1812, where untold numbers of soliders ran to keep that flag up all night while the British bombarded them, killing men at the pole to hold that flag up is why we don't let the flag touch the ground. The British Commander said if the fort and flag made it to morning, he would give up. To everyone's surprise, it did.

That's the type of stuff we are pledging to when the flag is raised or start our day in school, pole, scouts or military. It so we won't forget. Yet we have people like you who simply don't care nor understand.

[Hypnos0929]

@Qdbrown
What is tradition if not brainwashing by dead people?

[Belgie]

"It's called traditions. Not brainwashing. You're free to pledge or not."

You've clearly never heard of the many many stories of what happens when students try to sit it out.

[Belgie]

@Qdbrown "See, from the battle of 1812, where untold numbers of soliders ran to keep that flag up all night while the British bombarded them, killing men at the pole to hold that flag up is why we don't let the flag touch the ground. The British Commander said if the fort and flag made it to morning, he would give up. To everyone's surprise, it did. "

That's the problem with mindless recitation. Your version of events is subject to the chinese whisper effect. It's not accurate at all, and you could have (at any point in your life) gone and read up what actually happened. But you don't. Because you've been brain washed into accepting narrative fiction as facts never to be questioned.

That's brain washing.

Go read a real history book and stop your mindless repetition of your Disneyfied version of history.

[pjf1958]

@Belgie maybe that's why the Germans kicked your so quickly, so decisively.

[Belgie]

@pjf1958 You mistook my username for my country. The profile pic doesn't make me a Vulcan either just so you know.

And the Nazis also taught their schoolkids to be brainwashed via pledge, since you like to keep track of what they do.

[TrueConfection]

Time for another meeting with the Superintendent!

[JohnSmityJohnson]

If she allows her politics to run her classroom, she not only becomes a horrible teacher but a Totalitarian dictator as well. She should keep her shitty political views out of her classroom. Students need to aquire knowledge, not political brain washing.

[BCA6010]

You really need to see her stupid videos to truly observe how nuts this woman actually is. People like that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a classroom, especially at the elementary level.

[Anonymous]

How did she think this would end? Disrespecting the country she works in and forcing a personal view on minors.

[slatyb]

She is quite right that students do not have to recite the pledge of allegiance, nor do the have to stand for it.

[fr44c3iqqs]

Nobody should have to either pledge allegiance to the US flag or to the LGBT flag. This is a free country. Freedom is not free, and I would stand for the US flag and for the flag of the Native American tribes,, but nobody should be required to stand for either one of them either.

[rcljr]

@slatyb , nor does anyone have to stand for or tolerate the fag flag

[lonestar_01]

She's definitely been using indoctrination on her students. Woman should be fired really. They tried to fire and ban that male teacher who challenged that feminist narrative of "Women don't need men", bet she'll be allowed to keep her job however

[Anonymous]

She should be fired. I am so fucking sick of teachers trying to indoctrinate students with their own personal biases and political views. I don't care what your views or political affiliations are, that is NOT the job or the right of a teacher.

People like @Mishan97 who justify her actions by saying she didn't force the children to do anything are full of shit. These are impressionable children we are talking about here.

[Anonymous]

Your nation is kaput, finished. Y'all better start learning Chinese, because they are going to kick your scrawny little asses if a war breaks out.

[JohnSmityJohnson]

We will fuck China up!

[Opinion Owner]

@JohnSmityJohnson No you won't. China will crrrrrrrrrr-ush you!

[JohnSmityJohnson]

China will get fucked up. Don't play. Haha. Crush us. Yeah right.

[Opinion Owner]

@JohnSmityJohnson China is the future. Submit now. It will make things easier later on. You nation is doomed, it has no future.

[Opinion Owner]

@JohnSmityJohnson Long live President Xi, the destroyer of Yankees. He will CRUSH you, flatten your cute little country.

