They've always existed, the internet just gives them a way to congregate easier. It's sad because those communities have become extremely toxic.
I think there's tremendous value in men having spaces to talk about men's issues and how improve themselves without women trying to get involved. The problem is that the channels got away from men's improvement and is no focused on complaining about women.
It's funny how all women have this image in thier head that mgtow are men who just get rejected by women. Let me tell you the vast majority of mgtow are men who got fucked financially by divorce court, another large chunk of us are men who watched divorce fuck our male family members and freinds and were smart enough to say fuck that to marriage.
so let me tell you ladies mgtow is not the fault of men, you caused it through your bad behavior. Contrary to how T. V and other media portray men, we aren't stupid. We are quite capable of analyzing a situation and adapting. And mgtow is our adaptation of how our society structures It's laws and how women behave.
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All I know is that MGTOW has devolved (or at least is devolving) into a weird group for men to share their disdain for women, similar to how certain Feminists have turned their movement into borderline misandry.
Basically: "How many things can I blame on men/women before thinking about what I might be doing wrong?"
Modern feminism and the unfair laws. That said MGTOW is a passive protest. It mostly a threat to the government and female dreams. The last because the odds to get what they want goes down the drain. The lack of female responsibility and seeing the consequences in a large picture is basically none existant.
Men can't fix a problem they are excluded from fixing.
I'm not sure what 'societies' you're on about. But as far as MGTOW as a general idea, I think that can be attributed to a combination of 2 factors, 1) a bunch of dudes realizing what they get out of relationships with women amounts to a lot less than they put into those relationships, and 2) some dudes admitting it on the internet, and lots more just agreeing with the notion.
I had to look up what it was , Id never heard of it. I dont think its any of those answers , but a core group of individuals who now have a platform , and probably their major grievance comes from loss of control and entitlement , but I dont think your choices there represent the answers.
It doesn't matter. As with all conflicts, who started the war is irrelevant. What is relevant is that war is upon us and only those ideals worthy of survival will prevail. The true strength of MGTOW/pill is that men are more than capable of surviving on their own. In fact, they prosper quite well in these conditions. Women claim to do the same, so now we'll see if their bark is as big as their bite.
Women abusing men with divorce and stealing their earned assets, along with women stealing men's children and turning them against their fathers. Too many false accusations likely contributed to it as well.
Those are the only legitimate reasons I can think of.
Mix of A and B. MGTOW is basically the male version of contemporary feminism, which is mostly made up of women who just want to bitch about men. From what I've seen of MGTOW, they do the same shit just against women instead of men. That said women do have way higher standards than they did back then, whereas the standards men have really haven't changed... hence why I'm saying it's a mix.
Judging by your poll options which have nothing to do with mgtow, it’s clear you don’t know what it means, who is a part of it, what it actually is, and what it strives to accomplish.
I’ll give you a hint: it has nothing to do with sex.
As a 5'5 guy, I'm involuntarily made for the pill communities. Women just generally have an overwhelming height requirement, and I was too short to make the cut.
We all have our preferences and our pros and cons. It's better to approach each one of us as a new opportunity to find what you are looking for rather than think we all don't want you because of your height 😊
There's a lot of reasons but I think a big part is media and this new wave feminism. It's convincing women to overvalue themselves and set unrealistic expectations.
Probably both high standards because of social media and dating apps which made 90% of men sexless and miserable. But redpill is a stupid ideology anyway along with bluepill. Reality is a lot darker than that
Seems a lot of these MGTOW guys are just young guys who have trouble getting a girlfriend or just older guys who maybe were treated badly by an ex. Can you imagine the situation a lot of guy's find themselves through the actions of a cold ex. Divorce, being cheated on, losing contact with their kids, losing their family home, having half of everything they earned through years of work taken to be given to the person that betrayed them, forced to pay alimony to support their bitch ex, child support for kids they don't get to see, false allegations made against them, jail time if the lose their job and can't pay alimony and child support and to top off being replaced in your ex's life and kids life by another man or a revolving door of wood be step fathers. The legal system is very gender bias against men. Usually MGTOW is just a phase and these guys either need time to heal or find a girlfriend. Also a lot of these Incel guys and mgtow guys are raised by single mom's, same with women porn stars and other sex workers.
@ragooo8 right we can acknowledge there are real problems especially in the courts... but these men are being led astray by far right groups taking the opportunity to basically turn them into white supremacists just about...
Women who think men should be held responsible for everything wrong in this society, who blame them constantly, and those women who think men owe them something.
The legal system. Literally. There has always been natural bachelors. Certainly a lot of those today are MGTOW, nichola tesla surely would have been.
But most aren't natural bachelors, most were produced by lawfare and court abuse facilitated by feminist laws that completely disrespect the legal principle of parity.
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They've always existed, the internet just gives them a way to congregate easier. It's sad because those communities have become extremely toxic.
I think there's tremendous value in men having spaces to talk about men's issues and how improve themselves without women trying to get involved. The problem is that the channels got away from men's improvement and is no focused on complaining about women.
It's funny how all women have this image in thier head that mgtow are men who just get rejected by women. Let me tell you the vast majority of mgtow are men who got fucked financially by divorce court, another large chunk of us are men who watched divorce fuck our male family members and freinds and were smart enough to say fuck that to marriage.
so let me tell you ladies mgtow is not the fault of men, you caused it through your bad behavior. Contrary to how T. V and other media portray men, we aren't stupid. We are quite capable of analyzing a situation and adapting. And mgtow is our adaptation of how our society structures It's laws and how women behave.
