Is vaccine mandates really against the Constitution?

[Daniela1982]

We have certain inalienable rights. But the President is taking away some of these rights by his mandates.

[nightdrot]

Actually, it may be "against the Constitution," the final say that it is so laying with the courts and perhaps the Supreme Court. That said, the case against such a mandate at the Federal level is quite strong.

To start, the Constitution stipulates, under the 10th Amendment, that any power not specifically granted to the Federal government is reserved to the states "or to the people." The latter provision typically being interpreted as meaning local government. To be sure, Federal authority has been read somewhat broadly in the 20th and 21st centuries, with some implied powers being read into the general provision.

That said, as an historical matter, health regulations in general have been under the jurisdiction of state and local government. Most health laws being state or local in origin. The only exceptions have been cases of interstate commerce as well as the authority of the Federal government over Federal employees and indirectly those entities that contract with the Federal government. Plus, more recently, to a limited extent, for the beneficiaries of Medicare and Medicaid.

(Also, it should be added that the approval of all drugs - including vaccines - for sale and distribution, is in the hands of the Federal government. This deriving again from the Federal government's power to regulate interstate commerce.)

This is why the President, in announcing his "mandate" is attempting to impose it through OSHA health regulations. That is that he is attempting to impose the mandate via the authority of the Federal government to maintain workplace safety - this power too being implicit in the Federal government's authority to regulate interstate commerce.

Thus also why the Administration is imposing the mandate only on those companies with 100 or more employees. Assuming that smaller companies will be, on average, less likely to engage in interstate commerce.

Suffice to say, the Biden Administration, in attempting to impose a vaccine mandate is, at the very least, attempting to thread the constitutional needle. At the most basic level, the President would seem to be, prima facie, exceeding the authority of the Executive branch. However, there is enough room for interpretation such that the case will have to be argued in the courts.

As far as the likely outcome of such a case is concerned, at the level of the Supreme Court the tendency of the Court, historically speaking, has been to give deference to the elected branches. However, as the President has made the penalty for failing to comply with the mandate the potential loss of employment, that will likely be viewed as going too far. Consequently, it is more likely than not that the President's mandate will be, at the end of a fairly lengthy process, struck down.

[OddBeMe]

Like the ACA mandate, the court will decide. Maybe the right has enough justifies forced through now. But I’m sure due process has been done and now the govt has the right to have requirements for working in our society.

[OddBeMe]

*justices

[nightdrot]

@OddBeMe Sorry. I did not quite sure I understand what you wrote. Could you please clarify?

By the way, taking a stab at this, the ACA mandate was a question of health care coverage and financial obligation. The penalty was financial and not one related to employment.

As I noted above, this makes it different not just in degree, but in kind. Had the Biden Administration sought to impose a financial penalty - such as a fine - they would likely be on firmer ground.

[Goforit1010]

1. The President cannot force people to take medication. That's between Dr. and the patient. Believe it or not, that Doctor/Patient privacy was settled with Roe v Wade!

2. He's denying people a choice on THEIR health. The Gov't is assuming ZERO liability for ANY and ALL negative side effects if you take the shot. The same with the pharmaceutical companies. YOU assume ALL the risks of the shots.

3. Once you take the shots, that's something permanently inside you. It violates the Nuremberg Code, that people need to take this voluntarily and to get completely informed of what they're getting. Coercion and forced vaccination makes Biden equal to Hitler when he used Jews for medical experimentation.

4. It's also a violation of US HIPPA laws to force you to disclose your health information.

Whomever cooked up this hateful idea - that the unvaxed need to be forced into taking the shots, needs to be strung up and let their carcass rot in the sun. Up until this point, no one forced anyone to take the shots. This is stupidity of the liberals. Total mental disorder.

[Daniela1982]

@Goforit1010 Right on!

[btbc92]

Look up about what this covid actually is. This is a crime against humanity. They plotted this since you and I were just children. It is deliberate. A "virus" they actually allowed to do what it did, a "vaccine" they did to "remedy" the problem. This is not about protecting you and me from this virus. This is much more than that. This is about trying to stop people from having any connection with God. Anybody who got this vaccine will lose their ability to be connected in a spiritual matter. It is biotech. And all of the celebrities etc knew about it. All of them lied. Anybody who can read body language and hear what is going on can see where the lies are. They funded the lab that was "studying" that. And Sen, I forgot his name had literally helped brought that out of him. You can tell how much they keep bringing the guy up, and they again had this plot. People have no idea what they have just done to themselves. This is a nightmare.

[Daniela1982]

@btbc92 This is not the sign of the Beast if that is what you are saying. That doesn't come about until the 2nd 3 1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation. But I will say it is just more Government control over the population. Keep giving them money and they will do anything they say. Next they will mandate that all guns be turned into the Government. If they can abolish the 2nd Amendment than none of the others are worth the blood or the ink they were written with.

[btbc92]

@daniela1982 It is to format your body for it. Once people take it and they turn these things on they will be hooked to the system. It is not what everybody has been taught. I am sorry.

[btbc92]

The iron and clay cannot mix. With these inoculations, what do you think it is? Why do you think they are having more robots and AI tech and biotech? They did this in the Biblical times. They have done this to other worlds also. And they failed. They are doing it,... again.

It is not about money. It is not just about government control. It is not just about population control. Read the bible then, because I am now looking at this differently. I had visions last year about this and I saw. I was warned not to take it. God never told anyone to take it. Anybody who takes it will eventually be cut off from God without their knowledge. It is about genes. If they can alter the genes then it becomes hard to remain that connection. What we are going through is pre tribulation. This is only just a small preview of what is to come. But anybody who took those shots, will not be able to stand Biblical teaching anymore.

