Men are free to live their lives however they want. To my knowledge, they've always been living their lives the way they want. So not sure why there should be a movement for it.
Men who are in a relationship aren't doing their own thing. Especially married men. When a man is in a relationship it's no longer about him. It's about his girlfriend/wife. And majority of the time the girlfriend/wife doesn't bring anything to the table. Know of "happy wife happy life?" Yeah, mgtow don't do that.
@heartache0405 You look at marriage the wrong way.
It's not a guy's job to give up the things he likes doing for his wife. I'll be doing my own thing, married or not.
I'm going to be doing all the same things I do now after getting married, only difference is I won't be alone and she will be doing them too (because I only date women who like the same stuff).
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 And honestly, I am glad you lucked out and found a good one. I have nothing against people who luck out and beat the odds. Never resent another's good fortune and all that.
I’m all for men not wanting anything to do with women relationship wise and thriving on their own, it’s great and could even be inspirational. my only issue is that most of the time (at least from what I’ve witnessed) the men apart of mgtow all just let women consume their lives and every thought. Not actually bettering themselves *for* themselves and just end up spending a lot of time complaining about women
This is pretty accurate. I support the intention of socially acceptable independence, but these guys make it seem like all women are incapable of being anything other than drama drumming gold diggers.
The men who start out in MGTOW are often very bitter, very hurt, and very angry at the pack of lies they were told all through their formative years. And they vent. A lot. It's a process.
Yeah it's like these mgtow guys are jus doing it to try and upset or make you girls sad or something, so they're asking these type questions cos they desperately want to see what negative effects it has on y'all as some sort of revenge for the "wrong doings" they experienced from woman, It's hilarious to see y'all don't really care and this guy isn't getting the reaction he wants lolol
@WhyteNiqqa As opposed to you simping? The reality is that the ones starting out in MGTOW are still venting their anger, or, because they wish someone had told them about it sooner, they feel the need to be "MGTOW Evangelists". But in time, they will get past that.
It sort of reminds me of the "international women's Day" thing where the majority of mentions online for men's day is during woman's Day with men complaing about a lack of a men's day... But there is one it was the other week, just men don't care enough to support it for various reasons you can guess at...
I have no problem with this. If men want to abstain from women, by all means, that’s their freedom to do so.
The branding for this movement isn’t great though. I originally interpreted it as men becoming gay because of women, which in 2021, wouldn’t surprise me if such a movement existed.
I know nothing about them but, ss long as they aren't going around hurting people... all power to them. If they don't want to talk to women in dating scene, that's their right. I don't see how it affects me.
My biggest issue is that the forums don´t provide you with solutions but give you other guys complaining about situations and their problems with women. I feel they never come over the status of complaining. I personally also find the idea of being independent of women and living life happy as a single man without a relationship or sex but I feel like MGTOW is just a group of guys that isn´t any different to incels.
No one wants kids and whats a marriage ceremony do when women are encourages by all their peers to divorce their husband? Thats why my mom got divorced, some bitch on her death bed said she didn't think it was right to stay married
I don't think men need to start a movement for it.
They simply need to work on their self respect so that they stop disempowering themselves and lacking healthy boundaries with women by letting themselves be pushed around and letting their needs go unmet.
But I mean that's something everyone should do with everyone, not just a man thing.
@anon171999 I think done properly, MGTOW is or can be just that, that is, they stop disempowering themselves, they set healthy boundaries with women, they no longer let themselves be pushed around, and they make sure their needs are met.
If it turned into a community of men that educate and teach men how to set healthy boundaries with women that could be beneficial yes. However it also holds the potential to just be a group of men complaining about women and having a victim mindset, like women have done with feminism. So I think it definitely would have to be done properly like you said. It couldn't be about "poor me, women hurt me, women suck". It would need to be more empowering and informative of boundaries. But if done properly as you said, yes it would be great for men to do that.
