Lmao, the entitlement on this one is at level 347. Who would pay them and how would they even decided whos worthy of one. Everyone might as well claim their a victim. Why not be a purpose predator? chase that not victimhood
Reparations from who to who? I have never owned a slave. And I don't know anyone alive who ever was a slave. I'm not paying money to some rando because my ancestor wronged their ancestor.
The logistics and precise amounts "owed" to each person would be a whole other task. This is more a question of whether or not people agree with the concept of that work being done, even if they don't, personally, want to be involved.
But it's not so much a 'repentance' so much as a 'maintenance' thing. Like if your floor was uneven and the more you let it go the more uneven it will get. You can say it was the people before you who built it that way all you like but it doesn't change the fact that if it doesn't get fixed it will just continue to tilt.
oh, so you think the banning of slavery was the reparations? People with literally nothing were instantly placed on equal footing with everyone else who had something?
The idea that there is a window to repair things and that the window has passed doesn't suggest that it has been fixed, only that it has become too complicated to fix.
No, it's that it's too late to fix because both the victims and the perpetrators are all dead. If a murder goes unsolved for long enough for the murderer to never get caught, we have to then accept that the crime wasn't solved soon enough for justice to be served. We don't just throw the descendent of the murder in prison.
All races have been slaves including whites in America. No race was treated worse than the Chinese but now they are doing fine. Some blacks are thriving because they are intelligent. However, the IQ of the average black is one standard deviation below the norm and that is 85% heredity and only 15% environment. Other than enforced selective breeding over generations, there is no cure for that.
It’s impossible to do because the federal govt can only give what it takes and it will be taking from one black person in taxes as it gives to another black person. There are latinos and European Americans that immigrated here after slavery so their decedents should have to pay higher taxes to give to black people? The issue of reparations should have been solved when the slaves were emancipated so the slave owners who were responsible could be charged, too much time has past.
I think giving up one's life so one can be free is the Highest Bar that can be set. There is nothing more precious than One's Life. Didn't the North in the Civil War do that? Slavery was wrong, but what's being suggested is to punish people who never owned slaves by giving to people who never were slaves.
Hahaha! Look at this member of the working class supporting other working class members taking money out of each others pockets when the people with real money taking money out of their pockets will not be affected!
I haven't wronged anyone, so I don't owe anyone. Besides, handing people free money will not solve these woes. A lot of people will go buy a bunch of new expensive things and be broke again the next day, and still in the same situation. What then?
and yet, interestingly, no one seems to worry about that when rich white people get free money.
But I digress. The idea would be to come to an agreement as to how much would qualify as the final argument-ending reparations. Those receiving would also have to agree before they get them. And then it's done.
We aren't discussing rich white people, so you would have no clue how I would feel about them getting free money.
What you're talking about isn't realistic. You aren't going to get that many people to agree about anything. When people get their free money, and blow it all, then folks will start pointing to how they're still poor and things are still unequal. You're leaving human nature out of the argument.
In fact I am factoring human nature into the argument quite entirely. You're assuming black people would just "blow it all." Why would you assume that? To assume that is to assume black people are subhuman, not human. Everyone of every race want to be better.
Exactly, that’s why blacks keep voting democrat, the democrats are bankrupting America to give minorities supposed “ free shit” in exchange for votes, welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and don’t forget abortions, that’s the Democrats way of keeping their pet blacks on a leash, so they don’t over breed.
How am I assuming black people are subhuman. Stop reading things that aren't there. I purposely used the term people instead of black people because there are a lot of people of all races that would just blow that money. Look at all the stimulus, extra unemployment, and huge tax returns so many people got, but somehow couldn't pay their rent. It's our instant gratification society.
They’ll have their greedy hands out wanting more, just look at welfare, look at the unemployment during the covid SCAMdemic, now nobody wants to go back to work, help wanted signs are everywhere.
Rich people earn interest far beyond the.001% you get for that $5.00 sitting in your savings account, they use the tax laws and bankruptcy laws to their benefit, as they were designed, that doesn’t make them crooked or evil, it makes them smart, oh, by the way America has rich black folks too… just so you don’t end up being a stereotyping WHINER.
It’s not free money it’s money that is owed. Former slaves were promised reparations right after slavery but never got them and even though you might not want to believe it that has an affect on the economic status of most black people and most white people today so the way I see it is that it doesn’t matter what we would spend the money on that’s none of your concern.
