WHY didn’t Alec Baldwin first check the chamber of a weapon handed to him and why did he aim it at a person and pull the trigger?

[Pterodon]

Don’t liberal democrats know or understand gun safety at all? The NRA and conservative gun owners know and preach these practices all the time.

[rcljr]

I’ve been shooting since I was 5 years old, that’s pretty much rule number one. When someone hands you a firearm you check to see if it’s loaded or not, round in the chamber or not and what type ammo. There’s no sense shooting at paper targets with armor piercing ammo, no sense shooting long range with hollow points, etc. the armored on that movie set may have fucked up, or may have done it on purpose, regardless responsibility rests with the one that squeezes the trigger. Just because he’s a mouthy shit bag leftist actor does not alleviate his guilt in this incident. AND Hollywood has long had the policy of not pointing prop guns loaded with blanks directly at fellow actors, due to previous accidents. The cameramen adjust the camera angle to make it LOOK like the gun is aimed at the person… regardless of all that, why in the fuck did that retard Baldwin have a prop gun pointed at the film director, unless he knew it was going to wound or kill?

[Pterodon]

It was not a prop gun. Prop guns cannot fire real ammo. It was a real gun and I agree with everything you said. If you’ll read below how many don’t think it was Baldwins fault

[Redstang88]

Stupidity and ignorance. I knew better than to do that when I was 8

[Anonymous]

Like when Dick Cheney accidentally shot his hunting partner? How many conservative red necks accidentally discharge their weapons at shooting ranges or while hunting each year? I don’t think conservatives have the market cornered on gun safety. Careless is careless regardless of political opinions.

[Pterodon]

Once again deflecting. Cheney didn’t deliberately point a gun directly at a person nor did he kill did he? All conservative rednecks involved in gun accidents are invested and in some cases punished. In this case New Mexico has an unintentional manslaughter law that means you can be charged a crime if your carelessness causes another’s death which is this case

[Opinion Owner]

I’m not saying Baldwin shouldn’t face consequences. I’m saying the rosy fairy tale you’re spinning that all conservative gun owners know how to handle a firearm properly is a complete farce.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Anon: Exactly my point. Most legal gun owners in the U. S. are conservatives at least 51% of them which means a lot of conservatives make a lot of gun mistakes and accidentally shot someone.

If Cheney was a liberal and accidentally shot his buddy if would have a totally different narrative to attack liberals, but since Cheney is a conservative he calls it deflecting. Lol

Gotta fair man.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

*he would

[WowwGirl]

They don't know how to work guns. Like us at 4

[Pterodon]

Yet they want to criticize us over constitutional carry. Go figure

[WowwGirl]

Disgusting. Idiots

[WowwGirl]

Have you noticed they use 3 safetys... And the gun still jams usually

[WowwGirl]

I haven't used a safety since the 90s

[Pterodon]

This was 100% preventable had basic conservative firearms safety been in place

[Pterodon]

The gun he used was a revolver. They can’t be simpler to check a chamber

[WowwGirl]

No way revolver?😳
I don't know what to say

[WowwGirl]

Hopefully a double action

[BrosephBrostar]

@WowwGirl Apparently it was a Colt Navy. What I want to know is was it converted to smokeless or not.

[WowwGirl]

@BrosephBrostar sad put weak

[WowwGirl]

But.

[OlderAndWiser]

We do not know all of the facts and, based on Alec Baldwin's open, vitriolic disdain for Trump and his portrayal of Trump on SNL, it is unlikely that the MSM will ever tell us all of the facts it the truth is incriminating for Baldwin.

[Anonymous]

Whether or not he's legally culpable, checking the firearm you're about to handle yourself is just the responsible thing to do. He's a producer, he's got a lot of experience with firearms on sets, there had already been misfires on the set, so he definitely should have been much more careful. Though I have to wonder if it's sabotage, the crew are saying that their treatment on set was awful, so maybe someone slipped a real round into the gun. Normally their are rules about actual bullets being anywhere near prop guns, they shouldn't be anywhere near the set as a matter of policy, so how one ends up in a gun use on screen is super crazy.

