Woke is a Dangerous Religious Cult?

[hahahmm]

“The religion is not wokeness. I’m not talking about being a leftist. That’s not a religion. I’m talking about woke people who are mean. I’m talking about woke people who are coming over the hill with pitchforks trying to hurt people because they think that that’s necessary for creating a better world… it rules not through consensus, not through genuine persuasion but through fear…”

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[Oigit]

It's a tribe and part of a large uptick of tribalism has going on for several years now. It's gone past the point where many people are not able to see what is happening. Tribes on both sides are trying to win by taking extreme measures to beat the other. Politics is also a great example of this as well. The right an left are resorting to extreme measures to beat each other. But there are no winners in the end. Because everyone will have to deal with the fallout that the extreme measures both sides took in a effort to win.

[hahahmm]

I totally agree that Wokeness is not the only religious cult/tribalism happening. Anytime people stop thinking for themselves it's not a good thing. But I guess it's easier for people to pick a side and blindly believe everything that side preaches. Myself... I favor things that promote the longterm health of society & civilization over experiments but I'll consider facts that go against my ideas too. Often I find that people are focused on symptoms 2 or 3 out of 20 to some problem and they don't even understand the real problem at all.

[Oigit]

Yes and people will end up focused on the rest of the 20 issues they are skipping over. When they have become so bad they are forced to focus on them. It's like a building with a crumbling foundation. The cracks in the walls and other issues are simply symptoms of a much bigger issue. Do you really want to focus on them tell the building is standing sideways? Or are you going to wait tell the building collapses due to the foundation crumbling?

[MCheetah]

Yeppers.

Gina Carano even pointed this out, and ironically got Canceled for it (or at least, they attempted to).

[OlderAndWiser]

I don't want to apply the label of "religion" to something as mean and intolerant as the woke culture.

[Wraith_Cemetery]

It doesn't actually qualify as a Religious Cult nor Non-Religious Cult but it definitely comes close. One of the qualities of a cult is "The group has a polarized, us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society". This is true with the "Woke" and "SJW" nonsense. They hate everyone except people that think the same way as them and are volatile to anyone else. They even believe in ideas that conflict with science, history, and sociology.

Another quality for a cult is "Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members." This one is also true. People that live by this ideology only befriend others who are part of that ideology. If you have the "wrong opinions" then they don't want anything to do with you.

The "woke" don't really have any other characteristics that cults have though. But, it definitely is a dangerous ideology that won't stop till the whole entire world crumbles and they're the only ones left standing.

[Wester1967]

John McWhorter is a shameless republican. He knows how to get paid from Mr Charlie. Problem with "Woke" , and McWhorter, who is a linguist, ought to know this. "Woke" was a word on the left from maybe 2013. I remember getting a lot a information about being woke from a black trans biology student around 2012-2013. If you're on the left, and OP obviously is not, nobody over there even uses the term woke anymore. No. "Woke" is now a new word for the political right. It's equivalent to "poo poo ka ka". In fact, it's reached ridiculous proportions on the right. As soon as Tucker Fartleson uses a word, it might as well be dead.

OK... wow. Poo Poo Ka Ka is now a religion? Wow. What analysis level is this? Wait wait... Venezuela / Socializm / Comyunizm is poo poo ka ka too.

I'm a lingusit bro. McWhorter did good work in the field. But politically, he's a dork. Ask him and he'll even tell you what a dork he is. You got to act such when you are melanated and working at Uncle Charlie's Colombia University.

Please guys on the right. Come up with something better than anti commie poo poo talk that might as well be copied and pasted from the McCarthyite 1950s.

[hahahmm]

He defined what he meant. I don't think he claimed that liberals call themselves "woke". I provided the quote under the video so people wouldn't have to listen to the whole video if they didn't want to. The superimposed title on the youtube video image is misleading tho.

[jshm2]

Don't talk shit. There is no such thing as "woke" it's just a new misnomer to demonise others. Mainly used by those who are losing power and influence, to claim some conspiracy against traditional values, and deflect from their own pearl clutching.

These are the same dipshits who claimed ending slavery would be a "bad" thing. Or ending colonialism, giving women rights etc etc would lead to social unrest and moral panics.

It's the same tired rhetoric, just in a different box. Go into any old library and read newspapers of 50-60 years ago and you'll read the same sort of pattern of allegedly "woke" people trying to subvert society.

[t-8900]

[Anonymous]

Yes. It's the same shit leftists have been doing for forever. Bullying and eventually killing people to bring in their idea of "utopia" which ultimately means "do what I say."

The problem is all the fucking pussies who don't tell them to fuck right off.

[Justneedtokno]

No it’s just mean having knowledge. Also people are always going to turn everything the wrong way. Woke is suppose to be have knowledge of oneself and the understanding of the world around you. Such as government, historical events, and others thing.
Others taint it with conspiracy theories.

[Manchild2018]

There is a difference. Those of us who are awake question things. Those who are woke falsely accuse someone of being racist to make others with the same mindset like them.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Manchild2018 is right.

[MCheetah]

@Justneedtokno
What you described is now called being "Redpilled," which the woke ironically thinks means "misogyny and racism."
While wokeness regardless of what it used to mean or not, now means "being a closed-minded, low intelligence, black-and-white-thinking fascist and bigot who projects all their hatred onto socially approved targets."