[btbc92]

A lot of things we have been taught in the church building, they haven't told us the whole truth. We've been mostly lied to about this whole thing. In order to make it, what did Jesus said? You must be born AGAIN.

[LisaRaven]

I'm not 100% sure if it's constitutional or not, but I do think it's hypocritical of him to mandate citizens to take the shot while defending the illegal aliens they are allowing to stream into the US that are refusing it.

[Daniela1982]

True, but they aren't working.

[OlderAndWiser]

The Constitution means whatever the US Supreme Court says it means.

[Daniela1982]

I guess the rest of our freedoms are open to interpretation too then. The Supreme Court are just sell outs in that case to the real powers that be.

[ODC2112]

In Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11 (1905). United States Supreme Court ruled to enforce state power against Henning Jacobson a pastor that did not want to be vaccinated. United States Supreme Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws, that not violate the fourt Fourteenth Amendment.

"in every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations , as the safety of the general public may demand "and that" [real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others. "

This close any debate about vaccines are against constitution.

[Daniela1982]

It's just their "workaround".

[RealMarek]

Jacobsen dealt with a state action, not a federal executive orders. Because powers not enumerated to the federal government are reserved for the states, it is not obvious how the Jacobsen decision applies to federal executive orders.

[EnglishEuropean]

@RealMarek That doesn't make a difference to whether it's constitutional or not.

[RealMarek]

@EnglishEuropean given that Jacobsen is what is being used to justify the executive order, it should make a difference. However, given the abandonment of any pretense of being bound by what is written in the Constitution, what really matters is what nine people in black robes think. We shall see.

[EnglishEuropean]

@RealMarek What's constitutional at state level can't be unconstitutional at federal level. It's the same constitution.

[RealMarek]

@EnglishEuropean That is completely incorrect. Have you read the Constitution? It plainly states that the constraints on the national government differs from those on the state governments. That is the whole point of federalism. Also, the states have their own constitutions; they do not share the same constitution with the national government.

[sawno]

Yes, you have a right to bodily integrity.
Same argument different direction, is rape really against the constitution if there was a mandate that managers are allowed to have sex with their workers and are allowed to fire them otherwise? They'd have a choice wouldn't they? They can choose to seek another job or they can choose to have sex in front of their coworkers if the manager is into that stuff. After all they also keep publically trying to pressure the unvaccinated.

All this is perfectly legal if biden would say so and then all managers can have a lot of fun. Right? Of course not. The constitution exists exactly for this reason. Biden can mandate what he wants. Doesn't mean its legal or in effect.

[t-8900]

Last I checked the Gov as it stands today is already unConstitutional. They have way more control than was ever intended

[Daniela1982]

They fuck up in Afghanistan killing many thousands - and more to come. They even give them the weapons to do it. So they throw red herrings at us to get us to fight against each other so we won't see our other rights going down the tubes. If they can make everyone get a vaccine they will have no problem getting everyone to get the Mark of the Beast in the end times - not too far from now. There you can't buy or sell unless you have this mark. So it's that or starve to death. It's just more government control in their agenda to get a cashless society and a one world government.

[t-8900]

thats why they want the guns

[Daniela1982]

Yep, our gun rights are next.

[NaultD]

No

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11, was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.

Kinda in the same way you don't have freedom to be a drunk driver and potentially killing yourself and/or other people.

[Daniela1982]

"police power of the state" So who keeps the State in check? Sounds like Nazi Germany with their SS. There can be abuse of power as we all know.

[Jamie05rhs]

Also, that was a Massachusetts state law. Not a federal law.

[NaultD]

@Jamie05rhs that's where it started then brought up to the Supreme Court. Once the United States of America Supreme Court makes a ruling its for all of the United States.

[Jamie05rhs]

@NaultD You missed my point. I said that is was a STATE law. So the ruling applies to state laws. Not Federal laws.

[FunkyMonkee]

The Constitution is SUPPOSED to guarantee our freedom! FORCING us to do shit we don't want to do strips away that freedom.

[Daniela1982]

@FunkyMonkee Exactly! Women complain about not having the right to have an abortion rights taken away but don't mind not having this freedom of choice. *rolls eyes* The Government is great at covering things up. I'm sure there has been a ton of vaccinated people that have died too. In fact some people who took a vaccination died because it was contaminated with stainless steel that the vats the vaccine was made in. Why are vaccinated people moaning anyway? If they believe their vaccination is going to make them immune why would they care is someone didn't get vaccinated? It should be no skin off their noses, right?

[FunkyMonkee]

Absolutely!! Good point!! Maybe it's because 6 of those Texans that fled to Washington a month ago that WERE vaxxed still got the disease!
But, it really shouldn't matter since there are 4 cures that I know of! What is highly suspicious is that, they've been claiming for over a year now that HQC DOESN'T work and that it kills people!! In the first place, everyone that's taken it has proven it DOES work! Secondly, why would a malaria drug kill people? It's been in use for 60 years and SUDDENLY it kills people? Thirdly, even if it HAS killed people, what's the body count, 3, 4, a dozen? Compare that to how many have died from the vaccination or at least became VERY sick from it, in some cases, permanantly!! If they're so concerned about the few people that SUPPOSEDLY died from the cure, why aren't they more concerned about those that took the vax and died or got sick from it? Also, we've known for MANY years now that one of the goals of elites is to get us ALL vaccinated!! So, Fauci creates and funds the creation of this pandemic SO we will all be vaxxed and then, somebody discovers a CURE for the disease! So, what does Fauci do? He tells everyone that HQC is no good and will kill people!! Well, why weren't they so concerned over all the grandparents that Cuomo killed and got an award for?
Also, they've been trying to micro chip us all and this is a perfect excuse to do that to us, too!!