[Razp_Sorbet]

His job is to act, there are other people who are supposed to do the checks. He was told he was handeling a "cold gun" he was practicing his scene and aimed the gun at the camera which I imagine is what he is supposed to do for the scene.

[Pterodon]

No no no. Basic gun safety is you don’t take ANYONES word a gun is safe nor do you EVER point it at someone and pull the trigger. He and you would know this if you knew anything about gun safety

[Razp_Sorbet]

Its a prop gun. I don't think there's even supposed to be live rounds on the set. I'm not entirely sure though.

[Pterodon]

It was not a prop gun. Prop guns are plugged and disabled so they cannot function at all. This was a real gun and even if it was a prop gun Baldwin didn’t even check that did he?

[Razp_Sorbet]

Not his job to. He was told it was cold. It's a freak accident, no point playing the blame game now.

[Pterodon]

That’s what you’re not understanding. Once it’s in your hands you accept ALL responsibility. If he had been familiar with gun safety this wouldn’t have happened

[Pterodon]

When you’re handed a gun we gun people don’t trust anyone that it’s safe. We always check it ourselves and we never ever point it at a person and pull the trigger

[Razp_Sorbet]

You obviously don't understand how movie making works...

[Pterodon]

You obviously don’t understand gun safety or taking responsibility. This was 100% preventable had Baldwin exercised or knew basic gun safety

[Razp_Sorbet]

Also preventable had the prop team done safety checks.

[Pterodon]

It isn’t about the prop team. This is real life. If you borrowed a friends car and you’re pulled over for speeding and they find cocaine in the car guess who’s responsible. You are because you took possession. The same with a gun.

[Razp_Sorbet]

That's not even true... Only if you can't/refuse to prove the drugs aren't yours would you be charged.

[Pterodon]

Yes it is true. You took possession of the car that makes you responsible for it and all that’s in it. The same with a gun. You’re also not wanting to address the basic firearms safety that he disregarded

[Razp_Sorbet]

"Generally, a weapons master or armourer oversees all weapons that are used on a production. This can mean anything from selecting the correct items for a certain period in history, to taking care of the weapons on set and making sure they are being used safely and properly by actors and stuntpeople. It's a fairly new position in the history of film production, going back only to the 1980s. Before that, the prop master handled everything. Recently, it's become more common to enlist specialists"

"The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors' Equity Association's guidelines state that, "Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired offstage, and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside." Further, "All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armourer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision.""

[Pterodon]

But that isn’t law. That’s only movie set protocol. It isn’t law

[Razp_Sorbet]

The whole thing went against protocol. There were live rounds on set which isn't allowed, the firearms specialist wasn't the one who handed him the gun. Honestly the more info that comes out the bigger the mess is. A judge will decide what happens.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You can't blame him for that. I'm sure Alec Baldwin shot many fake guns in movies before and nothing ever happened.

What happened is totally a freak accident that hardly ever happens and the people responsible for it are the people hired that screwed up..

Guns experts are hired on set for the sole reason to make sure everything is ready to go and safe, not the actor.

[Pterodon]

No no no. ANYTIME YOU ARE HANDED A WEAPON IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CHECK THE CHAMBER NO MATTER WHAT AND YOU NEVER NEVER NEVER AIM AT A PERSON AND PULL THE TRIGGER. If you were a conservative gun owner these things would be ingrained. This was 100% preventable if conservative gun practices had been in place

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Gosh you make my head wanna explode. Conservatives make gun mistakes as well. Humans make mistakes. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative but rather the people who are hired specifically to hand over a prop gun for safety.

As I said Hollywood actors and actresses fire prop guns all the time filming movies and TV shows and nothing happens except for a careless fluke.

[Pterodon]

This was not a prop gun. Prop guns are plugged and cannot fire anything. This was a real gun. If I hand you a gun and I tell you it’s safe and you don’t check it yourself then you point it at someone and pull the trigger and someone dies it you that pulled the trigger responsible

[Pterodon]

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[Pterodon]

Baldwin being a liberal anti gun nut knew nothing of basic firearms safety and a woman died as a result

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Point is humans have mental laspes and make mistakes. You cut finger with a knife, forget to lock your door or window, miscalculated the trigger push and the gun fires and kills someone etc etc.

