Critical theories are a development upon and expansion to conflict theories, and conflict theory is one of the sociological lenses through which societies are studied.
If you want to teach kids critical race theory, then you should also tell them about its origins and more importantly, that it's a lens, a macro paradigm. You should also mention that sociology is a social science that, because its subject are groups of humans, tests and empirical evidence for scientists' claims are quite hard to come by.
I don't believe in all premises of conflict theory. I don't believe it can explain the causes for all human behavior and condition when it comes to social hierarchies and systems. I find it useful when studying power relations between different groups from a strictly materialistic (materialism in philosophical discourse) viewpoint and from a macro perspective. It can be one view among many, and explain some power relations.
But is it some kind of "ultimate theory", does it provide us with some kind of "ultimate truth"? Absolutely not. White kids can learn about it in a sociology class when they are 20. I don't see a reason why we should teach them CRT when they are kids as some kind of truth about their existence.
In any case, my kid will have private tutors and will be exposed to sociology as a whole in a different way and at an older age.
Did I imply there is? Did I use the words solution and goal anywhere in my post? I said "ultimate truth", which means treating something as axiomatic or unquestionable truth, whether it is a religion, a folk tale, historical materialism, or conclusions reached by studying societies through the particular lens of conflict theory.
To teach kids conclusions drawn from critical theories without also giving them full context, alternative ideas/perspectives, telling them what exactly they are being taught and why, which in this case is a popular paradigm in a social science which itself is subjected to questions and doubt like all other sciences, is to turn CT and its conclusions into some kind of truth like gravity, which it certainly is not.
And it wasn't my main subject, but I studied sociology in university.
In any case, I will either teach my kid about this subject in depth, or don't bother confusing him at an early age. CRT is neither "bad" nor good, neither scary nor is it unquestionable. It's a set of conclusions drawn from certain propositions to analyze society, race relations, power, crime, etc. It can be useful and it can be nonsensical. That's what my kid will learn at an appropriate age.
That's all, and I don't really like to talk about this any further. Do whatever you want with your kids.
I've no idea what it is but it seems to upset the far right quite a lot so it's probably a good thing.
congrats! you win most ignorant comment on the internet for the day. :D
@BlackAndBlueBalls Well, perhaps you can explain what CRT is then. For a very long time I thought people were talking about cathode ray tubes.
@Rachelspiks news.columbia.edu/.../what-critical-race-theory-and-why-everyone-talking-about-it-0 if my link works, you're welcome to read and try to understand this clusterfuck of an article about it. Apparently from some of the professors who were involved in the creation of it.
@BlackAndBlueBalls That article doesn't really say all that much about what it actually is.
@Rachelspiks exactly. It seems to be purposefully vague, but one idea of it is encompassing "structural racism". If you want a good example of what they're calling "structural racism, just take a look at Pete Buttigieg calling roads racist because of the way "white people built them to purposefully avoid "black/poor neighborhoods and such.
So critical race theory is basically being used to blame anything it views as a problem on "the racist white people who created that problem". Depending on who you listen to, CRT doesn't call all white people racist, but it calls all "racist problems" creations of white people.
Oh! OHhh, and in that article, it discusses how allegedly, the drugs that white people use, carry a lighter prison sentence that the drugs more commonly used by black people. I've heard this argument for years. Some say it's bs, and others still stand by it . Apparently, it's another component of CRT. So I don't think CRT has a specific, singular definition. It covers a bunch of things.
CRT is a counter analysis of laws, economies and societies where the person doing the analysis is controlling for race. The idea is to say "okay, we know that race was NOT the overarching reason society made the decisions it did, but what if it was?" CRT originated in the late 1800s and early 1900s in Frankfurt, Germany as a thought exercise that people pursuing their doctorates and post-doc research would use to debate the merits and detriments of a capitalist society.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CRT BEING TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS, we are not talking about what I just described above. Nobody is pulling 6th graders aside and presenting them with this analysis (or even making it clear that that is what's being taught). What they are doing instead is lacing the curriculum with ideas that are the products of the critical race analysis and presenting them as facts.
A good example of this is a children's book you can actually find in PA school libraries that depicts a white devil forcing innocent dark people to sign a contract of oppression. Another example (although slightly dramatized) is a math problem that reads something like "Robby drives a white car and gets 5 speeding tickets over 3 years. Jamal drives a black car and gets 10 speeding tickets over the same time. At the cost of $100 per ticket, how much more will Jamal have to pay in fines than Robby?"
It's someones theory as to why humans because as they do, in the groups they define... white and black and that blacks are "bound by social class". False, but to some, it may seem true.
It should be included in college and above... if at all... as an example of how people see things differently, seeing others perspectives, search for true meaning, and thus... think.