[Shamiah02]

Nope, no more than seatbelt laws are, some laws are put in place for people who don't have enough commonsense to do the right thing.

His mandates do not say get the vaccine or go to jail.
He says to protect others ya can't work in certain places or values. People lose jobs for poor decisions made outside of work all the time, this is no different

Drunk driving or doing drugs eliminates you from certain jobs, just like not being vaccinated.
Same concept.

[Avicenna]

Well, if anyone's interested, this article discusses what may be the relevant federal case law:

Jacobson case from 1905

[Massageman]

He overstepped his supposed authority a looooooong time ago.
If for no other reason, the Constitution states that any power not SPECIFICALLY assigned to the Federal government remains in the hands of the States!
Of course, there are the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments. We don't even need to go THAT far, since biden has already done enough to be court-martialed and hung.

[es20490446e]

The only thing that is really required is to get tested if you don't take the vaccine.

That makes sense, being that the risk is making your hole company collapse while some of your colleagues die.

Your life, your choice. Your colleagues life, not your choice to have an opinion on that.

[Daniela1982]

@es20490446e But! They are using coercion by not letting you keep your job that you have worked for 20 years if you refuse it, so it is like blackmail. That is what it will be like in the End Times. You take the mark of the Beast or you will not be allowed to buy or sell.

[Smashingdoozy]

No it's not against the constitution.

Your rights aren't getting taken away. You have a right to not get the vaccine, but there will be consequences if you make that choice and you will have to live with those consequences.

[Usernamej58]

"You don't have to get the vaccine, but we'll cut you out of society if you don't".

Have fun with ADE.

[Smashingdoozy]

Well yeah... If you don't want to get the vaccine then you don't get to experience life as normal again. This isn't a new thing. You need vaccinations to attend most schools, you need certain vaccinations to enter some countries.

Also ADE isn't necessarily a bad thing, the fact you are trying to use it as a scare tactic shows how little effort you put into reading reliable sources.

[Usernamej58]

"ADE isn't necessarily a bad thing"
That's funny, because Fauci said that vaccinating people and making the virus worse as a result is the 'worst possible thing we could do'.

These vaccines were developed in 6 months. The vaccines you're talking about had the normal 4-5 years at least of development and many more testing waiting for approval. Even some vaccines that went through the long waiting times turned out to be disasters. We could have another Thalidomide on our hands with this vaccine.

[Smashingdoozy]

The type of vaccine has been under development for decades. It just took them less than a year to make it work with covid. Again you lack the ability to read.

And no fauci didn't say that from what I can see but please feel free to cite your sources.

The only thing I can see that fauci said "It's the worst thing you could do," is about sending infected children home from college campuses. But please by all means prove me wrong...

[Smashingdoozy]

Ps thalidomide was a drug not a vaccine. They work differently.

[Usernamej58]

Dr Robert Malone (inventor of mRNA tech that made the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines possible warned of a thalidomide type situation as in a treatment that could have severely harmful effects on pregnant women.

[Smashingdoozy]

Dr Robert Malone is not the inventor of mRNA tech. He self titled himself because he worked on it literally at the beginning. Hundreds of other scientists have worked on it over decades. He hasn't had anything to do with the recent studies therefore actually has no idea about the testing it has undergone. It has proven to be safe for pregnant women. He is not a reliable source.

[Smashingdoozy]

Everything he has said against the vaccine has pretty much all been debunked by scientists that are actually currently studying the technology.

[Smashingdoozy]

Oh and basically he's saying all this shit because he's mad he's not getting any of the money.

[Usernamej58]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkeRJZnCHs

Here's some info on how ADE is a very real threat:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XTcKFAOZM7cW/

www.biorxiv.org/.../2021.08.22.457114v1.full.pdf

journals.plos.org/.../journal.pbio.1002198

From Luc Montagnier: twitter.com/realityblob/status/1409947400131661825

[Smashingdoozy]

We know ADE is a thing we see it at the moment as there are breakthrough cases but they are rare which shows the vaccine is working.

Those articles aren't really saying what you think they are. One is basically saying booster shots will be needed which we already knew.

I'm not going to bother with the videos as they're likely unreliable.

[Usernamej58]

www.timesofisrael.com/health-ministry-chief-says-coronavirus-spread-reaching-record-heights

Isreal being the most vaccinated country on the planet and where many are triple vaccinated.

[Smashingdoozy]

Yes the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting the virus. It prevents hospitalizations and death. Delta varient is far more infectious had that many people not been vaccinated, using statistics the entire country would be infected. Actually the stats work out to be more than the entire population of Israel.

[Smashingdoozy]

Doesn't always stop you*

[Smashingdoozy]

1.4% of their cases turn critically ill compared to what it was before with 4% when everyone was unvaccinated (pre delta too)

[Usernamej58]

And how many are suffering adverse events? From what I see on VAERS, Eudravigilance and MHRA its rpretty bad and is far worse when you consider their numbers only account for between 1-10 percent of the real numbers.

www.lifesitenews.com/.../

nationalfile.com/.../#comments

[Smashingdoozy]

VAERS lists everything that happens to a person after receiving a vaccine. Not necessarily related to the vaccine. It literally says this in the disclaimers that you have to tick to say you read (TWICE) before accessing the database.