Gun mistakes happen daily around the world because humans are prone to careless mistakes.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

*trigger pressure

[Pterodon]

Difference is if a child had been shot by a conservative actor there would be outrage

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Well obviously because it's a child. A adult was killed and people are covering the news.

You can't live your normal life constantly obsessed with liberals and conservatives. Turn off the conservative radio and TV. Ish is driving you crazy.

[Pterodon]

I can say the same about you and CNN. So a child’s life is more valuable than an adult young mother?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Do you see me obsessed with liberals and conservatives or Fox News and CNN.

You think I spend my day and night worrying about conservatives? Lol... I have better things to do with my time.

[Pterodon]

I also think your dismissive cavalier attitude about this incident disturbing

[Pterodon]

Off topic but how is it we can agree on the Bible but disagree in politics?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Because your political views mostly suck. Your politics doesn't offer universal health care, maternity leave, justice and police reforms, no living decent minimum wage, doesn't care for the environment, against worker's union so that workers don't get taken advantage by the greedy, doesn't want to tax the mega rich at a much higher rate for the success of the country.

Your damn politics doesn't allow a country to progressive to higher standards and living conditions for all.

All you care about is low taxes even for mega the rich and right to bear arms. You're stuck in a damn box of the ancient world.

[Pterodon]

Well all I can say is how is your progressive administration doing thus far? The independents hat voted him in have done an abrupt about face

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

So well did your conservative administration of Bush Jr. did when 1 million people a month were losing their jobs and got us into a 2 decade B. S. war with Iraq under the guise they had weapons of mass destruction B. S. which was a damn lie to justifying going into that country.

[Pterodon]

Talk about lies? Remember Clinton shaking his finger at us saying he did not have sex with that woman yet you badmouth how bad a person Trump is? What about biden telling us the border is secure or the Afghanistan withdrawal was a success or the supply chain crisis proves he’s doing a good job or inflation is short term

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

We can go back and forth about all the bad things U. S. presidents did. Every administration did something wrong along the way in a 4 year to 8 period.

[jshm2]

You're not the brightest, are you pumpkin?

You seem the sort of dipshit that would take a bite out every meal he serves at McDonalds to "first check it meets standards!"

Alec was onsite, in a movie scene, doing the thing.

[Pterodon]

But he ignored all gun safety laws and a person died. Haven’t you ever seen the US Marines, the most professional of gun handlers in the world, a superior asks to see an underlings weapon first the underling checks the chamber that it’s empty before he hands it to his superior then the superior checks the chamber himself before he does anything else? You’re another liberal that wants to shift the blame to someone other than the one that pulled the trigger

[Recurrence]

1. I am aware of gun safety, I’m not Alec Baldwin
2. You say “NRA and Conservatives know and preach these practices” as if none of them have fatal accidents
3. For the Manatee

[Pterodon]

This one was 100% preventable had basic gun safety been in place

[Recurrence]

That’s every gun accident basically

[Pterodon]

Yes it is. Stop shifting the blame. It is squarely on Baldwin. He did not check the chamber plus he aimed at a person AND pulled the trigger. Any responsible gun owner knows these do’s and don’ts. Want to still consider us conservatives with our guns dangerous?

[Recurrence]

Yeah, cuz there’s gun accidents every day

[Pterodon]

So no one should be held accountable?

[Recurrence]

Every person should be held accountable.

[Pterodon]

In this case should Baldwin since he did not check the chamber himself, aimed at a person and pulled the trigger?

[loveslongnails]

Really? So you're turn this into a political shooting? What the fuck. Ok, hmmm... no right-wing Conservative has EVER been involved in an accidental shooting of ANY kind, because they're ALL members of the NRA. Like when Cheney shot someone in the face. Ok good. Thanks for clearing that up. Idiot.

[f_ckjoebiden]

This is why it's political and people are pissed off at Alec. “I Wonder How it Must Feel to Wrongfully Kill Someone” – Alec Baldwin’s 2017 Tweet Attacking a Cop Comes Back to Haunt Him

[f_ckjoebiden]

Idiot.