[doopayo]

The video was a harmless joke. If the teacher took the American flag down that’s her choice and right too, no one should care. If you like freedom of speech and democracy than you shouldn’t care if people stood for the flag or not

[Gwenhwyfar]

If it was a joke I don’t mind it but making students pledge allegiance to a flag they don’t believe in is bad no matter which flag it is.

[exitseven]

No, she is being paid by the town to teach math, history and English. Not push her own political crap onto my kids. She gets one chance to straighten up and then she is gone.

[doopayo]

@Gwenhwyfar do you personally know the student? Also, in the video and even in the news reports you can see she didn’t make the student pledge she just suggested it after the student pointed at it?

[doopayo]

@existeven there are many teachers that put their politics to their students way worst and never get fired.

The lgbtq flag isn’t political, if you think so than that’s the problem

[exitseven]

Of course it is political. There is a town around here (liberal of course) that prohibits the local cops and fire fighters from displaying the "Thin Blue line" American flag because it was political.

[doopayo]

A town around where you live?

[exitseven]

Yes, it is the next town. This was last summer.

[exitseven]

Here is the whole sordid tale.
www.patriotledger.com/.../

[Gwenhwyfar]

@doopayo okay in that case I agree with you. The original poster mischaracterized the video.

[doopayo]

It says that it’s because it breaks town policy. They are allowed to have the American flag just not the black version to support police because it goes against the town policy.

The teachers allowed to display the lgbtq flag since it’s not harmful to anyone. Unless there’s some crazy who thinks the lgbtq flag is going to hurt them personally.

[Fuentes]

Teachers are not suppose to support communism in school or even promote there life sexuality onto children? That's wrong.

[doopayo]

Where in that video did she ever support communism or “there life sexuality”

[Fuentes]

By supporting LGBT in a school full of children is promoting her sexuality onto them even mentioning asa joke to pledge to the flag instead & taking down the flag is a communist move makes her a hippy communist. I will never let my children be in a classroom with a teacher who goes out of their way to bring sexuality into an area full of children.

[Gwenhwyfar]

@Fuentes I totally disagree with this. Just sayin.

[exitseven]

The LBGTQ flag is the very symbol of alternative sexuality. I would not want my kids exposed to that. Besides they are not there to push their own personal agendas.

[Fuentes]

@Gwenhwyfar you disagree with the teacher right? Lol or with what i said

[Jake99999]

It is not the teachers right to take down the American flag. That isn’t her house. It’s a public school.

[Gwenhwyfar]

@Fuentes with what you said. No one should be forced to pledge allegiance to anything but I strongly support teaching LGBTQ sexuality in schools.

[Fuentes]

@Gwenhwyfar i will remove my children from any teacher teaching LGBTQ Alphabetical Mafia to my children, you can be gay all you want but you will not push it down my children's throats.

[doopayo]

@Jake99999 it kind of is, the amazing thing about living in America is that we have freedom of speech.

[doopayo]

@exitseven If you don’t want your kids exposed to the lgbtq flag than that’s something you’re going to have to personally reflect on because that’s doing exactly what you said you don’t want to do. Pushing an agenda down your kids throat.

The fact that you think a kid seeing a flag is going to push an agenda on them is crazy?

[exitseven]

The fact that this is actually a conversation means it should never have happened. I would want my tax dollars refunded to me and I would want to send my kids to a different school.

[Fuentes]

@doopayo When u become an adult you will have a issue with grown adults forcing their sexual & political beliefs onto children rather you wanna accept it or not grown adults are smarter then kids, meaning we know more & know better that's not freedom of speech people are cancel'd and fired from jobs for less and she will probably be fired. When you get a job in the future you will see you can't say and do whatever you want on another's dime.

[doopayo]

@Fuentes learning about lgbtq individuals isn’t forcing an agenda. Do you realize people are using the same excuse down in Texas to not teach kids about black history?

[Fuentes]

@doopayo your one of those lol you think gays correlate to us as blacks we are a skin color a HUMAN nit a mindset see the difference i do nit support gays at all and will never their mindset is nothing like our movement we share a very very, very tiny aspect nothing alike

[doopayo]

You’re literally forcing your political beliefs on your hypothetical children though because you said you would take your kid out a classroom teaching about lgbtq history?

