Since when is having morals and values considered "Old School", "Old Fashioned" or "Outdated"?

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

It seems that these days people attack decent people instead of the indecent people, and try to insult by calling them old fashioned, old school, or Outdated. But that's exactly what's wrong with society, having morals and values and decency should never be considered outdated.

[Lionman95]

Since the change of society. The modern dating culture is concentrated on using your youth to get the most experiences. Like in any other part of life such as culture, nature/outdoor/travelling dating and relationships have also adjusted to prefer short pleasure over long-term happiness.
The rate of marriages being divorced and long-term relationship ending abruptly is high and probably also raising because people have come to terms with changing their partners as soon as problems arise that seem to attack fundamental questions of their relationship.
It changed the moment people got excess to many options quickly. So that when I can´t agree with my partner now that people have many other options either for hook-ups/friends with benefits or open relationships the necessarity to really solve a problem with your partner and go through crisis together is low.
Especially modern western culture has been sexualized ever since the 1970s since the upcoming of the internet, apps and easy excess to open it even deepened its influence of society.
That way everybody who chooses the opposite way is "oldschool" because he or she tries to get a partner by getting to know character first and prefers to be monogamous.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Very true.. Very sad but very true

[TonyMetal___86]

These type of people are the reason why our world is becoming a darker corrupted place...

Under the name of freedom they jusy wanna ruin everything and send humans back to the stone ages and maybe earlier, the times when we had resembled the animals in like 95%...

When you want to ruin a social structure based on morals, values and disciplines than you don't have the right to nag or cry or beg later for help or becoming depressed on why our world had became ruthless and destructive liie that...

You eat from what you harvest and you harvest from what you plant...

Respect, emotions, feelings, consciousness.. etc are the things that makes us special and humans, the moment you lose them, than you're just a thing without any importance or value...

I think therefore i am, people these days lack some brain capacity and are driven only by sexual instincts and lust desires...

The others are like just go with flow...

If you cannot make a positive impact in this world than do not attack the others who are able to do it...

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Great answer, agree 💯.. We may not agree on all things, but on this we agree.. Well said!!

[TonyMetal___86]

It takes a couple of more bites to the spongy forehead so we reach the 100% agreement 🤣🤣

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

You really wanna lose them teeth of yours, don't you🥊

[TonyMetal___86]

I covered them with a fortified steel so i bite the sponge hard 😬😬

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

That must be a pretty look🤣🤣

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Takes "steely smile" to whole new level🤣

[TonyMetal___86]

Yeah not only the wolverine gets his claws fortified 🤣🤣

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Tainted frosting again I see lolol all that tainted frosting gonna cause permanent damage...
"This is tainted frosting, this is your brain on tainted frosting, any questions?"🤣🤣

[TonyMetal___86]

I found the queen of muffins, i'll bite her and eat her alive so i become the king of the muffin world 😁🤴🏻

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

I'm the queen of whiskey, get it right🤣🤣

[TonyMetal___86]

Thanks for the mho spongy forehead 😊

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Welcome 🙂 and no it doesn't come with muffins🤣

[TonyMetal___86]

Without muffins? No wonder why the homocides have increased 🕵️‍♂️

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

🤣🤣

[OpenClose]

Well morals themselves aren't old-fashioned or outdated. But a lot of people hold up old-fashioned or outdated ideas as "having morals", so that's usually where the problem is.

Like let's say you save yourself for marriage for moral reasons. Good for you. If that's how you feel, stick to your guns. Brush off the haters.

But then if you start saying that women who have premarital sex are immoral, then you are applying outdated morals, because we've known for a long time that there's nothing inherently immoral about sex outside of marriage. It was just an old law put in place so people could keep track of whose children were whose, and assign parental responsibility accordingly.

But with contraception, birth identification, and at worst genetic identification, controlling a woman's sexuality in this way is no longer necessary.

So while the morals that you keep for yourself are fine, it's a problem if you are going to judge others based on morals that are no longer necessary. And I feel like a lot of people shoot themselves in the foot when they judge others for outdated morals, and start to form this narrative in their head that "therefore men like immoral women" or vice versa.

