Hopefully. Women knew how to act like women then instead of trying to act like poor excuses for men as they do today.
Boo hoo. OK wants to limit women murdering children in their womb. How draconian of them. Abortion is barbaric and anyone who does it is a murderer. We all know how people get pregnant use birth control and I don’t want to hear lame excuses about the.000000009 percent of women who get preggers on the pill nor fools who don’t know how to properly use condoms, and neither is and excuse for murder.
You don’t have the right to murder despite whatever the law may say. Children have rights too.
“For You formed my innermost parts; You knit me [together] in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks and praise to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was being formed in secret, And intricately and skillfully formed [as if embroidered with many colors] in the depths of the earth. Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were appointed for me, When as yet there was not one of them [even taking shape].”
Psalms 139:13-16 AMP
““You shall not commit murder (unjustified, deliberate homicide).”
Exodus 20:13 AMP
What about rape and incest you may say? Is that the unborn child’s fault? By all means, please, tell me when it’s ok to murder your unborn child.
Ohhh…. it’s just a fetus right? Why then has it been scientifically determined those meaningless group of cells you lot of murderers want to define as a fetus can feel pain? This has been detected in their urine. Would you like to see pictures of little arms and legs that were removed from a womb during an abortion and tell me all about how it’s just a fetus?
Abortion is murder and all who participate in it are murderers and no unrepentant murderer will see heaven.
Don’t like what the Bible says? Fine. I didn’t write it. Take it up with God. Don’t believe in God or the Bible, fine it doesn’t change the barbarity of scraping body parts out of a woman’s womb. For those who don’t believe in God, so be it. I guess we’ll all learn the truth we accepted and acted on or didn’t when we draw our last breath.
This notion that women "just can't make it" unless they sacrifice their children is one of the biggest lies ever perpetrated on American women.
Every single success story of a woman with children is living proof of what a lie it is that sacrificing children is somehow the answer. As is every single instance of a woman who makes that sacrifice, and then never improves in her life station.
If you're that deathly afraid of maternity ruining whatever image you seek to attain for your vanity's sake, just stop having sex. The overwhelming majority of cases of this even being an issue, comes from being a loosey-goosey.
What can men do? Stop being dogs. And stop encouraging other men to be dogs. And if you catch idiot kids encouraging each other to act like dogs, alert their dads that these brats' punk-asses need a whooping!
And don't cave to the Karens who call it "abuse" to tie in to some 14-year-old pushing promiscuity on his peers! Those same Karens have not one single crocodile tear left to shed, when those same kids wind up in prison for sexual deviancy later in life - which is a LOT worse! And the Karens that join government agencies, to hypocritically bully parents into sparing the rod at all times? Said Karens need to be horsewhipped and hanged by their ever-shrieking throats! Tar and feathers optional! No quarter to communists!
We also need to repeal every single last piece of BS legislation to ever come out of LBJ's "Great Society" experiment. Repeal all of it! Cleanse the land of prosperity pulpits. Cleanse the land of sodomite bars. Cleanse the land of every venue of filth! Every strip club, razed!
It won't take us back to the Middle Ages. It'll, at worst, take us back to a purer version of the early 1960s. When women were still women, and men were still men, and both still had an ounce of dignity.
That, or continue down this road. All that wealth you think abortion will win you? Klaus Schwab will steal it away! You'll have no wealth, no family, no anything! And your sacrifices will have been in vain! It will be futurist utopia for him and his band of international thugs, and the dung ages of a Monty Python sketch for you - with or without children!
Personally I wouldn’t have an abortion, but I don’t begrudge other women the right to make their own choice. As far as I’m concerned, the abortion choice is just like any other medical decision and is a private matter between a woman and her doctors. The government, the churches, everyone else needs to stay out of it. Yes, the father should have a say, but the woman bears the risks associated with pregnancy and should have the final say in the decision. If governments can extend a right then capriciously narrow or abolish it, one has to wonder which one is next. That’s my two cents worth, and it is not up for debate.
Yep, it certainly looks like it is. I can't stand people who want to take away abortion rights from women. Stupid redneck republicans want to ban abortion just to control women. They could provide comprehensive sex ed and free birth control but they refuse to do that because they're selfish. Abstinence from sex and making abortion illegal is not going to solve this problem.
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u Many people see restrictions on abortion as a step forward, not a step back. Obviously, you disagree, but that is only a matter of opinion.
On victory day, these slithering vermin will attempt to scurry, and burrow into pockets where such 'toxic' opinions are even allowed to be expressed at all.
You both realize that Tennessee is trying to pass a law that bans abortion - even rape victims and incest victims- and allows relatives of the rapist to each sue the victim right? If you think that's "moving forward" then you are sick.