What would you do if you had a gay child?

[doopayo]

I only mentioned it because I’m assuming you’re a straight black man so I used it to correlate in a way you could maybe see the correlation

[Jake99999]

Okay doopayo so you think it’s totally up to the teacher on what flag she hangs in the public school. Okay what if she chose to hang up a swastika. Is that okay too? Is that freedom of speech? It’s not up to the teacher to decide to take down the American flag in a public school. Just like it’s not her right to decide what they serve for lunch, or which students she wants or doesn’t want in her classroom. When she signed up as an employee of the school system she agreed to be an employee within the system. It is a PUBLIC SCHOOL. Paid for by tax payers. If you don’t understand that then you are just a complete idiot.

[Fuentes]

My household and a classroom are two different places lol a household i can say whatever i want a teaching school system is a different story a public place teaching school children & political belief and ones personal sexuality as an adult should not be forced on kids in a school situation. That's like saying it's ok for a teacher to text children in a weird way or for a teacher so over step their boundaries, it's a job setting where they need to professional and teach regardless of their own beliefs that's there JOBS. I am a skin color not a mindset so we don't correlate in anyway we happen to share a small aspect but nothing to do with eachother. I understand your a child still especially with the way you're trying to insults me slightly saying maybe im straight or hypothetical children as if i don't have any kids lol but anyway as you get older and become an adult you will have an issue with certain things adults do that affect children in certain settings where they should remain professional and keep their at home life and lifestyle & poltical view to themselves when in the presence of teaching or any job that is required to be working with the youth who will be out future. One day you will see

[exitseven]

They just made up the policy five minutes after the flags started showing up on the fire trucks and some moonbat complained. His delicate sensibilities were upset when he saw the racist symbol.

[Kingofkings1992]

@Jake99999 she’s 15 years old. Obviously still wet behind the ears. You’re wasting your time getting into an argument with her.

[Jake99999]

King of kings…she is old enough to think with her brain. But generally yes this is a waste of time. Sadly many people a lot older than her on GAG are just as bad. Besides who knows who she really is - or what her real age is. Or if she is really a she. Lol. This site is the Wild West, more or less.

[Qdbrown]

It just amazes me that some people just don't get it. Just a joke... It's not big deal. Just lose the US Flag, who cares?

It's that precise attitude that is killing the country. Just last week we lost 13 more soliders, and to most you would think it would be a good time to be slightly more respectful and reverent towards the flag? But no. Let's mock it by replacing it with a Pride Flag, so to confuse her class and promote her lifestyle. Good one. Only in a country where one could actually be free enough to even pull this ill-advised joke off? Half the places in the world being gay is enough to be killed by your own government.

[doopayo]

@Jake9999 I’m not sure if you’re doing this on purpose but I can’t fathom the fact that you’re trying to argue the swastika vs the lgbtq flag.

I’m saying this from the perspective of being a teachers daughter. The teachers are allowed to organize or decorate their classroom. Including the American flag, in America you have freedom so you aren’t forced to keep the flag up like we’re in god damn North Korea or something.

[doopayo]

@Qdbrown she never mocked the flag, I’m not sure if you know but many people might have a different experience with the flag. You aren’t the only person that exists on this earth so you should have empathy, there’s no reason to be such a nationalist.

I’m about to say something that shouldn’t be controversial, america isn’t as great as you think it is. We have a lot of problems, and they deserve to be addressed equally.

If you liked America and wanted it to be a better place for everyone than you would realize their are way more worst things in life to argue about than the American flag being hung in one classroom?

Most classrooms still have the flag, it’s not like this is happening everywhere. If that makes you feel any better

[Qdbrown]

Hey man, I know those flags are out there. By design and for a reason.

Experiences with the flag? Are you inferring that the flag hurts them? I think what you are saying is they associate their issues, perceived or real, as a product of being an American? Like a form of projection? Sorry, this is a personal issue. Not a flag issue.