[NathanDavis]

morals and values, decency... all of them are quite subjective, that's the issue here

there were times in which it was seen as immoral for white people to get involved with black people... black people were considered not moral, not decent, not even citizens and all kinds of stupid ass ideals that were just plain wrong

however... this was still the set of values and morals accepted by the vast majority of the white people

I am sure you do not agree with these morals, values and ideas of decency, right? and just because a lot of older people would have said to you "but this is what normal is, this what we all did, this is what we all believed to be right so is not wrong and you have to do it too because that's what our morals and value dictate and you just have to follow it"

I am willing to bet all my G@G points that you're not a racist person yourself... are you?
and you would absolutely reject their, (subjective) sets of morals and values because they are quite different from yours... as simple as that, we're all different, therefore... things can be quite subjective

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Except it wasn't moral and decent, and why many white people went to war over it and why the laws changed and things changed...
Right?

[NathanDavis]

but it was to them... in society, the majority dictate what morals and values are to that society and particular and also their times, and it is precisely why because these are subjective

and it also why, I was not being clear on which times and society I meant... you saw it as the times of the civil war... but when I typed it, I was thinking about South Africa, not so long ago... but it also applies to other times, for example the USA even after the Civil War and so on...

as you can see... it's relative and subjective

[KuroSire]

"Out with the old, in with the new" mentality. It doesn't matter that the new is garbage, toxic, and will fall apart faster than the old reliable stuff. All that matters is staying relevant, trendy, and fashionable. You have to be "progressive", and progress is trading the old whatever for the newfangled whosawhatsit.
Also, we have been subjected to almost 60 years of ideological subversion, which has the primary goal of demoralizing entire populations to make them disheartened, confused, insecure, hedonistic, and close-minded. They can't tell up from down, man from woman, or right from wrong.
I think it was largely successful as modern society is a chaotic mess of people asserting nonsense and making up rules with everyone being to afraid to speak up out of fear that holding someone accoubtable means they to can be held accountable, and they "can't even".
So, that is why being moral and having values is considered "old fashioned". Because, in our post modern, subverted, nuhilistic culture, it truly is a relic of the past.

[Jaximus-Lion]

It's alright! Weak minded never sees their selves as the problem so they blame the ones that are better than them. I have these situations about 3-5 time a week and i always answer with: look where I am at! Now look where you at. I have met so many people that tell me that i am old fashioned and i always tell them that morals and decency never gets old, plus the old fashion is way better than now days whatever fashion 🤷‍♂️. You know the saying ( nice guys finish last) 🤣, one of the dumbest things i have ever heared too

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Right!!!

[dorksided1]

Things have gotten so crazy and backwards these days. Everything is over the top these days, extreme. The same people saying they would harm a 35 year old male teacher with a 14 year old girl are the same ones when its the other way around praising it? The same people wanting for a kind woman with morals and values also put in their profile or continue on with, for a friends with benefits situation? Or females who put looking for a good man, with money, nice car, no kids, (meanwhile she has 4) with a huge weenie. Its insanity, the hypocrisy of our society. I am traditional and will continue on my way, people comments do not bother me at the end of the day I worked hard for my home, car, the things I have, by old school hard work--by myself without anyones help,. When I go on a date it is to actually court, I am not a friends with benefits or hook up, so anyones negative opinion of the way I am is their problem

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Great answer❤️👍

[dorksided1]

Thank you for seeing that

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Welcome 🙂

[HighlyVolatile]

I don't think young people lacking much in the ways of responsibilities over households and families and communities understand the value of favoring something that is weighted towards producing long-term benefits over the short-term.

It's like health. Young people can get away with eating loads of junk food. They don't see anything wrong with drinking 4 cans of soda every day and eating heavily-processed foods. Keep doing that until 30s, 40s, and they'll start to see what's wrong with it.

The problem these days as I see it is that they are learning most of these lessons too late in life and in the hardest ways possible.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Well said!!

[HighlyVolatile]

And so they see most of our classical ideals and values as old-fashioned, and some of them are ill-suited for today's times. But in failing to acknowledge that there's real value and wisdom in there built over the entirety of human history, they end up thinking it's all stupid, and have to learn it all the hard way.

