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Seriously, there are people that think kids less that 18 years old who may be suffering from some type of mental illness, social anxiety or deep rooted insecurity about their gender should be allowed to transition?
20 years ago this was not even a thing... but today its being promoted by all types of organizations and its messing with kids up.
I have no idea what this world is coming to, transitioning may treat the symptoms of social anxiety, insecure or even potential mental illness. But it will not cure the cause of the discord, or may your problems go away, actually it may create entirely different problems that a minor has no preceptive on. Once you transition it is not something you can come back from, which means you can never get back to who and what you really are, or truly love who and what you were born to be... and you will live the rest of your life consciously or subconsciously knowing the real truth. And those around you will know on some level and that will directly and indirectly of potential negative impacts on you through out your life.
Lets be honest we are talking about scientific manipulation and medical mutilation here, just because someone is insecure about who and what they really are. It is very sad to me, and its traumatic and painful to see. I know parents that have kids as young as 8 years old talking about being a transgender and they have not even had their first kiss. And they are getting it from other kids, and schools are promoting the concept. People just do not realize how easy it is to socially engineer children and really mess them up in their heads.
I am heterosexual and I thought girls were nasty, all the way up until puberty and then every thing changed. But what I didn't have was someone telling me that its okay to not like girls and I can be with boys, or become a girl if I wanted to. Its a lie honestly you can't decide some things for your self when nature has already decided for you. But in todays world that is what is happening, and it is really messing these kids up.
No, they definitely should not, and it’s not cruel either. This isn’t for some reason of being anti trans kids or something though. That sort of rational should be completely separated from this bill. Let me explain:
1.) A full transition is a lifelong choice. I’d have to dig for the specific stats (that I took notes on in a psych of sex class in uni), but it’s no secret that the trans population has a higher suicide rate, and it’s extremely higher for those who fully transition and want to (but can’t) transition back.
If a person transitions without being absolutely 100% confident in that decision, it could cause a permanent mental issue for them. There have been cases of people thinking they identified as one way only to realize later on that they really didn’t feel that sort. Fully transitioning is already highly discouraged for minors, and many doctors won’t do it— It’s really in kids’ general best interests to have a bill that stops this.
2.) Kids are swayed by their environment more than adults and lack mental maturity to make these sorts of decisions. Media, friends, etc… there are influences that can instill a sense of false confidence in a decision. It’s obviously a decision one self should make, not the parents. Being the person is a minor though, they are still under parental supervision. A child doesn’t always know what they want though.
Furthermore, it’s not like there are not options for kids who have gender dysphoria. One doesn’t have to be fully transitioned to feel a different way, and there are blockers/medication to do more of a “soft transition” of sorts that is still reversible. However, full transitions, being that they are lifelong choices, should be left until the person knows better what/how they want to live their life truthfully.
In my opinion they are just kids, kids make mistakes to learn from them but not something like transitioning. Mental health is still a really big problem that would make it worse cause if they get older then decide they want to be what they was born as, and if they don’t have the finances (cause situations do change as you get older depending on the way you live life growing up) to get the surgery to reverse the procedure then they might self harm or even have mental health problems due to a decision that their parents let them make when they was still a child. Parents have to have a talk with their children that want to transition and let them know everything that come with it. Kids learn from what they see on the internet and that is the problem nowadays because they have easier access then ever to whatever they want to know, They want to follow other people cause that might be considered a trend to them everyone else it doing so why can’t I mentality, then make there own decisions not realizing that the people making them are adults and have experienced life way more than they have. Kids need to be kids before they become adults wishing that they was still a kid again
Yes, they should be able to start the process. There are things that can be done like clothes, hair, name for children that better aligns with their identity as they age. Hormone blockers while seeing a psychologist are also common in these cases until 18 years of age which are reversible. Do there are things that can be done to start the transition before 18. That way the child doesn't have to experience puberty in the wrong gender. I am a cisgender woman and I cannot speak on trans issues but they have the right to a healthy and safe transition. I am a huge advocate and supporter of LGBTQA folk.
I never ever once said anything about forced. Just that if someone is experiencing gender dysphoria there are reversible ways to do it. As an adult what you choose to willingly do with your body is up to you.
genderism is a religion, not a science. you can only take someone's claim of their gender identity on faith. you can't demonstrate it empirically.
so you are damaging the natural and healthy childhood development for... a fad
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It's not creul. It is a sane response to minors potentially feeling pressured to make decisions with lifelong consequences before they lack the maturity to truly make good decisions for themselves.
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@SynthKobra I appreciate your kind words.
Well I would argue there’s never an acceptable time to be transgender
@WhiteBoyChill I agree, but the question was only asking about minors, so that's why I answered as I did.
