For those who don't know what MGTOW is: MGTOW is an acronym for Men Going Their Own Way, an online social movement and backlash to feminism where men renounce interactions with women and seek to define and live out their masculinity on their own terms. Do you consider it to be misogynistic? Or necessary temporary? Or necessary for long term? I personally think it's necessary for both short and long term. There shouldn't be anything wrong with abstaining from relationships and women in general because women do it to men too.
MGTOW means you do your own thing without regards to women.
I eat what I want, work out when and how I want , travel when and where I want to go and do my own thing. One does not live for the approval of a woman. This idea seems counter intuitive to most people (both and men and women ) because we have all been conditioned to believe that you MUST have a relationship to be a happy and complete person. The current zeitgeist says that a man must do everything to impress and keep a women - new car? new house? fancy cloths , good job? We men have been trained to believe that we must have those things to keep her happy and show her how much of a man one is. As far as I am concerned MGTOW is a way of saying "fuck you bitch , you ain't getting shit from me"
MGTOW is a movement where men forgo women - in many cases these men have been screwed over through divorce and there is a lot of anger. But can you blame them when they lose half their shit and they become indentured servants due to alimony and child support for the next several decades? I am surrounded by married men and none of them seem very happy. Almost all of them them tell me to remain single. As for women I truly believe that they see men as resource providers and nothing more.
Either way, I have my job, my money , my various financial investments and I am content with things as they are.
Beuatifully said and I completely see how the men who are against mgtow (the basic premise of it) are men who are not living for themselves. Either were raised by pussy whipped fathers or single mothers.
"They see men as resource providers and nothing more" Very true. Like strippers feed horny men fantasies and then ask for cash. Women hate nothing more than a rich man who isn't horny for them.
@MrPlentiful Actually, many men came to MGTOW precisely *because* of absentee or ineffective fathers or single mothers. They saw how their fathers were treated and said the hell with that. So it's all good. The simps against MGTOW? Well, either they lucked out and don't have a clue how awful all too many women today are, or they are so used to it and that is why they simp.
If more men seriously reflected about their relationships with women - their moms, wifes, girlfriends, and to an extent their daughters and sisters - they would see that women do not stick around where there isn't money and free food. They will NEVER pull their own weight.
Theyre like cats. Theyre loyal to your stuff/house and your food. Theyre never truly happy to see you (outside of the crushing phase) like a dog is always elated to see you, and won't even eat or play until you come back home
There is a lot of truth in what you say. In a lot of cases, men do get the shitty end of the stick when it comes to divorce and child custody. I would like to see more fairness in that aspect. So when men truly choose to go their own way, I totally get it. Women too. They also swear off relationships because of how their men treated them in the past. That being said, I just want to point out to you that, yes, men are told that you have buy things for a woman to keep her happy. But donât forget, women are told that we are princesses who deserve nothing less than the entire world. You see those bullshit Valentineâs Day commercials? The size of his love for you is directly proportional to the size of the diamond he buys. đ It props up womenâs expectations to an almost unachievable level, and makes many men feel inadequate as a result. If my husband brought me home a diamondâŚwellâŚhe wouldnât. Because I donât wear jewelry. And itâs not because we canât afford it, but because there are better things to spend our money on. I prefer stuff that bring us both joy. Like video games we can play together. So much better than a diamond
With the community? I donât. Itâs usually a pretty healthy community geared toward helping men achieve success and potential while warning them of the dangers of choosing relationships with the current laws in place. I do wish some who identify with the community would try to set a better example though. Too many people already associate mgtow with incels, when theyâre nothing alike.
@DarkWinterNights I see it as a process. The ones starting out in MGTOW are still venting their anger, or, because they wish someone had told them about it sooner, they feel the need to be "MGTOW Evangelists". But in time, they will get past that.
I have my own name for the "movement;" MFTOCEM (Men Fixin' Their Own Coffee Every Morning.)
Most of the MGTOW crowd I have dealt with seem to be butt hurt boys who had a bad experience and who now would rather blame all women rather than taking responsibility for their own flaws and addressing their deficiencies if the dating arena. If you want to drop out of the "competition," it's not hurting those of us who know how to date women.
My biggest issues with MGTOW is that they do not inherently believe in their own supposed philosophy. Its a reactionary group, meaning they are doing all this nonsense as a way to combat Feminism rather than fight for any given issue they claim to care about. The fact that they choose to go with this cosplay in their attempts to undermine Feminism as opposed to literally any other fake cause is also incredibly pathetic.
