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Since when is having morals and values considered "Old School", "Old Fashioned" or "Outdated"? (Page 2)
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Everyone has their own set of morals and values. Its not one size fits all so can you share an example please?
It's Old School but it's never out of date. Clearly we're not teaching our kids the right things.
Having Morals doesn't necessarily mean that a person is Old Fashioned just not into a lot of what others are into as much, in my opinion...👍🏻
I think a certain segment of the population has always thought the other
segments of the population have low morals.
A lot of humans like nothing more than judging other people.
It's not about judging, people fail to get their actions can affect future generations, noone seems to think about anything but themselves though these days
Well said miss brains...
@GMANN56 it's not about judging, it's all about to realize what is wrong and what is right, you can't call the wrong things right under any excuse...
You chose to be wrong than you're wrong, don't come and tell me that it's right just because you like it...
@TonyMetal___86 And you can't tell me that YOU have the master plan on what is right and what is wrong in this world. What is right for you is for YOU ONLY. Everyone has a life to live and has the right to live it as they see fit.
True but freedom must have borders and laws, you can't be 100% free and give everyone a 100% freedom because at this point our world will become like babel, chaotic and each individual will live according to his own laws and beliefs, like tribes...
It totally depends. Do you sniff Biden's butt after he sniff's your hair? Or do you by here proclaim Trump 2024?
Yeah but what if those morals and values, are on the right side of the political spectrum
The right LOVES to attack the left
It's internet exaggeration non sense. Most people at least in civilized nations in the world behave decently.
I highly disagree with your definition of morals and values. Please spare me from old fashioned views. I am so happy we are throwing that nonsense in the garbage, shame the cool hats went with them.
Where did I even give a definition of my morals and values? Oh wait, I DIDN'T!
But you did. You called whatever we had previously "morals" and "values" which we supposedly lost today making us by your definition immoral and not having values.
Again, where did I say that:
It seems that these days people attack decent people instead of the indecent people, and try to insult by calling them old fashioned, old school, or Outdated. But that's exactly what's wrong with society, having morals and values and decency should never be considered outdated.
"But that's exactly what's wrong with society, having morals and values and decency should never be considered outdated."
Well, it shouldn't.. and I said that because people were calling another user outdated for his beliefs and me old school or old fashioned for mine,
And I am saying that the old standards of morality and their views are stupid compared to our modern and vastly improved versions.
Random hook ups, abortion for birth control, public nudity, yeah sure sooo much betterš
Actually yeah, all those things sounds much better. Like actually I prefer these over the alternatives any day of the week.
So you prefer unnecessary abortions over safe sex.. smh yeah okay and that's what's wrong these days. But thanks for your reply..
Its their body, what right do I have to decide what they want to do? Do you believe in freedom or not?
Yes I believe people have the freedom to use the many available forms of birth control readily available that weren't available to women once upon a time. No I don't believe women should have the freedom to repeatedly end a lug they created when they had many options not to create that life in the first place..
*life not lug lol
I highly disagree with your definition of "Life".
And I highly disagree with people being so casual with abortion... Thing is I don't really care if you disagree... š¤·š¼āāļø
But the difference between you and me is that I am objectively correct while you are arguing based on what your emotions tells you which I personally find as a sign of weakness by the way.
You aren't objectively correct though... And I don't really care what you say is weakness... But, we'll just have to agree to disagree... Thanks for replying though
There is no "agree to disagree", I am objectively correct. Scientifically even. You see, we as a society had this conversation a while ago and as such we went through all the arguments we could and started to attempt to disprove them or eliminate them as baseless. As such, your side of the argument was pushed to the side as faulty logic where as my side now has a mountain of factual basis as its foundation.
You can cry all you want, does not change fact.
Oh but here,
Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception. "Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote." "Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception)
So much for objectively correct, maybe your answer was more emotional because you support abortion, isn't that a weakness thoughš¤£
This is a textbook example of not understanding the problem. You see, life is complicated and more importantly we can't "protect it". Case in point, I dont want to be charged for mass murder when I masturbate since my sperm is very much "alive" and more than that they are even "human life".
From here starts a very long debate on what "life" is and what we are actually trying to protect since much of what we classify as "life" or even "human" is something that either can't be protected or makes no sense to protect. At the end of this debate comes a fairly definite conclusion. What we effectively want to protect is a "human person". Not just a life, not just a human life, but an individual.
Then comes the question, at what point does human life develop into an individual? Well step one is obviously that it needs the capacity of thought. It needs a brain. But even that is not enough, there are even parts of our own body with independent capacity of thought that we do not consider sentient such as the nervous system in our stomach.