The fact that instead of actually going their own way they spend all theirs time online talking about doing it and waiting for us people to actually care.
The reality is that the ones starting out in MGTOW are still venting their anger, or, because they wish someone had told them about it sooner, they feel the need to be "MGTOW Evangelists". But in time, they will get past that.
The fact that its a modern movement. Many modern movements that have come up over the last few years are completely ignoring a central idea and are devaluing themselves and the idea of a movement. The idea of making friends instead of enemies is all but lost on many modern movements.
People who are against MGTOW are the people who think it has anything to do with feminism. It doesn’t help that there are angry men out there who say dumb shit.
MGTOW is basically men who want to be left alone. You never see or hear of MGTOW protesting or harassing feminists. You do see or hear of it going the other way.
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I don’t really have an issue with it. It’s for the best. Even when considering the toxic parts, I see it as all part of the process. It’s analogous the the five stages of grief thing. Men newly confronting the situation may well begin very frustrated and even toxic. It takes them as long as it takes them to move on, often going through a stage which tries to adapt and focus on improving game in order to get attention from women while remaining emotionally distant. Ultimately, there’s acceptance of women’s flaws, accepting the world for what it is, forgiveness of nature, self reliance, etc. I’ve seen guys come in angry, wade into red-pill dating philosophy gain confidence with women, repair their self esteem and move on from MGTOW acting like it was toxic and bad when really it obviously helped them a bunch. Really it was the place they got to vent, and seeing other men in the early stages makes it look bad. But it’s all part of the process.
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Too many of them are borderline incels or incels.
I say borderline because some of these guys have kids or girlfriend or ex wives.
a lot of these dudes do not wanna compete. They just wanna whine and complain. And I think a lot of them live with their family members or parents.
Women opinion do not matter. When your financially stable. These dude make 30-50k/complain.
They don't go the gym. Don't have car.
Very few of them are true Red pill alpha is say 2 out 10
It reminds me too much of the trolls on gaming forums who would make "I quit" posts every week in a desperate bid for attention. It's even in the name "men GoiNg their own way" locked in a perpetual state of announcing their departure but never actually leaving.
Men have gone their own way throughout history. But they never felt the need to join a club to do so. They just did what they want. They don't need to join a circle jerk and repeat the mantra, "I'm going my own way".
If they want to walk to the other side of the room, go ahead. No need to announce it to the world. That's just lame.
The movement itself? None. Considering what kind of bullshit modern feminism is allowed to push, I can understand that guys just say "fuck it" and live their lives without getting into a relationship. Wouldn't do it, but I can understand it. Now, as with feminism, there are many rotten apples in there, just plainly hating on women as a whole, and that is not acceptable. On top of being stupid. Instead of just putting women aside of their lives, they live just to go against women.
What a person chooses to do with their life provided they are not violating the law is not really anybody else's business. Women don't control men and men don't control women. I don't really identify with MGTOW but I do live a single life and am happy. I'm not sure why all of a sudden MGTOW is something people are so concerned about. I see name calling etc. Why? Just let the guys be.
It seems like disgruntled men hating on women. There are legitimate issues with women's choices, selection of guys, dating protocols etc, but bitching about how the opposite sex is worthless is probably not the best way to go about it.
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Men are free to live their lives however they want. To my knowledge, they've always been living their lives the way they want. So not sure why there should be a movement for it.
Men who are in a relationship aren't doing their own thing. Especially married men. When a man is in a relationship it's no longer about him. It's about his girlfriend/wife. And majority of the time the girlfriend/wife doesn't bring anything to the table. Know of "happy wife happy life?" Yeah, mgtow don't do that.
Also is not a movement it's a lifestyle choice
@heartache0405 You look at marriage the wrong way.
It's not a guy's job to give up the things he likes doing for his wife. I'll be doing my own thing, married or not.
I'm going to be doing all the same things I do now after getting married, only difference is I won't be alone and she will be doing them too (because I only date women who like the same stuff).