@SmokinAces2000 it is my concern because the people today that will be paying it l, me included, had no part in slavery, nor the promise to pay anything. It's not money we owe, so it is free money. If this were to be done, it should have been done back then when it was promised.
That’s exactly my point it should have been done when it was promised but it wasn’t. Slavery isn’t the only thing that reparations would be for. Do you know how many things that America has done to black people. Redlining, Jim Crow, Lynchings, police brutality, segregation. And even though people like to make the excuse that slavery was so long ago you can’t really make that excuse with the things that I listed since lynchings were rampant 60 years ago and so was segregation and Jim Crow. Redlining still happens to this day. I find it extremely irritating that after years of bullshit that black people have and still do go through, we are all expected to flip around hundreds of years of oppression and detrimental events and solve all the problems in the black community by ourselves and overnight
@SmokinAces2000 exactly, it wasn't paid, but it still isn't a debt that anyone alive today owes. And all those other things you mentioned, I had nothing to do with those either, so again, not my debt. I make it a point not to oppress anyone. Just handing people will not solve any problems. When the money is gone, it's back to square one. Then what?
@SmokinAces2000 , I can say this then, $1million in reparations to the descendants of every US Soldier, Union AND Confederate that died in the Civil War… there will be no cash reparations, the debt was paid in blood.
Things can make sense or easily spiral out of control depending on what we’re talking about.
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Why don't you go ahead and give up your earnings to a black family. Next time you have a job interview or promotion. Ask if there are black candidates and give them your spot. Practice what you preach.
I think one thing is affordability, with CoVid reducing economic output and increasing economic debt, this is a burden that should only be dealt with when the more immediate issues are managed.
cause nobody that lives today has any guilt. and also another big issue that people seem to forget: throwing money at things won't fix issues. the deep set cultural differences will not change anything. because "lack of money" is not the problem of black communities. it's lack of habitual predictors of career success.
@cjmtherfcker the legal entity of America has no money. It just redistributes money off the people via taxes... So the only place that money can come from, is innocent people's pockets.
@cjmtherfcker and as I already explained, pumping money in their pockets will not fix anything. Cause the lack thereof is not the problem to begin with.
@cjmtherfcker well again giving them money won't change the cultural and habitual status quo that created the situation in the first place. It's like giving a hobo 1000bucks. That won't make him fix his Livestyle. It will just let him live a little better for some time, till everything turns back to shit once this money is gone...
We need to help them in other ways. You know that saying "if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day" right?
It is odd how people only ever say throwing money at the problem won't fix it when it is poverty that is the problem. But when the rich have any problems whatsoever, all solutions seem to involve throwing money at it. Seems like there must be enoigh that we could test it just once.
I think the fear is the rich know they don't do anything useful and so if poor people were suddenly infused with cash the rich don't have the confidence that they could sell them anything that would result in the rich ending up with that money. They'd have to swindle it but with an abrupt hold on resources the suddenly-less-poor would be able to buy an independence from rich people's scams by starting their own businesses and such. And so the rich prefer all surplus money just go to themselves.
The poverty doesn't come from the lack of money. Put Jewish families in the same economical situation and they'll do better. Put Asian families in the same economical situation and they will do better. Put black communities in a better economical situation and they will still do worse. The issue is with habitual differences. With templates for a successful life. With family structures and with responsibility. Not with money
if throwing money would work or if "preferential treatment" (discrimination of other races due to affirmative action) would work, then why do we still have issues today? throwing moeny at it does not work. it has proven to not work. so claiming that it's just rich people being scared to lose money is bullshit.
The definition of poverty is the lack of money. In any case it seems clear you think there is something fundamentally wrong with black people that gives them a disadvantage in the U. S. economy. That, as it happens, is pretty much the definition of a racist. So, as long as you admit it and have no illusions that your opinion is based on anything else, I suppose that's fair.
no i believe there is something fundamentally wrong in the habitus of black people that makes them perform worse in the economy world wide not just in america. and that is notn some sort of racist bullshit. that is something that you can and will find the world over. i look at statistical facts, not at left or right wing propaganda. and if you're a leftist, thinking that giving people money will fix the issues, go ahead and try that some more. but i can confidently tell yout hat this won't work, cause we have tried.