@StrawberryShake Am not interested in moving forward. (((Progressive-regress))) got so many things wrong, we need to go backward in order to move forward. e. g. I'm not interested in moving forward with multi-culti globo-homo/white genocide. Yet we're supposed to believe this is "progress."
@StrawberryShake Have you read the proposed Tennessee legislation or are you simply responding to MSM mischaracterizations of the law? Remember how the media calls the Florida law the "Don't Say Gay" law when it says nothing about that whatsoever? How would you feel if I criticized you for supporting neo-Nazism?
Yup I've read it. Have you? And why would you criticize me for that? What have I said that even vaguely resembles that?
@StrawberryShake "What have I said that even vaguely resembles that?" What does the bill say that allows a rapist to sue the victim? You just made that up or believe what some media source mischaracterized about the proposal. In reality, the bill that has been filed doesn't address this issue at all; the sponsor has discussed an amendment that would install some civil penalties for violations, but the amendment (according to the sources I read) is not yet available online. . . so tell me where you read this.
Take your pick, I never said the law has been passed yet. But this is what they're trying to do. I am by no means a democratic liberal but this is downright disturbing.
www.theguardian.com/.../abortion-ban-texas-advances-tennessee
www.today.com/.../tennessee-bill-rapists-sue-abortion-rcna20581
patch.com/.../tn-bill-allows-rapists-family-friends-sue-over-abortion
@StrawberryShake Again, I haven't read the amendment because it has not yet been made public, but the news accounds say that it allows family to sue the abortion provider, NOT the pregnant girl who gets the abortion. That is not the same thing as suing the rape victim.
I heard both. But either way it seems very odd and unnecessary. Only person that needs to be sued in a situation like that is the rapist.
@StrawberryShake If you are aking abortions illegal, then instead of having the government prosecute doscotrs who violate the law, the bill gives the father of the child (or in the case of rape, the family of the father) the right to sue for $10,000 per violation. It is merely an incentive to discourage health care providers from performing abortions that would be illegal under the proposed law.
Victims of rape already have the right to sue their rapist for damages and this law would not change that right in any way.
So, again, saying that the proposed law "allows relatives of the rapist to each sue the victim" grossly mistates the effect of the law.
Rapists shouldn't be allowed to sue anyone. They're literally human scum. Why are you even arguing this?
@StrawberryShake Why don't you understand this? This law does not allow rapists to sue anyone! Can you read?
@StrawberryShake Suing the victim Is not moving forward. I've said it before, When somebody murders a baby the world goes into shock, In the womb, Out of the womb, It's all the same because a baby that never asked to be conceived suffers and dies. The children who were the product of rape most often understands why they were adopted out but they are at the same time grateful they were given a chance to live.
Its a state issue, just like any other form of murder.
@Mossberg500 The beauty of Federalism is you don't have to agree with the majority on such domestic issues as what constitutes murder, You can simply move.
@StrawberryShake Until the Federal politicians in black robes made Roe vs wade for 200+ years what was and was not regarded as murder was decided by elected State legislators via due process of law. Some of them were much more permissive of killing than others.
The beauty of federalism is you don't have to live in Tennessee if you don't agree with the local majorities definition, there are 49 other states to choose from.
Nope it’s the opposite, it starting to turn into the movie called “Red Dawn” with the Commiecrats instead of russkies.
@Dylanjmes i don't want all abortion illegal, but "people will do it anyways" is not a good argument for making something legal
That is not what im saying historically if you look at statistical data and a google search back alley abortions became an epidemic basically when abortion restrictions started in the mid 1800s and became illegal again in the early 1900s federally. The pregnant women aborting by use of like pills and coat hangers and sometimes even killing the women. I personally dont want that to repeat again
@Dylanjmes The only one who isn’t think himself here is you for being Commiecrat sheep.
The group that supported the interment Japanese-Americans during WWII are the same group that refer to Asian-Americans as “privileged”.
What a hypocrite you are.
@Dylanjmes And you don’t have to be a f*cking femicommie to believe in equality.
Many States are throwing women into the arena with far stronger and more powerful men to be beaten up. Many states do seem to be coming more savage for women.
So I’m pro 2A believe in limited government also I believe in most economic areas giving the power to the states and localities and have the federal government have a little bit of power like the anti federalists and federalist believed in compromise. I don’t choose one party or the other I have values from both sides. I don’t believe the whole trans thing in sports that is ridiculous in my opinion and is defying biological reality. But trans do have the freedom and autonomy to do what ever they please to do as long as it doesn’t infringe on my rights. I also believe abortion shouldn’t be allowed up to a certain week and in cases of rape incest or life threatening child birth.
