What should the punishment be for the Oath Keepers?

[OddBeMe]

probation

10 years

20 years

life

Medals for all the traitors

A total of 38 votes were cast: 8 girls and 30 guys. See detailed results

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+1 y

oh sorry, they planned the insurrection on Jan 6.

[abc3643]

Executions. However, since they are guilty of sedition, they should likely get 20 years each plus fines per Federal Law.

UNITED STATES CODE - TITLE 18: CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURES
PART I—CRIMES (§§ 1 – 2725)

18 U. S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

[Lochlan]

The media portrays this as an insurrection. They didn't come close to accomplishing anything and everyone blew it out of proportion. Whoever is tied to assault or murder charges, charge accordingly.
Otherwise, pharmaceuticals casually committed manslaughter of a few hundred thousand Americans over a decade and they just have to declare bankruptcy. They spend twice as much lobbying as military companies. And politicians' pockets are lined to keep a destructive system of human life instead of logical regulated drug policy.
Who are the real insurrectionists of the Republic?

[abc3643]

5 people died in the event and more committed suicide after.
Oath Keepers and others brought weapons and planned to use them.

They should all be executed on live TV.

Fuck not with the United States Government.

[Daniela1982]

The braindead lemmings that followed the organizers should get light sentences. The organizers should get the prison time as they were the instigators of it.

[Anonymous]

Prison time followed by community service working for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris’s re-election campaign.

[OddBeMe]

Nice

[Gal67]

God no, that would be classed as cruel and unusual punishment. I would rather go to prison.

[Avicenna]

Having to live with you and hear your leftist propaganda. What of you think should be the punishment for violent Antifa and BLM thugs?

[OddBeMe]

I’d like servants. Not slaves because I’m not biblical.

[Avicenna]

Servants is also pretty entitled, but if you must have some, be sure to pay them well and pay the payroll taxes.

[OddBeMe]

me the scion of... what was it?

[Avicenna]

C'mon, I know you haven't forgotten!

[OddBeMe]

I remember the alliteration of S’s so I imagine slavery is in it.

[Avicenna]

Scion of Segregation and Dlavery

[OddBeMe]

Oh Dlavery…damn I almost had it :)

[Avicenna]

Hehe, my finger‘s too big for the keyboard

[OddBeMe]

If it wasn’t the alliteration you fcked up id have ignored it

[Sevenpointfive]

we have to stop acting like this is 'White House Down' type of action. no one went in guns blazing.

we need to stop acting like someone won't defend themselves if a police officer steps over the line

that doesn't only go for police officers but corrupt politicians as well

[goaded]

No, they just had them stored and waiting to be brought in from just over the border.

Republicans in seven states forged documents pretending that they represented their states as electoral college electors in order to overturn the election but, no, it's the Democrats that are corrupt.

[Sevenpointfive]

@goaded any politician can be bought. we need to get rid of the system

[OddBeMe]

If it were BLM invading the Capitol as they were verifying Trump’s win, how would you feel?

[Sevenpointfive]

maybe chicago was a test for the democrats? to see what they could get away with

[OddBeMe]

Chicago? Did I miss something?

[goaded]

"any politician can be bought. we need to get rid of the system"
If you mean unlimited spending by politicians or rich people on elections, I agree. If you mean the first-past-the-post elections, you won't get any argument from me. If you mean democracy, I strongly disagree.

Do you think AOC has been bought? Her whole point is that she doesn't take large donations, so she can work twice as long at her actual job of being a representative.

Some of those 1990's Democratic politicians need primarying, but half the 2020 Republicans need locking up for breaking their oaths of office.

[Sevenpointfive]

not chicago. i meant philadelphia

[goaded]

... spending by *corporations or rich people...

[loveslongnails]

Same as any group or person who organizes a failed coup. Since deaths and injuries occurred, I think 20 years is fair.

[grega239]

The cop who shot ashli (a trump supporter) walked

[loveslongnails]

@grega239 The cop was defending himself and the employees and Congressional members during an armed insurrection. Her death was unfortunate, but she was part of a mob whose intent was at best, violent takeover. This was not like shooting a burglar coming through window at night without firing a warning shot.

[grega239]

Defending himself? From a 5 ft. Nothing woman.
Armed? No. They had no guns so thats a lie.
Violent intent. Stealing a podium and shitting on a desk is not violence

[loveslongnails]

@grega239 Go watch the hours of video and tell me there was no violence. You're as blind as Ron Johnson. The Capitol was under attack, unfortunate things happen, especially when you have absolutely NO business being there in the first place.

[grega239]

No i won't watch hours of it because what i already watched was being lied about.

[OddBeMe]

@grega239 May I ask, do you get as mad for Philando Castile or Jacob Blake?

