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I do not think they are mentally ready to and should go through required therapy to do it. Our bodies are still changing up to a certain age. They could do more damage then good, depending on when they start
I mean yes its really a matter of opinion/religion but kids should be able especially if thats what they believe and they SHOULD"NT be judged for what they believe in cause it doesn't make you any less of a human.
kids don't know themselves and don't know what they believe. you're too young to know anything important about yourself
@007kingifrit Im sorry But Excuse me?
i think i was pretty clear. 14 year olds don't know themselves. you can't know yourself at that age
@007kingifrit How would you know? And by the way being transgender is a bid step and they know what they want to make that choice
how would I know? i was 14 once kiddo!
and no they DON'T KNOW what they want. 95% of people who claim to be trans grow out of it... last Thursday was de trans awareness day afterall
if a child is even thinking "changing" their gender or going by certain pronouns, their parents have failed at raising them properly.
and the school has attempted to teach them evil pseudoscience
Can someone that young really understand enough about life to make a decision that will affect them for the rest if their life? I wonder if transitioning youth is more the parents' idea than the child's.
They are to young and have not fully developed as a individual to truly know if they need such a life changing operation. They are not capable of making these decisions till there an adult. For anyone to encourage a child to do this is in fact child abuse in my book.
They should have to wait till there 21.
When I was a kid I wanted a penis really bad, being 23 now I am so glad I don’t have a penis. Kids change their mind all the time!! When they’re an adult THEN they can transition. Our brains aren’t even developed until age 25. As a society we should protect those who are underaged and not encourage rushed thinking! If my mom actually let me get surgery to get a penis when I was like 11, I would be so fking upset right now
Our brains get developed at 50
@Sexylesbian should read this
This is such a complex discussion because kids develop at different ages. So to have an age that that assumes they could make a decision that's best for them based on understanding the risk involved is not exactly fair either.
Nah. I support the bill. Hell even 18 is too early in my opinion.
Maybe it should be banned forever. Any age is early before daying.
before dying
They shouldn't be allowed they're still kids, if we listen to kids for everything then no kids are going to go to school.
They should send them to therapy.
Trans people changing their gender is not hurting anybody so why not? Let them live their life. We all only have one.
That’s not what this bill is about. All it’s about is mandating that PARENTS be informed by the school if they are questioning their gender. Why is that a problem?
@globetrotter22 ok now im confused. What you're saying the bill is about and the question and additional details shared by the question asker differ. It looks like Im going to need to do some research on this to get a better understanding on it.
@wheresmrcunnunglis yes please do that. There is a bullshit huge lie going around right now this is a “anti gay” bill. It’s not! Please research it before stating an opinion.
it hurts all of us. it takes female scholarships for sports. it gets women raped in prison, and it damages our culture by having everyone put pronouns on their profile creating a societal division that leads to conflict
it hurts so much it should be illegal
@007kingifrit not to mention you got convicted pedophiles reading children storybooks at libraries. Also you had school districts trying to arrest and silence a rape victim’s father because of this crap.
@007kingifrit Youd think the trans people would be the ones getting r---d as a result of them being in prison with horny women who have never seen a peen in forever. At least the ones who may not have transitioned fully down there which I shudder to even think about.
Pronouns is nothing new and has something that has been presented since before the 2000s. Well at least the notion that we as human should be referred to in a binary way ( he or she ) solely.
After doing a bit more research I do believe that one should be able to transition once they are of legal age and even then. Once they turn 21 so that they can truly feel confident that they want to transition as I still consider 18 and 19 ( I'm from the US ) as a kid when it comes to certain things.
That's all I got for this topic. y'all have at it as I'm honestly not that passionate about this topic to go further. I just want trans people to stop being targeted maliciously and killed without anyone batting an eye at it.
“ Youd think the trans people would be the ones getting r---d as a result of them being in prison with horny women who have never seen a peen in forever.”’.
Seriously? That’s so insanely far off.
I can tell you right now if I was offered to serve a prison term in a women’s prison vs a men’s prison I know what I would choose. Without a doubt lock me up with the women. Sure the conniving and psychological behavior would be punishment. However the chances of getting beaten up and/or for real raped would be zero to nil. Also even though I might have to lower my standards (most female inmates aren’t exactly models) I would mind having a steady supply of vagina in jail. 99.99% of other guys would feel the exact same way.
wow you're delusional @wheresmrcunnunglis they're still men, they're still stronger than the women... and it's quite clear they are the ones doing the raping.
transitioning only makes people sadder. because they are living a lie. it doesn't reduce the suicide rate of trans Even 20 years after gender reassignemtn surgery the suicide rate of a trans person is 20 times that of a normal non trans person; and this research was done in highly accepting environments journals.plos.org/.../journal.pone.0016885
@007kingifrit it’s funny how the trans movement literals defies feminism. Both movements can’t co-exist.
