My high school - which was only grades 10-12 at the time, had 2600 students, 8 entrances, and 2.1 miles of fence line. It would take a crew of 4 guards the better part of an hour to get all those students through security. The campus is also open because the school is 80 years old and built when the town has 18,000 residents. Today it has 105,000. It doesn't have the capacity to feed more than 40% of the students, so it has to allow them to get food elsewhere.
When I was a student, I was in the various school bands, I was a DJ, and I ran the sound for nearly all school events. I was constantly bringing in equipment. The school had an autoshop class where students brought in their cars and tools. I could go on, but that school could invest 10 million dollars to "secure" and I could still get an arsenal on campus with ease.
No, it's simple reality. "Security" that's worth anything is VERY expensive, and requires a very HIGH level of training and commitment. There are a few schools who have this kind of security - the children of billionaires and presidents/prime ministers tend to attend those schools - but if you think that's even remotely practical for any normal suburban high school, you simply don't understand the scale of the problem. You would literally need to turn schools into prisons, and I should remind you that prisons are already universally compromised - drugs, weapons, cell phones, and other contraband are very common in prisons. If you can't secure a prison, how can you hope to secure a school?
As others have mentioned, even if you could, you'd simply be addressing a symptom, and not the root problem, and someone with murder in their heart could simply pick another place to do it, rendering all of that hassle and expense moot. Hell, they could shoot up the kids waiting their turn at the metal detector and accomplish the same goal. But there's also after-school sports, movie theaters, water parks, malls, popular fast-food restaurants, and tons of other "soft targets."
At some point, you have to realize that the only reasonable solution is to focus on the ATTACKERS (and potential attackers) - which also means you have to actually address bullying in schools, instead of completely ignoring it by policy as happens now. You also have to be willing to punish the problem children or expel them - the bullies, the drug dealers, the gang members, etc. That isn't happening either today - just the opposite. It's nearly impossible for such kids to get expelled or even punished, because it's not politically correct - it's the victims of the bullies who tend to get punished, which is why they are reluctant to report these incidents, and why their anger and rage builds up.
This system was BUILT and REFINED over the years to ENCOURAGE these events, rather than prevent them, because the folks running education don't want the real problems to get any attention - it would mean shining a light on the fact that the problem kids are overwhelmingly likely to be poor, minorities, or the very wealthy - all demographics they are looking to protect.
Schools around here, long time ago started with the one entrance, one exit approach. No metal detectors yet, but just like other security measures... even cars, someone could run over hundreds of people waiting in lines for black Friday or a new movie release or something.
The problem is, people could be driving through a school zone at 2am and two cars firing at each other, and that gets classified as a school shooting cause it was briefly in a school zone. Stats are padded in this way all the time.
Need to address why people feel they need to be violent, not the tools they are using.
Can you imagine how that would work since you bring stuff to school every day that has metal in it, such as piercings and braces, phones and tablets, that fake hip joint, or that titanium plate you have from when you broke your leg in 4 places? It would add an hour to each school day just going through the TSA type checkpoint. Plus you would need one at every door, even when you come in from PE or lunch.
Yes, I believe they should... My daughters high school had metal detectors and anyone that entered the building had to get checked through security, any non students in the building had to sign in and out... That's not treating students like criminals, that's trying to keep them safe and had no ill affect on the students that attended that school to my knowledge🤷
That would just be treating a symptom instead of the actual cause of these shootings. Locking the parents up gets closer to the source of the problem. If they started doing that 20 years ago there'd be fewer shootings now.
But IF we say metal detectors are the answer then why stop there? Why not put bars on all of the windows... make the classroom doors just like prison cell doors that are operated remotely. Put everybody in an orange prison jumpsuit with individual numbers so they're easy to identify. Add some prison guard watch towers...
@Lost_in_the_Woods Presumably when you put hardcore criminal gang members and experienced killers in a room together, they don't solve their problems using lawyers.
Let me ask you this first, when is the best time for a real school shooter to cause the most harm? It is actually when school gets out and people are in a huge crowd going out through a single gate. The shooter never needs to be inside the school, go through any gate or any metal detector. Metal detectors are really only effective against knives in a school setting. They are actually worse for shootings because they significantly slow down the flow of people when entering and actually make the morning entrance a prime target too since it creates a large slow moving crowd.
Yes. But also want to point out that won’t completely solve the issue, but would obviously help. Guns can be printed out at home now on special 3D printers. The kid that shot up my local school had a home built gun. Not sure if it was one of these or not.
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I was gonna agree until I read the other comments. It doesn't address the causes so no. I was gonna say yes because bus drivers stop at train tracks when there is but little chance of get hit by a train but it doesn't cost them any money to stop so that is different.
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So why not address the problem and do the mental detectors?
No. They have been shown to actually make matters worse. Teenagers who are treated with criminal suspicion are more likely to engage in criminal behavior. This is regardless of race or background.