[grega239]

Not sure i remember castile.

Blake. The guy who had the cops called on him because he assaulted his kids mother, refused to comply with the orders of the cop and got shot when he reached for the knife in his car. No.

I did get somewhat mad when blm and left wing media tried to make it look like he got blasted for nothing.

[loveslongnails]

@grega239 Obviously you're full of shit, because there are hours of video that show how violent some of the mob was, and who they attacked. The entire mob doesn't need to be attacking in order to make it violent. It was certainly violent enough. Like I said, you're another Ron Johnson.

More importantly, you totally fail to see that it wasn't a peaceful protest. You fail to acknowledge their intent, which was not simply to shit on a desk. Things like this are not a joke, nor is it another tourist day at the beach.

[grega239]

1. Whos ron Johnson?
2. When have i said that it was a peaceful protest. I said it wasn't an insurrection. It was a riot.
Their intent? Looks to me their intent was to vandalize and intimidated like antifa and blm.

Yes it is a joke. The fact that you insist on calling it an insurrection is a joke.

Because if it was an insurrection, america would currently be on fire and a civil war.

It was a riot nothing more. Stop being such pussies

[loveslongnails]

@grega239 Oh, so the word bothers you? Will the fact that it gets proved to be organized by trumpanzee allies make it an "insurrection"? Guliani admitted as much under oath. But that's irrelevant. You don't know Ron Johnson? LOL He's your hero. Look him up.

Their intent went far beyond vandalism, by their leaders own words. Guess you haven't read that either, since you can't find violence in the videos. Lord only knows if Pence would have ended up being hung, if they got him. You sure don't know.

It's all going to come out. You'll see.

[grega239]

No. The redefinition does.
You already know it will be proven?

Ok. Let me explain to you why i dont see at as an insurrection. America has 350 million people in it. The capitol riot had a few thousand participants.
2. If an insurrection happens, i expect a warzone not a football riot. The capitol wasn't even in flames like wendys was.

Why would they hang pence?

Since you're so well informed, how many members of the oath keepers group were there?

[loveslongnails]

@grega239 I'm not here to debate minutiae with you, but I've read different reports - 2 stacks, one with 5, one with 2, and a 2 person back up. But again, I don't care about the specific number of that one particular group. 13 of them are now indicted, I believe the current number is.

But since you brought up "definitions", here's the controversial law being applied, 18 U, S, C.2384
" If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

The Oath Keepers defense is that they didn't "hinder" the execution of any laws, they were "peacefully attempted to influence Pence's decision and have him throw out Biden's electors".
The prosecution will argue against that, and say regardless, they seized and took property of the US Government, with the intent to do blah, blah, blah. They will seek to prove it was organized in advance, and remind the court that only 2 people are required for a conspiracy.

Now we're just wasting time, so - good day.

[MarkRet]

The ones involved in the destruction of federal property, injuring or killing a security officer should be stripped of their citizenship and forced to leave the country.

[TsAubreyKate]

If your gonna give someone life just put them down like a sick dog and sell their organs that’s totally legal by the way you can buy inmates and sell their bodies

[OddBeMe]

Give their organs to immigrants.

[TsAubreyKate]

Same for immigrants once their here you can claim them for profit no one will mourn them but maggots

[OddBeMe]

funny i'd trade all trumptards for immigrants any day

[TsAubreyKate]

So trump for you is like the patriots for me as in I dont hate them just their fans

[Anonymous]

I can think of a few.
Make them all watch fifty shades of grey. With fangirls.
Send em on a tour of the finest restaurants. With vegan guides.
Make them accounts here.
Actually... I don't know... third one is a bit harsh...

Send them to a blind orgy. Don't tell them who's a crossdresser.

Got plenty more. :)

[SaoirseS]

Let the courts try them and, if convicted, sentence them.

[SaoirseS]

Rhodes and 10 others were charged with Seditious Conspiracy last week. The indictment lays out a strong case against them.

[Surely]

Is Ray Ebbs an Oath Keeper? Since he is still walking around scott free. Or was he a plant to create the unrest at the capital to make the Trump supporters look bad.

[OddBeMe]

Does he have an eyepatch? If so he in jail

[Surely]

@OddBeMe. Eye patch, no! He is on video in-sighting the people to storm the capital. But the Democrats won’t have him arrested! Makes me think he was a Democratic instigator plant.
Goggle his name if you don’t believe me!

[OddBeMe]

1) it’s Inciting
2) it’s Ray Epps
3) he’s not a gov informant
www.al.com/.../...tol-is-not-an-fbi-informant.html

[Surely]

@oddbemeThen why isn’t he in jail with the rest of them?