[Wraith_Cemetery]

@MCheetah Nailed it. Exactly! They think they're awake but what they actually are doing is becoming identical to the fascists of bygone eras. They're banning people from speaking at events, cancelling those that don't agree with them, and attempting to change history. The Fascists of WW1 and WW2 did the same thing.

[Justneedtokno]

@Manchild2018 I said conspiracy theories. That covers the whole notion that everyone could be a racist. Thinking that the entire government is attacking

[Justneedtokno]

@MCheetah Actually what I described is the actual meaning for being woke understanding of oneself and understanding of the world around you basically sociology

[Justneedtokno]

@MCheetah and look what you just stated close minded and having low intelligence. Obviously those type of people do not know themselves which makes them not woke

[Justneedtokno]

@Wraith_Cemetery Those people believe that an entire system is against them that’s the whole point or premises of some of the conspiracy theories that happens within woke culture. The real definition again is understanding self in the world around you.

[Justneedtokno]

@MCheetah And that’s the conspiracy theory. I gave you the plain and simple definition of it and you’re adding stuff that shouldn’t be. If you can’t take it plain and simple and you’re adding stuff and making it more than what it is then you’re a part of the problem

[Justneedtokno]

Think about it being woke waking up to the world that’s around you. Taking off your rose-colored glasses and understanding that everything is not meant for you.. When you understand yourself you’re able to navigate through life better. Having knowledge of the world helps you understand how you fit into the world. There’s no red pill. We’re not in a matrix world. That’s the original definition of woke anything else is this opinions and speculative things if you never understood it or been a part of it you’ll never know. People go through way more than you know

[MCheetah]

@Justneedtokno
Except it's not "the plain and simple definition" of it. That's not even how words and language works. Words and language changes and evolves, all the time. Feminists do this all the time with the "check the dictionary of what a feminist means" BS, even though actions speak louder than words. (The dictionary isn't even a "master authority" on language; it's *descriptive,* not prescriptive, meaning it only describes how people use words, not that the "correct/incorrect" usage is. So feminists are once again wrong about something; no real surprise there. Not that I'm calling YOU a feminist, here.)

I suspect what USED to be your definition of "woke," has long since been outdated, just like the "alt-right" back in 2014 used to mean "young, open-minded Conservative" before the white nationalists co-opted it, and "queer" used to be a pejorative for homosexuals, before they reclaimed the word to have a more positive meaning.

[MCheetah]

not *what the "correct/incorrect" usage is

[Justneedtokno]

@MCheetah Marian Webster dictionary States
aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
But we will only succeed if we reject the growing pressure to retreat into cynicism and hopelessness. … We have a moral obligation to "stay woke," take a stand and be active; challenging injustices and racism in our communities and fighting hatred and discrimination wherever it rises.

[normalice]

Yeah i suspect a lot of the over-the-top stuff on then left is actually pushed by online trolls who are secretly right wingers trying to make then left look over the top..

[hahahmm]

That would be easy to prove because the leaders of cancel movements would either be anonymous or found to be conservatives. I doubt that left wing mobs would follow a conservative leader into battle.

[normalice]

It wouldn't be easy to prove because leaders are notoriously reluctant to admit they, themselves, have been led..

[007kingifrit]

yes it is a religion. it operates on a metaphysical basis where teh only answer to everything is racism. it also does not require evidence. they operate on faith. they call something racist and won't give you answers.

[BrosephBrostar]

Absolutely. I've been banging the drum for a while that religions can be secular in nature. It's unfortunate how many people don't grasp that.

[exitseven]

it is npt a religion but they are all indoctrinated by the media and colleges.

[FunkyMonkee]

It sure is! And it's PACKED full of brain damaged idiots!!!

[Snakeyes7]

Far more dangerous than Q because they actually have the media, corporations and the state on their side.

[OddBeMe]

If you’re talking about the idiots on viral YouTube vids, sure. I think all that viral, popularity bullshit is a cult. The cult of “likes”.

[Razor8]

It is. Dave Chapplle is being labeled as a white supremacist by the woke mob rn. Lmao

[msc545]

Not nearly as bad as the Proud Boys and the rest of the neo-Nazi assholes

[hahahmm]

I don't approve of any group that uses threats of violence unless it's in self-defense against a violent group. As far as proud boys - what little I know about them - it sounds like they officially voted against doing violent stuff but some members went against the vote.

[msc545]

sure, so that makes it all ok I suppose?

[hahahmm]

Yeah, because when I was way younger I was involved in peaceful political activism and 100% of the time you would later find out that the one guy who kept trying to get everybody else to do violence was actually a police informant. It's been happening since long before any of us were born but a lot of people can't connect the dots.

[Jamie05rhs]

@hahahmm is right.

[msc545]

@Jamie05rhs That does not in any way mitigate the problems with the Proud Boys.

[hahahmm]

@msc545 Feel free to start a question of your own to go into detail.

[Sabretooth]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5uURbWdjz08

[Dargil]

It's not a cult but it is a destructive movement.

[Browneye57]

Lunatics I tell ya... lunatics. :)

[disgustingweebtrash]

Leftism is death worship.