Ah ok
@WhiteBoyChill I agree with this.
@OlderAndWiser Are you paying people to give you likes? I basically said the same thing as you and got 5 while you get 29. LOL
@Daniela1982 I don't understand it. But it's nice to be appreciated!
It is indeed and you've earned it with your great answers. :)
@Daniela1982 . . . and you and I almost always agree!
Honestly I have no idea, so I will defer to the trans community.
The issue is that it is a pretty big change and the reasoning comes pretty much entirely from the minor. So I feel it would need a psychiatrist's prescription at the very least. I would say parental as well, but I know many parents of trans kids insist on acting like it isn't a thing. But yeah the evidence for the necessity of a transition would have to be strong enough that one or more adults would have to legally vouch for the change. But as far as I know, they already do this. So I would see absolutely no reason to restrict it beyond that.
Because the other problem is that with transitioning, the earlier the better. Like if the confidence is high enough early enough, then the ideal time for a MtF transition would be before puberty. By the time you are 18, so many changes have already happened that it's hard or even impossible to reverse them all. FtM transitions at least have the advantage that male characteristics can be tacked on at almost any time. It's just the male puberty transitions are often more skeletal and therefore irreversible without significant and dangerous work.
according to these studies 90% of kids who claim to be trans grow out of it Lebovitz, P. S. (1972). Feminine behavior in boys: Aspects of its outcome. American Journal of Psychiatry, 128, 1283–1289.
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so no...
furthermore. gender is a pseudoscience concept that has no place being taught to anyone. nobody should be allowed to transition
I am not well informed on transgender topics, I know the procedures work better when people are younger, which is unfortunate. I also know some people have regret their transition later. I don't know any of the percentage, how much better does it work, how many regret it.
Ideally a child should grow up to be conscious and independent enough to make this decision completely prepared. We don't even allow a tattoo before 18, this is a little bit more impactful. If a mother claims this on their 8 year old child, I would highly doubt the mother's claim, since I didn't know shit at 8 years old. So there definitely needs to be a cut-off point. At 8yo, I would say it's the parents who want it, not the child, that's a no from me.
When does this change?
Is 18 the right cut-off point? Is someone who can't drink or have sex, watch sex even, fit enough to make such a life altering decision? Taking all this in consideration, having a bill propose to delay this until 18 does start to make sense to me.
I have actually been dealing with this issue for the past 3 years. I have a very influential daughter that was a very girly girl as a young child. When we changed her schools in the 5th grade because of a move, she got involved with the wrong crowd. Yes kids don’t share everything, but as a parent that pays attention to your child you know them. And you can tell what’s up usually. Well. This crowd of people who were her friends and her people turned on her. She has claimed to be trans… I have zero doubt that she is bi-sexual but trans, I don’t think so. I don’t believe that a child knows until after 10-13 and that’s when they know. I don’t agree that We as a society should make them wait until they are 18 either. I would definitely say that there is no set age whereas every single person is different in developing into the person they are going to be, and hell we all know that we are forever chanting as a person. We are too worried about labels. Don’t put a label on yourself because you only pigeonhole yourself into a position that you might not be able to get out of. Labels should be thrown out. Let the person grow up and develop into who they will be. Don’t set up strict boundaries and just let kids grow up and then define who they are. So going back to my child, she wanted to fit in and that is the new thing is to claim that you are trans or bi, and it is a detriment to all of the people that are actually going through the stress and struggles of being trans. It’s just very hard to be a parent these days.
No. What kind of sick fuck abuses children like this? I 100% support that bill from degenerate filth. I don't have an issue with trans-people until they start doing fucked-up shit like this! They can't have their own kids, so they want to fuck up other people's kids. As if trans-people don't already have a 40% suicide rate.
I know not every one of them are evil scumbags like this trying to permanently damage children, but way too many are fine with using children as political props and metaphorical "victories" for their agenda. Stuff like THIS, is what hurts the LGBT+*#Up-down-left-right-hold-A-press-start community.
Damn, Florida seems to be doing EVERYTHING right these past couple of years. They're like the anti-California.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. If some kids are certain and have their minds set on transitioning then I think it is a bit unfair to hold them back but at the same time they're very young and they may not understand the consequences of their actions. If they transition but then decide they're unhappy with the transition then they'll regret it.
What they certainly need is a community of support and loving people in their lives they can trust. We need to keep them away from the toxic and harmful people who are transphobic and have nothing better to do with their lives except criticize people for their decisions. They're not hurting anyone so people need to mind their own damn business.
Well i don't support them at all since i believe that the real thing is only between a man and a woman, they can be what ever they want but i do not support them at all and if you ask me, are they wrong? Well for sure they are!