I also believe in looking in other perspectives outside my own, so I can understand where others are coming from. So before you make these accusations read a history book and think for yourself, im becoming a history teacher by the way so too late bud. I believe in looking back Becuase thats shows humanity’s errors like communism and fascism and accomplishments. Both have corruption and both are too extreme. Ignorance (assholes) comes in all shapes sizes and colors man and you are def one of them, a poor excuse for a so called man 😂and I would say this to you in person too if I could, I will speak my mind and I will stand up for myself and others rights. So lets end this by calling you a liberal snow flake ❄️. I really hope what I just said to you results in some coherent thoughts instead of just only stereotypical blatant insults. Some people are just too far gone.
As said in Billy Madison “At no point in your rambling, incoherent response was there anything that could even be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on you’re soul.
@Dylanjmes You sure like to contradict yourself don’t you. First you nitpick and then you backpedal and pretty much say you aren’t a pinko. Pathetic. Funny how you say I’m rambling when you are the one typing out an essay.
There’s always that one pinko who pretends to be a centrist.
What did I just say, do you even listen you don’t have to be one or the other you can have your own opinions and have values from both parties. I never said I was a liberal you dumb ass 🤣🤣🤣. You just got freaking roasted you are one of the most ignorant fucks I think I've ever talked to you play into all the stereotypes you weak minded re re 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Dylanjmes You are so delusional. I don’t need to type up an entire essay of bullshit to point something out.
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@dylanjmes And also dummy
I’m not the one who went off on a irrelevant tanget and then got butt hurt when I contributed to your tangent. Get outta here.😂😂😂😂
Becuase you don’t have any arguments or premises you ignorant fucktard 🤣🤣🤣. Well I do need to type an essay Becuase I gotta stand up and point out delusional fucks like you and be a man. Why are you obsessed with tangents take the plethera of dicks out your ass put em in a bag and eat a bag of dicks my friend im done with you a waste of time and human life this is why abortions exist bye 🤣
@Dylanjmes Actually I do have arguments but your reading comprehension skills are cretinous.
Posting a non sequitur argument shows just shows that you are arguing just for the sake of arguing not to mention that you keep contradicting yourself. It doesn’t help that you are bringing up outdated information.
Even Junky Batman is more logical than you.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-vfpD7ofTzM
@Dylanjmes The funny thing is I never said anti abortion laws weren’t a thing back then, so I don’t know why you decided to bring an irrelevant argument.
You’ve demonstrated all of the following
1.) White knight
2.) Delusional
3.) Contradictory
4.) Lack of reading comprehension
5.) Relies on ad hominems
6.) Acts like edgy pinko teenager.
7.) Insults anyone who has different views.
8.) copies arguments
So get outta here boy😂😂😂😂😂
Personal responsibility is something that is far more important than any one issue, and seems to be sorely lacking in this matter. Both potential parents have a personal responsibility to prevent unwanted pregnancies via the many methods currently available, only one of which isn’t exclusively a female choice. I don’t feel bad for mothers who failed to use or insist that their partner use contraception and subsequently don’t like that actions or inactions have consequences.
Perhaps if young women were drafted to repopulate their country the same way young men are drafted to die in oligarch’s pissing contests, I would at least feel the sorrow of solidarity that both of our bodies are not our own but the property of the state. At the moment however, only one sex has that as a lived reality. I do not foresee the need to explore that sorrow arising in a nation where female voters outnumber male and thus the interests of women always win.
What rights do men have that women don’t, at least in the west where Oklahoma is located? Women have more de facto and de jure rights than men ever will, especially in the area of reproduction. If that were not the case, a useful and meaningful discussion about women losing rights might be possible. At this point however, women’s rights would have to decrease to parity with men’s in order to have any reason to expect male sympathy.
And teenagers who arnt the most responsible because you know they’re teenagers. What about victims of rape and molestation? What about the 3% that birth control fails anyway?
I’m not approaching this from a political or religious standpoint, note that I led with personal responsibility. Anything done by teens is the fault of the parents who failed to prepare them for the realities of life. Teens can claim ignorance, even if unlikely to be substantiated. The parents, by virtue of being parents, cannot. Victims of rape did not choose for the pregnancy to take place, and have no moral agency or standing in an involuntary matter. The non-aggression principle, I. e. nobody had the right to initiate force against another person still applies, and the perpetrator of the crime should rightly be punished. Molestation does not itself cause pregnancy and is this irrelevant to the matter under discussion. Choosing to gamble on an almost certain (but not guaranteed) outcome was the responsibility of the new parents before they became parents.
I think it's strange that people view the pro-life movement as "anti-woman" given that the majority of people who leaders in the pro-life movement ARE women. In fact, I can't name ANY pro-life movement leaders who are men.