@heartache0405 as a married men, yes we are absolutely doing or own thing.
@heartache0405 there is nothing I did before that I don't do now. Literally nothing. And my wife does bring as much as me to the table.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8, good for you
@Thespacegnome, I will view marriage however I want to, thank you.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 And honestly, I am glad you lucked out and found a good one. I have nothing against people who luck out and beat the odds. Never resent another's good fortune and all that.
@Curmudgeon I wish that good fortune for everyone else.
I’m all for men not wanting anything to do with women relationship wise and thriving on their own, it’s great and could even be inspirational. my only issue is that most of the time (at least from what I’ve witnessed) the men apart of mgtow all just let women consume their lives and every thought. Not actually bettering themselves *for* themselves and just end up spending a lot of time complaining about women
This is pretty accurate. I support the intention of socially acceptable independence, but these guys make it seem like all women are incapable of being anything other than drama drumming gold diggers.
The men who start out in MGTOW are often very bitter, very hurt, and very angry at the pack of lies they were told all through their formative years. And they vent. A lot. It's a process.
I have no issues witv it whatsoever. It's healthy to do what feels right and set boundaries that fit into their circumstances.
Yeah it's like these mgtow guys are jus doing it to try and upset or make you girls sad or something, so they're asking these type questions cos they desperately want to see what negative effects it has on y'all as some sort of revenge for the "wrong doings" they experienced from woman,
It's hilarious to see y'all don't really care and this guy isn't getting the reaction he wants lolol
They're wasting their time with that mgtow shit lol
@WhyteNiqqa As opposed to you simping? The reality is that the ones starting out in MGTOW are still venting their anger, or, because they wish someone had told them about it sooner, they feel the need to be "MGTOW Evangelists". But in time, they will get past that.
It sort of reminds me of the "international women's Day" thing where the majority of mentions online for men's day is during woman's Day with men complaing about a lack of a men's day... But there is one it was the other week, just men don't care enough to support it for various reasons you can guess at...
I have no problem with this. If men want to abstain from women, by all means, that’s their freedom to do so.
The branding for this movement isn’t great though. I originally interpreted it as men becoming gay because of women, which in 2021, wouldn’t surprise me if such a movement existed.
You can't become gay. Gay sex is revolting
Agreed, @MrPlentiful
I know nothing about them but, ss long as they aren't going around hurting people... all power to them.
If they don't want to talk to women in dating scene, that's their right. I don't see how it affects me.
My biggest issue is that the forums don´t provide you with solutions but give you other guys complaining about situations and their problems with women. I feel they never come over the status of complaining.
I personally also find the idea of being independent of women and living life happy as a single man without a relationship or sex but I feel like MGTOW is just a group of guys that isn´t any different to incels.
I believe that a strong and healthy society consists of strong and healthy families.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I also disagree with having (and planning to) have children outside of marriage.
Basically I view MGTOW like I view feminism, they're two sides of the same coin to me.
Not as the backlash against what feminism has become?
No one wants kids and whats a marriage ceremony do when women are encourages by all their peers to divorce their husband? Thats why my mom got divorced, some bitch on her death bed said she didn't think it was right to stay married
I don't think men need to start a movement for it.
They simply need to work on their self respect so that they stop disempowering themselves and lacking healthy boundaries with women by letting themselves be pushed around and letting their needs go unmet.
But I mean that's something everyone should do with everyone, not just a man thing.
Well said!!
@anon171999 I think done properly, MGTOW is or can be just that, that is, they stop disempowering themselves, they set healthy boundaries with women, they no longer let themselves be pushed around, and they make sure their needs are met.
If it turned into a community of men that educate and teach men how to set healthy boundaries with women that could be beneficial yes. However it also holds the potential to just be a group of men complaining about women and having a victim mindset, like women have done with feminism. So I think it definitely would have to be done properly like you said. It couldn't be about "poor me, women hurt me, women suck". It would need to be more empowering and informative of boundaries. But if done properly as you said, yes it would be great for men to do that.