@TonyMetal___86 You don't have to support them but you have to respect them. It's also certainly not okay to hate transgender people or just generally trash talk them. That's what I mean by some people being transphobes. It's the same as being racist or bigoted in any other way.
I'm not 100% comfortable with calling people by their preferred pronouns because a lot of them do grow out of it. I wouldn't want to encourage them to transition and then resent me for it later. That's why I would try to call them by their name instead. You still shouldn't go out of your way to call someone something you know they don't want to be called.
@Cherry234 i do respect them because they have a soul and they are god's creation, but nothing more!
Why would i hate them as long as they are not hurting me or doing anything wrong to me?
Still they must respect me too and everyone knows that the real thing is only between a man and a woman...
@sirderpsalot123 Agreed. I'm not sure how I feel about calling a person by his/her preferred pronouns if that person hasn't fully transitioned or if one of my family members or a friend transitioned. I probably wouldn't be 100% comfortable with it either.
@Cherry234👍🏻👍🏻
This is why I'm anti-LGBT. It's shit like that group that fills the minds of our children with poison. Kids shouldn't even be exposed to such gargabe, let alone be allowed to "transition". There is no such thing as transitioning. Either you're born a man or a woman. No matter how many hormones or surgeries you will go through, it won't change the fact you are what you're born as.
And now the LGBT community is targeting kids (easy targets) because they have a hard time getting through rational thinking adults. If that's not PREDATORY, then I don't know waht is.
This is heresy beyond belief, since it's true.
There are no such things as "trans" kids. There are kids groomed into a demonic lie by pedophiles messing with their heads. And make no mistake: the only party that was hurt by this, are raging pedos, who already have to answer for the blood of over 6,000 children slain by their "transition" drugs, yet keep crowing about how they have a "right" to endlessly add to that number!
If anything, the Florida law doesn't go far enough! It should ban ALL "trans" demonism at ALL ages, and serve up the death penalty for those caught doing it to children! Dry sponge! Full wattage! Public spectacle! Much rejoicing!
If minors cannot make major decisions, like sign contracts or give consent, then they SHOULD NOT be allowed to transition. Parents shouldn't make that decision on their behalf either. Only when they are a legal adult should they decide what they want to do with their body. It makes no sense why a parent would decide to make a major decision on the behalf of a child that doesn't even understand the magnitude of the situation. There's nothing that can explain that, or how parents male encourage their children to become a "drag queen" because they decided to pick up a doll. This amount of wokeness ruins the lives of the children first and foremost, but also destroys society. I have nothing against drag queens or transgender people, but goddamn it DON'T FORCE YOUR BELIEFS ON KIDS. Let them do that on their own. If they do, whatever. If they don't, whatever.
I think this is something we really need to have a national (hell, planetary!) dialogue on. The approach of unthinking affirmation and social media-driven reinforcement is working WAY too hard on pushing people who barely understand what gender is into major medical decisions that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.
I don't have all the answers, but I've seen how harshly people get smacked down for even asking questions, and I know that anything that allows no discussion or debate isn't doing it for good reasons.
If a kid isn't old enough or mentally mature enough to engage in consentual sex, they aren't old enough to be mutilating themselves through physical surgery and chemical castration with lifelong consequences. Gender reassignment surgery and treatment is also a completely ineffective procedure in terms of reducing depression and suicide in people who suffer from what's often called gender dysphoria.
The overwhelming majority of kids who used to "feel like the opposite sex" grow out of it on their own, just like kids who want to be or act like wild animals. Some just turn out homosexual, for the rest it was basically a phase. This insanity and undermining of child development in the family has to stop immediately.
I can see you´re point that you say it´s cruel but I also think that there should be an age limit for that because you can´t transition back, right? There are a lot of things you shouldn´t give a kid even though he/she says they will use it in a responsible way.
Like what if a boy asks you to get him a gun or rifle would you buy one if he pleads with you saying everyboy in the class has gone hunting already and he´s the only one that hasn´t. Is that enough to let him use an actual rifle not a toy one?
A transition comes with a huge response and the persons needs a 100% sure that he or she wants to do that. In my view an underaged kid can´t take that responsibility because they normally don´t have the majurity to think through the consequences of it and are therefore more likely to rather be talked into or talked out of it by parents or adults.
Bad example lol. My brothers had a gun since he was 14… I’ve handled guns since I was 9. Otherwise 100% agree with your comment.
@VanillaSalt My bad then, I come from a country where you can´t purchase a weapon until you´re 18.
Oic ya didn’t think of that my bad.
I support the bill. The truth is that some parents do push their views onto their children before their child is old enough to think for themselves. Parents that do so also mold their parents at an early age. It's not something people like to talk about and some a very, very quick to sweep it under the rug or deny it when the subject is brought up. But that does not change the fact that it is true.
