The one thing women hate more than being objectified is not being objectified. Agree?

[Drewtate]

[SomothErgai]

Women love to "complain" about being objectified. They love to try and make themselves feel better than men because they hate men. They're jealous and envious of everything to do with men. So they love to bitch and complain about men constantly

But they also love not having to do a god damn thing and realize the only way to do that is by having a man. What they are to fucking stupid to understand is that being cunts to men nonstop makes them want nothing to do with them. They don't care when they're young because they're too dumb to realize they will not be desirable forever.

So they bitch at and belittle men for years and years until they realize they're no longer hot enough for men to want them anymore and by that point it's too late. Any man that would have wanted them despite their fading looks won't go near them because of their toxic hatred of men. And the men that don't care about their personality no longer want them because they're old and useless.

They are the architects of their own misery and as such they can wallow in the beds they've made for themselves

[Drewtate]

I agree.

[CrabCakes11]

lol someone hasn’t gotten their dick wet

[SomothErgai]

@CrabCakes11 a hyuck a hyuck. Typical response. You have nothing to say of value so you make the most pathetic and predictable insult imaginable. "Hur dur he said some real ass shit about certain types of women, better say he must not get any pussy hurr durr"

Yeah, my wife and 2 kids might beg to differ with you there little lady.

Cope harder

[Rangers]

I'd agree, most of the girls who cry about being stared at in gyms have Onlyfans accounts.

So the old saying about harassment vs flirting is whether they find him attractive isn't true for them. The difference between creepy and flirting is whether they pay her. Entitled, insufferable b! tches🙄

[Rangers]

I have a girlfriend, so no. I'm not involuntarily celibate, because I'm not celibate

[wiltingrosepetal]

Women want to look hot and feel hot. It makes us feel good, in control of our lives, and feminine.

Compare how you would react if you called out to your dog and he jumped up on you, to having a dog you don't know, completely unprompted, doing the same thing. This isn't to say that men are dogs, obviously, but it explains a bit of the thought process.

[CrabCakes11]

Women don’t enjoy being objectified. Women do often like displaying their sexuality on their own terms. There is a difference

[Drewtate]

🤣🤣🤣

[sudoers]

Cope

[Serkee]

This is hard for me to understand. How do we show interest and appreciate your display of sexuality without "objectifying" you? To me, (and most guys) it seems like the only difference between objectifying and showing interest is whether or not you find us attractive as well. If that's not the case could you explain it to me? I'm pretty scared of approaching women or showing any sort of interest, because I don't want to seem like a creep or make them uncomfortable. So what should I do to not seem that way?

[CrabCakes11]

@Serkee If a woman is showing off her sexuality, it doesn’t particularly mean she wants sexual attention. As long as you don’t do or say things that treat her like an object, you should be fine. For example, if you approach a woman wearing a short skirt at the library, she probably won’t appreciate it too much. At the club is a different story. If you approach women nicely and they aren’t interested, they won’t think of you as a creep as long as you’re being respectful

[Serkee]

What does "treating her like an object" even mean? Of course I get that making sexual remarks at women in the library isn't okay, but what's wrong with approaching them or asking for their number there? That used to be completely normal. Are clubs and dating apps really the only acceptable places to flirt now? What if someone doesn't go clubbing or use dating apps? Do they have to wait for a woman to approach them? Because that's just not realistic.

[rebeliouse]

but they complain when the sexuality gets taken notice of i just dont get it @crabcakes11

[rebeliouse]

@crabcakes11
so if i see a woman wearing a short skirt at the library i can't go looking for a book down that isle till she has moved to another one?

[CrabCakes11]

@Serkee If you treat a woman like something to be used or like she doesn’t have autonomy, you’re objectifying her. Most women at the library do not want to be approached because you think they’re attractive. Unless you’re having some sort of interaction with her. For example, disturbing some random lady’s reading to ask for her number is rude. Having a naturally occurring conversation that involved you asking for her number is fine. You can flirt with people in other situations, assuming they are social settings. The library is not one of them.

[CrabCakes11]

@rebeliouse literally nobody said that. If you can’t be in the same aisle (not isle) with a woman wearing a skirt without harassing her, then yes, wait until she leaves. If you can be a normal person then go ahead and loon for the book.

[CrabCakes11]

@rebeliouse How?

[rebeliouse]

@crabcakes11
how can you show your attraction to her with out it been taken as harrassing?

[CrabCakes11]

@rebeliouse What’s the context? Is she a random woman in public wearing a crop top? Leave her alone. Is she in a setting that makes flirting with her appropriate? If so flirt with her normally

[rebeliouse]

what setting makes flirting appropriate? @crabcakes11

[CrabCakes11]

@rebeliouse Clubs, bars, pool halls, dance floors, basically anywhere that is meant for social interaction. Places like the park, martial arts facilities, and pool are okay, but expect to be rejected more. Leave women alone at the gym, library, and public transportation unless a conversation naturally occurs. If you need any specific advice feel free to DM me

[rebeliouse]

@crabcakes11
what if the girl comes over to me in a gym library public transport and speaks with me am i supposed to say sorry i can't else i will be objectifying you as its not a club bar pool hall etc?

[rebeliouse]

can't dm u your not follwoing me

[Sabretooth]

that's nonsense! that's like buying a flashy car and not wanting to be viewed as flashy.

[TheorionMage]

Therein lays the social & psychological paradox.
EVERY human desires to be viewed among those 'desirable', ... to be part of the "in" crowd, ... to MERIT 'courtship', ... prestige among the troupe. The phenomena is humanly hierarchical. No one espouses to be the 'lowest'/LEAST desired/ignored.