we know the predictors of financial and economical success. and "race" is not one. neither is "the amount of money that you have".
the greatest predictors of success are: having an intact household with both parents rising you, having good grades in school, meaning you are either intelligent or hard working and stying away from crime (avoiding jail time).
work ethics are probably the most important predictor of success in the economy. that's why Asian and jewish people do better than whites and that's why hispanics and blacks do worse than whites. it has nothing to do with the race. but with the behaviors and livestyle choices that the average person being in those racial groups displays for us to observe.
if you think that stating "black people do worse" is "racist", then i'm sorry to tell you, but you suffer from retardation.
we know that if you set the economical playing field straight and put everyone to zero, then within a few years, you will see the same stratification of income by race. this is not "racist bullshit", that is an observable fact.
here's an interesting test you can conduct to proof that it isn't about "race". take a black orphan and lt it be rised by Asian parents. i'm willing to bet my left nut, that this child will do way above average for black people.
No, that's definitely racist bullshit. You are saying there is something fundamentally wrong with black people instead of admitting there is something wrong with their situation. You are a racist. Own it.
I think it comes from the lack of clarity about what exactly reparations would look like and where it would end. Because there's a definite tendency to give people an inch and have them try to take a mile. The reparations we give would never be enough to the people asking for the reparations. Plus, the reparations wouldn't even resolve the actual issue impacting the black community, which is dependence on the government and an inability to feel equal.
But thats not an actual issue impacting the black community. White people get welfare, too, but no one tries to take that away because of the fear of forming a dependency. It's just black people "for some reason." White people have been accusing black people of mass laziness for 400 years..
And there can be enough. It is a whole other conversation to figure out what that amount is. And once everyone agrees the issue is settled and no one will ever have the excuse of their race for their situation in the U. S. ever again. The problem is in order for everyone to agree we need to first include a full accounting of all the f'ed up things our country has done to black people to hold them back while others get further ahead.
The black community is in the situation they are in for a lot of reasons. Reparations only addresses one part of that equation. If you want to fix the problems in the black community, you have to start by fixing the family.
but "the family" is broken because so many are too poor to support kids in a healthy way. You can say "a lot of reasons" but all of those reasons end up stemming from poverty. And specifically a poverty that was forced upon them.
And there is absolutely no scenario in life where having two parents providing two incomes is less stable than having the parents split up; except in cases where a better wellfare check is given to the single mom (which is what happened to the black community).
The answer out of poverty is to repair the family unit, improve education, and provide opportunities that pay better than petty crime.
That isn't what happened to the black community. Whoever told you that is lying to you just to get you to have certian stereotypes of black people "for some reason."
History and black people told me that's exactly what happened to the black community. Do me a favor and slap your grade school teachers for getting it wrong. Know what causes poverty? Lack of intergenerational wealth accumulation. Know what causes that? Lack of cohesive families because how can a parent pass money and knowledge to their child when the parent isn't around the child. the SINGLE GREATEST PREDICTOR OF FUTURE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR IN YOUNG MEN IS NOT HAVING A FATHER PRESENT IN THE HOME. You gotta read deeper into these programs, buddy. What happened to the black community won't be repaired by throwing money at them and giving them hand jobs. Do yourself a favor and dig into the real financial motivations for Planned Parenthood and then try telling me that women's reproductive health has anything to do with giving women opportunity.
PDiddy, Barak Obama, Herman Caine, Ben Carson, Denzel Washington, Van Jones, Regina King, Michael Jordan, Bo Jackson, Juan Williams, Thomas Sowell, Beyonce Knowles, DeGrasse Tyson. Getting the point?
Maybe some day you will overcome the brainwashing you have suffered.
If your point is that people have risen above their station, I'm aware. But all you're really doing is illustrating the faxt that there is nothing inherently wrong with black people that explains why they have less income that white people 🙃
Go back to an ERA and you can find blacks that where Rich. Jack J Johnson. Had a car before 90% of whit people. In the early 1900's dont mean there was no racism. So sick of this RETARDE argument
Yeah, you're right. There's never been a successful black person in the history of the U. S. And there's certainly never been any advantages given to black people to help them attain success if they chose to.
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I'm for everybody getting theirs white people black people get your money. The government took property from whites. Get your money.