A good example is racism. We are all born on a clean slate. A lot of people who are legitimately racist had parents who pushed their racist views onto their kids at a early age. Also it's a practice that has been in families for generations.
"Kids" don't have the maturity to make these decisions. They are swayed by social media people that being male or being female is what is right for them, when they themselves can't get their own shit together. I would say there should be no transitions allowed until they turn 18. Then they can become the tooth fairy if they want to be.
give the alphabet soup people all the time possible to repent of their sinful lifestyle. i agree with the bill. Some of these poor kiddos are being groomed by their perverted parents to become lgbtqs. They shouldn't be allowed to perform self abuse operations on themselves until 21 in my opinion.
Self abuse and cutting yourself is a sin, so castrating yourself to pretend to be the opposite gender is obviously a sin. The Bible says not to cut yourself nor tattoo yourself. So obviously self-castration is wrong.
As someone who is a transgender female and started to figure out who i truly was at 6 those of you who dont support the bill have no idea what its like to be a transgender, we are beat, discriminated, killed, tortured and more its hard so yeah kids should be able to start their transition and im not saying let kids have gender reassignment surgery but accept them for who them are, damn conservatives youd probably disown your kid if they found out they were a homosapien
no 6 year old has ever started to figure out who they are. and you aren't trans. nobody can be trans as gender doesn't exist.
you are just vulnerable to this new religion of genderism because it specifically targets teens. that's what it is. a religion
I read these opinions and sit back and realize that a lot of these folks are screwed in the head and this is what it has come to. I believe it’s a man and woman right to do whatever they please but since when did folks loose sight of saying that certain things are wrong and this is definitely one of them. You let your kids have to much say so and this is what happens, the end up cutting there dicks off and saying your a girl now or they cut there tits off and say it’s a boy. #1 you cannot change what you were born as # 2 raise your kids to be men and women that they were born as. There is no blurring the lines folks, you are what you are.
You don’t just grow up at the age of 18! There is still a lot of growing going on after 18. They are just finding out who they really are and where there life will lead them! No child should be able to make a decision like that. Let the child grow up and live life and see what they want later. People always change their minds about everything. Especially a child. Their minds aren’t developed enough to make that choice. That’s like letting a minor consent to sex!
So you didn't really know what your gender was until you were an adult?
I believe it is said the brain doesn't finish developing physically until about 25. Intellectually it can take a good deal longer.
(Cheese monster) of course we all know what our gender is! Your either male with a penis or female with a vagina! Just because you don’t feel like being a male or female and want to be the opposite that doesn’t mean you weren’t born what your were born with! You will always either be born male or female! But CHILDREN should not be able to make the choice to transition until AFTER they have fully matured and can really know what it is they want! Period! They will ALWAYS be MALE OR FEMALE the only thing thing different is how they feel, what they want to look like, how they want to dress etc…. But they will still always have either male genitals or female genitalia!
Okay. So you think that kids shouldn't be allowed to decide what they want to look like, how they want to dress etc…. Because they may change their mind when they fully mature? Or have I still misunderstood.
They can decide how they want to look or dress at a young age! The question was should children be allowed to transition! And a decision like that shouldn’t be made until they are and adult and fully aware of the life they face by that decision! Minors can’t consent to sex, buy alcohol or tobacco! They definitely shouldn’t be able to make life and body altering decisions until they are older!
Oh, so you're just for restricting the permenantly body-altering possibilities until 18, not for restricting all the rest of transitioning until then. That makes a lot more sense.
How you said it at first, I thought you meant that kids don't know what gender they are or that they should be legally forced to live like their biological gender until 18. I should have paid more attention to the rest, my bad.
That is a valid concern. I think the difference is that it's a medical thing for trans people. All those other ones are just for fun, except voting, which affects a lot of other people and doesn't affect your health.
A closer comparison might be when kids decide to have other elective surgeries, like a spinal fusion. A lot of minors decide to have that major, elective surgery done. It permanently alters their appearance and alleviats some pain. Of course, they also need their parents to sign off on it, because they're minors.
It's still not a great comparison, but it's a little closer to the idea of medical transitioning than doing harmful recreational things is. And absolutely minors can't have things like that done without their parents' and a medical professional's support.
If you're looking for consistency, it should be tied to the age of consent in the state. I'll say this much - to some extent, it's a solution looking for a problem. This is not as frequent an occurrence as social media likes to make it out to be. On the other hand, it's not something that's going away either, especially as science makes it "easier" to disassociate your body's reproductive system from your mental/physical choice of however the hell you want to define gender.
To my mind, the Texas and Florida laws are the equivalent to killing a chipmunk by throwing dynamite into its hole. It's exactly the sort of thing I expect out of Texas, and lately, Florida. It's not going to address the real deeper issue though, rather it just makes a certain action criminal based on age.