[Usernamej58]

Yes and in medicine you troubleshoot based on the last thing that changed in the body. Which, if were an experimental vaccine with largely unknown side effects in young people, pregnant women, in the medium and long term is a pretty big red flag.

This argument is rather invalidated when you consider the other Reporting systems for the UK and EU are showing the same trends and if you read the reports they largely all have to do with blood clots which is a known issue caused by the Spike Protein. This correlation is too strong to not be significant.

The US used to stop vaccinating after 25-50 deaths. The number of deaths now dwarfs all deaths from all vaccines reported to VAERS in in the 30 years it's existed.

This the proverbial canary in the coal mine that cannot be ignored. The reason it exists and was created was to be the first early signal that a vaccine might be harmful scientists and doctors recognised the need for it.

And now you want to completely ignore it when alarm bells are going off?

Shows rather a callous disregard for human life.

[Smashingdoozy]

2-5 people per million people have experienced anaphylaxis after the vaccine.
Out of 14.5 million doses there has been 46 confirmed reports of TTS and the J&J vaccine.
Two cases of TTS following Moderna and 326 million doses.
GBS has been reported in 195 people after 14.5 million doses.
Myocarditis and pericarditis is reported in 1413 people 814 have been confirmed.

These numbers are incredibly low.

[Usernamej58]

Yes and they according to a Harvard study only account for between 1-10 percent of the real number.

Teenagers are at no risk of covid and we're inoculating them despite real world data showing massively increased risk of Myocarditis and Pericarditis. They're taking the vaccine that has no benefit and risking life altering if not fatal injuries.

The heart doesn't replace itself with new tissue it replaces with scar tissue. That scarring is for life. And there's a around a 40-50% survival rate within 5 years.

The US Military is also forcing vaccines when they are meant to be the fittest and therefore among the least at risk.

The problem is the Lipid Nano Particle that encapsulates the mRNA vaccines passes the blood brain barrier. This is why people get brain thrombosis and die.

The Spike Protein has been confirmed to be circulating around the body and because it is rough it damages the capillaries and mitochondria. This leads to reduced effort tolerance because the blood is being blocked up and can't circulate as normal.

This could seriously degrade a soldiers capacity to carry out regular combat operations.

[Smashingdoozy]

Cite this study?

Teenagers do risk covid. Children (under 18) make up 15% of total cases. That's over 5 million kids.

Military has always forced vaccines this isn't a new thing.

www.deplatformdisease.com/.../spike-protein-circulating-in-the-vaccinated-what-does-it-mean this explains the spike protein thing.

[Daniela1982]

Are we still on this? Someone would make a good filibuster.

[Usernamej58]

Dr Charles Hoffe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sIWb9GTbbE

Dr Ryan Cole: https://www.bitchute.com/video/NLNNXKKqgMzo/

rumble.com/...o-to-the-brain-and-other-organs.html

Prion Disease: https://seemorerocks.is/32258-2/

www.thelibertybeacon.com/.../

www.salk.edu/.../

[Smashingdoozy]

As long as someone keeps making stupid claims I will debunk them.

[Smashingdoozy]

www.aap.com.au/.../

https://www.factcheck.org/person/ryan-cole/

[Smashingdoozy]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-liberty-beacon/

Not sure why you're linking articles that say covid is bad but yes it is bad.

[Usernamej58]

There's the problem, you believe what the factcheckers have to say when they have a stake in the current narrative. I trust doctors and scientists who are independent, have everything to lose and nothing to gain by speaking out. They do it because they are principled and actually take their Hippocratic oath seriously.

Dr Ryan Cole runs his own research lab and has 80 employees. He has recently joined the Ada County Central District Health board. He has no one paying him to say anything.

Don't let the Government and Media lead you astray with blind trust. They are driven by corporate greed.

[Usernamej58]

I'm saying that the same spike protein found in covid is being injected into healthy people who would otherwise fight off covid by means of experimental vaccines that is demonstrably causing severe side effects.

The most concerning thing about this is that we are literally ignoring all the signs of the vaccine being a failure from reported adverse events to massive covid cases in the most vaccinated countries in the world. How is this not ringing alarm bells?

Science is not and never has been an unquestionable dogma. Scientists used to want to have their findings scrutinized and debated. What we're seeing is cultish behaviour.

What's worse is people who got vaccinated and suffered side effects were dismissed and slandered as antivaxxers! Only a cult would eat its own in such an immoral way.

Since when in History has the side that censored all dissenting opinion EVER turned out to be the good guys?

[Smashingdoozy]

The spike protein in the vaccines doesn't come from the virus...

The vaccines statistically aren't a failure. They have helped massively.

Side effects to vaccines are normal.

[Usernamej58]

The Spike Proteins are the same. If they weren't then they'd be priming the immune system for the wrong virus and they'd be useless.

Yes they've Helped Isreal, Gibraltar and Iceland see their largest covid waves yet.

"Side effects to vaccines are normal"

Yes include but are by no means limited to:

Death
GBS
Acute Disseminated encephalomyelitis
Transverse Myelitis
Convulsions/Seizures
Stroke
Narcolepsy
Anaphylaxis
Acute Myocardial infarction
Myocarditis/Pericarditis
Autoimmune Disease
Miscarriage
Thrombocytopenia
Disseminated intravascular coagulation
Venous Thromboembolism
Arthritis
Kawasaki Disease
Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome
Vaccine Enhanced Disease.