[HighlyVolatile]

The problem I see these days and I might be coming across as a bit "ageist" as they say now is that we've built a youth-oriented culture. We're letting 16 year-olds and 22-year olds in front of a stage and on cameras try to pass on wisdom about how to live a meaningful and good life. And I think young people can be so smart, but they don't have the responsibilities and years yet to see how their actions accumulate and catch up to them over the years. That's a blind spot almost every young person will have, but we're giving them the metaphorical megaphone of wisdom and the largest audience, and so I become a grumpy old man ceasing to try to warn about the dangers of what they do if they keep on doing it. :-D

[HighlyVolatile]

And morality is an extremely complicated and counter-intuitive subject as I see it. It's more like Poker than Chess. There are no guarantees in life. People can be punished for doing the right thing and rewarded for doing the wrong things. So they often see the Prisoner's Dilemma solution as the optimal solution over the iterated prisoner's dilemma favoring strategies like Tit and Tat:
https://youtu.be/BOvAbjfJ0x0
The metaphorical iterated solution is what we come to see with the years as I see it that many young people can't see who call our ideas outdated and old-fashioned.

[HighlyVolatile]

* Tit-for-Tat strategy, sorry.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

👍👍

[Msputiton]

Morals isn't old-fashioned.
The snobbish judgmental ways people act towards people for acting differently is old fashioned.

They judge our generation for our sexuality as if the 70s wasn't about sex and drugs.

Young people gonna be young.

Past generations wanna pretend like they didn't have a young rebellious period to experiment and explore themselves.

Everyone does. Even if the exploration wasn't very wild we all go through it to learn ourselves or have fun while we young and free.

And no i don't go out having sex or exposing myself.

I just respect people's right to do so if they want.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Since when is exposing yourself a right? Women expose themselves on the internet and it's justified/glorified but men who would expose themselves get labeled a creep or perv... Or if in public, men get ticketed out arrested while women can walk around with their vajajay exposed or dental floss up their ass and call it a bikini... And maybe parents don't want their young children exposed to that🤷🏼‍♀️

[Msputiton]

Well if the law has no problem with it.
It is their right to do this.
Your values don't match up with the laws in place.

People are free to dress how they want as long as it doesn't break the law.

So because a parent doesn't want their children exposed to something that means people can't dress how they want even though the laws says they can.

It all comes down to us respecting how you want to raise your child, but you not respecting how some else's parents raised theirs because it's not the same way you were raised.
Respect is a 2 way street. You want it you got to give it.

[Msputiton]

Decency also stands for respecting people's right to express themselves especially when they don't match your values

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

You can express yourself with decency.. How is flashing one's vagina expressing yourself? Come on now, that's a bs excuse

[Msputiton]

That's porn

People don't walk around do that. 🤣

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

They don't? Women don't walk around with dental floss they "call" bikinis? Skirts that barely cover their crotch or pants so tight you see the whole outline of their vagina? Or flashing their nudity on the internet. There was a user profile pic a chick had of her butthole with a butt plug till I reported it.. So uhh, yeah they do

[Msputiton]

Yeah and when you reported it, what happened?

If someone violates a sites policy it gets removed.

People walking around in bikinis are not against the law because they are not exposing themselves even if it barely covers anything.

They are wearing clothes that are deemed acceptable by law.

You have a problem with it.

This is a you thing and anyone else who has a problem with it.

When someone takes it too far they are punished like it should be.

But if they are dressed showing more skin than you like, it is your problem not theirs.

They are legally allowed to dress like that even if you don't like it.

So leave them be, they do not have to put more clothes on because some stranger decides that they are not dressed properly.

Twitter allows nudity. So if you don't like that. It is best to stay off it.

Instagram allows outfits that exposes a lot of skin, so again don't like it don't go on there.

Tiktok allows skin to be shown as well. Not a fan don't go on it.

They are not violating any policy.

Just like on here if they do they can be reported and it will be taken down.

Happens too much they will be banned.

So again the problem isn't them doing wrong, it's they do things differently then you want them to.

It's about control. You want to control a situation that you can't control.

They want to dress a certain way speak a certain way, act a certain they can.

Not everyone is built the same. Mentally or physically.

[ohshee]

Haha. For real I didn't have the best up bring . And I'm glad because one day I had to ask myself who do you want to be.. in this world its only your choice.

