Whats the deal with MGTOW and WGTOW?

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Just a bunch of adults who can't get date because they're to brainwashed to cover dinner or feel oppressed shaving their pits or what?

By brainwashed I mean thinking that paying for dinner had anything to do with gender roles outside of a glorified romantic gesture.

By oppressed I mean thinking body hair or anything main stream feminine does something to kill our relevance as fellow human beings.

To me this is just another radicalized social conditioning that further wedges a divide between people for no reason except for one to feel self justification in their own sexist pride.

Pride is the root of disharmony, so I find it strange such people talking sweet seeming things are at the forefront of perpetuating gender stigmas that are easily crushed by not lobbying.

Forgive me if Im way off, but these seem like pseudo forms of misogyny and feministic nazism.

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JZ909 · Accepted Answer

First, I think that professionals forgoing the distraction of romance in order to be more successful at their passion has been around throughout all of human history.

I've never heard of WGTOW, and if it's really about things like shaving one's armpits, I would say that's pretty silly.

The popularity of MGTOW, on the other hand, is, in my opinion, mostly a reaction (perhaps an overreaction) to a very vocal female supremacy movement. Many movements involving sexual misbehavior against women completely disregard the concept of innocent until proven guilty, and often wish to punish people beyond the confines of the law. Another example would be the women in the workplace type of movements, which very vocally advocate for more women in male-dominated career fields, but are unperturbed by the growing gap in education between the sexes or by the many career fields that are almost exclusively female.

I don't agree with MGTOW, because I recognize and value my biological desire to have a special relationship with a woman, but I definitely can understand why it's becoming more popular.

jaidee · Accepted Answer

Mgtow is about staying clear, staying removed from the traditional marriage-like relationships in a society that only offers extending hands to women while screwing up men.
What's funny is that some people want to attack mgtow not because they DO something, but because they DON'T do something. Like you need to go and attack some men whose life choice values their own self and who do not engage you. Tyrants can't leave people alone.

jellyroo · Accepted Answer

I find it a tad pathetic to need a label and complete set philosophy to "go your own way" personally, but people tend to want to belong somewhere, even if the whole point is to go your OWN way.
I don't know, I'll never agree with the need for these groups, just in order to live an individual life. I think most people do fine living their lives without calling themselves X or Y.

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

Well if you just can't get along, it's best you peacefully go your own way. That goes with every situation, BUT the issue is some of these people still find themselves consumed with anger towards the opposite sex, and always find a way to scream it to the world, so although they claim their going their own way they're really just IN the way of everyone who wants harmony.

MzAsh · Accepted Answer

Is WGTOW even a thing?
Most of the MGTOW are doing so because they can't handle the current gender climate of women having more choices and opportunities. They aren't the type of men to be with anyway, so it's best that get out of the way.

BrittBratt2416 · Accepted Answer

All it is just the downfall of society and the killing of the family structure. People too scared to love now a days, and only thinking about themselves.

ADFSDF1996 · Answer

MGTOW is a extremist version of Men’s rights activism (MRA) but they are not one and the same. WGTOW isn’t a official movement, it’s just a mockery of MGTOW. Meninism is also not a official movement, it’s just a mockery of 4th wave feminism.

I consider myself a men’s rights activist but not MGTOW. Men who go MGTOW are usually men who have given up on women, so I pity them. I don’t think MGTOW or the hypothetical WGTOW will actually benefit anyone in the long run because as you said all they are doing is dividing men and women.

As a men’s rights activist, I advocate the collaboration between men and women, not the division between men and women.

ThisDudeHere · Answer

MGTOW is a reaction to modern gynocentrism and all of the disadvantages that it grants men.

Cammy137 · Answer

I think you summed it up pretty well

OlderAndWiser · Answer

You have called it out for what it is. Well said!

Servus09 · Answer

Try to imagine that you're a man and you're average. Now imagine you're young (18-24) years old. Let's narrow it down further and say you're a 6 out of 10 on looks and a 6 out of 10 financially.

A woman who is roughly in your same ballpark and age has many, many, many more sexual options than you have and likely ever will have. She doesn't need to approach men to get their attention. Simply by being seen, she is approached, and the men she can select from are well above average in looks and financial stability.

As an average man, you see this happening all around you. You have tried your damnedest to be that dependable guy women say they want and it has never gotten you anywhere. So Instead of playing the dating game, you start telling women to f*ck off with their stupid problems and begin focusing on yourself instead. Suddenly you're doing things you care about and you're making money for yourself. And just like that, women start gravitating towards you like a black hole.

That's MGTOW (at least for young men) in a nutshell. For more mature men it's usually about survival. 'I can't get married again because I can't afford another divorce.' For these men, MGTOW is an absolute necessity.

KAF87 · Answer

In principle I have no issue with either movement. Not everyone is or wants to be parent material. Others truly have no choice (permanently shunned by women) or the opposite gender.

Some times children don't align well with your life goals. Example, had a bad start in life, goes to college late 20s, career focused, finally gets life together at 37, a little too old for children, etc.

The choosing not to find a mate, whether, gay, straight, trans, or what ever label, does seem unnatural. We are after all social creatures.

I think most people dislike these groups / movements because it is hard to relate to. However you may feel very differently if you have been betrayed, or spent a decade alone with no dates. You may feel that dating apps pray on your wallet, and buying someone dinner is just giving money away because you never see date #3.

I don't hate them, it's not my thing, but if they want to be alone let them be.