It is also a theory that is exposed into lower schools because society want's to do somethign to appease the "black community" aka African Americans because of the prior misdeads and traumas of people who hurt them.
we should stop talking about racism, start talking about history and how we can be better to each other, what we have in common, personality types, potential.
I think it should be a elective class in college, for those that want it... not required for anything.
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i didn't know shit about it. but i googled it a little bit and i think it's bullshit. it claims that racism is structurally embeddet in society, which as a social scientist i can only say is just false. how people behave is not "structural" to a society. and racism is an ideology that makes people behave in certain ways. racism isn't even a social system of sorts that could be autopoietic.
Typically what people observe is that different races seem to have different outcomes when it comes to social economic status. and that is definitely a fact. however people make the mistake of assuming that that society must somehow be structured in a way such that certain races have disadvantages. and the harder we look for those disadvantages, we find that it's actually not in the system but that it's actually individual behaviors that differ between cultural backrounds that then predict the better or worse outcomes. it is not in the system. it is in the people themself and their behaviors. of course it's simpler to try and fix a system but affirmative action has proven that this shit doesn't work. it's fighting symptoms. not the problem. it's a proverbial fight against windmills.
America was founded on structural racism. Profited of it of it. Then passed the wealth down to the next generations.
Everything about America is a result of its racist pass
@cjmtherfcker america was not founded on "structural racism", it was founded on the exploitation of legal slave labour. and i wouldn't say so much that this was a "race" thing. i would more say that this was a collonial thinging thing. like you win a war over a population, you get to own that popualtion and boss it around. that's how it was historically. you lose a war, sucks for you. that's not so much about "race" in my view. it would have been the exact same storry if African people happened to be white as well.
@cjmtherfcker i mean not all slave owners were racists. it was just legal to have slaves from africa. those just happened to be black. sure lots of them were racist and some may have turned racist. but that system was not structurally racist. meaning it wasn't a necessity for the structure of this system of exploitation.
What a load of bullshit
@cjmtherfcker you know white people had white slaves in history? and black people did have black slaves even in africa? this isn't a "structural racist" thing. don't call stuff bullshit, when you have no idea what you're talking about.
@cjmtherfcker racism isn't structural to the concept of slave exploitation, therefore not structural racism. was racism a catalyst`? sure. but it wasn't "structural".
Salvery in itself as a concept is not racist. American slavery was. Racist American slavery was written into the constitution not to mention all the other outright racist laws that were passed.
There are really good videos on it that can probably explain what critical race theory is way better than I can
The right-wing wants to pretend that racism wasn't so bad, isn't a modern problem and doesn't exist.
So of course they are going to have a problem with CRT.
To that end, they propagate several lies, the most important being 1) it is taught to young kids (the grades vary from liar to liar) 2) it teaches you to hate America and 3) it teaches everyone to hate white people. Black kids will hate white people and white kids will hate their parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc...
These are the main 3 lies about CRT. So if you want to find out more about CRT then more power to you - but if you just want to see the lies of the right wing exposed, you only have to fact check those 3 things.
1) to whom is CRT taught
2) does it teach hatred of America
3) does it teach hatred of white people
IF you fact check those, and realise the lies of the right-wing, you'll be in a much better position to understand what CRT is, by first knowing what it is not.
CRT is simply American history and social development policies without the historical Whitewashing.
There, that's it in a nutshell, and why you'll get every racist, bigot or uninformed White person being against it. In their mind it makes their ancestors and them look bad. But in reality it's actual history "warts and all" without the lies and rosy spectacles.
Its funny because these shitheads are usually the ones calling others "snowflakes" and calling out their "easily hurt feelings". When in fact no one is more sensitive to being put on the spot than these cretins.
CRT is critical race theory, it’s based off of the Marxist idea of critical theory except it uses race instead of class where whites people are the bourgeoisie and all other races are the proletariat. It basically teaches that white pepper have inherent privilege over all other races and we should feel guilty about being white. Because of racism in the past. Now we need to be racist toward white people in order to make up for racism of the past and Ibram X Kendi a professor at Boston university adds to that, that any system that does not result in equal outcome for all races is inherently racist. (Which is stupid because we can never achieve the same outcome as everyone else like I’ll never be as tall or as good at basketball as LeBron James which would mean using that logic that basketball is racist because not everyone can be as skilled as LeBron James )
You make these claims that are so insane. LBJ is not the medium. He’s an outlier. Go research the line of best fit and other basic algebra that are easy to grasp and improve your ability to apply logic.