[OddBeMe]

Let me check my notes from the last Justice Dept meeting…oh right I wasn’t there.

[Anonymous]

They should be hung at the gallows they erected to hang mike pence.

[OddBeMe]

funny how Pence just bent over to these people. what a guy.

[Jackblue]

After the democrats shook hands with the rioting BLM insects and allowed them to take over Seattle, I completely support Jan. 6th, they harmed no civilians unlike the brutal leftists. They should be pardoned and all the BLM should be in cuffs.

[msc545]

So it's ok that they killed cops?

[Gal67]

@msc545 Which policemen were killed on the 6th of January? Name them.

[msc545]

@Gal67 Look them up yourself - I imagine you can use Google, and I don't take orders from you.

[Gal67]

@msc545 I don't use 'Google' (I use DuckDuckGo), but since you're so certain of this you should be able to name at least ONE. That's not much to ask if you're actually telling the truth here, but since you can't...

[msc545]

@Gal67 As I said, I don't take orders from you. Do your own fucking research.

[Gal67]

@msc545 Well, it seems you've been caught in a lie, and that's why you're so upset with me. Oh dear. What a crybaby you are.
It's okay to admit to being wrong about something you know. It isn't the end of the world. :)

[msc545]

Apparently the whole knows something that you think is false. Do you live in a cave or something?

[Gal67]

@msc545 Oh, the whole "world" knows, do they? And yet it's so well known that you can't even give me a single name. Go away child, you're wasting my time!

[msc545]

It's not my job to provide the news to you. If you don't know go find out on your own.

[Gal67]

@msc545 NO police officers were killed on that day as a result of the "fiery, but peaceful protests". Stop telling lies here msc545.

[Gal67]

@msc545 Go crawl back into your safe-space liar, and live out your delusions there. And stop watching MSNBC.

[msc545]

Yes of course that's complete bull bulshit and I'm really tired of engaging with you. You need professional help for your delusions.

[Gal67]

@msc545 1. It isn't bullshit.
2. You're the deluded one here, not me.
3. You can't name a single policeman who was killed on that day by the freedom-loving patriots.
Checkmate loser :)

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 Capitol cop Jeffrey Smith killed himself after being beaten by fcks on your side. I think we can chalk that up killed in the line of duty.

[msc545]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick

[msc545]

That is for you, Gal, you obnoxious POS.

[Gal67]

OddBeMe - "... your side". I'm not on anyone's "side" here; I just don't like dishonesty, and if someone decides to make a claim here, they had better be able to back it up. Msc545 couldn't do that, so that's why I started to tease him.
As for the suicide you mention, I DID ask for the name (s) of any policemen who were killed ON THAT DAY, by any of the demonstrators, not suicides later on that may, or may not, have been linked to the events that took place.

[msc545]

@Gal67 I note you are ignoring the death of Brian Sicknick, asshole.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 I love when they change the rules on you to justify killing cops.

[Gal67]

I wasn't justifying anything; simply stating facts, which is something those on the extreme left don't seem to have a problem with distorting to suit their own agenda.

[msc545]

Depends on their individual crimes, but I think even 10 years would be sufficient, provided they didn't participate in killing Capitol police. Some of them did, in which case a lot more time is appropriate.

[Slartybartfast]

They should be buried in secret so their graves aren't violated. Preferably while still alive.

Traitors and insurrectionists need to be hanged publicly. Jim Jordan, mat gaetz etc need to hang with them.

[Anonymous]

Two years of community service, they can work at homeless shelters, help distribute food, ring the bell at Salvation Army kettles at Christmas, work at the Humane Society, help build Habitat homes, clean government buildings, help churches Oath Keepers can help the Jahovah Witnesses pass out the Watchtower pamplets in Walmart parking lots. They can spend the weekends camping in Trump's yard at Mar Largo.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Considering all the property damage, revolt against government authorities, the injuries and death caused by the masterminds of the rebellion.

His sentence should be at least a decade in federal prison with another decade of probation.

[Avicenna]

Rebellion? Seriously?

You know, what would you sentence Antifa and BLM to? Asking for those 60 injured Secret Service agents who were assaulted outside the White House during the BLM Rebellion in 2020.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Avicenna: Antifa and BLM who destroyed property and started building fires if caught should do heavy time too behind bars.

[Avicenna]

LMAO, nah, they almost always have charges dropped against them if charges are even brought against them in the first place.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@Avicenna: The Capital has a ton of cameras and a whole bunch of law enforcement came vs the rioters in the streets which mostly happened at night and had their face covered..

[Avicenna]

They have no problem catching who they want to catch. Antifa and BLM are arms of the Democratic Party, so the taking the knee FBI (also an arm of the Democratic Party) won’t be used against them.