It’s some people are so obsessed about being “woke” that they will embrace something that’s completely counter to their own existence.
How do you know you are 100% trans without going through puberty? I also dont understand why adult women are not allowed to get sterilisation in many western countries but kids are allowed to ger transition?
Because politics in democracy is run by sensational media narratives, which is why a few people spend so much money trying to control said narratives in culture and news.
If you think things are bad now, you should have seen what it was like before the internet. Nobody knew anything and most people believed what little they told because there was no way to know any better.
We don't let kids get tattoos for the same reason. This is doing permanent things to their bodies while they aren't old enough to make these choices. Puberty blockers and hormones during puberty are permanent treatments.
Depends what you mean by that. Do you mean they should be allowed to take hormones. Then the answer is "NO"! I don't even think parents should encourage the child's uhm..."situation". Love the child of course. That is a given. If the child reaches 18 and still feels they're a different gender, or species, or whatever. Then fine! Now they can do whatever they like.
I support it.
We don't even let kids get tattoos, so why in the fuck would we let kids begin chemical and physical body modification, especially when its 80% of young supposedly trans-people turn out to just be gay and confused? Setting the age to 18 just like everything else makes perfect sense.
What parent would let their kid that's under 18 get a sex change in the first place?
Transgenderism isn't real, it's just mental illness and fantasies.
Truth
You are daft, then. Kids can't drink, drive or vote. But you seem to think they magically know what is going on with their bodies?
How many heads do you have, gimp?
When I was around 14-16 I hated myself. I didn't like any of the changes but I learned to love myself. My parents didn't say oh if you don't like yourself change they offered support.
Good, it will give them more time to realize no one is "in the wrong body" and that having surgery just to please people who stereotype personalities, is dumb.
No, I think you should be 18+ before having this kind of surgery. Fully developed, although a lot of people are still immature at that age but that's a different matter.
i think it should be banned period. studies show it has no impact on their happiness. Even 20 years after gender reassignemtn surgery the suicide rate of a trans person is 20 times that of a normal non trans person; and this research was done in highly accepting environments journals.plos.org/.../journal.pone.0016885
Transgender is a sign on a mental Illness. If your DNA says that you are a guy but you think that you are a girl you obviously have mental Problems. You need mental help not hormones or Surgery which is Permanent, which ends up causing more suicides.
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Well kids also aren't allowed to get tattoos til 18 or drink til they're 18 either in fear of making an immature choice they will regret.
So if your gonna complain about not being able to transition, you also need to complain about the 18 plus tattoo age limitKids can't make choices for themselves
i dont think minors would be mentally prepared for that because transition is tough and takes a hell lot of time
Kids should wait till they are old enough to process the consequences that will follow
A child cannot make long term decisions like this on their own… anymore then a parent pushing this on their children should be allowed children…
I 100% support LGBT but kids aren't equipped to make a decision so big when they're under 18, even under 21. It's a biological fact, their brains are not fully develop to be able to make a decision as important.
Someone in their early teens isn't qualified to make such a significant decision.
No, it's Child Abuse, kids are confused at that age and can easily be due to Peer Pressure. Any parent (s) who gives their kid permission to cut their genitals off simply because they feel like it isn't qualified to be a parent. These are the crazy times we live in.
But I believe there is too much propaganda influencing confused teens that its normal. Its not normal its a very rear and unusual mental illnesses
That said if they go through therapy and the therapist says its needed then they should be allowed.
Pressuring and grooming minors when their mental faculties aren't fully developed for such a major decision should be considered abuse.
Never thought it that way; I can see how it can be viewed that way.
@Jltakk
Exactly!
Maybe if they regret it after 18 like tattoos. I don't care if people are trans because it gives me better chance of going into girls lockers. I don't care if they can't either though because being boy or girl won't change our friendship, men aren't the only ones who wear pants. Only reason I would is because free drinks as a girl
I support that bill 110%. I dont think any kid out there is old enough to know what transgenderism is and if he/she already thinks they are considered one then he/she is already in extreme danger
One thing I'm sure of: the decision should not be left exclusively to the parents of the child. Your child is not your property.