Its a male supremacist group pretending to be the victims in the most humiliating way imaginable to the point where I feel compelled to feel embarrassed FOR them since they appear to be incapable of registering that emotion.
If it was JUST a shallow attempt to undermine Feminism by inventing a pathetic fake counter movement that would be one thing. The fact that they are male supremacists and going out of their way to harass people (mainly women) and other toxic and potentially illegal behavior is another. In my eyes they are both deceptive and malicious so deserves no sympathy.
I donât really have an issue beyond âjust âgo your own wayâ and donât make a production about it.â I donât need to when someone is âgoing their own wayâ, Iâm not particularly interested as to why theyâve chosen that route, I certainly donât want to hear anything anti-womenâŚ. itâs kind of just like âif the whole dynamic doesnât work for you, by all means, donât participate, do you, thatâs a business decision we all have to make for ourselves, but let everyone else live and do their thing with drawing attention to your own choice, because âand I say this with all due respectâ literally nobody else cares. If someone has some emotional issues that are troubling them, by all means, address your own issues, you donât have to bottle it up til you snap, no one wants that. Iâm just saying Iâd probably think better of MGTOW if they just did it and didnât tell us they were doing it, then otherwise it takes on kind of an âattackingâ tone. Iâm not mad at MGTOW, I think many of these guys just have extremely hurt feelings, and that makes me sad for them. Other guys just canât be fucked to deal with the dynamics of a relationship, and thatâs fine too. I think it just can go awry sometimes because I feel like a lot of these dudes WANT relationships with women, but theyâre just so offended by the way some of these dating dynamics tend to operate, they just canât do it. Or they feel like theyâll be broadly rejected and theyâre âspinning the storyâ and rejecting the women first. So I mean, whatever, I donât expect anyone to participate in any kind of social customs or norms, Iâm all about doing what works for you. Just if youâre single, just be single, donât be like âIâm singleâŚ. and itâs all these fucking womenâs faults!!!â Nobody wants to be around that kind of negativity.
To me, the whole idea sounds like self-preservation against modern 304s. Here's where I disagree:
I think MGTOW is in a lot of ways similar to feminism. Bitter dudes generalize and say women ain't shit, just like bitter feminists say men ain't shit. I definitely believe red pill and the manosphere are needed for men because there are a lot of important topics, like self-respect, setting boundaries and vetting that are discussed, but for society to continue existing, families are needed. Now it would be perfectly fine if those MGTOW dudes were to do that for themselves and amongst themselves, as long as their don't promote their life style and try to normalize it. Do I think modern 304s are a pain in the ass? Without a doubt. Instead of leaving women altogether, I will focus more on learning how to vet them better, because I believe in family values. I hear all kinds of stupid bs from MGTOW "brothers" calling marriage-minded men "weak" and "simps" when half of those dudes are straight up lying about their "value" and some of them cannot back up what they say. I am more for a permanent solution over a reaction, and yes I just compared MGTOW to feminism. Both are destructive, and both are useless.
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Iâm not going to lie I use to be one when I was in my early 20s. It was all because of my insecurities of being a virgin. I thought I was virgin because I was ugly or something or like a lot of the videos say itâs because youâre weak and no woman wants weak men. I lived my parents and needed someone to take care of me, so I thought it was true. I thought it was because I was stupid and an underachiever. but when I finally got a job then I notice a lot of women saying Iâm handsome. I thought they were bullshiting me. All it took was a girl who was nice and understanding for me to realize mgtow is just bs. She could tell I was really insecure because at hiding my feelings. She would always ask me why you donât have a girlfriend youâre really cute. But I was too sucked into my belief I thought it was some manipulation. I got mad and said some mgtow bs and she didnât snap back at me. And she told me thereâs nothing wrong with you, youâre just confused and calmed me down. I want to go more into details about it but I canât because I donât want people knowing itâs me.
I thought women being nice was all it took too. Until one falsely accused me of stalking out of nowhere. Then that all changed. And I fully embraced going my own way.
I never was falsely accused and I'm sorry that happen. I can't imagine how you feel right now. But I'm still not going back to MGTOW. I love having women with me. When I stopped being nice to get sex from women and started just showing genuine empathy do many good women started coming to me. When I was MGTOW I stopped thinking about getting sex just literally being myself without care. It was thanks to MGTOW I was able to express my real self and thank MGTOW for that. Women stop looking at me the way they did when I was an awkward teenager. I'm still awkward but I just don't hide it anymore. It makes such a difference when you're not doing things for appeasement.