And to be honest it would only be 25,000- 30,000 per household not per person. For blacks
No, reparations are a repair of an imbalanced foundation. It isn't our fault it has been neglected so long that the problem has made itself worse, but it is the situation. We can fix it or it will be worse for the next generation.
You can try and dress it up however you want but at the end of the day, you are putting a gun to my head and telling me to give money to somebody because I am white and they are black.
No I'm not. I'm asking you if you would like to be part of the generation that fixes a problem or would you rather put it off so the next generation has to deal with it. And, assuming you would rather put it off, I'm asking why.
Also, no one has ever been shot for not paying their taxes in the U. S.
Cops will shoot you just for bad-mouthing them or less and you think people have not been gunned down for trying to run from the IRS? You are forced to pay taxes at gunpoint when it comes down to it, because if you fully resist then you will look down a gun barrel.
Black people today are not slaves and a lot of them are better off than white people in trailer parks.
You would have trailer white dudes with missing teeth pay money to black men born in rich families.
"Blacks are more poor on average."
Women also learn less than average on men because they take paternity leave and such. Women were also brutalized by men for years and given the right to vote after blacks, should we give them reparations too?
Reparations is a bad idea unless you do it in the same generation that it happened in and you make the actual slave owners pay the actual slaves.
Also, I have only roots in this country dating back to my great-grandparents. I don't have relation to people who owned slaves in America and even if I did, you don't visit the sins of the father on to the son, you know?
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Lmao, the entitlement on this one is at level 347. Who would pay them and how would they even decided whos worthy of one. Everyone might as well claim their a victim. Why not be a purpose predator? chase that not victimhood
Reparations from who to who?
I have never owned a slave. And I don't know anyone alive who ever was a slave. I'm not paying money to some rando because my ancestor wronged their ancestor.
The logistics and precise amounts "owed" to each person would be a whole other task. This is more a question of whether or not people agree with the concept of that work being done, even if they don't, personally, want to be involved.
Then I disagree with the concept.
The sins of the father are not visited upon the sons.
But it's not so much a 'repentance' so much as a 'maintenance' thing. Like if your floor was uneven and the more you let it go the more uneven it will get. You can say it was the people before you who built it that way all you like but it doesn't change the fact that if it doesn't get fixed it will just continue to tilt.
I completely reject the analogy. When we banned slavery, we replaced the floor.
oh, so you think the banning of slavery was the reparations? People with literally nothing were instantly placed on equal footing with everyone else who had something?
No, banning slavery wasn't reparations. But the window for reparations to be paid has long passed.
The idea that there is a window to repair things and that the window has passed doesn't suggest that it has been fixed, only that it has become too complicated to fix.
No, it's that it's too late to fix because both the victims and the perpetrators are all dead.
If a murder goes unsolved for long enough for the murderer to never get caught, we have to then accept that the crime wasn't solved soon enough for justice to be served. We don't just throw the descendent of the murder in prison.
All races have been slaves including whites in America. No race was treated worse than the Chinese but now they are doing fine. Some blacks are thriving because they are intelligent. However, the IQ of the average black is one standard deviation below the norm and that is 85% heredity and only 15% environment. Other than enforced selective breeding over generations, there is no cure for that.
It’s impossible to do because the federal govt can only give what it takes and it will be taking from one black person in taxes as it gives to another black person. There are latinos and European Americans that immigrated here after slavery so their decedents should have to pay higher taxes to give to black people? The issue of reparations should have been solved when the slaves were emancipated so the slave owners who were responsible could be charged, too much time has past.
Claims are not relevant to time, the only relevance is if your willing to press it.
America is the culprit, how its settles its debt is not up to me
@cjmtherfcker if you are an American you are America especially if you are a tax payer
Sure, let's have every person that's owned a slave in their lifetime pay every person that used to be a slave.
Oh, wait; we're done already, because nobody currently living has either been a slave, or a slave owner? Well, shit, that was easy!
I think giving up one's life so one can be free is the Highest Bar that can be set. There is nothing more precious than One's Life. Didn't the North in the Civil War do that? Slavery was wrong, but what's being suggested is to punish people who never owned slaves by giving to people who never were slaves.
Hahaha! Look at this member of the working class supporting other working class members taking money out of each others pockets when the people with real money taking money out of their pockets will not be affected!
Divide and conquer.
I haven't wronged anyone, so I don't owe anyone. Besides, handing people free money will not solve these woes. A lot of people will go buy a bunch of new expensive things and be broke again the next day, and still in the same situation. What then?