[jshm2]

They get to testify under oath and punished for lying under oath.

Thus exploding their American minds, as they don't understand irony.

[LingyRolls]

For punishment it should be revealed who they work for. Watch the FBI get shut down in one week lol

[anylolone]

What ever the punishment is for their particular crimes.

I'd say ray epps gets life unless he cooperates.
Remember, cooperating with the authorities only gets you leniency if you surrender evidence on bigger fish.

[Waldoe]

no punishment, Americans have the right to Protest and the right to bear arms... if they had fired a gun, they should be prosecuted for that, but NOT for exercising thier Rights...

[Anonymous]

Wow, you are really invested in being completely wrong about everything huh?

[Opinion Owner]

Even if all people involved in Jan 6th are Oath Keepers that does not mean that All Oath Keepers are whatever.

Logic is clearly not a strong area for you.

This is an obvious and feeble attempt to attack and discredit Oath Keepers.

Oath Keeping is about protecting the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, nothing more.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I think we all should just forget about Jan 6th and move on with our lives

[OddBeMe]

Yeah. Maybe go back to Benghazi for like the 1000th time.

[EnglishEuropean]

UK here. Plotting to prevent the peaceful transition of power is worse than murder in my book. I'd throw away the key.

[neeeeeeeko]

I don't even know who these people are

[Guffrus]

Well, dont allow OddBeMe to define who what they are because he doesn't have the first idea what he is talking about.

Do your own research.

[OddBeMe]

@Guffrus he's right, do you're own research. But guff doesn't like me bringing logic into arguements.

[Guffrus]

@OddBeMe Im sorry but at this point you have completely departed from reality.

I have literally just brought your logical failings to your attention.

I am the one presenting logic, you have done no such thing.

You are so fucking pathetic that Im embarrassed for you.

[Gal67]

OddBeMe - You mean, do "your" ("you're" is a contraction of "you are") own research, and bringing logic into "arguments" (not "arguements").
Yes, I'm pedantic.

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 my god... I'm gonna kill myself now. How could I make such a mistake. Its over... its all over...

[Gal67]

Is that sarcasm, or are you serious about killing yourself? You know, you can go to this place where your poor English can be fixed. It's called a "school", and you'll have a lot of fun there with all the other children :)

[OddBeMe]

@Gal67 yes I'm kidding.

[neeeeeeeko]

This is hilarious

[OddBeMe]

@neeeeeeeko Listen, we tolerate his craziness because it’s sometimes funny. Eventually it’ll get sad. So I apologize on his behalf.

[Guffrus]

@OddBeMe 'we' ?

Come on buddy, grow a pair of nuts already.

Don't try to pretend that you are more than one person, like that means that what you are saying carries more weight.

This is what we call an 'argument from popularity', its a logical fallacy and totally meaningless.

Of course, just because your arguments are complete bullshit, doesn't mean you are necessarily wrong, just that if you are right you are right for a reason you dont understand.

In this case you're right about one thing; I am funny, but dont presume to speak for me. I am more than capable of speaking for myself. You should already be aware of this of course as I have been destroying you and your imaginary friends all day.

[SlightlyEccentric]

You're still calling an insurrection?

[OddBeMe]

Yeah. Liberals call spades a spade. We don’t pretzel ourselves just to sleep at night.

Would you rather we discuss Benghazi or emails for the 1000th time?

[normalice]

Exile. Send them to Russia.

[LegendaryIcon]

life in prison, no chance for parole

[BillyBalls]

Have they been convicted?

[OddBeMe]

Well we’re speculating. This isn’t a courtroom.

[Anonymous]

Have they already been convicted?

[grega239]

What insurrection?

It was at best a riot.

[Gal67]

The what? Who are they, and what did they do?

[Guffrus]

Oath Keepers are police and military personal who have reaffirmed their commitment to the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms and sworn to act against the state in the event that the government tries to dearm the population.

It is nothing what so ever to do with Jan 6.

[Gal67]

@Guffrus Okay, thanks. I'd never heard of them before. Now I'm wondering why 'OddBeMe' wants to punish them, because what happened on the 6th of January wasn't an "insurrection", but a "fiery, but peaceful protest".

[Guffrus]

From what i can see its because he is a total fucking moron.

[goaded]

They had firearms stockpiled just outside DC in case they "needed" them on Jan 6th, and the election had nothing to do with the 2nd. amendment. I guess they forgot the rest of their oath, to protect the constitution (not the president or their favoured party) against "all enemies foreign and domestic". (They're the domestic ones.)

Let the coward know that if he wants a discussion, he's free to unblock me.

[Sevenpointfive]

@goaded actually you both can be domestic

[MrTaboo]

What did they do?