I mean, you have these seven pro-life leaders who are frequently in the spotlight:
https://www.chooselifemarketing.com/womens-history-month-7-leaders-in-the-pro-life-movement/
... and I'd also add Marjorie Dannenfelser to that list.
Alabama made headlines a few years ago for passing the strictest anti-abortion legislation in the country. The Alabama governor who signed that legislation into law was Kay Ivey who, as you may have guessed, is a woman.
Plus, look at pictures of the pro-life marches that take place across the country. The majority of people who march appear to be women...
Women also seem to make up the majority of pro-life advocates who protest outside abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood offices...
So let's end this whole "the pro-life movement is anti-women and anti-women's rights" nonsense. The pro-life movement is about saving the lives of the unborn. That's all.
Yeah its fucked, don't know how such stupid people keep getting in power.
I've literally heard the argument that "if you're dumb enough to get pregnant you deserve to be stuck with a kid... so they literally want stupid unprepared people to be force to poorly raise the next generation, great idea.
I'm definitely pro choice, we are over populated so we don't need more kids even tho Ben shapiro says " if you don't have kids you are selfish and ruining america".
I absolutely hate kids going into foster homes or orphanages so I'd prefer if the parent don't have a home they just abort it.
I can't stand the prunes that say "your choice was at contraception" like you're never aloud to have sex for fun.
You ever notice how the prolife people who say every kid needs to be born haven't adopted any of the orphans? Weird.
Hell a friend of mine once argued with me for hours cause I said I was pro choice cause months before I told her 'sorry for your loose' cause she miscarried.
Like I can't morn a miscarriage and support people not ready to have kids at the same time.
Don't even try telling these people a baby and a fetuses are different things, it's a baby in their eyes even tho at 3 months it would look more like a drowned mouse that human baby.
You guys are just selfish and contradicting yourselves, you’re calling for your rights but you love killing innocent souls who had done nothing wrong except being your own fetus.
If you’re not willing to take responsibility of new born kids then simply stop having sex, and live alone.
If you really know what rights means you would know that others have rights as well, the world is not going to give you everything you want that you call your rights, as you have right that you want you should respect others rights.
And it is very simple in this case: stop having sex and you won’t harm new born life who deserves to get born and live a good life with full rights as you are asking for yourself.
Islam cares even for fetus life and rights, because it’s a new life and in Islam it’s big crime to kill a soul, a soul means fetus, new born, man, woman, young, old, even animals are souls we shouldn’t kill for fun as western hunters do..
And not having sex unless couple are married is one important step to care for so as to prevent leaving a child with no parents or killing him/her while still fetus or as new born.
However, most people attack Islam and call it terrorism and spread lies that Islam teaches killing while it is teaching justice, rights, and taking responsibility of our actions and protecting lives.
For which women? The ones who support abortion or the ones who don't? Feminists love to say abortion is a gender issue and one in which men are trying to "control women's bodies", but the facts show otherwise. Abortion rights is an ideological issue, not a gender issue, because opinions on the matter are virtually identical between men and women. In fact, if we removed men from the voting pool we would likely see an even larger percentage of voters with a pro-life view.
If women want more men to support abortion rights, they should stop having such a gynocentric view of reproductive rights. Men have zero reproductive rights today and I guarantee you that if men were given the legal right to a "paper abortions" (i. e., the right to legally absolve themselves of all responsibilities and rights as a parent), many would be more supportive of women's abortion rights.
Father's already leave at an alarming rate. Imagine if they could just deny a child with a signature.
And that would not be reproductive rights. You are not chosing whatever to have a child or not, you chosing whatever to be responsible for it or not. Because regardless of what you sign the baby is yours period. You reproduced.
When it comes to actual reproduction, all men can do is to have sex or not. With protection or not.
Until we have artificial incubators to replace women, it's their body, their choice.
I forgot you’re the one growing the Zygote inside you. Must have slipped my mind.
@StormMistress It's rare that a feminist actually sees things from anything other than a gynocentric perspective, but there is the occasional feminist who actually has the honesty and fairness to see both sides of an issue like this one. Here's is one such example. You should read it.
www.abc.net.au/.../8049576?nw=0&r=HtmlFragment
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Stop pretending to be a man. Everyone here knows by now that you're a woman with a blue GAG account.
I see it as a way of preventing selfish women from getting away with yet another thing they shouldn't be allowed to get away with. Women get away with far too much in modern society and yet they still believe they're being oppressed? They probably believe this because their rights have overacceded the rights of others and the degredation of said rights to make things equal is seen as oppression to them.
