Race is a weird thing. It's like, "Hey, I probably know what continent at least one of your ancestors came from." With the mixture of human beings throughout contemporary society (gene flow), especially in Western society, I think the term is becoming less and less relevant. "He's got black in him." or just "He's got more than white in him." will probably be said until either massive gene flow occurs, or we lose massive portions of our populations in certain areas.
Whether or not it should be dropped, no matter its inherent issues, I would say probably not. Keeping track of social issues through demographics is very important, and perceived or assigned race is a social variable that has proven to be worthy of interest. At the very least, we would need to come up with an accurate replacement, like descendant of indigenous African's before the past 600 years for black folk, and good luck for Hispanics/Latin (a/o) s. The vast majority of them are extremely mixed, and are the descendants of indigenous American's. There are many black, European, and Asian Hispanics as well. I would just call them peoples with indigenous American ancestors below the Rio Grand River, or from areas that were not part of the U. S. A. before the Mexican-American War. And Hispanics would probably need to check off more than one box, like Indigenous European Ancestry, and Indigenous African Ancestry.
I'm getting too deep into this, but I'll just leave it as, no. We need race as a social indicator when we measure social issues, at least until we replace it with something better.
I really couldn't care what race you are. If you're a good person, kind considerate, friendly, open and loving. I'm all for you.
If you feel to share things about yourself it's appreciated, it enders me to you. But that's it. No judgement nothing. I like to learn but I also don't pry because it doesn't affect the friendship. Friends bond for lots of different reasons.
Race is the tiniest factor in my book. I mostly see people. The colour they are is much like, the fact the people have different or similar eye colours.
Me too! And I wouldn’t even mind someone calling themselves something relative to “race”. Kinda like trans pronouns. But as a govt or official grouping, it’s meaningless.
Race is now only an American thing. This derives from the fact that American sociology defined ethnicity a century ago. The Weberian conception is followed all over the world. Max Weber, who defines "ethnic" human groups that shared "the subjective belief of a common origin", regardless of the existence or otherwise of real parental affinities. In the United States, the concept of ethnic group soon took on a different connotation. The tradition of American studies, initiated by Robert Ezra Park, founder of the Sociological School of Chicago, defines ethnic groups not on the basis of community representation processes, but in relation to objective data that characterize them - skin color, religion, and to the urban context in which they are inserted. Therefore in America Race is defined as the American version of ethnicity which, however, is not subjectivized, but objectified by others. Take Mexico alone, there are 62 different ethnic groups of natives, there are the European Mexicans, there are the Asian Mexicans, the Arab Mexicans, the black Mexicans, and the mestizo Mexicans. For Americans, a Zapotec, a Tzeltal, a European Mexican and an Arab Mexican are part of the Hispanic racial group, even if only perhaps the European Mexican is. Why should a Peruvian (of any group) or Chilean (or any group) or a Brazilian (of any group) living thousands of miles away with completely different cultures be classified as ethnically Hispanic and put into the cauldron of Hispanics he has nothing to do with?
When it comes to humans, yes. With humans, the most you get is ecotypes and clines, when you even get those.
Here in brazil we don't even have enough to classify anyone as an ethnicity. We have "cultures", and even that barely has any metastability in it's short time scales.
And with technology that allows fast travel, the whole world will become like that.
I find funny israel talking about limiting immigration to preserve the culture and purpose of the nation. In 50years, palestianians will en mass start identifying as jews and israeli jews will have changed so much as to not be much of a difference. I'm not saying that's a reason for open boarders, that would be stupid, specially with the still genocidal intent all around them in levels to make hitler blush. (and illegal trade, human slave trafficking, etc...)
jews from 50 years ago were a way more restrictive concept than they are today, 50 years from now it will make that change seems pathetic in comparison.
What should be dropped is many Americans backwards uneducated 100 years behind the times approach to people of different 'races'. As for the ideology itself well...