Oh yes. Though I admit I can't think of examples offhand. I do recall the correlation between high school students being treated like prisoners and high school students ending up in prison is hard to miss.
Heh. I tried but because there was a recent shooting all attempts to search ended up just returning current speculative pieces. The stories I'm remembering were from several years ago.
As in, you can't just say we shouldn't have metal detectors AND we shouldn't get rid of guns
Right now, gun safety at schools, is ridiculously bad. and i think metal detectors would help, if they're not going to do anything about guns themselves
Nah, they should just put automatic turrets in the rooms and corridors which shoot anything they identify as a gun, that will be much safer and hopefully pick up the 3d printed or ceramic guns.
Yeah they should, those cheap fucks. And also have a cop at all schools who is ex military and has proven that they can pull the trigger on a active shooter
No, of course not. School shootings are false flag operation supported by the government, and metal detectors would not hinder government provocateurs.
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No. Firstly, guns aren't the only only metal things a person can have. Secondly, guns don't need to be metal. Thirdly, I don't think it's healthy to treat kids like criminals. Forth, I don't think it's at all acceptable to say we don't care about how a kid is feeling as long as we keep weapons away from them. If you focused on having healthy kids then then it doesn't matter what they bring with them.
It was mostly to put a damper on drug/gang activity in schools. It did for years. I don't know the status of inner city school security now but there are no drug related shootings INSIDE of schools that I've heard of for years. I think we should treat our schools with as much security as we do banks and politicians.
Metal detectors can’t make up for shitty parenting only hurt people hurt people these kids shooting up schools are just as much victims as they are villains
1. They could just decide to shoot people as they're coming in. All crammed in a detector queue just makes them easier targets. And where would they run to? Inside where they'll be shot easier, or stay outside with the gunman and hope he can't shoot them?
2. It'll cost billions of dollars, that schools simply don't have and will be pushed back on. Since they can't, we foot the bill, and I'd rather my money go towards updated schoolbooks or edible food or better teacher salaries.
3. It doesn't address the causes of why people shoot. Mental health? Can't get their dicks wet? Bullying? All have different causes that won't go away with this, meaning this will stay a perpetual problem that people will have to keep paying for for no reason.
You know what might work? A metal detector with an armed security guard.
But I agree that money would do more good going to making schools better for students health and wellness.
Best way to be safe in a car accident is to not have one. Best way to be safe from a school shooter is to be good to the students and provide an environment they can enjoy.
But seriously, let's think about the metal detector thing. It would go off all the time for no fucking reason. No metal anything would be allowed in the school. Metal pens, silverware in lunch boxes, binders... It just isn't realistic.
Even if you replace all that stuff, people are going to forget all the time and the alarm will go off. People will get used to it and start to ignore it.
Smart kid will bring a spoon 2-3 days a week for 2 months, get used to pulling it out of his lunch box, handing it over and then going on to class. Then bring the gun and the spoon, hand them the spoon... And keep walking.
They put alarms on the door of my highschool so you couldn't leave. But we were smart. At first, people just waited till nobody was around and ran. Few seconds later teacher would show up and nobody was around.
Eventually they put a camera on it too. So we spent months just walking up in a hoodie, smacking it and walking back to class. They got so sick if that they turned the alarm off.
It did get people working together though. You could come back in that door too just by waiting outside till someone saw you and pinched the handle.
Point is, guns are really loud. By the time someone is at the metal detector it's too late. Knowing he has a gun doesn't help you at all unless you can do something about it. The whole school is going to hear you get shot. What difference does the alarm make?
And again, what would it do? Armed guards are just people, and people don't tend to want to shoot them. During parkland, armed law enforcement was afraid to go in at all. And you honestly think a mall cop with a gun is willing to do it? Shooting a kid no less? Give me a break
Hate me if you still but I wouldn't think twice before I shot a kid trying to bring a gun into school.
Sure, they are victims too. They aren't born that way, but do you lose one school shooter or 30 good students? It's a no brainier. I wouldn't feel bad.
The hard part is making sure he can't just shoot the guard first and walk through the detector.
But I totally agree, that would be a waste of money either way. It would make everyone's life worse and probably end up making the school less safe in the long run.
Hopefully the cop would have done his job, but he didn't. Armed security is primarily meant as a deterrent via a threat of force. They aren't trained to the same degree as a cop or soldier is, and especially not to shoot a child, armed or not. If you think that's not the case, get an armed license and work at a school in Detroit. When a kid comes in with a gun out, kill them, see how it goes. See how it feels. That is of course, assuming they don't just kill you first.
Then all those people with C0ViD jabs would go off haba
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No need of metal detectors, America needs to get over its gun obsession. I mean, guns can be bought as easily as groceries in most states? What the hell! This isn't the wild west anymore.
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Our government is fucked... not giving away my guns
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