You can blame your parents you can and 1000 influencers but the bottom line is your choice is your choice we get to choose who we want to be by the things we say into and it's only our choice nobody else's so who you are in this world it's who you want to be and if you do not have morals values and ethics far as I'm concerned you know one because that means you're not living life do not conscious you have no respect pour yourself are others old school has nothing to do with it this is called today's School if you want a life you need to have them

[Emiliamazing]

There’s some really good points I’ve been made here about the changing views of our world. What people value has changed, how women and men interact has changed. Even when my husband and I were dating, he always opened the door for me even though I told him he was being silly. I think if you like this type of behavior and interaction between individuals, you must promote or at least allow it.
The change has to be made on an individual level. Blanket change over a generation doesn’t really happen, it starts with an individual. We are trying to teach our children to be kind to one another, regardless of gender or orientation.
I say keep on the path you enjoy, I certainly enjoy being treated with chivalry :-)

[idkwhatsreal]

It happened when parents stopped disciplining their kids and letting them run around thinking everything that came in their was right and good. And here’s a participation trophy for showing up somehow it became that just could do no wrong and we’re actually rewarded for being little assholes.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Agree and also the lack of teaching there's consequences for negative behavior/actions.. used to be if you got in trouble at school, you got in big trouble at home. Nowadays it's "you picking on my child" or the parents go to the school and confront the teacher... Too, people don't respect those in authority anymore.. Their teacher, their boss, etc. I don't personally like my supervisor at work, but I still do what I'm told at work, because he is my supervisor...

[Divinegirl]

I think it may be more about the culture you live in and the values it holds. You also have to think about how easily weak minded people are influenced by the media to be indecent. Then there's the herd mentality were they insult you if you're not like them.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

You're right there

[ChiTown33]

Since Kanye West and Kim Kardashian are worth 1.6 billion. Since the " cash me outside girl gained fame. Since that black girl ( don't remember her name) who doesn't identify as being black and doesn't like black people gained her 15 minutes of fame.
Society today gives these people attention. And while I'm not trying to call it a generational thing. This latest generation is far connected media platform wise than anyone before it. Before it something couldn't be shared with the world in a matter of minutes.

[AlwaysBelieving]

Who knows. All I know is that I respect women and I’m not into hookup culture / ONS / friends with benefits. Sure, I’ll glance at women and that’s just about it. To my knowledge I have never “hit on a woman” nor cat called. I have gotten a few “braindusters” when in college from a friend saying “dude, she was checking you out!”

To me, an individual you’re attracted to is still a person and not just a piece of meat. If a gal says to me “I’m not interested”, to means that she’s not interested. I move on. If she thinks I’m playing games, that’s on her. I have no time for that.

[Jaykrisss]

Yeah about that
God knows where this hookup culture and friends with benefits take our society.
Isn't it sick when you realise people are sleeping around with each other and its advertised.

[AlwaysBelieving]

@Jaykrisss For real. I think I was on a dating site for a year. After the year, I decided it wasn’t for me. Dating sites and apps (to me) are just like “interviewing for a job” if you really think about it.

[Derekk]

The problem with "old fashioned morals" is that they frequently hide some pretty nasty prejudicial junk that has no business in 21st century society. And in the odd case where they don't, the people that hold them spend an awful lot of time openly and loudly ranking lifestyles within hierarchies for my liking. Dressing a certain way or conducting your relationships in a specific way doesn't make you a better or more ethical person.

You'd have to be more specific about what old fashioned morals you think should be re-incorporated.

[BCRanger10]

I honestly don't know. I've been asking here for years why the fact that it's x-current-year should have anything significant to do with what someone believes or does. Sure, in matters of style, convenience, or technology, someone could present reasonable cases. As for morals and values? I've never gotten a satisfactory answer on that.

[KatherineJ]

There have always been people who like to push the boundaries. Sadly, people have been brow beaten to not say anything. The results are definitely showing in society now.

[TonyMetal___86]

And the worst is that some young people think that it's just the norm and that's how they must live...

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Agree💯 but I'll always speak my mind, whether people like it or not, because to me, it's not about me or them, it's about the worry for the future generations growing up in a society with declining morals and values, and decency... I worry about the world my grandson, and great nieces and nephews will be growing up in

[Tiptoetamm]

I have no idea I guess I didn't get that memo because I treat people the way I want to be treated. I'm not perfect so I mess up every now and then. I believe that morale and values are very important

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Glad to hear it ❤️😊 especially in a society that seems to be rife with declining morals and values... I fear for what society/the world will be like for future generations

[Tiptoetamm]

I know. I think about that as well I tell my siblings to always treat others the way you want to be treated so hopefully enough of us pass on the morals and values it will never die. Let's hope anyway. I get disgusted when I see someone treating another human badly because they had a bad day. Everyone has bad days but no excuse to treat others badly.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Right!!!