I'm totally behind Texas's bill blocking that any 'gender affirming’ medical procedures to minor children and classing that medical treatment as child abuse be they medication or/and surgery, these children are too young to give informed consent, and I honestly believe that any parent pushing for 'gender affirming’ medical procedures to be performed are mentally ill, most likely Munchausen syndrome by proxy.
I think that is a good idea. For one I feel like it would pressure kids into having to make a decision right away. Maybe a decision that they may regret as an adult. I’m all for people being who they want to be w in reason. I mean I’m not for someone who wants to be a serial killer. But there’s a lot of things to consider there when it comes to something like this. I wouldn’t want my child being upset w me cause they felt like I pushed them into it or didn’t support them enough. I would think that should be something they should decide as an adult. I mean really the law doesn’t even allow for an 18 year old to decide whether they want to drink or smoke because they say their brains aren’t fully developed till the age of 21. But they’re fully capable of making a decision to kill someone, to serve their country, possibly die in war. Makes no sense at all.
I've met two gay guys a couple years apart who independently told me the exact same thing, that they opposed all of this for the sole reason they felt like girls as children, yet grew out of it as they grew up and liked being men who just happened to only be attracted to men.
They showed genuine fear from all of this, realizing they would have been sterilized and forced to live as a woman had they been in the care of these people who think a child can consent to something like that.
We don't allowed children to consent to sex, because we acknowledge they can't. If they can't consent to that, they sure as hell can't consent to this.
I do not support anyone trying to influence young people to make a permanent and irreversible change to their body..
Afterall. There are in fact people who are grown adults and are depressed due to having regret from making the change.
That being said I think that change should only be allowed for people over the age of 21 since that apparently is the age where people have fully developed brains and by then know what they want in life and should make well thought out decisions…
Afterall… that is the age people can legally buy alcohol.
people who want to be a different gender have already been brainwashed clearly. since gender and race are two things that you should never change, or want to change about yourself. if you do, then clearly everything is not ok. it's just dumb to want to change your race/gender for like, no reason. and they should not be allowed to transition especially if they're under 18 since they're even more gullible to this brainwashing, and will probably end up regretting it.
yea like 95% of people who claim to be trans will grow out of it. terrible thing that they mutilate their bodies in the process
I think that it is cruel to take someone who is confused and mutilate their genitalia, permanently sterilize them, and flood their bodies with an unnatural amount of hormones for the opposite sex. Doing it to a minor is inhuman. There is nothing wrong with our bodies;our problem resides in our minds. We don't need surgery; we need someone who will compassionately listen to us and help us overcome our confusion. I hope any doctor who takes part in a gender reassignment surgery loses their license; and any who do it to a minor go to prison for the rest of their lives. What ever happened to the Hippocratic Oath, to first do no harm?
No. These procedures include sterilization and that's not a decision that is reversible or should be made by a child. Children, through no fault of their own, are naive and shouldn't be allowed to make irreversible life choices. We seem to agree that children shouldn't be able to join the military and potentially get shot because they aren't old enough. Most children aren't allowed to get jobs because they aren't old enough. Most children can't choose to quit school (which is reversible). We don't let children choose to smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, drive cars, vote, sign contracts or any number of things because they are considered to young and naive to do so responsibly and yet we would allow them to go through life-changing, irreversible surgeries and/or hormone therapies? This isn't compassion, it's mutilation feigning as compassion
Lol this is so stupid... in my opinion anyone above 21 can join lbgqtabcdefg++÷ and transition etc all they want but kids? Hell no
Transgender individuals should ideally transition before puberty.
Developing primary sexual traits will only exacerbate dysphoria, so it's crucial that hormone treatment starts early.
Denying kids early treatment just means denying them better quality of life.
Transgenderism is not "a choice to be made", that's fundamentally misunderstanding the problem.
No. Well we call this natural transition "puberty" and it naturally occured since the dawn of time and is followed by mood swings, hormonal imbalances and overall rapid changes in one's body (changed from universal body physiology into two different general bodytypes)
And since puberty is delicate balance of hormonal and physiological changes, we shouldn't mess with it.
It seems like all the left asked was that trans people not be bullied. But instead of having that discussion the far right demanded we take a stand on sports and surgeries to avoid talking about the bullying. The only explanation is because they want the bullying to continue to be without consequences..
Not ignoring so much as pointing out such questions are fabricated to distract from the actual main question, which is: shouldn't me be doing something about trans people getting bullied?
The answer to the question posed by the asker, in my opinion, is that the right should feel free to do whatever it wants about surgeries as long as it agrees to unite with us when it comes to doing something about bullying. But we're not going to get that agreement because the whole point of this fake issue is to prevent anything from being done about bullying.