I use to be a TFM fan before he started doing the shows. After it was just talking about taking women's rights away every episode. I've been stalked by a girl in love with me before. I had no idea I was that charming. The teachers use to tell me I'm such a pretty boy or handsome, but I thought it was bs because most people said I was ugly. There be some girls that like my pics on my Facebook and say I'm cute, but I thought it was they were desperate to get a guy or they wanted to get money from me. All the teachers said I was charming. One of the teachers gave me her number to help me with homework. When it started getting emotional she left the school moved to another job. I thought I was going to be able to bang her, but nope.
MGTOW is known as the radical male counterpart of radical feminaZi-sm. They literally badmouth at women, hate women and blame women for virtually everything. If it was not punishable by law, then i think they would outright murder women.
There's a reason reddit banned the MGTOW subreddit and the MGTOW. com website shut down. I still have their old links, that no longer work. Just look at the names of their URLs and you will see the topics they were talking about.
Maybe thatâs the point of it being an online community? Somewhere men can talk about the bs they dealt with by women where they wonât be ridiculed for bringing it up? Because clearly thatâs whatâs going on. Youâre proving that point.
They are the biggest hypocrites and are just male version of feminazis. They hate feminazis but do exactly what they are doing just genders reversed and even worse If a woman goes her own, makes her caarer, etc she gets shamed and get called selfish, career orriented bitch etc. but when a man does the same shit, the mgtow incels say thst he is just going his own way and he gets respected. If a woman has bad experience with men, she gets blamed for dating bad boys but when men has a bad experiences with women, women get blamed again and nobody blame men for dating bad women. I also think majority of them are pedos, groomers etc. They have a disgusting obsession with very young women since they can be easily manipulated due to not finished brain development that affects their personality, maturity etc. So it is disgusting to date young eomen whose brain development ain't finished while you are grown ass man in your 30s. I also think they have luxus problems. I am middleeastern woman and i really can't stand them how they bitch about women the whole time but also say that they go their own way. Go your own fucking without bitching about women then. I am not saying that men dont have struggles but these mgtow incels act like they have so bad as middleeastern women. I really hope that they get their karma back aka get raped, get forced to marry an ugly old person, etc like middleeastern women so they have finally a reason to whine.
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Some incels justice mgtow retartedness just because they have bad experience with women, with their mums etc. By you retarded logic all women start hating men for having bad experience with men too. I know a lot women who got sexual harrassed or had bad experience with men. So should we start hating men too and be angry as them?
Few people outside the community respect MGTOW men. People overwhelmingly support women you claimed are disparaged in your comment. Men within the MGTOW community tend to act that way, sure, but maybe that's what you meant?
The more hateful a movement or idealogy is the more backlash they will get. We saw the backlash towards feminism but we begin to saw a worse backlash towards mgtow since mgtow incels are more hateful. I have never ever seen any feminazi that hate men on the same level as mgtows who hate women. My experience with feminazis is that many of them are victims of abuse or rape who need therapy but unfortunately they are on the internet and get used my idiotic antiman feminazi ideology or whatever to realease their hatred towards the rapists . They need therapy and you can't expect them to not hate men. They are traumatized. But what made very angry is that mgtow incels act like they have bad as these victims. It makes extrem angry when buch of cry babys cry for not finding a submissive traditional beta cuckified girl and blame women for not being their perfect hot traditional girl. Their bad experience with women means almost nothing when you compare it to the victims of abuse/rape. This entitlement of them fucks me up. If you dont believe me, go search. Any person with experience with feminazis know that many of them are rape or abuse victims thst need therapy which confuse many men since they dont understand the hatred towards men. This is why i think that they should not get any internet. By the way it is not feminism fault when politicians, games, etc use it for vote, clout or whatever. Majority of these people in power just hide behind feminism, lbgt etc which harms feminism, lbgt etc very bad.
I personally think that these politicians, movie directors are antifeminist. The actresses of some so called feminist movies explain their bad experience with sexism and bad working conditions for example. In my experience also sane rational feminists dont get any voice in media. They give crazy or fake feminists plattform or clout on purpose in my opinion. I saw it myself how a turkish second wave feminist organisation or movement get sabotaged and dont get any financial support while crazy feminist organisations get financial support by european countries
Yes yes , they aren't crazy. They have trauma. Never have feminists suggest that men should be on reservations to keep watch on them. Never have feminists suggest that the global population of men should be reduced to 10%.
And they certainly aren't as big a hypocrites as mgtow, when they were marching for equality but conveniently forgot to demand the obligation to respond to a call to arms.
I am not saying that all of them have trauma. And of course crazy hypocritical ones exist. Which hetero woman would want the population of men to be reduced to 10% tf.