Also, women and men should just learn to be more careful and actually think about the implications about where unprotected sex will lead. I blame the Sexual liberation movements that have loosened society to the point where no one cares about the consequences of their actions. It's like women are supporting too unequal things. Being sexually liberated yet blame men for wanting to have sex and then use abortion as a form of birth control while claiming that all men are rapists. They're not seeing themselves as the ones instigating things. They just see themselves as sexy and want to show off because it makes them feel good until they end up taking it too far and still just can't blame themselves for their own actions. So they have to seek blame and utilize immoral means to protect themselves. When that's threatened, they cry sexism. Because it's easy to cry sexism.
The Handmaid's tale is basically oppression porn for hard-core feminists.
Thing to remember is that 51% of voters in the oklahoma are women. Though I'm opposed to abortion myself and would never have my unborn child killed I respect that voters in Britain and Ireland gave voted to make abortion legal.
I would be more worried about the government deciding if and when i can have a child and how many rather than whether I can have an abortion likely because I didn't use contraception which is on me as an adult responsible for my own reproductive rights not taxpayers or the government.
But yeah things are already supper regulated here. Very little you can do that doesn't involve some sort of government oversight that requires you to pay a government body for a licence and administration fee or a sort of tax. You need a licence to watch TV.
@David_Kek its not much different than a lot of those post apocalyptic movies and TV shows.
Well for starters you could try to prevent pregnancies that'd end in abortions in which case this law wouldn't affect you. Maybe practice a bit more personal responsibility rather than making others pay for your mistakes with their lives? Obviously, you know how children are made.
A big fault I see with pro life groups though is that they don't advocate for higher sentences for rapists which would protect women and help their cause. A rapist should not only spend a long time in prison but also pay compensation to the victim + child if she choses to keep it. Then likely more women would. Instead they only care until the woman gives birth and then leave her to fend for herself or help her adopt her baby out.
If you think killing a child is your “right”, then you are an immoral human being. Roe vs Wade was decided in a time where we didn’t have 3D ultrasounds to show a baby exists right after conception, does feel pain. If you’re a Christian, killing your child isn’t an option. Even if you’re not a Christian, there’s a lifetime of guilt and remorse associated with the decision to kill an unborn baby in the name of “choice”. 60 million abortions since 1973 is our modern holocaust.
Because you feeel violated does NOT make murdering a baby right‼️ Kill a beating heart but not a pet. Look at an actually Sonagram sometime.
Better yet, accompany to the Killing for
Ca💰h clinic and look 👀 at the Morhers who tear up in horror and DECIDE BETTER NOT TO KILL AND MURDER while in Sonogram Mobile
—-And yes, on Dark/Middle Ages BECAUSE that was the last time Women tried to emulate men. This feminist 💩 is not new. 2500-3000 years ago killing babies too‼️
—-Does it not bother you that you are promoting Murder for some Self-made Right. Could there be anything more wrong than killing the Defenseless. 🤷🏻♂️
What could you be possibly thinking⁉️
Zygote isn’t a newborn. Learn biology.
Stop lying to yourself up in your theoretical Ivory Tower. A beating heart is a life. The fact that they continue to thrive after abortion, per former abortion nurses and doctors, demonstrates how uninformed and scaled shut your eyes are.
—-IF YOU BELIEVE Zygote 💩 then you would not be troubled hoping in the Sonogram mobile with me and seeing 👀 reality.
—Apparently, you have never encountered one with a conscious, which is not totally seared, after 3, 6, and 9 months post. And never mind the shame and guilt that crushes them throughout their lives…When they could have adopted and met them later in life.
—-You pro-abortion guys are like most Atheists…, want to cry and whine but not investigate…contextually incorrect, and neither demonstrating academia or educational integrity.
It’s very scary and I feel very sorry for women in America. I can’t really comment on the politics and legal side too much as I don’t live in America, but i think the most important thing people can do is to ensure that reproductive rights are adopted into state laws. A lot of campaigning might also be helpful - I know there have been a few states that have pushed back against abortion bands so it might be worth ringing them up and asking for some support. I’d also say that signposting and providing transport to clinics in other states that don’t have bans is also really important for example before Ireland legalised abortions, there were a lot of charities which used to help women travel from Ireland to the uk for abortions- maybe something similar on a national level can be set up?
Not just America, Europe too. Mass immigration of men with backwards ideas about women are being bought into are countries is not helping.
Everytime we get harassed no one wants to get involved because they are scared of the repercussions and don't wanna look racist. I've complained before at work and I've just been told "it's in there culture to treat women that way" as if that's a good enough excuse. We actually have no Muslims at my work before any right wing nut job make that comment. It's actually a lot of the Romanians
I just think if these men constantly get what they want because people are scared what's stopping them from getting more power in the future
In the short term, and in the reddest of states. In the long term, society is still becoming ever more liberal, and public opinion is more pro-choice than ever before. The culture war is over, and the Christian right lost.