Race is defined in every species, from moss to elephants, as geographic, physiological or genetic variation within that species but which is not a subspecies. There's races within caribou for example.
So race is the proper word.
Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid are RACES within the homo sapien SPECIES that developed SEPARATE physiological traits DUE TO their varied geographical locations DIFFERENT from each other.
It **IS** racist, in ways, to say otherwise because then you're denying reality. Anyone who says someone who is Japanese is the same as someone who is Nigerian is a moron of the A+ brain-damaged level. AND RACIST.
There is nothing wrong with having different races. It is just people need to stop thinking they are better then someone because of race.
Pretending race doesn't exist is the reason black people were ignored for 400 years in America. What happened was put all other races out of mind and worry about the advancement of 1. Instead we need to learn to understand eachother and accept we have similarities as well as differences based off of our races and learn to be more open to understanding these differences so we can be more compassionate to them.
How would white people understand how our hair works and the different type of struggles from it, or the diseases that we have from genetics if we just pretend there is no such thing as race. Instead people need to educate themself about races properly.
I’d say the exact opposite. The idea of race shackled the enslaved. Whites considered the black race inferior. They weren’t pretending race didn’t exist.
The color of skin was different and facial features were different did this.
so because of that we were labeled as animals.
They didn't care about anything but we looked different.
Deformed people were exiled from tribes because they looked different.
Even though they were the same race. So would pretending race didn't exist matter?
People have eyes. They can see people look different pretending race doesn't exist won't magically change that we are different skin color and features
If we pretend race and color differences don't exist would it matter? Ireland are the same race and they decided to be prejudice base off of where they are born instead of color because they are the same. Italians from Sicily are hated for being more naturally tanned. Hate is hate. Having different races doesn't cause it. People who hate causes it. The racist will always be racist because of our skin color no matter how you choose to label it. But race matters. Instead pretending it doesn't exists is why people have no clue. Education causes less ignorance.
Absolutely. But racists ain't going to drop it. The key ideal behind racial supremacy is the concept of a pure race. And no matter how much proof is given to them showing just how silly that notion is, they cling to their superstition.
"You see all of those different ancestries in each of these groups," Bryc explains. The average African-American genome, for example, is 73.2% African, 24% European, and 0.8% Native American, the team reports online today in The American Journal of Human Genetics.
Really it’s something that was created to keep nonwhites down so really continuing with it just keeps what they started going of course as humans we’re pretty much idiots and we always have to feel superior and get even when this is just part of that creation I mean who are we getting even with the people are long gone or how are we superior to one another when we’re just doing someone else’s bidding when really it’s these politicians and rich people that are doing their best to keep feeding the fire and us lower class citizens that are getting burnt and don’t fool yourself there’s no more middle class and the cops are the rich peoples henchmen
Yes, but not to the ignore the actions of people who won't.
I've just had a three week conversation on here with someone who kept saying there are biological differences between races and genetic groups, but refused to say what affect that should have on people's behaviour (the correct answer is "none"). For some strange reason, I think they thought that people should be treated differently because of their race or sex.
It's the same stupid argument used over and over. "You're being racist for pointing out that racism has led to negative consequences for black people." "You're being sexist for pointing out that sexism has led to negative consequences for women". It's the same argument for "Antifa started it"; AntiFa wouldn't exist if there weren't fascists for them to be against, and their support is practically non-existant when fascism is a excluded minority.
I don't know if I'll dive into a full on debate about the topic but I do just consider that race shouldn't matter and "in a perfect world" everyone should get along. Wishful thinking as it is, but honest.
While I believe that race is a social construct, it also is a reason why so many cultures exist today. It's how we identify culture. Biologically, we are all the same, but our way of life, our thoughts and briefs, those are all different. Doesn't mean we can't share cultures but culture itself is a special thing that belongs with certain races. For example, I live in Japan and the Japanese are very open about sharing their beliefs and culture, but I'm not going to identify as one of them just because I go to the temple sometimes and wear a kimono lol.