[CrazyGirl2]

Since about 5 minutes ago! It truly seems like is are a HIGHLY vocal minority (especially on twitter) who are hell bent on destroying or reversing anything that existed more than 2 years ago!

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Yeah people try to normalize their negative behaviors to make themselves look less wrong

[CrazyGirl2]

1 of 2
While I certainly agree with you, I do believe its WAY more insidious than just that… people in my generation, we are drilled that its wrong to “judge” anyone else’s behavior! Now obviously they started (before I was born) with something that few, especially now, could disagree with, the gay community. “Who are we to judge that being gay as wrong”? (Which. I happen to agree with). Then somewhere in my late tweens, early teens, they moved from the now completely accepted gay community to the Trans community, (which again, given that one of my closest friends is trans… I agree with most of!) But now they are doing shit like re-branding pedophiles as MAPs (minor attracted persons) which sounds harmless, “they’re are just attracted to them, they haven’t necessarily hurt anyone”, right? Except my uncle did to me word-for-word what some “MAP” site said, to keep me from telling anyone what he did to me!

[CrazyGirl2]

2 of 2
Namely “if you make sure that the last thing you do to the child is give them an orgasm, because of their brains incapacity to reason like an adult, they will be convinced that it must have been something they wanted, because it felt so good”! That was the biggest thing that seriously screwed me up psychologically, through my therapy, I would argue with therapists, that I was an “awful person because I reported him to the police when it was all my idea!” EVEN HERE, on GaG I’ve seen whole threads where people defend pedophiles! One person angrily told me “Just because someone is a pedophile does NOT mean that they have EVER harmed a child, it only means that they are “brave enough” to admit it!”! You mark my words here and now, there will be an “M” for MAPs on the LGBTQAAIP+ Flag within 5yrs, probably less than 2! (by the way, how pansexual, and bisexual are not the same thing, is beyond me!) It seems that today the ONLY people who ARE fair game to judge their behavior are Christian’s!

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

The ONLY person at fault was your uncle!!!

[CrazyGirl2]

I know that now sweetie, but as a 13 year old, especially after he killed himself, I felt completely to blame for the entire thing, and now may daddy’s twin brother was dead because of me, was something that I would say often! I now fully understand that he was to blame, of COURSE he was… he raped and impregnated a CHILD! But I fought tooth and nail to overcome that feeling of guilt, because of what these awful MAP websites teach child rapists! Imagine how many other girls went through exactly what happened to me, because of that (or a similar) websites! But you watch, it won’t be long before condemning a man for having sex with a child will be “MAPphobic” or “Pedophobic” (which actually is a thing and literally means the fear of children) but they will co-opt it for their own political agenda.
Trust me, I don’t want to live in a country where 48y/o men, can openly and freely have sex with 13yo girls! And this judgment free bullshit we are living with, has gone TOO far when pedophiles can feel comfortable openly admitting that they are attracted to 12 & 13yo children (and younger, much MUCH younger!)

[CrazyGirl2]

But seriously, thank you for what you said! It genuinely means the world to me when someone cares enough about my well being, to take the time to actually make sure I understand that! Thank you 🙏🏼.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

❤️🤗🤗

[exitseven]

I think it really went downhill after social media became so popular. Kids are all in daycare and are not really supervised and they spend their time on social media where they can access pretty much everything.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Agree, don't even get me started about social media lololol that's why GAG is the only social media platform I'm on, and some days I question why even on here🤷🏼‍♀️

[exitseven]

@Brainsbeforebeauty 😀😀😀😀😀

[AndrewMG]

I might joke about things and take the piss out of experiences I've had but one value I always hold is that if you're confronted with an issue then your first reaction should be approach it from a compassionate point of view rather than a condemnation point of view, you can always change your opinion once you know the facts, but make sure your starting point is from a good place. I think recently with social media, talent shows etc there has been a change where the natural starting point is condemnation/anger etc even with out gaining the full facts.