Mexicoman101 · Answer

Yeah pretty much, I did a MyTake briefly covering the MGTOW community & advising people against it. I think a lot of men with autism can easily come off as creepy & find themselves isolated, so these MGTOW recruiters can gather them intoa general stew of hate for the opposite sex.

Dating is just really hard nowadays, what was once normal social convention is rejected by modern society & demographics are shifting to isolate many kinds of men and some women. Adapting to the modern datong climate is harsh.

CasaNorba · Answer

first of all WGTOW does not exist. anyways we MGTOW are just men who are fed up with our gynocentric society and choose to withdraw ourselves from it by avoiding dates, relationship, marriage and most of all women in general.

so to answer your question i think you are pretty much pigeon holing mgtow and feminist because never once have we mgtow complained about irrelevant bullshit that you continuously brought up like shaving our body hair and whatever. hell we don't complain or demand anything at all, we choose to solve our own problems by refusing to play by that problem's rules and focus on our own lives instead

SaintRaghu · Answer

MGTOW exists because of third wave feminism.
Third wave feminism portrays all men as evil child molesters and rapists and Mother Nature always finds a way to restore the balance and that’s how MGTOW was created which portrays all women as evil but every MGTOW is different just like every feminist has its own views and opinions. Some MGTOWS hate all women and some just avoid the bad ones.

It’s not about hating men or hating women according to my opinion cuz in 21st century if you look at most people it’s obvious that they’re not worth your time and here I’m talking about humans without mentioning a specific gender.

FakeName123 · Answer

It's when there is a one hundred years old movement that keeps villifying one half of the gender and that half eventually has enough of it.

There is more to it, but generally its a trade-off. Dealing with women isn't really worth it anymore for men, because they can only lose. Rape-accusation, divorce, etc.

I personally don't think it's the right approach, but it is understandable to an extent.

jessture · Answer

I'm someone who completely thinks traditional dating conventions are stupid, and I don't need a woman in my life to be happy, but I'd never identify as a MGTOW.

You're right that both are a form of purely hating on the other gender.

However, since there is a lack of any organization for men to advocate for men's issues, I can see why so many men end up there, but I'm not defending their vile hatred either.

TheFunkyThumb · Answer

Being jaded by past experiences, stuff you're seeing, things you read, i get it. Im not surprised the movement came about because its a reactionary movement. I just think they are weak people. I've been through everything they rail on about and what i took from it is some people are shitty and i need to make better decisions. I'm not about to throw every woman in the same bucket as the few that did me wrong because that's retarded, and its not conducive to finding a satisfying relationship.

LegateLanius · Answer

Really. WGTOW? MGTOW is an anti-gynocentrism movement of men. If there was a group of anti-androcentrism women, that would be WGTOW. The thing I don’t understand is that since the west is highly gynocentric, why would women even “go their own way”.

AD240pCharlie · Answer

I only know one "member" of MGTOW in real life, and his only justification for not wanting a relationship is because he feels like women in the west have become less feminine which makes them unattractive.
Now, it's perfectly fine if you don't want a relationship (I personally HATE the idea of being in one), and it's also fine to want your partner to have certain traits (again, I as well find feminine women a lot more attractive), but MGTOWs often judge every woman they meet based on their previous experiences with them, which makes them no better tham third-wave feminists.

Miristheiss · Answer

Just people who want to date and have sex but never want to move in with anyone or get legally married. Seems pretty straight forward.

A-man-22 · Answer

Like feminism , mtgow has a corrupted side. But if you want to know it's why it was created it was because due to feminism guys felt left out on the social development side. It also started because people just ignored male problems such as unfair divorce laws and high rates of male suicide.
I'm not mtgow myself but I do see their reasons.
I just want to see divorce laws, rates of suicide and dating norms made more equal.

cheedachee · Answer

You kind of nailed it.

Leftist identity politics i. e. "you're white/straight/cis/male/priviledged/etc and therefore your opinion is invalid" are hypocritical fascist beliefs that parade around as progressive and open minded. In the end, they demand the silencing of others and the broad-stroke painting of people based on group identity rather than individual merit. In other words, racist, sexist, bigots say you're a racist, sexist, bigot, because of your skin color or orientation etc., but since they aren't you they literally cannot be racist. Its so absurd a stance that it defies rationale and deserves profound ridicule.

MGTOW and alt-right extremism is essentially the same thing, just on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Text answers way too far and one direction in throws logic out the window while having very little to support their arguments and contradictory explanations.

englisc · Answer

I think that it's partly losers and incels who want to pretend that they're the ones avoiding women and not the other wah around, and partly just guys who want to avoid marriage because they see it as a one-sided thing especially when it comes to divorce. I think that too many critics of MGTOW focus on the former and ignore the latter.

GoodGuyGregGGG · Answer

Mgtow is a pity party for dudes. Lol mostly white dudes I've notice. I think they mad cause a chick did them wrong or didn't give them some attention. Low key they acting like little hoes.

You shouldn't have to annoucnce i ain't gwtting marrie dand only gonna date chicks lol. Do you.

The Women verison is bitter fat gay chicks

Rhys_r15 · Answer

I'm not MGTOW at all but, I did a bit of research into the movement and it isn't misogynistic despite its image. It's about how men get treated unfairly in family and divorce courts and how the law is so biased towards women in domestic matters that men might as well not marry or have relations with women because there is more loss than there is rewards in the matter. There are also other subjects it touches on such as gynocentrism, but the focus is the bias in family and divorce courts.

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