Then we get to say "you got your reparations so we don't want to hear about so much as the existence of racism any more."
You can say it, but you're still going to hear about it. Free money begets people wanting more free money.
and yet, interestingly, no one seems to worry about that when rich white people get free money.
But I digress. The idea would be to come to an agreement as to how much would qualify as the final argument-ending reparations. Those receiving would also have to agree before they get them. And then it's done.
We aren't discussing rich white people, so you would have no clue how I would feel about them getting free money.
What you're talking about isn't realistic. You aren't going to get that many people to agree about anything. When people get their free money, and blow it all, then folks will start pointing to how they're still poor and things are still unequal. You're leaving human nature out of the argument.
In fact I am factoring human nature into the argument quite entirely. You're assuming black people would just "blow it all." Why would you assume that? To assume that is to assume black people are subhuman, not human. Everyone of every race want to be better.
Exactly, that’s why blacks keep voting democrat, the democrats are bankrupting America to give minorities supposed “ free shit” in exchange for votes, welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and don’t forget abortions, that’s the Democrats way of keeping their pet blacks on a leash, so they don’t over breed.
How am I assuming black people are subhuman. Stop reading things that aren't there. I purposely used the term people instead of black people because there are a lot of people of all races that would just blow that money. Look at all the stimulus, extra unemployment, and huge tax returns so many people got, but somehow couldn't pay their rent. It's our instant gratification society.
They’ll have their greedy hands out wanting more, just look at welfare, look at the unemployment during the covid SCAMdemic, now nobody wants to go back to work, help wanted signs are everywhere.
Rich people earn interest far beyond the.001% you get for that $5.00 sitting in your savings account, they use the tax laws and bankruptcy laws to their benefit, as they were designed, that doesn’t make them crooked or evil, it makes them smart, oh, by the way America has rich black folks too… just so you don’t end up being a stereotyping WHINER.
It’s not free money it’s money that is owed. Former slaves were promised reparations right after slavery but never got them and even though you might not want to believe it that has an affect on the economic status of most black people and most white people today so the way I see it is that it doesn’t matter what we would spend the money on that’s none of your concern.
@SmokinAces2000 it is my concern because the people today that will be paying it l, me included, had no part in slavery, nor the promise to pay anything. It's not money we owe, so it is free money. If this were to be done, it should have been done back then when it was promised.
That’s exactly my point it should have been done when it was promised but it wasn’t. Slavery isn’t the only thing that reparations would be for. Do you know how many things that America has done to black people. Redlining, Jim Crow, Lynchings, police brutality, segregation. And even though people like to make the excuse that slavery was so long ago you can’t really make that excuse with the things that I listed since lynchings were rampant 60 years ago and so was segregation and Jim Crow. Redlining still happens to this day. I find it extremely irritating that after years of bullshit that black people have and still do go through, we are all expected to flip around hundreds of years of oppression and detrimental events and solve all the problems in the black community by ourselves and overnight
@SmokinAces2000 exactly, it wasn't paid, but it still isn't a debt that anyone alive today owes. And all those other things you mentioned, I had nothing to do with those either, so again, not my debt. I make it a point not to oppress anyone. Just handing people will not solve any problems. When the money is gone, it's back to square one. Then what?
@SmokinAces2000 , I can say this then, $1million in reparations to the descendants of every US Soldier, Union AND Confederate that died in the Civil War… there will be no cash reparations, the debt was paid in blood.
Well, what specific things are we talking about?
Things can make sense or easily spiral out of control depending on what we’re talking about.
Why don't you go ahead and give up your earnings to a black family. Next time you have a job interview or promotion. Ask if there are black candidates and give them your spot. Practice what you preach.
Excellent answer
I think one thing is affordability, with CoVid reducing economic output and increasing economic debt, this is a burden that should only be dealt with when the more immediate issues are managed.
cause nobody that lives today has any guilt. and also another big issue that people seem to forget: throwing money at things won't fix issues. the deep set cultural differences will not change anything. because "lack of money" is not the problem of black communities. it's lack of habitual predictors of career success.
The legal entity of America still exist as it did then.
@cjmtherfcker the legal entity of America has no money. It just redistributes money off the people via taxes... So the only place that money can come from, is innocent people's pockets.