@ChefPapiChulo you’re right these theories are insane but this is what the progressive wing of the Democratic Party believe and guess what they infected the rest of the elites in the party with this crap and now there trying to implement it. You try having your daughter come home at 9 and say I feel guilty because I’m white and my teacher was telling me I have inherited privilege because of it. This is white supremacy type shit but instead of being proud of white there being taught they should be ashamed. And yes LeBron James is an outlier so was Michael Jordan so is Shaquille O’Neal same with Yao Ming that’s the point, you will never have equal outcome so let people be who they want to be without democratic saying there racist for working investing and getting ahead in life this insanity is what they are teaching at school I found this out by watching my daughters zoom classes now I’m homeschooling.
Your right this is all insane buttshit but it’s being taught to our children in public schools what do you think we should do about it
i feel bad for your daughter she has a drunk and a stoner for a father. but such is life.
Delusional.
you can't argue in bad faith and then pretend to actually care LOL
stop drinking all the time and getting high.
just stop drinking and smoking. it makes you stupid.
The version of Critical Race Theory taught at my local schools seems to have lost its original purpose. It is categorizing people by color and race. I don’t think people should be categorized by their looks. I think their should be equality, fairness and justice for all. People need to be willing to stand up for others, find ways to resolve their differences, agree to disagree, make sure each child succeeds, Help others see their potential. Work with families, listen to the people and communities rather than forcing everyone to follow a political view and using biased politics and biased school boards that want to boost their ego and say they were successful before the theory has been properly reviewed by the parents and kids who are impacted the most.
It’s basically a self-identified Marxist college level theory that has been adopted by teachers as an applied principle to promote historical revisionism and racism disguised as “anti-racism” to train young people to see everything through the lens of race in an effort to tear people down and sow division. It costs a couple of bucks, but there if you are truly curious there is a very short & sweet book on Amazon by Tarl Warwick called “Critical Race Theory Debunked” that does a very good job of explaining exactly what it is, how it’s applied and how damaging it is.
prove its being taught to young people.
hahaha tim pool. don't make me laugh
i just heard Tim Pool just got tested positive for covid 19 www.thedailybeast.com/tim-pool-caught-covid-and-joe-rogan-offered-to-pay-his-medical-bills
Prove the article wrong.
Who hasn’t had Covid at this point?
nope im not taking your bait.
You asked for proof, I supplied it. Whether or not you read it is up to you.
its bogus proof from a right wing biased site...
post something from an unbiased one and we will talk
Tim Pool is as centrist and fence sitter as they come. There are no unbiased sources.
Regardless they link the actual government document if you wanted to read through all 53 pages for context.
no he's a fake centrist. he's right wing
A university-level course for law students. Until right-wingers intentionally mischaracterised it.
@Avicenna Not really, that would be the people who are calling everything to do with race in education by the name of a university level course (CRT). Then, when people use that made-up terminology for things like diversity training and history, they claim that that proves they were right all along. Why isn't your profile public? For all I know, you live in Taiwan.
If you want to continue making a fool of yourself with false claims, no one can do anything about that.
Having lived a long time in the country you claim to reside in, I am quite familiar with the ways political and business elites there guilt the indigenous population. The CRT training in the US has the same goals. And it's clearly based on the tenets of CRT (for those who would prefer to argue semantics).
www.documentcloud.org/.../21094697-att-original-source-documents
No one is under any obligation to make a profile public. And having a public profile doesn't mean you're honest in any way, including about where you live. But keep making a fool of yourself by suggesting I don't live in the US- and your credibility is already zero.
But you're free to define exactly what "diversity training" is. And why is a limited and biased version of "history" allgedly being "taught" at corporations?
The way I’ve understood it is that people really just want to teach American History in a historically accurate way. Pimple scars and all.
CRT is actually only ever taught to graduate school students in specific fields. There’s a perception that CRT in elementary/high schools (which does not currently exist anywhere) will be primarily about making White kids hate themselves or some similar nonsense. The goal is to have honest dialogue of the role of minority communities in the founding and function of the United States. Instead of just telling the Thanksgiving story and pretending everybody got along.
No one saying everybody got along.
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By not talking about the over a hundred Indian/U. S. polity wars and the mass decimation of their peoples, then people are lying through omission. Same thing if we leave out Chinese railroad worker discrimination, Japanese Internment, Jim Crowe, and similar things out of history class. Lies through omission.
The winners write history. People generally don' like to admit to their sins because it makes them look bad. I believe that happens to be the case with most people. You see that happening in China with the Communist Party. They're trying to erase the Tiananmen Square Massacre. They won't even acknowledge it. It can't be found on their Search Engines. Still, the right thing to do is teach history in a thorough and accurate way which I support. However, I don't agree with teaching theories since that's not proven to be fact. The only CRT is doing (from what I'm seeing) is causing more racism and division. I can't support this being taught in schools and won't vote for anyone who does.
@cloud9vortex1234 I was with you until you said you’re not into teaching theories. Firstly CRT is taught in non pre-graduate level courses, certainly not to anyone under 18, and you seem to misunderstand what a theory is in a scientific or academic context. A theory is a hypothesis that has been tested so many times that it is effectively scientific fact. Both gravity and evolution are theories, and there are both true beyond a doubt.