The normal feminists dont get any voice or plattform as i said in my experience. Not all feminists are similar. To say shit like this is pretty pathetic. I also have to laugh at your point about women wanting the population of men to be reduced to 10% looool. Come on. Hetero men and hetero women like each other in the end. We can't resist eachother. We are programmed to reproduce and to marry/to stay together Only teenagers/kid would want the opposite sex to be reduced. Everyone had such phase. When i was 10, i also hated boys lool. It is normal.
You can laugh all you want and while you're laughing go to yt and look it up.
And i didn't say women want that. I said feminists did. And if you forgot, a few months ago a woman named sarah was killed and a female politician said that men should have a curfew at 1800.
Not to mention the blatant attempts to rewrite history , artificially creating words like herstory (history) mansplaining, manspreading
Absolutely necessary initially and temporary. MGTOW is - a process.
The men who start out in MGTOW are often very bitter, very hurt, and very angry at the pack of lies they were told all through their formative years. And they vent. A lot.
But the next step of MGTOW is to develop one's own talents, one's own skills, one's own hobbies. And not doing any of this because the ladies might like it, but for its (and their) own sake. And once the men have achieved this, they are much better off, even in terms of attracting women! ]
But the key point is that men have to do this for themselves, not for any woman. And focusing upon and developing themselves IS a good thing.
I have no issues with MGTOW, except for the men who don't actually ascribe to it. They are MGTOW in name only, but keep complaining about women and the bad things some of them do. Those "MGTOW" are no better than feminists. But the concept of taking care of yourself and not relying on serving women, a boss, etc, I think if neat. Though not for most men. I'd maybe be MGTOW, but I haven't given up on women yet, even if they've given up on me a long time ago cause I'm a short-sh*t and not a 10/10 in looks. However, I'm doing my best to go my own way regardless, and IF a woman is meant for me in the future (knowing how they are, it's unlikely), I'd be open to the idea, but not willing to throw caution to the wind to be with her.
In other words, I haven't given up on love yet, but statistically, it's unlikely I'll find a woman who's into me, so I'm preparing my future for my own happiness and no one else. So maybe I'm MGTOW-junior or something; I dunno.
I don't know about abstaining from relationships, but I'm a firm believer that all men should go on a personal journey and tap into their masculinity. As much as society wants to say that masculinity is "toxic", it's how we evolved to be a successful species. It's pivotal for society that men do this. The rise of feminism correlates strongly with demasculinisation of men which has resulted in less women being happy in relationships, higher divorce rates, and men having lower self esteem, amount other things. Engaging strongly with our masculinity might not sit right with people, but the truth is that is just how we are designed to be, irrefutable fact.
i think that Guys who are rejected by women and not physically attractive and possibly picked on or had a terrible run in with an ex girlfriend may resort to mgtow as some sort of coping system to make themselves feel better, So instead of thinking" I can't ever get a girlfriend" they think " I dont want a girlfriend because if i did she would use me" Its a psychological defense system they use to pervent emotional harm or lack of self of stem, Or one could of had a really terrible girlfriend and for some reason he thought that all other women were the same as well. Or they could just be downright sexist, Instead of analyzing them we should ask them why they feel this way and found out why they became mgtow.
But i still think they should get over themselves, If they was abused or used by a female in the past they should be shown the error in there judgement.
The movement has two laudable core ideals: Men need to set goals for themselves instead of prioritizing women Men need to establish standards for themselves instead of appealing to the standards of women
Too many men project their new-found self-service out at women as a way of taunting them or expelling their frustrations. Many in the community use these ideals as a means to elevate themselves for the goal of being a top-level man, again to troll women. Men who keep to themselves should be servicing themselves and stop bothering with women in any romantic or pseudo-sexual fashion. Those bad actors give the entire movement a bad name.
Its basically just political lesbianism, and has at least the same many many issues.
To be fair I think there are really problems which its a reaction to, and although it would be easy to make fun or dismiss it, it doesn't dismiss the very real pain that a lot of men feel. That all said I don't think over all its very healthy for anyone. If a man deicides that he doesn't want to date, thats his choice and I trust him to make the right one for him. If a man feels women have caused him trauma and he'd prefer not interact with women for a while, again thats fine and probably a good thing for him. However from what I can tell mgtow doesn't lead to healing but instead an echo chamber of pain only leading to increased levels of misogyny. The number of men that claim to be mgtow that have near unprovoked sent me death threats (even just on this site) is worrying
The reality is that the ones starting out in MGTOW are still venting their anger, or, because they wish someone had told them about it sooner, they feel the need to be "MGTOW Evangelists". But in time, they will get past that.
