Does the current vaccine mandate in the US violates bodily autonomy?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I would say it doesn't because it's not like someone is going to come into your house and inject you with the vaccine. Now I know you're going to ask why don't people just get the vaccine if they are effective? The problem is that if you don't get vaccinated, it is easier for the virus to infect you and that give it more opportunities to mutate into a form that the vaccine is less effective against. So while the current vaccine mandate doesn't force people to get the vaccine, it does limit how much those who don't get it participate in society (and thus contract the virus) so it's a good middle ground that satisfies both parties; no one is forced to get the vaccine but they also don't make the vaccine obsolete. And given that a lot of the people who are opposing the vaccine said that "if the vulnerable are afraid of the virus they can just stay home", well if they're afraid of the vaccine then they 'can'' do the same; and these COVID down-players will get a taste of their interpretation of "American freedom".

Oh oh, you're using a video about vaccines made by a liberal you partisan hack!

OK here's one made by someone on the right explaining why getting vaccines isn't just a personal choice:

Yes

No

[Dragonpurple]

I got the vaccine in the spring, I'm not anti against it but I know two classes of people who have not taken the vaccine yet.

The first group wants to take it but is waiting for the legal immunities to expire first.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

The second group was about to go get it, voluntarily until Biden did the order to force it. Now they are refusing but state they are doing it in the name of freedom.

I've always been a fan of the last thing we ever want to do is make more criminals, but that is what this mandate will do. If people quit or get fired over refusing it. They will turn to crime to live.

This is one of the reasons crime went up last year so much, people losing jobs when the lockdown hit.

This next round of crime, will be created by Biden but the main stream media likely won't focus on it much.

The best way to lower crime is to make sure as many people are employed and working.

I live in a state that didn't really take lock down serious in the first place and have acted like the Delta Variant is no big deal and ready to go back to the status quo no matter what happens. I really wish they had taken it more serious.

I wish Biden would remove the legal protections against suing for severe side effects to help get more people vaccinated and I hope that his legal mumbo jumbo trying to force people ends up being proven unconstitutional in the court of law.

I think he should of done the carrot approach, rather than the stick. Offering people who already got the vaccine or will some money, few hundred dollars or so.

Even vaccinate proof will just lead to massive fraud market, my card only has my name and the batch number. The doctor giving me the shot, had me fill it out and had a stack of cards pre-signed on his desk. Someone could of stolen them easy enough, if there was a market for them... put in random numbers of batches. Not like going somewhere that requires proof is going to verify that is a real batch number.

[jshm2]

Or to put it more succinctly:

Americans may have a "right" to talk shit in public, under "freedom of speech". They do not have the "right" to infect others, with that spittle flying around ; while in the act.

Wear masks, get vaccinated if you can.

[doe9de]

I'm mean the vaccine mandate really doesn't do anything for anyone who actually cares enough to disobey it. You can literally counterfeit a vaccination card. It's not hard to do. I'm I saying I have no but I'm not saying I haven't so ill leave that to you.

[Wester1967]

As part of your flea dumb, you don’t get to murder other people because it’s inconvenient for you not to. You’re describing isiah Berlin’s negative freedom. Like mommy why are you oppressing me by not buying me a lollipop and not letting me set this living kitten on fire?

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

No one's advocating murder.

[MrKinktastic]

It absolutely does, though no one has proposed a better way to keep the people too delicate to vaccinate/underresponsive to the vaccine safe yet so it’s hard to say what the better move would have been.

[Likes2drive]

It’s only mandated if you work at a large company or go to school but it hasn’t been enforced yet either

[goaded]

Or for the federal government, iirc. There has been a court case about whether a company is entitled to fire someone for not getting a vaccine (without a medical reason), and the company won.

www.reuters.com/.../

[Likes2drive]

@goaded Yeah doesn’t surprise me, no job is safe and secure these days

[genuinlysensitive]

The Federal government, unless you work for the White House or Congress. Vaccine mandates are only for you peasants.

[Likes2drive]

@genuinlysensitive I’m not a peasant and my job hasn’t mandated it

[goaded]

@genuinlysensitive "Sec. 2. Mandatory Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination for Federal Employees. Each agency shall implement, to the extent consistent with applicable law, a program to require COVID-19 vaccination for all of its Federal employees, with exceptions only as required by law. The Task Force shall issue guidance within 7 days of the date of this order on agency implementation of this requirement for all agencies covered by this order."

No mention of either Congress or the White House having any exceptions.
www.whitehouse.gov/.../

[gag2021]

Yes, right to choose what you do to your own body! Personal freedom of your own health and body.

[gag2021]

What happened to freedom of choice?

[gag2021]

The vaccine doesn't stop covid transmission. Nearly 60% of those in the hospital for covid in Israel are vaccinated for covid. www.beckershospitalreview.com/.../...dy-finds.html

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

No vaccine is perfect but the more people who get vaccinated, the less infections there are and the less opportunities there are for the virus to mutate into a new strain that the vaccine is less effective against.

[OddBeMe]

Yes. But at this stage I’m for it. Times up for Covid.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Yes.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

If you don't want it, don't get it and stay home.

[disgustingweebtrash]

I will, just don't take my ability to work and purchase food, I don't really care for anything else.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

By working in a public space, you're jeopardizing public health so nope; we will protect the bodily autonomy to not get a vaccine resistant strain.

[disgustingweebtrash]

I don't really care which way you go.
It really doesn't bother me.

On one path, you are going to push people into extremism and rightfully so as medical tyranny is a justified worry.

On the other, you will be killed by the people you're trusting. And I will enjoy watching either outcome.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Inaction during a pandemic and letting people die or live trapped in their houses is already an extremist (arguably totalitarian position) so that ship has sailed.

[disgustingweebtrash]

The fact you support depriving people of freedoms because they won't take an experimental vaccine with no long term observations (3 years minimum) and claim other people are totalitarian for inaction is a wholly new level of delusion that you must be getting paid to post this

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Oh the vaccine might have long term effects? Well so does COVID-19 and unlike the vaccine, COVID has killed millions at this point and the fact that you think that the vaccine mandate is worse shows that you're just a schill for those who want to engage in disaster capitalism.

Natural disasters don't have a track record of being used as a boogey man for the rise of authoritarian regimes BUT downplaying the severity has a long history in facilitating the consolidation of private power.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Vaccine mandates and passports have very heavy implications that you cannot see, but you can experience for yourself.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Yeah, not limiting how much interactions non-vaxed people can have => less transmission of COVID-19 => Less opportunities for the virus to mutate into varieties the vaccine is ineffective against. Vaccine mandates have existed in many countries and they never lead to the rise of authoritarianism. It's easy to play Russian Roulette when the gun is pointed at someone else's head.

[disgustingweebtrash]

The digitisation of it creates a different alien all together

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

What are you talking about now?

[disgustingweebtrash]

Ngmi