But only YOU can judge if BEING 'worthy' to MERIT such status is worth YOUR effort and if social 'reward' MERITS your effort. 'Wisdom' for the pain (effort).

MOST negotiate how malleable their appearance and behaviors are WORTH in their particular environment~

[DishLady]

Disagree. Surprisingly, a good percentage of women aren’t contrary or hypocritical lunatics…. But we can say the same about guys too. Don’t judge the entire species by it’s weakest links.

[handsomelad70]

I don't have much bass in my voice and am bald, but I'm broad-shouldered, muscular and (at 70) boyishly handsome !!!

[Anonymous]

No, they just hate being objectified by hideous men.
You probably are hideous/ mediocre. Testosterone deficient. No base in your voice. Losing hair. No muscle. Shoulders aren’t broad, etc.

[Opinion Owner]

@drewtate

[abelisk]

Some like it, some don't. I think that' pretty simple to understand. Everyone is horny here and there. There is no universal rule, all woman/humans underlie. But I think no one likes to be catcalled at night for example. Most man are socially not very smart and can't distinguish.

[MemeSupreme]

so that's why i wear baggy clothes and don't like showing skin

bc i hate not being objectified... makes sense

[Apple1996]

I've never seen a woman objectify herself besides maybe online like OF/porn and that is usually in the case of needing money.

[abelisk]

There are a lot of women who like to show off on social media and real life. But I wouldn't label it as objectifiying, in that sense you are right, this extreme thing only do p0rn/of influencers.

[Apple1996]

@abelisk showing off isn't really the same. It could be for fashion/comfort choices. Also some of us just have bigger boobs/ass so it might look like showing off but really nothing fits properly.

[CrabCakes11]

They aren’t objectifying themselves, they are sexualizing themselves. There is an important distinction

[abelisk]

@Apple1996
sure it just doesn't fit properly.. ;) But yeah, I get what you mean.

[rebeliouse]

@CrabCakes11 whats the difference between objectifying and sexualizing?

[CrabCakes11]

@rebeliouse Objectifying is treating someone like an object or without autonomy. Sexualizing someone is treating somebody’s appearance or behaviors as sexual

[rebeliouse]

@CrabCakes11 so how should men sexualize women if that is what women enjoy and men like women who are sexual?

[CrabCakes11]

@rebeliouse Don’t sexualize her, let her do it herself

[rebeliouse]

@CrabCakes11 so whats the men supposed to do around a sexualised woman

[CrabCakes11]

@rebeliouse Again, it depends. Are you at the bar/club/situation it would be acceptable to hit on her? Then you can hit on her. If you’re not, leave her alone, she just feels confident in showing off her body

[rebeliouse]

@CrabCakes11 so your ok to hit on a girl in a bar club but insn't that just objectifying her

[CrabCakes11]

@rebeliouse You’re only objectifying her if you are treating her like an object to get sex out of. If you see a pretty woman at a bar, you can go up to her and flirt with her. If you see a pretty woman at a bar, you shouldn’t immediately start mentioning her boobs and how you want to have sex with her

[rebeliouse]

@CrabCakes11 but human nature is that guys usually want sex with a female and most of the time girls want sex with males too so does that mean women objectify men too

[CrabCakes11]

@rebeliouse Women don’t objectify men as much as men do women. I don’t think you understand what objectify means

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Wow, them bums are something with Yoga Pants?

[In_Trance]

Absolutely agree

[IceCreamSandwich]

Do you maybe some women don't like it, and some women do like it, and some women change their minds?

[handsomelad70]

Yes, because though the ladies may not love us lads' gazes at their boobs, butt, legs, hair, etc., they realize that when their beauty begins to fade , they start losing their partner desirability.

[AviatorTom]

Well, considering those are the two possible opposite choices, Boolean logic says that I must agree.

[CriticalCatDad123]

The hate being objectified unless they’re making money off of being objectified than somehow it’s not a bad thing anymore.

[CrabCakes11]

Yes? Is that a problem? People like going to work, they don’t like being slaves

[bingbongbangbung]

@CrabCakes11 tell me you're a hypocrite without telling me

[CrabCakes11]

@bingbongbangbung Lol whay

[CrabCakes11]

*what

[GoGetitGio]

This is true women objectify and sexualize themselves

[Babygirl_S]

When you objectify a person you don't care about their feelings which I'm pretty sure no one wants.

[DextroShade]

The women who complain about the "male gaze" will be very upset when hit the wall and men aren't looking anymore.

[dustybiker2]

You sound bitter. Let it go man.

[KrakenAttackin]

Modern women have little more than sex to offer, so this is predictable.

[CrabCakes11]

What do you have to offer?

[KrakenAttackin]

@CrabCakes11 Are you kidding? Men don't have a chance with women unless they are able to provide quite a bit of resources, status, attention, and everything else she demands because she is a "Queen".

[CrabCakes11]

Didn’t answer my question. What do you bring to the table?

[KrakenAttackin]

@CrabCakes11 I bring as much or as little as I want.

[CrabCakes11]

Sounds like you’re worthless

[KrakenAttackin]

@CrabCakes11 Yeah, I don't have a cootchie, so I have to earn my value.

[CrabCakes11]

Well, get to it because you seem pretty worthless rn

[KrakenAttackin]

@CrabCakes11 ****yawn***.

[XXblack88]

🤔 sounds like a liberal woman thing to me

[HappyWoman34]

Disagree.

[Juxtapose]

It's sad actually.

[Charliefretz329]

Women only want attention from guys they like.