What we're seeing now, is the backlash from that, and them finally realizing (but refusing to accept) that, with the ones who still hold positions of power - in the most red states and the federal courts - desperately trying to make the most of it (by any means, fair or foul), while they still can, to A: keep hold of that power for as long as possible; and B: push through as many of these kinds of laws as possible.
There is a Darkness it has been coming 4 a long time it is all the evil around the world that is the Darkness that is what you feel and see we all have been given the choice to be come apart of it or walk in to the light be the light for others who can not see there is a mighty battle that is coming you will know when its here look in to the clouds for the light look within for the light fight for the light no matter how tired you are no matter how much you hurt Good V Evil weather you believe this or not it is your choice we are all apart of it we are all one of 2 sides its ur choice what side you choose. It's time for the light to take the earth back from the evil that has been here before us. It's getting closer each day. Find the light within
I think if a state bans abortion, then they should heavily invest in birth control and other preventive measures. Simply incurring an all out ban with no assistance or amped up education, will leave women in a state of emergency.
100% Vasectomies should be more standard too as they are reversible and solve a lot of issues:
They should make them free, and I bet you a lot of young men would opt in.
Course! But profit first after all.
Save a lot of unwanted teen pregnancies. I genuinely think it’s a good idea
It takes two to make a baby and both should be on birth control if they don't want children.
www.smithsonianmag.com/.../
@england4eva when people become like animals, banging with no bonds no marriage no nothing! These are the results!
If the majority of women weren't h*es and cheap than none of these things would of happened!
How funny it is if your body is your choice you say, but you will decide for men to have vasectomies so not hypocrite of you.
Use condoms be careful whom you have sex with instead of controlling someone's life.
Take responsibility for your body , also as you have so many previleges in comparison to men so is there a downside to that as women you have some key roles to play in the cycle of life
@Aakash_Hangargi I think you misunderstand. I don’t think we should force anything. However, making an expensive and reversible treatment free, would appeal to many young men. Free, is not mandatory.
I believe also making the mirena freely available (birth control) would prevent a lot of abortions also. I believe condoms are the best choice in every circumstance. However unfortunately they are not used hardly as much as they should. Hence the teen pregnancy and high abortion rates in other states.
Sorry free is mandatory 😂 (multi tasking)
@TonyMetal___86 The problem is that teaching abstinence doesn’t always prevent teen pregnancies, especially in particular cultures were sex is not taboo before marriage.
Therefore, in order to help prevent these young, girls and boys from raising children. It would be an idea to offer an easily available preventative, rather than just saying “don’t do it.”
As the statistics show this doesn’t stop enough young people from being naive and at times irresponsible. However, of course education and awareness would be ideal. We don’t always live in a perfect world we’re ideals are followed through 🙂
@England4eva , i was actually addressing the point Strommistress.
Thats what i am trying to say birth controls and surgeries to your sexual parts has consequences in your mid age and old ages .
The side effects are worst better to use condom.
See in every aspect of life we need to be carefull you don't lit a fire in house even though you know smoke alarms are there and water sprinlers present.
You would still make sure that the fire is not lit.
In similar ways you have to be responsible for your actions.
If your not smart enough to handle your own body and actions then you don't have any right to get pregnent.
And this i say solely based on actions and not external circumstances.
If you say my body my choice then it should be you should get your tubes tied instead of demanding or even putting a thought in someone else's mind to alter there body.
I don't think there is ban in tieing tubes? And also it's reversible.
That is what I meant by being hypocrite.
And it's a known fact most women use sex as a manipulation tool the sex starved guys would do it under the influence yet willingly the loop holes will always be there.
I am just saying if someone stating my body my choice shouldnot even advocate someone to change there bodies
@Aakash_Hangargi I’m actually against abortion 🙂(passed a few weeks)
I personally believe the length of time which you can have it, should be reduced (lots of sciency stuff as to why)
I also agree that these suggestions mentioned are definitely drastic measures, however I’m just trying to discuss real solutions to resolve a much more drastic measure, which is having an abortion.
Sorry I stole someone else’s reply, I don’t read intently on here, and type as I do other stuff.
I understand i didn't mention names , and i am answering very impartially here and anybody is up for debate is most welcome it was just that she mentioned the point.
The only thing honestly bothered me was the hypocracy here that's all and that to only to a point of debate everybody has there life and free todo what they want.
Even if it's not legalised they will find some other way.
Real solution is not be reckless if i am going to take out a pie from the Owen i will make sure i will put mittens on , because i already know the consequences what would happen if i don't.
Prevention is better than cure 🙂.
Knowlege is power
@Aakash_Hangargi Yeah, education is crucial. My only concern is that, education starts at home. So many kids are failed by lack of proper parenting, and schools do not push the dangers of unsafe sex not nearly enough.