That's what the FDA admits.

Oh and the vaccine makers aren't responsible for anything that happens to you.

Isn't that great? Not the Government for making you take it nor Big Pharma for making it.

You're on your own.

That just screams responsibility and accountability.

These people are morally and empirically unquestionable and that's a good thing because us useless eaters can't be trusted with making our own choices.

We need them as the shepherds to guard us at every turn.

Hail Fauci.

[Smashingdoozy]

Spike proteins in the vaccine are replicas. Not the same as the virus itself. The vaccine also is completely out of your body in less than a week.

The vaccine doesn't prevent cases 100% of the time. No vaccine does. Covid vaccines about about 80% effective at preventing someone being infected. If you do get infected which obviously happens then you are far less likely to have severe symptoms and need hospitalization.

In the usa you have if I remember correctly a 1 in 8 chance been infected with COVID-19 if you are unvaccinated and 1 in about 10k chance of being infected if you are vaccinated.

[Usernamej58]

You're out of date. It is well known that the vaccines lose efficacy within months and may peak at 80% but that rapidly falls away.

To the second point you're using a useless metric. At 40 cycles or higher the PCR test can detect basically anything. The inventor literally said it could test you positive for anything. The important stats are hospitalization and death. Most people who test positive never knew they had it because the test is throwing false positives because its finding remnants of dead virus.

The difference between you and me being right on this vaccine question is that if you're wrong then the greatest crime in human history has been perpetrated and millions will suffer. This is why the pro covid vax side is so fervently pushing their narrative.

The vaxxed have a niggling doubt that they might have done the wrong thing. But there's no way to undo their mistake so they try decide if they're going down they'll make sure they take everyone else down with them. No one wants to be alone in their mistake.

The unvaccinated will have no such problems.

[Smashingdoozy]

The photo literally shows hospitalizations vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

[Usernamej58]

You still believe the CDC. Sad.

[Smashingdoozy]

You still believe 12 conspiracy theorists. Sad.

[Usernamej58]

Imagine still living in the matrix after all that has happened thus far.

[humanearth]

Our Civil and political rights are violated through genocide (Vaccines), torture, and arbitrary arrest. These violations often happen during times of war, and when a human rights violation intersects with the breaking of laws about armed conflict, it's known as a war crime. So he is using a virus as war.

Guns are going bye bye next.

Think I'm kidding

[RolandCuthbert]

There is no federal mandate. And anyone who posts that garbage here is lying and trying to start crap over nothing. I am employer. My employees will either wear a mask or get vaccinated.

Period.

[Daniela1982]

That's not what it says in the news. Any company with over 100 employees must require their employees to be vaccinated - or be tested for Covid every week. It is either that or they can quit or be fired. I'm sure Congress and other government employees are exempt knowing those pussies.

[Daniela1982]

An upstate New York hospital will stop delivering babies later this month, in part because employees have quit over a requirement they be vaccinated against COVID-19.

a close up of a window: Empty baby cots© / Getty Images Empty baby cots
Six maternity staff members resigned from Lewis County General Hospital last week, worsening an existing staff shortage, the Watertown Daily Times reported. The department has seven other unvaccinated employees who also could decide to leave, hospital officials said.

"The number of resignations received leaves us no choice but to pause delivering babies at Lewis County General Hospital," the hospital's CEO Gerald Cayer said at a news conference Friday. "It is my hope that the [state] Department of Health will work with us in pausing the service rather than closing the maternity department."

[RolandCuthbert]

That is a lie. I am nowhere near a hundred people. But I have two clients who are. What you cite is Federal guidance. The case you cite has nothing to do with a non-existent Federal mandate. Again I am a employer. I can mandate vaccinations. You can't travel overseas because of "mandates" in other nations. Because those nation's governments have the power and authority to order nationwide mandates.

The United States government does not and has not issued a Federal mandate on vaccinations. And you need to be banned for spreading a lie about Covid. Stop lying. Everything at this site is about guidance, advice, and recommendations.

www.cdc.gov/.../prevention.html

[Daniela1982]

I go by what I read in the news. The news about people quitting was a copy paste from a news site.

[Daniela1982]

quitting the hospital that is. I have seen several sources that say Biden has mandated it. If there was no truth to it why would there be such an uproar across the US?

[RolandCuthbert]

I have no idea what your deal is. But you had better stop listening to Glenn Beck and read the actual Constitution. Mandates are for local jurisdictions. They can be created on that basis only. The Federal Government issues what is known as "GUIDANCE". It says,"look you can do what you want, but we recommend this". You and certain folks on this page are posting lies. Because you are claiming that Biden single handedly without any input or bill submitted from Congress, decided to create an Executive Order to force mandates. That is a lie.

He can't. He knows he can't. But he can make all the suggestions he wishes. He is the President. You can disagree with those suggestions. You can call him an idiot or whatever. But when ever people lie about Covid on this page, I will confront them. Because people are dying. This is serious business. This is not about your politics.

[Scotte1us]

He cares for his people , for his country , he hates to see people are dying , i want you to go to an hospital and watch and hear patients with their kids and spouses dying in their arms sayin , I wish I had taken the vaccine then you come here talk to me constitution. Look at Other nations like Israel got their shots , do they have issues like us in usa? Our leader is trying to help his prople thats why he is a leader.

[genericname85]

yes, it absolutely it is. but as we know from hitler alreay: in a "state of emergency", a constitution mostly doesn't matter.

even if this vaccine would be so fantastical that there were 0 side effects and 100% efficiency and would litterally make it impossible for the vaccined to get corona for the rest of their life. even then, it would be against the law to "force" (or coerce) someone to get it.