And it doesn't matter where we are in the minds of others not in America or some in it. We don't support it when we are conviently happy at the moment. Or happy in our place in it.

No reason to be a nationalist. Are you inferring that I am following some offshoot of facism or supremacy? That flag is why you're here, ranting what you think is right. Most other "Normal" counties, you could be put in jail or prison for mere posting wrong speak, even in many Western countries including Canada. Maybe we are not the best, but we certainly can say anything we like that doesn't harm people in the instant.

It's definitely not some dark effort to make people nationalist. It's about respect. Believing in the country or making it a more perfect place. Is the US perfect, or has a perfect history? Nope. Is it the best county to be in, that is pointing towards a more perfect union, even if we have taken some detours along the way.

So when you say empathy, this tells me we should be cutting up our traditions for weak people with bad ideas. They are minority of people. The plurality wins the day, stand up and be proud. Maybe if we had more able and capable people, maybe things would get better sooner than languishing with all the loser-mindsets that many seem to want to turn into victims.

[doopayo]

When I’m talking about empathy I’m talking about having it for the many people who have been negatively effected by America. Our country has a quite lengthy history of war crimes, genocides, overall systemic corruption.

The American flag haven’t always stood for the equality of all, it’s not your place to tell anyone how they should feel or act. You can have your opinions on the American flag and what not but to disregard and even want to say them doing so is a legal issue is just illogical.

It’s quite Frankly pushing your own views on others, just like people stand for the flag for several different reasons people might choose to not stand for the flag for many different reasons.

And I referred to you as a nationalist because it seems to me you at least somewhat identify greatly with America as a country and support its interests.

At this point all I can suggest is Instead of automatically placing your predisposed biases on someone with a different viewpoint, I suggest you have an open mind. That goes for anything, there’s no way to learn if you aren’t actively looking to do so.

[Fuentes]

@doopayo just to give you and update & you can look it up yourself the California teacher who did this has been removed from teaching and placed on administrative leave and being investigated most likely she'll be fired this is a perfect example i was talking about with a fine line between teachers and kids, they're just things as a teacher you should keep to yourself.

[Coulis]

Completely out of order.

[SlightlyEccentric]

Remember when it was just " we just want the right to marry?" Man that slippery slope sure is rearing its ugly head.

[I_want_a_moustache]

I think she was trying to make a joke but that she should have known that was inappropriate. Why can’t she have just had them sing something else? My teacher had us sing good morning

[hahahmm]

Will also be a joke when she's fired and broke. Wonder if she will laugh.

[Astarlessnightsky]

from a german perspective its super weird to have a flag in a classroom in the first place

[EyesOfGod]

It's not the 1930's anymore is it?

[Astarlessnightsky]

Yeah, sort of. During the third reich was the last time germany put up flags everywhere.

And orcourse during the big football (or soccer) championchips. But during these everyone puts their own flags at their properties.

Schools and other public buildings stay free of flags.

[witness1]

Any pledge of allegiance os inertly wrong. Whenever flags are raised and waved around, someone tries to unite a group, and that can be very dangerous. Always check the values represented by that flag. And right now, the LGBTQ flag is more inclusive, positive and humanitarian. The US flag seems to stand for cold-hearted capitalism, racism and conspiracy theories like anti-vax and anti-evolution. At least it looks like that from far away, i. e. Europe.

[worldscolide]

I would pull my children from her class pending a meeting with the school board. It's unpatriotic shit like that that is damaging our children.. Disgusting.. I bet she's a feminist too...

[hahahmm]

She thought it was okay since most of what these schools teach today is hardcore feminist/leftist ideology aimed at re-making society as part of a big social experiment run by people who have zero proof that they know what's best or how to keep society functioning long term.

[worldscolide]

@Physics-Man Apparently she is getting fired. Good.. She deserves it.

[True_Music48]

Put a flag in the classroom until she accepts it should be there. That’s one of the most regarded things I’ve ever heard. The American flag is a symbol of our country, and she’s a US citizen. It’s also made of comfortable cloth.