No, that's not what a theory is. You're confusing that with fact. A theory isn't true beyond a doubt. A fact is.
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www.amnh.org/.../what-is-a-theory
Read up, buttercup.
I don't have to. I already know what I know. Putting CRT in the same catagory as gravity and evolution is absurd. I don't see the point of teaching it to anyone under 18. If people really want to know about it then they can learn it once their out of High School. I personally view it as Political Indoctrination by Extreme Leftists.
Theories are made from facts. Theories themselves NEVER become facts so your wrong. I looked it up on google.
Read their work, it's just internally inconsistent racism.
One, it's a spawn of critical theory that denies reality as one of it's axioms and say everything is a powergame as one of it's axioms, and that morality doesn't exist as one of it's axioms.
Crenshaw defined critical race theory as critical theory, except is says that the only real thing is the racial animus that she felt, only what's informed by her racist feelings is real, anything else that doesn't affirm that is false.
She went insane when clarence thomas was confirmed as judge and black women celebrated because her racist thoughts told her that those women were her property and should serve her, having no individual thought, after all they were women and black, which meant they were just objects that should do what she wants.
@Mia-Wallace 's answer was really good and I can't really add on to that in a meaningful way besides to say..
Fuck CRT, being black doesn't make you a victim and being white doesn't make me a beneficiary of some invisible privilege unless I'm hanging around racist white people too much.
Are you kidding me? You are the most Karen of all libtards out there. Your telling children everything that happens in the world is racist and that they are part of the problem based on the color of their skin. No, no one needs to know this before criticizing anything that has the word "race" and "theory" together. It's beyond stupid
Critical Race Theory is the belief that America is inherently racist and that "Whiteness" (A liberal term) indicate subhuman behavior. In essence it means that any human being white than black is subhuman and not worthy of love or respect. It is a core tenant of liberal philosophy. In CRT, by being born a certain color you are inherently evil and therefore subhuman for being white.
I don't subscribe to this belief, because I believe all people are innocent until proven guilty.
The old man couldn't even answer a simple question. He doesn't know what it is, admittedly knows not much about it, won't comment on any of the specifics, but somehow he just doesn't like it, for... reasons. Or something.
Yep, a typical boomer.
From my understanding, CRT teaches white kids they should feel guilty over slavery and it teaches black kids they are perpetual victims.
Thats funny because i bet there are more black millionaires in the us than my country's population number.
Its child abuse
I am quite certain no one here knows what CRT is. I will post a Take on CRT. I tried to discuss it in the past. Drew some interest, but I don't think most folks knew what they were reading.
Have you ever heard of the Osage Indian Murders?
A perfect example of CRT.
Or Bruce's Beach?
Hidden History, who knows about the Osage Indian murders? ↗
Oh yes, I had about the flick. I referenced it in the thread. But the point is, that is classic CRT.
Liberals trying to indoctrinate more children. That is a big problem with the education system, indoctrination instead of teaching.
maybe YOU don't know anything about it, but it's wrong for you to assume that parents of children being taught this racist bullshit haven't done their research to find out exactly what it is and why it's not something that should be taught to their children.
From my understanding CRT is like a lenses through which people see the would around themselves. The accumulation of your life experiences effect the way you interpret information.
If it's not being taught, then who cares if it's banned?
The problem with CRT is CTR. This shit is going to increase racial tensions and divide people even more , because it teaches everyone to judge others by race and as individuals.
In a weird way the white people who are pushing this are the very people who are low key racist and projecting themselves unto other people.
I don’t get why this video is something anyone should be upset about. He’s not saying
anything bad. He’s just saying he doesn’t care to have the argument.
I've also seen the interviewer before. That dude is a fucking retard.
That your parents and grandparents threw garbage at Ruby Bridges. They don't want you to know they did that.
The history and impacts of racism should be taught. CRT should not be, as it is a grad school type of subject, and makes assumptions and assertions that are not provable.
how to be racist towards white people taught by liberal shithead colleges and liberal shithead college professors
You are asking this question on the wrong site, I can hear the right wingers now, “it’s communism” and other bullshit like that
I saw this video on tik tok. I was like, omfg. He doesn't want it taught, yet doesn't know what it is
CRT= if you are white, you are an evil racist, colonizer who should feel shame.
That pretty much sums up what they teach in school. Why do I think that? Because I have worked in schools for 11 1/2 years and have seen racism against White students and employees being a regular and accepted thing here in liberal California. More punishment against Whites, and open discrimination against White staff and students.
the history of racism. though, the idiot white supremacists forget one crucial thing...
It's about hating white people.
Cathode Ray Tube. LOL
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