[dragoblack]

No, it's not going against freedoms or the constitution. There are laws in place for prevention of a black plague like scenario during a deadly viral outbreak. It falls under protection of the country. People are just being idiots with no clue how science works or thinks a old book written by king james II to manipulate & control his people through the church, will cure them. Honestly i say leave it up to natural selection to get rid of them so we can have less brain dead idiocy in the world

[exitseven]

Rights not enumerated by the Constitution are retained by the people. It does not state specifically that the government can make you get vaccinated but it is implied that people's bodies are not subject to invasion.

[Juxtapose]

The government doesn't even listen to the Constitution anyway.

[Anonymous]

All I’ve heard about recently is the whole “fine for refusing to follow the mask mandate”. I mean, you’re still not forced to wear it but you’re gonna have to pay. And before you guys jump down my throat I’m not vaxxed but I still wear a mask.

[jshm2]

No he isn't. Grow up and develop a brain, you jellyfish

[Sabretooth]

no. this has been done since George Washington. the supreme court ruled constitutional back in 1905. plus, it's not even mandated--you can simply get the vaccine or get tested weekly. this is no different than rules against texting while driving.

[ohshee]

Check this out
https://www. facebook. com/leslie. johnson.395891/videos/4418486844846799/

[BlacklightShade]

You have the right not to get the vaccine as long as you get a COVID test every week.

[NYCQuestions1976]

It's a good idea to get vaccinated (medically permitted), but you can't be forced to comply by the government.

[Better_off_here]

i think it is since we all want to help and keep everyone safe but i think forcing someone to do it is not what America is about. if you want to die and get sick that is your right to do so, yet i would hate to see them spread it to others too.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

No it isn't:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/rdEGgg_qg4g

[sp33d]

God I love it when tinfoil hats get so worked up and start throwing around words like "dictatorship".

[Chthou95]

Here you go 🐑

[Sabretooth]

and miss the last 4 years.

[Usernamej58]

You wouldn't know what a dictatorship is until you're facing a firing squad.

[goaded]

There's a 1905 SCOTUS decision that says they're not. That overrides anything from the 18th century.

[OddBeMe]

Due process is all that’s required by the constitution. My opinion, 8 months of getting comfortable with the vax is enough due process.

[Anonymous]

Life should be made very hard for those refusing to get vaccinated. They have made life so very hard for all of us. They have broken the social contract. There should be consequences.

[Daniela1982]

Again, that's taking away our freedom of choice. You didn't have the time to watch the video so I assume you are just brain washed by the vaxers.

[btbc92]

Lady, I am sorry. But you've been duped and brainwashed. You are trying to set innocent people, men, women, and children to death. Anybody who would wish such a criminal thing on those who refuse that inoculation will have millions of blood on their hands. This is not what you think it is. We haven't done anything to you. Your being lied to.

[kyleelyn199723]

Wow this response is very very sad. The pandemic once it hit America was uncontrollable and not one single person is at fault for the virus itself. You weren’t vaccinated for about a year and some time before the vaccination came out, so by your logic you are at fault for the virus

[es20490446e]

I disagree with the opinion poster.

What measures shall be taken on those refusing to take the vaccine should have nothing to do with punishing them, but just what would bring the best outcome.

[btbc92]

@es20490446e Are you not paying attention. This is not about that. This is about life and death. And anybody who doesn't comply with the system they're trying to implement will be faced with a choice. This is about people having a connection to God because revelation is being shown right now. Do people not understand these people will not be the same anymore.

[HollyK21]

See, this is why healthy conversations are so hard to have. Rather than trying to have a level headed conversation with the opinion owner you all attack her at once shoving your opinions down this poor girls throat. Sorry, Anon.

[kyleelyn199723]

@HollyK21 her logic makes absolutely no sense. You can’t blame unvaccinated people when the damage has been done before the vaccine came about. Her logic is actually rather appalling and VERY dividing for something so inaccurate.

[btbc92]

What does the word of God say? Love not your life until death. Look at Luke 17:33. Be if anybody is "religious" or not, people better wake up. THIS is what it is talking about with this life. Anybody who is getting that vaccine is doing what Luke 17:33 says. Those who try to save their life will lose it. But those who don't will gain life. If only people understood, this is not a joke.

[kyleelyn199723]

@btbc92 you can’t connect a vaccine that is scientifically made to the Bible, I am sorry. Biblical times things were made at naturally state, not made in labs

[HollyK21]

Well don’t you want to hear her thoughts on it? Like all four of you are on her at once, how is she supposed to feel comfortable responding?

[HollyK21]

Btbc92 not everyone agrees with that biblical stuff

[kyleelyn199723]

@HollyK21 I just won’t ever agree with illogical thoughts. Yes her logic is appalling , dividing and scary because there was no thought put into her response , it’s just her being against people that don’t get the vaccine to this date.

[HollyK21]

I get it love but there was just a way to go about this and I’m sure all of you coming at her at once had to make her feel some sort of way. Like she hasn’t even said anything else..

[kyleelyn199723]

@HollyK21 hun people came at her because her comment reeked up spewing hate. If you aren’t using logic to back up such a bold topic, you are just being hateful.

[kyleelyn199723]

@HollyK21, of course she hasn’t said anything else because what she said is totally illogical and can’t be backed up.

[es20490446e]

I wonder at what time it was socially accepted as cool having obviously dumpster positions on things in America, like quoting Luke for vaccines or thinking that those are a plan by the Illuminati to grow an extra nipple.