I was defacto doing this for a long time, by avoiding intimate relationships. Biggest issue was the lack of self development... staying stuck in my wounded frame, failure to contribute to the life of a woman whom loved me, creation of offspring, building a family, having support, someone to enjoy life with... to name a few.
MGTOW is basically giving up on women because of the difficulty. I get that, but that's unfortunate.
Choosing not to have a woman is something else... like a monk, etc.. that's not MGTOW.
Well I see it the same way as I see feminism - It has its pros and its cons - And mainly the pros only exist if you take both approaches in a cool light manner - Cons are when people take it to the extreme - And sometimes I think mgtow is an extreme by dudes who define it as a forever thing - I understand if the dude is super ugly or super fat - But make some money look better have some more confidence and no need for mgtow anymore - I never needed it even as a poor kid - Like I never needed to workout consistently or make money or work on myself to have girlfriends or girls giving me attention - But I understand dudes who feel like no girl will ever give a shit about them so they'd rather turn that energy to something they can control - I just think it's easier and less complicated than they think especially after a certain small period of mgtow or whatever you wanna call the self improvement process..
In the 21st century, the humans brain has been usurped by digital technology. I see it in younger folks all over. Every thought is a binary choice. There is no context. No measure of relative value. Everything is, yes/no, love/hate, on/off. Best day ever or worst day ever. The human mind was not meant to function like an on/off switch. Our brains have billions of complex connections and digital technology has corrupted out thought process. Maybe that is why Mental Illness is surging. We have reverted back into tribalism and it is not positive process for society.
Why would anyone need a movement just to not have a relationship?
I don't have a relationship, and it required literally zero effort on my part.
No movement, no ranting online about women, no complaining or preaching.
Granted, I want a relationship, but thats not the point.
The point, is that these guys are harping on past relationships, instead of just living their lives, and it just doesn't scream "going your own way" to let women who wronged you suck away your free time by letting them rent out space your head, long after you stopped talking to them.
I don't like it just like I don't like today's feminism. I think both lead us down a road to a loveless world and it risk's the human race.
There's nothing wrong with equality or being masculine or feminine. There's also nothing wrong with empowering your sex. But don't do it on the basis of denouncing the opposite sex.
I agree with what you wrote. Women, as a collective, should have thought of that before so many of them got on the Feminist (aka Communist) train and began to screech their hatred of men, of Western Civilisation and of their own biology by renouncing motherhood. If a woman has been to university, there is a 99 per cent probability that she is a toxic indoctrinated Feminist/Communist who should be avoided as though she was a plague carrier. Today, there are divorce laws and law enforcement procedures that were designed to create a system that was grotesquely unjust to men. The words 'I am not happy' are followed by the woman using the police to drag the man in chains from his own home (false domestic violence complaints, which are NEVER questioned); a domestic violence order that prohibits the man seeing his children; a court will hand 50 to 100 per cent of the marital property (and the man's pre-existing assets) to the woman; and a court will order that an unpayable amount of the man's future income be given to the woman as spousal and/or child support. Some may recall that actor and comedian Robin Williams hung himself after a court order for spousal support exceeded his income, which meant that he was going to go to prison because he was unable to pay. There are laws that make it a felony to approach a woman (Britain's anti-catcalling law), as well as the lunacy and injustice the US Title IX, which subjects young men to extrajudicial punishments that will destroy their lives. No evidence is necessary and the young man is not allowed to defend himself in the university's star chamber. Mere accusation by s spiteful young woman is sufficient to destroy the young man's life. None of the above has been an 'accident'. It has all been part of a Globalist/Communist plan to undermine Western Civilisation by causing men and women to see each other as enemies and respond accordingly.
I don't really have an issue with it per se, but I used to be into that stuff in my early teens and then in my later teens I dropped the idea due to realizing that in my opinion the whole movement is about doing something that a guy should've already been doing. It shouldn't take a movement to act like you got some sense.
Like mgtow talk about focusing on yourself and becoming a better person, like bruh, you should've been doing that the entire time.
I think itâs basically become such a widespread movement because men donât have a lot of guidance or support from institutions or really anyone. Especially men who grew up without fathers in their lives. Itâs helped me prioritize things in my life and make some solid friendships along the way.
annoying people like you who can't keep us out of your head. or maybe we you appreciate you for the fact that you is people like you who are making us more famous.
I know it's not a movement. I just wanted to find a definition so those who don't know what it is can have an idea. I didn't realize it said movement in that definition. There are so many definitions of mgtow I couldn't find a good one đ
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