@cjmtherfcker and as I already explained, pumping money in their pockets will not fix anything. Cause the lack thereof is not the problem to begin with.
Im ok with however the gov gets it.
@cjmtherfcker well again giving them money won't change the cultural and habitual status quo that created the situation in the first place. It's like giving a hobo 1000bucks. That won't make him fix his Livestyle. It will just let him live a little better for some time, till everything turns back to shit once this money is gone...
We need to help them in other ways. You know that saying "if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day" right?
It is odd how people only ever say throwing money at the problem won't fix it when it is poverty that is the problem. But when the rich have any problems whatsoever, all solutions seem to involve throwing money at it. Seems like there must be enoigh that we could test it just once.
I think the fear is the rich know they don't do anything useful and so if poor people were suddenly infused with cash the rich don't have the confidence that they could sell them anything that would result in the rich ending up with that money. They'd have to swindle it but with an abrupt hold on resources the suddenly-less-poor would be able to buy an independence from rich people's scams by starting their own businesses and such. And so the rich prefer all surplus money just go to themselves.
The poverty doesn't come from the lack of money. Put Jewish families in the same economical situation and they'll do better. Put Asian families in the same economical situation and they will do better. Put black communities in a better economical situation and they will still do worse. The issue is with habitual differences. With templates for a successful life. With family structures and with responsibility. Not with money
if throwing money would work or if "preferential treatment" (discrimination of other races due to affirmative action) would work, then why do we still have issues today? throwing moeny at it does not work. it has proven to not work. so claiming that it's just rich people being scared to lose money is bullshit.
The definition of poverty is the lack of money. In any case it seems clear you think there is something fundamentally wrong with black people that gives them a disadvantage in the U. S. economy. That, as it happens, is pretty much the definition of a racist. So, as long as you admit it and have no illusions that your opinion is based on anything else, I suppose that's fair.
no i believe there is something fundamentally wrong in the habitus of black people that makes them perform worse in the economy world wide not just in america. and that is notn some sort of racist bullshit. that is something that you can and will find the world over. i look at statistical facts, not at left or right wing propaganda. and if you're a leftist, thinking that giving people money will fix the issues, go ahead and try that some more. but i can confidently tell yout hat this won't work, cause we have tried.
we know the predictors of financial and economical success. and "race" is not one. neither is "the amount of money that you have".
the greatest predictors of success are: having an intact household with both parents rising you, having good grades in school, meaning you are either intelligent or hard working and stying away from crime (avoiding jail time).
work ethics are probably the most important predictor of success in the economy. that's why Asian and jewish people do better than whites and that's why hispanics and blacks do worse than whites. it has nothing to do with the race. but with the behaviors and livestyle choices that the average person being in those racial groups displays for us to observe.
if you think that stating "black people do worse" is "racist", then i'm sorry to tell you, but you suffer from retardation.
we know that if you set the economical playing field straight and put everyone to zero, then within a few years, you will see the same stratification of income by race. this is not "racist bullshit", that is an observable fact.
here's an interesting test you can conduct to proof that it isn't about "race". take a black orphan and lt it be rised by Asian parents. i'm willing to bet my left nut, that this child will do way above average for black people.
No, that's definitely racist bullshit. You are saying there is something fundamentally wrong with black people instead of admitting there is something wrong with their situation. You are a racist. Own it.
I think it comes from the lack of clarity about what exactly reparations would look like and where it would end. Because there's a definite tendency to give people an inch and have them try to take a mile. The reparations we give would never be enough to the people asking for the reparations. Plus, the reparations wouldn't even resolve the actual issue impacting the black community, which is dependence on the government and an inability to feel equal.
But thats not an actual issue impacting the black community. White people get welfare, too, but no one tries to take that away because of the fear of forming a dependency. It's just black people "for some reason." White people have been accusing black people of mass laziness for 400 years..
And there can be enough. It is a whole other conversation to figure out what that amount is. And once everyone agrees the issue is settled and no one will ever have the excuse of their race for their situation in the U. S. ever again. The problem is in order for everyone to agree we need to first include a full accounting of all the f'ed up things our country has done to black people to hold them back while others get further ahead.
The black community is in the situation they are in for a lot of reasons. Reparations only addresses one part of that equation. If you want to fix the problems in the black community, you have to start by fixing the family.
but "the family" is broken because so many are too poor to support kids in a healthy way. You can say "a lot of reasons" but all of those reasons end up stemming from poverty. And specifically a poverty that was forced upon them.