[Pterodon]

@f_ckjoebiden thank you 🙏

[Pterodon]

You failed to answer the question

[Pterodon]

You want to make school teachings political so. . .

[BrosephBrostar]

I'm just wondering how long it's going to take until there are reports of sightings of a bald guy with a bar code tattoo around the set.

[Anonymous]

Like politics had anything to do with it. It's the job of the prop personnel to make sure the equipment is safe.

[Pterodon]

No it isn't. Once someone hands you a gun you’re the one responsible period

[Opinion Owner]

it's a movie set not a war zone and actors, directors, and all production staff are expected to be given safe props and equipment from the personnel hired to handle that stuff, especially guns.

if any charges are filed it will be some kind of negligence charge against prop personnel, not baldwin.

[Pterodon]

Nope. Once it’s in your hand you’re responsible doesn’t matter how many “experts” tell you it’s safe. You anti gun liberals don’t understand this simple fact about gun safety do you? We gun people know you don’t trust ANYONES word it’s safe. We gun people ALWAYS check it ourselves. We gun people NEVER POINT IT AT A PERSON AND PULL THE TRIGGER. He’s an anti gun liberal and he didn’t know these things and he killed a person because of his ignorance. Let’s look at this in another way. You borrow a friends car. You’re pulled over for speeding. They find drugs. Well guess who’s responsible? You are because you’re the driver. Baldwin is responsible because he pulled the trigger

[Opinion Owner]

The courts will have the final say. if baldwin is legally responsible, he'll be charged. so how much you wanna bet he won't be charged?

[Pterodon]

Well in New Mexico they have a 3rd degree manslaughter law which means you can be charged a crime if your carelessness causes a death. He was clearly careless especially not checking the chamber himself, pointing it directly at a person and pulling the trigger. So we’ll see

[Anonymous]

He should burn in hell and prison. Stupid Irish cunt

[anylolone]

Chamber? The whole drum was his responsibility.

[Nachowedgie]

Because that's the job of prop handlers on set

[Pterodon]

No it isn’t. It is the person holding the gun to first check the gun is safe period. We gun owners know to check the chamber ourselves even if 100 people before us says it’s safe. You’re an idiot

[Nachowedgie]

He's not a gun owner, infact he's anti gun ownership, you're an idiot

[Pterodon]

You’re right he is anti gun which means he knows nothing of gun safety and yes if the gun is in your hand you are considered the owner. Check your laws. You’re another liberal idiot

[Pterodon]

This was 100% preventable if basic gun safety had been used but he’s an anti gun liberal that knows nothing and his ignorance killed a woman

[Nachowedgie]

"You’re right he is anti gun which means he knows nothing of gun safety"

"and yes if the gun is in your hand you are considered the owner"

Uh no you're not.

"Check your laws"

Guns are illegal in Ireland other than hunting rifles/shotguns for hunting game which you need a license for.

"You’re another liberal idiot"

I'm actually Irish and a Conservative sooo

[Nachowedgie]

"This was 100% preventable if basic gun safety had been used but he’s an anti gun liberal that knows nothing and his ignorance killed a woman"

The prop handler not doing their job killed the woman, a lot of crew had walked out the day before over basic gun safety issues

[Pterodon]

So you’re in Ireland? Then fuck off

[Pterodon]

We’re not talking Irish laws mick. We’re talking American laws which is where this happened

[Nachowedgie]

"So you’re in Ireland? Then fuck off"

No thanks :)

"We’re not talking Irish laws mick. We’re talking American laws which is where this happened"

I wasn't talking Irish laws yank :3

[Pterodon]

No if I hand a gun to you and tell you it’s safe and you don’t check it yourself to see it’s safe then point it at a person, pull the trigger and someone dies it’s you that pulled the trigger responsible

[Nachowedgie]

Except you're not a professional so why would I trust you and take your word for it xD

[Pterodon]

Conservative gun owners know these do’s and don’ts. Baldwin being an anti gun liberal knows nothing of proper firearms safety and a person died as a result