@notwoke When I say biologically, I mean constructive wise. We all have hair, a set of eyes, a heart, brain, etc. Focusing on hair color and eye shape is a bit nitpicky though. Because I'm Latina with wavy brown hair and someone else who comes from the same country might have very curly black hair. Does that mean one of us is not Latina? 🤷
yes, minor difference, but neither of you or any Latina for that matter will ever be able to compete with the best black runners/hurdlers, just like there are things Latinas./Asians/Whites will naturally be better at due to anatomical differences. That's what I was referring to but I feel you.
Race is a social aspect, not biological. If you're White or Black or Asian then you belong to some social group based on your appearence. I think it won't be dropped, because people want to FEEL they are part of some group. For example: USA differs Latinos as a race, even if, from a biological point of view it can't be a race (some Latinos are more White, some are more Black, and some are more Native Americans - it's not one thing) it's only a social construct, but has no sense when it comes to genetics.
I think there's enough phenotypical differences between people to group them into races. Yes there's a lot of over lap and the total differences within one may be greater than between but you can still see a physical difference, especially between the major groups.
Socially, race doesn't matter, but genetically, it can. For example, Sickle Cell Disease was an evolutionary trait developed in Africa to defeat Malaria, so it is a disease exclusive to black people.
This doesn't mean you should treat black people differently in social settings, just that doctors should be able to make a faster diagnosis when considering the genetic background of race.
Seems environmental “We compared the genetic profiles of African Americans with sickle cell disease to those of Black Africans and Caucasian populations of European descent and found that they are less genetically admixed ” www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3116635/
You need to be a lot more clear about what exactly you mean by that. For example, are Census and crime data no longer going to include race? Will race no longer be a protected category in civil rights law? Will universities and employers be banned from keeping records of the race of their employees/students? Will racial discrimination lawsuits be banned?
I'd say not quite yet. The idea of "not seeing race" is often used to justify ignoring racial injustice.
I think we would need to cut some of the tensions and double standards before we are able to put race behind us.
And it doesn't help when you get things like "'white' people shouldn't wear 'black' hairstyles" which I find utterly obnoxious and almost always coming out of the mouth of a middle-class white girl.
It should be de-focused, in favor of cultural behavior.
race is relevant for some issues possibly, like health, dietary choices, possibly in education. In general, it's family, environment, education, emotional state, culture that make the difference, not race.
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It should be, but it’s Democrats that keep it alive because they need the black vote. Proof of it is when LBJ said “I’ll have those ni**ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years. Not to mention the over 100 years of Republicans fighting bill after bill. And before that Democrats keeping blacks as slaves, but they don’t want you to know that. Just like they don’t want you to know that in Nov in 1922 Washington post ran an article saying the world is going to be over because of global warming. It’s why they tear down statues. They rewrite the past to keep up their ruse.
I don't think we should drop the idea of different races. There is a difference between them, and there's no hiding it. But instead of being racist about it and saying a certain race is better than the rest, we should celebrate all races and treat them as equal, because even though there are different races, we are all human and therefore all equal.
Why would the powers that be ever give up on the idea of race??? It's so satisfying for them to put each race in a particular square box, and assign negative or positive traits to them, use these against them or for them, so that they can continue to exert their power. Real Estate, education, government, health care, corporations, law enforcement, etc. Alll of these in some way or other, rely on these little boxes, to further their agenda whether for good (rare) or for bad.
Scientifically there are 3 main races:Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. People have different levels of their traits in them. I believe Indian should not be considered as a race as there is a lot of mixing due to it being the most invaded country in history. Indians from different parts look very different due to different environmental conditions and invasion.