Can anyone fabricate an opinion that isn't deep bullshit?

[kyleelyn199723]

@es2049044e agreed people are nuts and that’s why there’s such a divide. People just need to stop projecting their nutty thoughts onto other people

[btbc92]

@HollyK21 And your going to see this the hard way because it's happening believe it or NOT. That is your choice. This is not the time. She already doesn't realize what she is saying. And if she does, then I call it for what it is. Evil. No human being would want to put to death another. That is not me attacking her. That is telling the truth. I am pretty sure she is well aware of what she is saying and then you will be stumped.

[btbc92]

@es20490446e Do you really want to see it the hard way? You'll people can do whatever you please. You have free will to do so for your lives. But when this all goes down, and it will, and it is very shortly, do not say you haven't been warned. Because by that time, it will already be too late.

[HollyK21]

@btbc92 pop a chill pill😳

[btbc92]

@HollyK21 I don't do drugs if that is your suggestion. Like I said. You want to take that as a joke. You go do that. Anybody who has that pro-vaccine militant behavior better stay away from me and not threaten my livelihood either. I am not a threat to others and neither am I going to be threatened. I deserve to live and survive like everybody else. Not for somebody to play God.

[es20490446e]

@btbc92 When they, and all their bitching family, start dying I will be listening to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92i5m3tV5XY

[btbc92]

@es20490446e That just goes to show your inhuman if you think that. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[HollyK21]

@btbc92 it’s just a phrase... like you know, to chill out..

[btbc92]

@HollyK21 Well I am sorry. I am not chilling out anything, I am very serious. So while you "chill", I am focusing on preparing what I have to do for my life. Why would anybody want to wish death on anybody? People have choices to take that vaccine or not. But either way, they are still trying to harm people and they know about it. I will not force my opinions, etc on anybody. And nobody is forcing me to get that vaccine. Period. I encourage people to do their own research on it, look at the things they are too afraid to look at. I have watched more than half of this mainstream news and even news on youtube. It really isn't hard to see and hear the lies coming from that. Again, people have choices. I was never part of this world anyway. I have broken no social contract of anything. So if people want to be in systematic slavery, that again is their choice. People are growing cold and inhuman and some have reported of behavioral changes also.

[kyleelyn199723]

@btbc92 I agree with you. This debate between vaccinated and unvaccinated has people wishing death on others. It’s scary, appalling and very dividing

[es20490446e]

@btbc92 I don't wish them anything, it's just cause and effect my love.

[kyleelyn199723]

@es204490446e they’re many people that aren’t vaccinated and are doing perfectly fine. I agree with this girl here. People have gone WAY too far with their arguing and keeping divide and have been getting very hostile and nasty with their thoughts

[btbc92]

@es20490446e I am not your love, buddy. And no, you are most certainly are. By that time, you're going to be forced to make a choice. Like I said, if you want that vaccine, that's on you. I know what it is and I am not taking it. And funny, the meme you're showing me I can actually picture you doing that. Doing something reckless and then want to blame others, like these girls you picked for your reckless decisions and now you sour with every woman not giving you attention. Sounds about right.

[Daniela1982]

@kyleelyn199723 I think she is referring to Revelation's Mark of the Beast, which this is not. It is more about Government control over people.

[Daniela1982]

@es20490446e Well you haven't tried very hard either.

[kyleelyn199723]

@Daniela1982 I think her overall gist is correct though. Not one single person should be getting to the point where they are wishing death upon others meanwhile they are literally spewing hate because people won’t vaccinate themselves. It’s just the irony I see all in all. And it’s coming from mostly the democratic side (the side that claims they care about the people, but then are wishing death upon people and insisting unvaccinated people don’t deserve a spot in a hospital bed)

[es20490446e]

@btbc92 My sourness doesn't come from dating.

[btbc92]

@es20490446e I think your attitude tells me otherwise. You seem very adamant about casual sex as opposed to a sustaining relationship and you admitted it to me few comments ago. So while I am sure life didn't treat you well either, most of your disdain is from dating and experiences with women.

[es20490446e]

@btbc92 I'm NOT adamant about casual sex. I haven't had Tinder, or any other dating app, for years.

If I ever had casual sex it was because that was the only thing I had access to, for a long time, versus dating horrible girls, people that nobody wants to deal with. I would change that for a decent relationship anytime!

But that's not what pisses me off. I work a lot on myself, personally and professionally, yet I feel that is mostly ignored.

I can't even talk about those things with most people because they don't even care, whatever it is. They only care about politics, entertainment, and pity arguments with people that don't love them back.

[btbc92]

@es20490446e You had access to a real relationship if you really wanted to. If it took you to 50 to wait you didn't have to have casual sex. That was YOUR CHOICE. And if you missed out because your fornicated, that was again your choice. I know full well what your country is. You have similar standards when it comes to Christian values. I believe you come from a Muslim nation, am I correct? So what are you really talking about? You ignored for whatever reasons you're ignored. Your expecting attention and yet the ones who should give you that is your family, your parents. Nobody owes you attention. That is what I had to learn. We all deserve to be loved. But your asking for sexual attention is your problem. I cannot make this any clearer to you since the last time we spoke. When are you going to learn? I CARE enough to tell you the truth. It is up to you to either listen or ignore what I had to say.