This isn't about bullying, this is about not allowing children to fuck up their lives lol.
Bullying is a part of life by the way, you grow thicker skin and learn to get your self-validation from within. If the worst part of your life is somebody name calling you, you have it made. If they take it physical or harass you too much then get in touch with law enforcement.
My whole point was that the topic of sports and surgeries is unhelpful to trans people being bullied, which is the most pressing issue.
I also said, and this was the most important thing, I nether agree nor disagree with whatever the right wants in regards to sports and surgeries, and thus think we should just give the right whatever they want as long as they agree to unite with us in stopping the bullying. But you're not going to because your whole reason for pretending to care about sports and surgeries is to keep the bullying going. Even after i say "sure, take what you want" you can't take yes for an answer and are still trying to get me to argue about sports and surgeries. You are tattling on your soul.
I don't like anti-bullying movements and I find them very unhelpful and corny. I am autistic and bisexual, I did not have a single close friend outside of my family until I was 17 years old. These anti-bullying people ended up just talking down to me and infantilizing me. They never told me anything I didn't already know either, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what to do.
You know what is the best way to stop bullying? Teach those who are bullied how to physically break down the bully to the point where they will not even want to get near the previous victim EVER again.
That's what I would teach my kids if I had them, beat the fuck out of bullies and know what the hell you are doing before you try.
But I am not going to dedicate myself to specifically helping trans people when nobody gave a fuck about me when I was growing up for being autistic and whatnot. I have three learning disabilities and I am bisexual, nobody gave a fuck about me. People who pretended to were just mentally masturbating in a virtue signaling orgy of self-congratulatory nonsense.
Oh, so you think teaching kids that independent violence is the solution to violence. And you're certian police and juries will be understanding when a bullied kid accidentally murders someone in self defense. You can personally guarantee that.
Anyway, you just basically admitted you want trans people to continue to be bullied out of spite for the bullying you went through with no one helping you. I'm sorry that happened but I disagree that spite should be validated as a motive for anything.
I have been to a zero tolerance school and a lot of harassment and mental trauma could have been avoided if I was allowed to at least defend myself. I couldn't even push people who hit me away from me without being threatened with expulsion. I think the accidental deaths are worth it, we take calculated risk all the time as a society. Just allowing people to drive guarantees many will die horrible deaths but we still allow it to happen anyway.
Ah no no, I never said I wanted to bully trans people. Do you really think I care enough to go up to a random trans person and harass them? What did they do to me?
I'm just not going to focus on them specifically. If you want me to focus on bullying, then I would help autistic people first if I was really going to do anything about bullying in the first place. I'm not going to specifically focus on trans people when my own people outnumber them and have a greater amount of human suffering in total. There are more autistic people in the USA than there are black people, and black people are about 12% of the population. Trans people are 0.6% of the population, they are a minority within a minority.
Yeah, everyone thinks the accidental deaths are worth it until it is themselves being told they have to die to make someone else feel better.
Anyway, I think bullying is probably the biggest problem humanity faces, regardless of who the target is. I further think it's silly and divisive to talk about which groups have it worse. The idea that we should be able to set the world straight after one perfect step or we shouldn't take any steps at all is not my thing. So I'd be fine with addressing the bullying of autistic people and then the bullying of trans people. But I suspect others are reluctant because they assume once one group gets lifted out of the filth they'll forget all about the experience and make no effort to help lift others. I've gotta say that nothing you have said here assures me this is an unlikely outcome for you.
Well by going on the road I accept the risk of death. If it bothers me I can always walk. And bullies being beaten up wouldn't endanger me at all because I do not bully. Fuck those guys, to be frank I don't care if a lot of bullies die horrible deaths 🤷♂️
I really don't do social advocacy stuff. I have done charity work that involves uplifting nature but I'm not going to make an effort to stop bullying in general. You can't stop it unless you change human nature at the genetic level or institute an authoritarian system that watches people's every move 24/7.. even then people would find loopholes.
People can be so sensitive though man. I went into a discord and during a discussion I said that sex is biological and gender is in your head.. people told me I was causing others to be a suicide risk and then they kicked me out.
I think as long as an adult understands that most conflicts arise from misunderstandings rather than malice, a lot of things become much less offensive. Emotional well-being is our responsibility as well and we have to be able to deal with very cruel people all on our own as adults.
Of course not. Because they are children and they don't know what they want. I know children who sometimes take themselves for superheroes or animals, but that doesn't mean that we let them continue in this direction.