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True. But I certainly don't think the westerners would say yes on this issue. They officially see people as almost second-class citizens because of their RACE and religion. But on the other hand, without the concept of race, people would be confused as to where they are from. Complex situation.
we definitely should cut the bullshit of finding racism where there is none. It's not because of racism that less Asians are NFL linebackers or that less blacks are nuclear engineers. There are genetic differences between races, that's why they are different colors, hair textures, eye shape, etc.
Race is a 19th century pseudo-scientific theory to define humans by physical appearance. It is a defunct concept yet a widely followed construct. It is a convenient way to divide people into tribes that are easier to control by the political overseer class. There is one race, Homo sapiens.
There is a little scientific difference but it's mainly health related, as different races are more prone to certain diseases. Other than that, yes. There's no point to have race in any other context because all people really use it for anymore is an excuse to control others.
I personally would say yes, up to an extent. Nowadays when I look at people, I don’t even notice what “race” they are. People are people. We are all human beings from the same race, and I find labelling someone as one race or the other is pointless.
Perhaps you meant you wish the US was an ethnostate rather than globally, but we were all the same colour to begin with. We all adapted to our local climates.
Skin tone appears to evolve in response to heat and UV. White skin is an adaptation to cold climates with little sunlight, allowing more absorbtion of vitamin D.
As for the native Americans, they're brown skinned, not black. America is also a very large place, some areas it will make sense to have dark skin, some areas it will make sense to have light skin.
There is nothing wrong with identifying people by race or culture as long as it’s not objectively abusive. How else would we describe a person in a crowd?
Yeah, cause races are biologically different. Even if you wanna bullshit that the 'social construct' of race wasn't a thing at the time, which is also wrong, different races existed back then as well. Different races didn't just pop into existence 500 years ago. It's stupid to say that there are no biological differences between a European and an African, an Asian and a native American.
No, we use race to describe the difference in the way certain people look from others or even psychological differences. What is wrong with recognizing difference?
There is scientific difference. And how would you go about dropping it? I agree it shouldn't be a FACTOR in your daily life, beliefs, or ideas, but at the end of the day, if you have eyes, you brain will compartmentalize without your control.
Well that depends on what you mean. The idea that race has any factual basis should be dropped. But there’s still discriminations and social impact because of these ideas and they should be acknowledged.
Most Asians are lactose intolerant, how you process alcohol varies based on race, some races are predisposed to certain disease, different levels of melanin effect how you absorb vitamin d from the sun as well as your risk for skin cancers. Tons more
Again, I’d argue it’s most likely environmental. There’s been no scientific study that shows race as they only or any reason. It’s veiled compartmentalism at best.
Could care less to convince you. Probably the easiest one to find and for you to understand would be how alcohol consumption affects different races. If you don't think different levels of melanin effect how you absorb sunlight then I can't help you.
@OddBeMe Its not the only factor but it definitely is a factor.
Or for another example people with darker skin don't get as much Vitamin D from sunlight as light skinned people and the latter get suburns more easily.
Besides it would be pretty weird if humans were the only land species separated by seas for tens of thousands of years that needed to adapt to changing environments but wouldn't have developed racial differences like say American foxes Vs European foxes.
Race is something that is literally in our dna, combinations of gen that changes our bodies, it's not arbitrary. What we call these gen profiles is arbitrary, we have simply decided to call it "race".
The idea that different human genetic clusters both exist and exhibit sizable biological differences in physiology and behavior isn't just opinion: it's scientific fact.
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There is one race but we need diversity quotas. Isn't that ridiculous?
You can take a home DNA test yourself. I am not sure how much they cost. But they pull up your racial percentages from your genes. And it let's you know about potential illnesses you could get. Like lots of Africans get sickle cell anemia I belive its called. But pretty much only those of African decent get it.
Which results in differences between people. And those differences are fairly big. Stemming all the way down to things such as disease susceptibility and immunity. Big reasons like that are why we keep it in health forms and such.
There is though... you can see it through appearance, IQ statistics, sports statistics, etc. There's correlations. Even in music. There's like no white rappers and even less Asian rappers.
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