[btbc92]

If I didn't care I wouldn't have told you. I would not be speaking for hours, "Wasting" my time talking to you, communicating with you, if I never cared. You just don't care or love yourself to see when somebody loves and cares about you. Even if it is not the kind of "love" you seek. I'm paying attention to you, aren't I? I wouldn't be talking to you if I weren't. So what the hell are you talking about? How are you going to have a decent relationship when that is not what you really want. You want sex, and because of that, that hurts your chances of having a decent relationship. By a friendship. But you don't want that with a woman, so now you are stuck. As I said, you decide how you want to live your life. I gave you a solution. I gave you a road map to start trying and taking. You decide if you want to take it or not. You decide that. I can't make it anymore easier for you to know what to do. I told you what you need to do. But if you want to ignore it, then no offense, you have to continue "hunting" when it shouldn't be. You made reckless choices. But my advice is for you to change your ways of thinking and examine self. What do you REALLY want out of a relationship? Because it cares you barely know what you really want. You must first know THYSELF. And you have yet to really do that instead of moping and making these comments about women and you want to know why you feel ignored. A lot of these women today don't care, no. BUT if you harbor that in your heart, you make it very difficult for the right one to come into your life. They cannot come to you if you are like that, they will find another man.

[Daniela1982]

@kyleelyn199723 And you don't think the Government agenda is to turn everyone against each other so we will not see what they are doing behind their backs? For one we have the highest National Debt of any nation in the world. And it will only go higher, not lower.

[es20490446e]

@btbc92 Nearly all your guesses are wrong. That's why you never judge people.

My country isn't a Muslim country, and when I had sex with someone it was most of the time because I guessed we would be into a relationship very shortly.

But that never happened, the girls just vanished. After this happened like ten times to me I just got tired and had casual sex for a while, yeah. But then I stopped again, because it felt like nonsense.

My mistake wasn't to have casual sex. My mistake was assuming that these girls were as ethical and serious as I was, without proof of that. Hence these days I fuck with no girl till I know them very well, and they are serious by demonstration. In case of doubt I ditch them.

Yet I'm disappointed, cause the amount of people that annoy me wanting to have casual sex only is huge. I feel insulted.

[btbc92]

Firstly, I didn't judge when I didn't. I had said you came from Muslim country did you not put it all you had to do was clarify you don't come from a Muslim country. But if I remember you're using them correctly you're that guy with the beard and usually have your videos posted on here. I don't exactly know where you come from. So that is why I said what I said.

Know your mistake was all those things. Your mistakes was you assuming that having casual sex with how you get a relationship and your mistake was having casual sex when you can not handle it be responsible let alone accountable for your decisions. Those were your sexual decisions and it didn't matter if the girls were bad or they were still at the end of the day your decisions. You knew what you was getting into when you made those decisions. Especially if you was taught to wait until marriage to have sex so if you chose to forgo that for something cheap and easy to get then look at what you chose to do. You made those decisions you cannot blame these girls for Vanishing when they already knew what the intent was the intent was just to use you for sex and it wasn't looking for anything else. That's what you did so how can you expect them to want anything more? It's not that you assume it's just that you lack common sense.

[btbc92]

Again, you attracted these females and these girls for a reason because again you wanted something sexually out of them also and you don't want to be accountable for the sexual experiences. You don't want to be responsible for how you truly feel and what you truly want. You're just hiding behind a relationship so you won't have to be judged for what you really want it because of a relationship is what you truly wanted that no matter what you felt was easier at the time you wouldn't have risked it if it was that important to you.

[es20490446e]

@btbc92 Sorry, I have been treating you badly for no reason. My apologies.

[btbc92]

@es20490446e I accept the apology. You need to be easy on yourself, forgive yourself and just let that all go.

[es20490446e]

@btbc92 Thanks. Have a nice day.

[DWornock]

There are no inalienable rights except the right to kill your oppressor.

[Likes2drive]

Who knows how they interpret it, seems they just amend it

[Anonymous]

Dictatorship. Dip shit Biden is deciding the country more and more, everyday.

[Anonymous]

Other vaccines are already mandatory for participation for school. There is nothing unconstitutional about it. Get over it

[Pterodon]

Coming from the president yes however states and businesses can

[jimmy2]

Yes the Federal Government can not go past the States control

[Gwenhwyfar]

I don’t think it is but it’s an arguable position

[Sabretooth]

this was argued back in 1905.

[Gwenhwyfar]

@Sabretooth thanks. I didn’t know the exact date. Did the court rule against them? Was it the Supreme Court or a lower court?

[Sabretooth]

supreme court. it was ruled for.

[Gwenhwyfar]

@Sabretooth so the Supreme Court agreed that vaccine mandates were constitutional? That’s stare decisis unless the court overrules it or the facts can be distinguished.

[Sabretooth]

www.newschannel5.com/.../attorney-mask-mandates-are-constitutional

[Gwenhwyfar]

@Sabretooth thanks

[Sabretooth]

no problem.

[Anonymous]

they can try to force it

but some people will end their lives

[Guardian45]

Nope. Vaccination is a free choice. So is death.

[Daniela1982]

@guardian45 You can get a vaccination and walk out the door and be shot too in this day and age. No one knows the long term effects of the vaccine. Any more than they did asbestos or Round Up weed killer or 100 other products or drugs.

[KrakenAttackin]

Agreed, fuck this President.

[eagle1951]

he is overstepping for sure

[JesseJayNeak]

Yes, it is unconstitutional

[Anonymous]

Hold out ivermectin is about to be passed.

[Anonymous]

Biden shourd move back to China whele he berongs!

[postaldudePL123]

Yes, it is.

[Anonymous]

No lmaoo