The fact that instead of actually going their own way they spend all theirs time online talking about doing it and waiting for us people to actually care.
The reality is that the ones starting out in MGTOW are still venting their anger, or, because they wish someone had told them about it sooner, they feel the need to be "MGTOW Evangelists". But in time, they will get past that.
@Curmudgeon Cool story bro
The fact that its a modern movement. Many modern movements that have come up over the last few years are completely ignoring a central idea and are devaluing themselves and the idea of a movement. The idea of making friends instead of enemies is all but lost on many modern movements.
Too many guys I have met who are members of the movement do not appear to possess the ability to think rationally.
And rational thinking is supposed to be a defining masculine trait.
What Are Masculine Traits?
"masculine traits" from your own definition, how funny
@CasaNorba If you read the take you would know that is a total misrepresentation of my view.
In fact, there is a question mark at the end.
Why are males here so whiny, that they can't even express an opinion about what they feel makes for masculinity?
People who are against MGTOW are the people who think it has anything to do with feminism. It doesn’t help that there are angry men out there who say dumb shit.
MGTOW is basically men who want to be left alone. You never see or hear of MGTOW protesting or harassing feminists. You do see or hear of it going the other way.
I don’t really have an issue with it. It’s for the best. Even when considering the toxic parts, I see it as all part of the process. It’s analogous the the five stages of grief thing. Men newly confronting the situation may well begin very frustrated and even toxic. It takes them as long as it takes them to move on, often going through a stage which tries to adapt and focus on improving game in order to get attention from women while remaining emotionally distant. Ultimately, there’s acceptance of women’s flaws, accepting the world for what it is, forgiveness of nature, self reliance, etc. I’ve seen guys come in angry, wade into red-pill dating philosophy gain confidence with women, repair their self esteem and move on from MGTOW acting like it was toxic and bad when really it obviously helped them a bunch. Really it was the place they got to vent, and seeing other men in the early stages makes it look bad. But it’s all part of the process.
Too many of them are borderline incels or incels.
I say borderline because some of these guys have kids or girlfriend or ex wives.
a lot of these dudes do not wanna compete. They just wanna whine and complain. And I think a lot of them live with their family members or parents.
Women opinion do not matter. When your financially stable. These dude make 30-50k/complain.
They don't go the gym. Don't have car.
Very few of them are true Red pill alpha is say 2 out 10
It reminds me too much of the trolls on gaming forums who would make "I quit" posts every week in a desperate bid for attention. It's even in the name "men GoiNg their own way" locked in a perpetual state of announcing their departure but never actually leaving.
Men have gone their own way throughout history. But they never felt the need to join a club to do so. They just did what they want. They don't need to join a circle jerk and repeat the mantra, "I'm going my own way".
If they want to walk to the other side of the room, go ahead. No need to announce it to the world. That's just lame.
The movement itself? None. Considering what kind of bullshit modern feminism is allowed to push, I can understand that guys just say "fuck it" and live their lives without getting into a relationship.
Wouldn't do it, but I can understand it.
Now, as with feminism, there are many rotten apples in there, just plainly hating on women as a whole, and that is not acceptable. On top of being stupid. Instead of just putting women aside of their lives, they live just to go against women.
What a person chooses to do with their life provided they are not violating the law is not really anybody else's business. Women don't control men and men don't control women. I don't really identify with MGTOW but I do live a single life and am happy. I'm not sure why all of a sudden MGTOW is something people are so concerned about. I see name calling etc. Why? Just let the guys be.
It seems like disgruntled men hating on women. There are legitimate issues with women's choices, selection of guys, dating protocols etc, but bitching about how the opposite sex is worthless is probably not the best way to go about it.
Incels are the ones who tend to bitch about how the opposite sex is worthless. Mgtow men just don't want anything to do with women at all.
Hence going their own way. Doing their own thing.