What is needed is not just the capacity of thought but ACTUAL thought. At the point where we can register brain activity that is not just random signals misfiring is the point where we can honestly begin to consider it transitioning from "human life" to an actual individual with its own feelings and human rights.
So yeah. All that nonsense of life beginning at conception is completely misunderstanding the problem.
Now who's not telling objective truth sperm alone is not considered human lifeš but I'm done with this Convo... And people CAN protect themselves with condoms and birth controlš
Oh but it is. It is biologically alive and it has human genetic information making it identifiable human.
Try again...
"The issue is not when does human life begin, but rather when does the life of every human being begin. A human kidney or liver, a human skin cell, a sperm or an oocyte all possess human life, but they are not human being sĆ³ they are only parts of a human being.'
Maybe you should take a science or biology class lolol
Again, a meaningless attempt to establish a definition that makes no sense. A human life has very little to do with what up the body. For example, we could transplant all the organs, remove all the limbs and do all kinds of medical procedures to theoretically remove pretty much every part of human body and at no point would they be less of a human individual because what matters is the individual, not the body they inhibit.
On the other side of the spectrum, we could construct a perfect body but without that "magic spark" it would just be a body without human rights. Fun fact, the human body dont actually die when the person dies. Putting aside what we can artificially keep alive there are plenty of parts that will continue to function well beyond it.
Point is, you are once again lost and dont recognize the actual problem. It was never about what parts was actually part of the body or not. It was what we could identify as the essence of what makes us who we are and unique. Something beyond our body, something beyond being alive, something beyond having a human DNA and all that other nonsense.
The thing that makes you a person and what makes you worth protecting is the unique thoughts you have in your head that makes up who you are. As such the random bursts of brain activity before you are born or after you are dead is also disqualified.
Everyone has morals and values...
Even crack whores?
@RandomGuy1030 yep
Even murderers and rapists?
Believe it or not yes. A persons morals and values don't necessarily align with everyone else's. What personally goes against your morals may not go against someone elses. Doesn't mean either is right, doesn't mean you can't think that what someone else does is wrong in your view.
So murder and rape is right?
Did you not read what I said
Hey, rapists and crack whores must share the same values. Who else are the girls i hear about that fantasize about getting raped
@RandomGuy1030 rape fantasy is more a trauma response.
Give me a fucking break. When will you dorks EVER stop begging for sympathy for being perverts
@RandomGuy1030 how does fantasizing about BEING raped make you a pervert.. fantasizing about raping is more perverted.
@Razp_Sorbet make up your mind, now you want to say it's perverted, earlier you were saying rapists and murderers have morals and values... smh
Again did you not read what I said? Or do you just not comprehend it? "Doesn't mean either is right, doesn't mean you can't think that what someone else does is wrong in your view."
So much for brains before beauty š¬
@Razp_Sorbet you didn't say that? And really? Gonna resort to insults? Isn't that rather childish? But isn't that what people do when they have nothing valid to say, resort to childish, petty insults... But you're wasting your time, that shit don't work with meš¤£
@Razp_Sorbet
"Believe it or not yes. A persons morals and values don't necessarily align with everyone else's. What personally goes against your morals may not go against someone elses. Doesn't mean either is right, doesn't mean you can't think that what someone else does is wrong in your view."
Except it's not just my views, murder and rape is illegal as well as immoral
I literally quoted myself... Copy and pasted and you copy and pasted the same thing. Wym I didn't say that šš wtf
Yes that's my point. The majority of people think it's wrong morally and it goes against their values but there are people who don't think the same way, I'm not agreeing with their thoughts just adknowledging that they do exist. Their morals have been skewed most likely because of a mental illness or traumatic experience, again doesn't make their way of thinking right. Sex before marriage goes against most christian peoples morals, but it doesn't go against mine, neither of us are right or wrong because morals can be individualized. The vast majority of people do however, have similar morals hence why murder is illegal.
@Razp_Sorbet to even compare sex before marriage to someone commiting a murder, yeah that don't get. And just because people think they have morals doesn't make it true.. again anyone that would kill an innocent person in cold blood is an immoral person..
I didn't compare āŗļø I made an example. And no they did an immoral action. They could have morals that align with yours in other aspects of life. It's okay if you don't understand, philosophy is very confusing.
Oh I understand, I think it's you who doesn't understand... And since when is making excuses for murderers considered philosophy? Lolol
Clearly you don't š but believe what you want I guess
I could say the same to you, but
Okay then...
Iām tired of this generation.
In West? I think since 60s
Feelings are more valued than facts.
Hopefully never.
Right!!
Certainly not out dated.
That is very true
Right! Sad but true
since the left got in the way
Since feminist and LGTB crap started.