Once adults, everyone does what they want and I respect that. But children it is absolutely necessary to prohibit any transformation
I think with proper counseling and enough time in socially transitioning that hormone blockers should be allowed with actual hormones being taken once the minor is at age of consent. I dont know if I could get behind the idea of just giving hormones right off the bat in the case they do change their mind. What they need more than anything is support both emotionally and mentally from their home and school.
The blockers themselves are what is preventing the kid from growing up properly. Our bodies and brains are not designed to be hacked like this.
You do anything you go all the way or not at all.
Realizing fully going all the way will not necessarily work, and that a anyone below the age of 25 is making choices with an undeveloped brain, on the basis of feelings that 90% likely to change.
Growing up with the wrong puberty also makes it harder later in life for those members to pass successfully which is a major key to dealing with major dysmorphia issues and lowering suicide rates. The rates of those who detransition or regret transitioning is exceedingly low and not enough to warrant the other 90+% of trans people who would benefit from blockers and hormones during their puberty.
Its not the "Wrong" puberty its the one your body was designed for. Your sex was selected before birth anything done after that is a half measure that your body did not evolve to be compatible with.
Risking the well-being of 90% in favor of 10% is not a rational judgement to make, and there is no qualified amount of consoling that could tell the difference simply because the facts on the ground, the biology of the brain and body is in a state of change.
Anther solution that will be possible at some point in the future may be brain rewriting. Although currently it is far beyond our technology.
From the little long term statics we have there’s no change in regards to the rate of suicide for gender-dysmorphia between those that did transition and Those that did not.
I fully support the LGBT+ community, but our brains haven’t even fully developed yet at that stage, especially the decision making part of your brain. If you transition that early and later realise it was a mistake so much damage could already be done to your body/hormones. I have heard of experiences from people who have transitioned young and then realised they weren’t actually trans, so I do agree that people should wait until they are an adult.
transitioning should be banned at any age. it has no impact on happiness levels Even 20 years after gender reassignemtn surgery the suicide rate of a trans person is 20 times that of a normal non trans person; and this research was done in highly accepting environments journals.plos.org/.../journal.pone.0016885
it really is just a pseudoscience. the very concept of gender doesn't exist. so you can't be trans anyway. it just takes advantage of sad lonely confused people
Kids don't know anything, and develop a different rates that is why 90% of the ones who think their gay at that age end up being straight. Their body just needed a little more time to Finnish.
If you let them go thou with it, then almost half of them realizing what they had lost will end up killing themself later in life.
A child is incapable to understanding the concept, or making such a decision.
Anyone who does not understand that needs to do some reading on the development of the brain.
Development of the frontal lobes is not complete until age 25. No major decisions should be made before that age.
The left are a collection of sexual perverts, dysfunctional freaks and lunatics who want groom children and destroy their lives.
No 18 is adult enough to make decisions even if brain only 75 percent finished
They aren't yet "intelligent" enough to make a life-changing decision like that! I've already heard of kids that claim they want it so badly it means EVERYTHING to them and, they are given a sex change in their teens and, a few years later, regret that they ever did it and even revert back to how they started, sort of.
You can't legally sign a contract until you're 18.
Why?
Because you're not capable of supporting yourself and your body and brain are not fully developed.
How is a child capable of bearing the consequences of such a monumental life changing decision?
Homosexuals cannot reproduce, so they must recruit.
It's part of an agenda.
It's diabolical in it's origin.
You'll pay the price for pushing this.
You can't even get a tattoo... unless you're 18.
If you support little kids changing gender... don't ever make yourself known to me.
I better never meet you on the street.
Have you read the actual details of this bill? It is NOT an “anti gay” bill. That’s a huge lie the mass media is spreading.
The bill only stipulates that parents of public school children be informed of sex Ed currículum and whether a child is questioning their gender. Do you honestly see that as a problem?
Now that we know that teachers appear to be grooming kids as young as kindergartners I absolutely support this bill. We actually need to start criminal investigations into who is brainwashing these poor kids. Transgenderism exists, but it is a lot rarer than we’re being pushed to believe it is. Impressing this on young kids is evil.
No kids aren't transgender, it's just unsuitable parents that think so. Kids needs to learn their real gender and all it means before they can even claim to have an idea. So no transitions until your legal adult and then on their own bill, not the tax money.
my brother teaches school, and there are kids there that "identify" as dogs or cats. For someone to say that kids have a full grasp of who they are, is just bullshit. Unless people are dumb enough to think that a kid IS a cat or dog because they think they are. so why in the holy hell would people be stupid enough to think that a kid should be allowed to transition to whatever they identify as for that day? It's child abuse.