They may not be property but as a parent you are responsible for them and the decision's they make up until they are 18 years old.
@SahmDhude The difficulty involves "responsibility" being a loaded term. To a father in a cult, it may be his "responsibility" to ensure that he physically examines his daughter's virginity. The idea that parents should be able to impart their values to their children comes from the idea that their kids are "theirs", and it's unreasonable for anyone to tell anyone else how to raise their kids.
Treating your child as someone different by default allows for a healthier and less controlling outlook.
Nope, i don't support it at all, not for kids and not for adults, i don't support the whole lgbtq+-×÷= community
What would you do if you discovered your 15 year old son was gay?
Well he ain't gay and if he was than i'll be pissed and it will be nearly impossible for me to accept it, call it what tou want but that's the truth, i'm being honest with you...
I won't hate him or deny him but it will be very hard for me to act as if it's something normal but thank god we are all straight 100% in the family!
According to law, age of majority is 18, and many legal choices cannot be made by minors, to include VOLUNTARY COSMETIC surgery. No, no one under age of majority is capable of making voluntary surgery choices.
There’s no such thing as transgender kids they’re confused they don’t need operations
Well there's biden for you, his perverted ass is already messing with children 😂
I think it's a great idea. I'm tired of adults trying to groom children into degeneracy and regret.
People can’t even get nose jobs or implants til 18+ soooo I don’t really see how this could be much different
0.03% if the population... not my problem. My blue balls is a bigger problem.
Oh, De Santis made transgender kids illegal? God bless this man. It's a good start. He needs to make ALL trannies illegal outright, no matter their age.
I actually agree with the bill.. They aren't mature enough to make such a serious decision
you need to have some maturity before you can do things like own a gun, drive a car or cut off your pecker. makes sense to me. 21 would be even better as you still don't have any sense at 18.
I think it's damn right logical. YOU THINK at 16 year old's brain in OKAY? First of all if you are trans then you are mentally ill and should go to the doctor so he can give you a special pill.
At 16 the kid brain and body are in a state of flux, The body will largely finish around 18-20 depending on sex, the brain won't finish until about 25.
90% of kids who think their gay end up straight both, their bodies just needed a little more time to finish. It is child abuse akin to letting your kid play in the busy street to let a doctor do this to them at that age.
No. Leave the kids out of this madness. And you know what they say, transgender kid is like a vegan cat. We all know who's making the lifestyle choices.
I support the bill, kids should only transition before 18 with the consent of both parents and only after puberty.
And I'm being nice there, because I'm usually against cosmetic procedures in kids.
Just substitute "transgender" for "transable."
Yeah they should be allowed to transition...
Transition to child protective services that is.
I can’t see why this is a debate. Let them decide when they’re mature enough.
nobody can decide basic facts about themselves. besides gender reassignment surgery doesn't make them happier or lower their suicide rates. it's a false promise of happiness. it should be banned for all ages
Even 20 years after gender reassignemtn surgery the suicide rate of a trans person is 20 times that of a normal non trans person; and this research was done in highly accepting environments journals.plos.org/.../journal.pone.0016885
@007kingifrit it’s a case by case thing.
no it isn't that's a cop out answer. there are universal principles to life and humans making it very easy to form a one size fits all answer
Sorry, no, children are not mentally equipped enough to make that choice. I support the bill. Children whose parents push transitioning on them should be locked up if not given the death penalty for child abuse.
Im glad the those of us with a brain voted the same..
Outside family mind yer own damn business. Florida is all about control. Over and over with them. Big brother all up in it. Funny how when control suits people it’s fine.
As long they're able to say this is what they truly wanted 3 years later.
right because every 14 year old who wanted a tatoo is totally certain they wanted the same thing at 17
most genderists don't reverse their decision until it is too late. but 95% of people who claim to be trans do grow out of it
Parents don't need to be giving their kids hormones and that kind of bullshit, and don't need to encourage or inspire their child's body dysmorphic disorder.
Trans kids usually only take puberty blockers, the actual transition happens when they become grown ups. This is nothing but yet more virtue signalling from the Right.
Absolutely not. I'll take the downvotes for being "transphobic" on this. Adults regret their transition. Children are definitely not grown enough to make that decision.
You should only have a sex change after you're 21 and you meet other medical requirements. Sex changes also shouldn't be on the NHS either.
Simples...