Don’t worry, I don’t think we should be marching guys down to the hospital beyond their will haha😂 But, I do believe that if we take something away, then we should replace it with another option. By making these operations free it would at least prevent some unwanted pregnancies, and offer some kind of alternative (girls included) Maybe not many would opt in for them. But in life I believe girly in giving an alternative.🙂
Throughout history there have been so many examples of pulling the rug from people’s feet (banning alcohol being one of them) it tends to show it doesn’t make people suddenly comply. I also worry for illegal abortions also. Our politicians are very good at taking something away, but not so good at giving anything in replacement or an alternative. Even if it was a massive increase in pregnancy awareness. Instead, it’s simply crickets..
But yeah I agree in everyone beingwelcome to chime in. Two heads are better than one, two, three etc..
Offcourse , when the government can make operations free , can't they educate people it will be much cost effective don't you think? They can simply make a channel free broadcast where parents can force there kids to see them and they would be rewarded for watching it as positive reinforcement?
And that to in surveillance of parents isn't that a viable solution i think they can do it for kids age 10+ young minds are more adaptive to suggestions
@England4eva , the teens who get impregnated are mostly rebels or like under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
Excluding external entities or circumstances like molestation or rapes i understand why would someone want to get abortion because of the abuse now that's a reason someone would agree bc it's of someone else's wrong doings.
@Aakash_Hangargi thing is, there are more unwanted pregnancies due to negligence, rather than rape which only make up a small percentage and like yourself I agree do not come into the debate.
I dunno, maybe they could offer free operations for those within a catchment age, annnnd also pour more money into education? In my country all of this is free, so I know first hand the benefits of available options to prevent pregnancy in the first place. Perhaps this is why I lean to this option? Who knows!
You are from England right?
@Aakash_Hangargi as the name says 🙂
“100% Vasectomies should be more standard too as they are reversible and solve a lot of issues:”
Agreed. Yin/yang. It’s only fair.
@dustybiker If it saves a woman from the trauma and pain of having an abortion, and it saves a baby from losing its life. Surely it should be at least taken into consideration by our politicians.
People forget that abortions can trigger ptsd and regret for the woman also. We must do everything we can to prevent this in a smart and logical way 🙂
All true. Can’t disagree with that.
@dustybiker thanks dusty!
Lol so selfish of you 🤣
Have you ever thought If something goes wrong and in future you want a kid and not possible to make one lol , you will definetley leave the guy and go with someone else's while his screwed 🤣
What if later it results in ED for the carelessnes of yours a guy should get vasectomy lol very fair idea
Classic thing let the man sacrifice , and we shall enjoy with someone else later 😂
@Aakash_Hangargi It’s no less selfish than legally taking a woman's choice away from her own damn body. Take hers. Take his. Legally. Show a slip you’ve had the snip or no pre-marriage sex. Fair is fair. Black and white. Cuts abortions dramatically.
But if you are using proper tools there is no need to get to stage of abortion itself.
You don't have to go through abortion as a women and have trauma of painful experience.
I am really failing to understand this in normal circumstances Why is it necessary.
And the women's tubes could be tied your body your choice there is no ban on getting the tubes tied is there now?
@Aakash_Hangargi Which brings full circle back to the point. Leave everyone alone. No bans.
That i already know the question is why people drag men into this and yet say later my body my choice , if someone doesn't want men to have a say in something then they should not drag men into these matters and let them be.
People don't want their say , but they want their support not to have a say?
@Aakash_Hangargi Yeah, now you are missing the root point.
Hehe i did not miss it , but it feels a bit hypocritical to say the above statement i understand you won't be able to see that since your focus is on only one problem and not seeing it through others'pov
@Aakash_Hangargi Banning abortion and not requiring equal countermeasures is hypocritical, no?
I don't think it was just an idea of a guy? And it would be not hypocritical it's a preventive measure maybe just to not see dead fetuses lying every where .
If they medical council has made such a law i think there will be some medical reason to it.
Its like prevention like taking drugs.
If i say my body my rules and take drugs it will affect surroundings as well i cannot say like it's wrong to ban drugs even though it's life threatening to myself and to others
@Aakash_Hangargi In the line of drugs and keeping on topic.. Why should woman take birth control if men could be required to get the snip (with ban in place)? But again. This is full circle. I’m out.