Who knows...
All I know is that MGTOW has devolved (or at least is devolving) into a weird group for men to share their disdain for women, similar to how certain Feminists have turned their movement into borderline misandry.
Basically: "How many things can I blame on men/women before thinking about what I might be doing wrong?"
Modern feminism and the unfair laws. That said MGTOW is a passive protest. It mostly a threat to the government and female dreams. The last because the odds to get what they want goes down the drain. The lack of female responsibility and seeing the consequences in a large picture is basically none existant.
Men can't fix a problem they are excluded from fixing.
I'm not sure what 'societies' you're on about. But as far as MGTOW as a general idea, I think that can be attributed to a combination of 2 factors, 1) a bunch of dudes realizing what they get out of relationships with women amounts to a lot less than they put into those relationships, and 2) some dudes admitting it on the internet, and lots more just agreeing with the notion.
I had to look up what it was , Id never heard of it.
I dont think its any of those answers , but a core group of individuals who now have a platform , and probably their major grievance comes from loss of control and entitlement , but I dont think your choices there represent the answers.
These doctors who are pill happy and prescribe lots of medications I know I'm one of the patients
"Yeah doc, I need some black and red pills as the blue ones aren't working for me in this society."
@ez-bri-z Yes, I do agree with you
It doesn't matter. As with all conflicts, who started the war is irrelevant. What is relevant is that war is upon us and only those ideals worthy of survival will prevail. The true strength of MGTOW/pill is that men are more than capable of surviving on their own. In fact, they prosper quite well in these conditions. Women claim to do the same, so now we'll see if their bark is as big as their bite.
Morons started it, to keep people hating each other.
Remember 1980s and 1990s racialism was rare. Then a certain person became president and brought USA back to the civil war
Women abusing men with divorce and stealing their earned assets, along with women stealing men's children and turning them against their fathers. Too many false accusations likely contributed to it as well.
Those are the only legitimate reasons I can think of.
Mix of A and B. MGTOW is basically the male version of contemporary feminism, which is mostly made up of women who just want to bitch about men. From what I've seen of MGTOW, they do the same shit just against women instead of men. That said women do have way higher standards than they did back then, whereas the standards men have really haven't changed... hence why I'm saying it's a mix.
I think they always were there but the internet made them much worse
Judging by your poll options which have nothing to do with mgtow, it’s clear you don’t know what it means, who is a part of it, what it actually is, and what it strives to accomplish.
I’ll give you a hint: it has nothing to do with sex.
Read my post with globetrotter and you'll see the full explanation.
As a 5'5 guy, I'm involuntarily made for the pill communities. Women just generally have an overwhelming height requirement, and I was too short to make the cut.
Imagine being a 5'10 woman and not the cutesy image guys want. I feel your pain but admittedly guys do have it harder.
On the plus side, my youngest brother is only 5'4 and he married a blonde high school cheerleader so there is hope for everyone.
I don't see the problem of a woman being 5'10, but it's always the 5'10 woman that has a problem with me being 5'5.
My wife is 4'11. I'd have 0 problem dating a guy who is 5'5. I'm used to being taller than guys. (Yes I do date guys, we are poly)
Wow, my respect. I wish more women thought like you.
We all have our preferences and our pros and cons. It's better to approach each one of us as a new opportunity to find what you are looking for rather than think we all don't want you because of your height 😊
Thank you so much, I agree whole heartedly.
There's a lot of reasons but I think a big part is media and this new wave feminism. It's convincing women to overvalue themselves and set unrealistic expectations.
Probably both high standards because of social media and dating apps which made 90% of men sexless and miserable. But redpill is a stupid ideology anyway along with bluepill. Reality is a lot darker than that
A bit of A but also a lot of far right demagogues stoking their frustrations and hatred making it far worse. Like those in the MRA movement
Seems a lot of these MGTOW guys are just young guys who have trouble getting a girlfriend or just older guys who maybe were treated badly by an ex.
Can you imagine the situation a lot of guy's find themselves through the actions of a cold ex. Divorce, being cheated on, losing contact with their kids, losing their family home, having half of everything they earned through years of work taken to be given to the person that betrayed them, forced to pay alimony to support their bitch ex, child support for kids they don't get to see, false allegations made against them, jail time if the lose their job and can't pay alimony and child support and to top off being replaced in your ex's life and kids life by another man or a revolving door of wood be step fathers. The legal system is very gender bias against men.
Usually MGTOW is just a phase and these guys either need time to heal or find a girlfriend. Also a lot of these Incel guys and mgtow guys are raised by single mom's, same with women porn stars and other sex workers.
@ragooo8 right we can acknowledge there are real problems especially in the courts... but these men are being led astray by far right groups taking the opportunity to basically turn them into white supremacists just about...
Women who think men should be held responsible for everything wrong in this society, who blame them constantly, and those women who think men owe them something.
The legal system. Literally.
There has always been natural bachelors. Certainly a lot of those today are MGTOW, nichola tesla surely would have been.
But most aren't natural bachelors, most were produced by lawfare and court abuse facilitated by feminist laws that completely disrespect the legal principle of parity.
I hate taking pills but it is better than getting a shot.