My kid identifies as a damn attack helicopter. Somebody better graft some 50 caliber machine guns onto his body soon or THEY are mistreating him? lmfao, gimme a break with the liberal brain-dead bullshit.
absolutely fucking no. the science is clear on that. 99% of children who have insecurities with their sexuality, end up having a normal sexuality. 99% of those that do early transition, never accept their body and most of them end up killing themself. so no. don't do that to children!
also exposure to atypical sexualities correlates with the risk of developing those same issues. so i think this lgbtq media exposure that's going on right now in the name of political correctness is actually damaging our youth. i'm not a fan of that.
I believe letting people be who they want is necessary. I have gender dysphoria myself and it's difficult. And I think parents and adults hate it when their children transition cause it makes things confusing and weird. People should also not put an age ban on people who want to be what. I think the bill hurts more people than protects them.
you're a child you know nothing about yourself. all 15 year olds hate themselves and want to be something different. you jut picked up on a fad and called it gender dysphoria
gender doesn't exist. you are the sex you were born as and can never change
That should be an issue for them and their parents. The state has no place in that conversation.
But this is Florida. Their governor and legislature are democratically elected. I just think it set a dangerous precedent. Where do you draw the line about what a decision a parent can make with their children?
This is just crazy talk to me.
Parents shoukd be able to say NO‼️ and that be the final word. But Governments but schools controlling children’s mind. 🧠
First thing is to get them out of a public school that holds the Hitler viewpoint, You feed and clothe and I will take care of their Mind.”
We are very close to a Stalin Russia and/or Nazi Germany being driven by the 30 and under who think Socialism…. Government run Society (Facist;Communist) is Good.
wouldn't let kids get married, drink alcohol or dirve. I knew a guy who used to wear girls clothes and play with girls toys when he was a kid, there's no way he would want to be a girl now. If transitions for kids where allowed, parents may pressure their children into transitioning if they where to see that kind of behaviour. Changing gender is a life changing even that shouldn't be carried out by children.
Fuck no.
Society believes that 16 year old females are incapable of making rational sexual choices... but you think it ok letting 8 year old boys choose to take meds to stop puberty as a male or to cut off his dick?
That says a lot about how “strong and independent” females really are.
Being trans is a mental disorder and more recently a disorder perpetuated by a society that is pushing this gender confusion onto children in mass and it should NOT be allowed.
Kids are already fucked up and trying to develop, filling their heads with this gender confusion shit is wrong.
We don't allow children to smoke, drink, or get a tattoo. Why should we allow them to permanently alter their body?
So the Christian right was actually right all along, the LGBT people really are coming for people's kids..
Children are not old enough to even sign a contract or get a tattoo. Why should they be old enough to make life altering decisions when we all know a lot of this trans stuff is something they will grow out of because it is trendy during their youth?
The only problem I have with the bill is that they should have made the age 26, when the human brain reaches (reasonably) complete development of the cerebral cortex.
God made males, and God made females.
I pray for those who think they can improve on this.
No, I agree. They need extensive therapy with it too. Plus many regret actually having the surgeries.
Its not a process you just decide "yeah lets do that".
Fully transitioning also doesn't stop them from semi transitioning.
All this stupid anti-gay and trans things happening in Florida is pathetic, they are targeting those in grade school specifically. What's even funny they rode the whole "parents should decide" for masks and vaccines during the pandemic and now when it comes to transition, let's look at the other way.
No they shouldn’t. They’re kids. They’re still growing. That’s a life changing decision that should be made when they get older.
Kids should not be allowed to make adult decisions. Reassignment Surgery should not be allowed until 18 years old. I’m sure everyone can relate—you do not have the same mind set at 6 as you do at 18.
Do I think children should be allowed to permanently damage their bodies and sterilise themselves? No, absolutely not.
they are not capable of that decision their brain is not fully developed yet, and even at 18 they are not fully developed but a little bit better at making a life altering decision. This is life altering once you remove the penis and get breast put on going back is virtually impossible so for that reason and that alone it is best to wait till the brain is fully developed.
I say you should wait not because I'm against transitioning. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. What bothers me is that you have no idea what you want at that age. And even if you do it could drastically change by your mid or late 20s. And then the fact that puberty is already a wild time for our bodies.
It is cruel! No one has the right to tell others how to live their lives, even if they are kids!
Looks like 78% of those who voted in this poll are evangelists...
Find go tell your kid the can play in the busy street, letting them do this to their bodies is almost as likely to kill them.
This is child abuse, nearly 50% of such kids kill themselves later in life because the drugs force them into an incompatible unfinished state. Where as if you simply let nature finish 90% of them will turn out straight.
Children need parents precisely because they haven't finished developing physically or mentally.
The body will take 18 year, the brain really doesn't finish until about 25.
Children are extremely gullible compared to adults and they can easily let people convince them that they are trans, gay or otherwise when they really aren't, especially if they have authority over these children like parents. It is not worth messing around with their body while they are growing
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