And there is absolutely no scenario in life where having two parents providing two incomes is less stable than having the parents split up; except in cases where a better wellfare check is given to the single mom (which is what happened to the black community).
The answer out of poverty is to repair the family unit, improve education, and provide opportunities that pay better than petty crime.
That isn't what happened to the black community. Whoever told you that is lying to you just to get you to have certian stereotypes of black people "for some reason."
History and black people told me that's exactly what happened to the black community. Do me a favor and slap your grade school teachers for getting it wrong. Know what causes poverty? Lack of intergenerational wealth accumulation. Know what causes that? Lack of cohesive families because how can a parent pass money and knowledge to their child when the parent isn't around the child. the SINGLE GREATEST PREDICTOR OF FUTURE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR IN YOUNG MEN IS NOT HAVING A FATHER PRESENT IN THE HOME. You gotta read deeper into these programs, buddy. What happened to the black community won't be repaired by throwing money at them and giving them hand jobs. Do yourself a favor and dig into the real financial motivations for Planned Parenthood and then try telling me that women's reproductive health has anything to do with giving women opportunity.
No they didn't. You're clearly so deep in the far right infotainment that you don't mind lying about where you get your opinions from.
I get my information from the library of Congress.
PDiddy, Barak Obama, Herman Caine, Ben Carson, Denzel Washington, Van Jones, Regina King, Michael Jordan, Bo Jackson, Juan Williams, Thomas Sowell, Beyonce Knowles, DeGrasse Tyson. Getting the point?
Maybe some day you will overcome the brainwashing you have suffered.
If your point is that people have risen above their station, I'm aware. But all you're really doing is illustrating the faxt that there is nothing inherently wrong with black people that explains why they have less income that white people 🙃
Go back to an ERA and you can find blacks that where Rich. Jack J Johnson. Had a car before 90% of whit people. In the early 1900's dont mean there was no racism.
So sick of this RETARDE argument
Yeah, you're right. There's never been a successful black person in the history of the U. S. And there's certainly never been any advantages given to black people to help them attain success if they chose to.
I'm for everybody getting theirs white people black people get your money. The government took property from whites. Get your money.
And to be honest it would only be 25,000- 30,000 per household not per person. For blacks
Because the people who would be responsible for paying reparations are long dead.
My lineage had no part in any explanation and until they left Ireland they were almost slaves themselves. I will never take part in reparations.
No, I didn't do shit to blacks so I won't pay a single cent towards this RACIST cause.
"Pay up cus you white son."
Over my dead body.
that's not what reparations are.
It is making one person pay another purely based on skin tone.
Based as usual
No, reparations are a repair of an imbalanced foundation. It isn't our fault it has been neglected so long that the problem has made itself worse, but it is the situation. We can fix it or it will be worse for the next generation.
You can try and dress it up however you want but at the end of the day, you are putting a gun to my head and telling me to give money to somebody because I am white and they are black.
No I'm not. I'm asking you if you would like to be part of the generation that fixes a problem or would you rather put it off so the next generation has to deal with it. And, assuming you would rather put it off, I'm asking why.
Also, no one has ever been shot for not paying their taxes in the U. S.
Put the bill on the people in forbes billionaire list instead of people who are just trying to get by you sick statist fuck
Cops will shoot you just for bad-mouthing them or less and you think people have not been gunned down for trying to run from the IRS? You are forced to pay taxes at gunpoint when it comes down to it, because if you fully resist then you will look down a gun barrel.
Black people today are not slaves and a lot of them are better off than white people in trailer parks.
You would have trailer white dudes with missing teeth pay money to black men born in rich families.
"Blacks are more poor on average."
Women also learn less than average on men because they take paternity leave and such. Women were also brutalized by men for years and given the right to vote after blacks, should we give them reparations too?
Reparations is a bad idea unless you do it in the same generation that it happened in and you make the actual slave owners pay the actual slaves.
Also, I have only roots in this country dating back to my great-grandparents. I don't have relation to people who owned slaves in America and even if I did, you don't visit the sins of the father on to the son, you know?
I don't think I should pay for others crimes and racism. Punishing the innocent doesn't help fix anything. It just makes more hatred.
By innocent, I mean the polices didn't benefit me.