I think they should be allowed on hormones but I don't think surgery should be allowed till 18
Hormone treatment also has long lasting effects, even for adults.
@RagnarRedbeard there's not much research on it for cross sex HRT but from what I've read the risks are only slightly elevated and not very different to cis people who require HRT. As for the effects of what happens because of the HRT I don't think majority of trans people care. The tiny % that do are people who detransition and that was a self evaluated risk they took when deciding to go on HRT.
There's plenty of research, people have been using and studying the effects of steroids for decades and the negative long-term side effects are well-known. The long-term side effects are stronger for children who are still developing and are going through puberty. Those who claim that it's reversible are lying. It might not be as permanent as surgery or as severe or whatever, but the effects will still be long-lasting, and these are children we're talking about.
@RagnarRedbeard research on steroids? Or testosterone specifically? If you're reading research on steroids then that isn't valuable information... It's a rather broad topic. What about estrogen? I'd love to read what you are referring to.
of course not. hormone blockers have permanent damaging effects just like surgery
I could go digging for links but when you have basic knowledge of how the hormonal system works it's pretty simple to explain and hopefully understand.
All anabolic steroids are testosterone-based, they're designed to mimic the effects of testosterone. Bodybuilders and athletes will often use different ones depending on their goals, each has a slightly different effect and different side effects. Many will just use straight testosterone anyway.
The way all of them cause damage is by disrupting the hormonal system, otherwise known as the HPA axis. The hormonal system works in a feedback loop, mainly between the hypothalamus, the pineal gland, the adrenal gland and the reproductive organs. Each of those glands releases a certain amount of a hormone which influences each of the other glands in order to maintain balance.
Once you introduce synthetic hormones the whole system goes haywire as the body attempts to rebalance the hormones. Some will go into overdrive while others shut down. With steroids or just synthetic testosterone for example the HPA axis senses a rise in testosterone which shuts down the testicles, while also increasing the rate of aromatisation which is the conversion of testosterone into estrogen. That's where the myth that steroids shrink penises comes from, but they actually shrink balls.
This can cause damage to any one of those glands, which then has a knock-on effect on the others long-term. The longer this goes on the more damage is caused, and the damage is irreversible. This also causes all kinds of other negative health effects.
@RagnarRedbeard that's showing the effects of excessive testosterone in biological males. Which is irrelevant to this discussion. If you're not going to provide links to studies then stop talking.
Yeah, I'm not gonna spend time digging. Like I said this is about the way the entire hormonal system works, so it's not irrelevant at all. Of course, more damage is caused by higher doses but this happens even with a mild dose, so it's not only about excessive testosterone.
@007kingifrit The effects of them are 100% reversible. All they do is prevent the body from going through puberty , as soon as you are off them puberty starts up as normal, they are recommended to only be taken for a year or two (to prevent long term side effects) then the person can start puberty as their biological sex or decide to go onto hormones.
Puberty blockers aren't only used for trans youth. They're used for precocious puberty, IVF patients, treatment of prostate cancer, endometriosis and fibroids.
no the effects of hormone blockers are not 100% reversible. where did you hear such nonsense?
Kids should be allowed to live their lives without adults confusing them so much with all of this sexual bullshit.
Hold up, what's this bill?
I've only seen the one that bans discussion by teachers or a third part on gender identity/sexual orientation in regards to K-grade 3.
Точно нет. Только в западных цивилизациях мать позволила бы такую чепуху. Конечно, ЛГБТК+ возникла в Северной Америке. Где еще найдешь таких идиотов?
What?
She basically said that this BS only happens in western society and that parents in Russia won’t allow it
@WhiteBoyChill
Not even after 18?
@Vivaldi not even at 18. gender isn't real. trans don't exist
Doctors should NEVER agree to perform these sick-minded mutilations on ANYONE of ANY age. And the people WANTING these "procedures" need to seek psychiatric help
They do. You have to seek psychiatric help in order to even possibly qualify for these procedures.
@CheeseMonster OK, well I obviously meant "to seek psychiatric help" to get them to realize the insanity of their desire to try to become the opposite sex
A lot of people do that for them for free. They don't have to go and pay a psychiatrist just to get that.
@CheeseMonster Actually, I've heard (a long time ago) that all anybody really needs, is just a few good conservative-minded and moral-minded friends to converse with, to keep them mentally healthy. So a shrink would be totally unnecessary
Yes... that's kinda what I just said.
No. These perverts should stop harassing people's children.