I feel like calling it The dark ages is a little bit of a stretch
As for the reason it's happening
It's called clickbait
Literally
The United States is politically motivated and because of that the news uses politics to get ad revenue and that riles people up which makes them more political which makes the news even more money and it goes in a cycle until eventually we end up with something really bad happening
That's the dangers of propaganda
Basically if you want to keep your rights then hit the right target
Going after men aren't going to help because men are causing the problem in this case or at least men in general aren't
The government is just doing what the people of the state want so that's not going to help if you go after the government
No instead you have to go after who's giving people these thoughts and opinions which goes back to the news and other forms of media posting propaganda everywhere
Don't worry they be bringing back the law to kill women for been witches again. Just America been America with there dumb Christians dogmatic beliefs who just completely go against the founding fathers separation of church and state, then will also be the ones to swear upon "The 2nd amendment" while supporting the founding fathers.
You don't need abortion you have the pills, condom and lots of others protection, if you don't want children use it.
Also life is precious, abortion is murder.
Rapists and Molesters don’t care about that do they. Birth control isn’t full proof either. Accidents do happen. Teenagers arnt the most responsible either are they.
It's not teen that used the most abortion do they? It's adult.
Rapist is another matter and they definitely doesn't even represent 10 percent of abortion.
Accident can't happen if you use it in the ways it should be use (you shouldn't use one protection but 2 like using a condom and the pills you don't just use the pills, you need to use 2 protection at the same time).
Also if people are old enough to have sex they're old enough to deal with the consequences of their action. If they truly don't want children they should just not have sex at all.
@StormMistress Rape is 1% of all abortions in USA according to statistics. It's marginal
It's funny. The liberal media has done a great job of convincing most women in the US that the only right they should care about is the right to kill their own children. Tons of rights have been trampled the last decade or so. But this infanticide is the only one that most women care about. How about women use birth control, self control, and good judgement instead of claiming to have the right to kill other people just because they're dumb?
Hmm... and no one believed me when I said the "Republicans" are actually chipping away at your rights quietly on the federal level, while they focused on the 2nd amendment distraction at got three of their judges to SCOTUS jammed through. Same thing is happening in the states. Keep electing hard core Conservatives folks, and the United States WILL indeed be Gilead.
I'm glad to know that some people in America 🇺🇸 still have morals and fight for the unborn with making these laws! 🤰
America is a big place, about half of it see life as starting at conception, and that makes abortion some form of infanticide. For the mere convinces of the party that Choose to create the dependency.
It's all a system, but abortion is the least of the concern. Sure I know many women get raped/incest/etc but then there's 10x more junkies and crackheads HAVING babies that really need to be the ones aborting or putting them up for adoption - but they don't. And then these women go to rehab later in life, complain about their kids doing bad.. but bitch, u were a fuckin pill popper when u were pregnant! I mean.. it's all a plan anyway. Just like "COVID"
When men are held accountable for their actions it's status quo. When they got mowed down on DDay just another day. When women are actually held to account and expected to be treated like adults while demanding the respect of me, God forbid all hell breaks lose.
Yes, it looks like it's going that way. Almost like woke 3rd/4th wave feminism didn't do much of shit huh? It got fat women on magazine covers, turned white women into 'oppressed victims' so they could some sweet sweet attention, it allowed schools to discriminate against boys, the workplace to discriminate against men, it got y'all a little space there in 2018-2020 where you could destroy men for not agree with you.
Aaaaand now these conservatives red states are gearing up to fuck women over from every angle. Enjoy.
So now most women should think twice before opening their legs blindly to anyone they meet because of this good decision, instead of killing their innocent babies carelessly.
Oh that’s nice. Shaming women who have healthy sex lives. What else is new. What about rape and molestation then hmm? Guess it’s their fault to for dressing to slutty hey.
Wise lady...
This is not shaming it’s a fact and you can’t call it heathy sex life since it’s not healthy at all, if you keep sleeping with every guy you see in a club, street, coffee shop, first dates and the list can go on. Second not sure why you are so upset about a decision that is correct to put women on the right track of their lives instead of having sex and then cry about not wanting a baby and just decide to kill it like its nothing then move on.
@Caramelpie don't you think that a girl should stay virgin until marriage?
Smart girl!
@StormMistress dont bother trying to speak sense into whoever that is behind that account. Them and all the other incels ( given the replies on this thread) dont acknowledge the dark , grim situations that push women and girls to require an abortion due to them having the privilege to remove those grim truths from their mind and continue living in their secular bubble of a life.
It all comes down to the definition of human life.
Half the states feel that happens sometime before birth, half feel it happens sometime after.
The Federal Constitution does not provide an answer to this question nor does it define any similar domestic question which is why until Row v. Wade it was a state issue as it still is in all other such questions.
The Federal Government was after all created to be a "Government of few and defined powers" of a forign nature not domestic.
Thats the problem with having only two political extremes (Right & left), options are either all or nothing. There is no middle ground.
I'm generally pro-life, but I could accept abortion in extreme cases of rape, incest, underage pregnancy or threat to the mothers life or health.
It shouldn't be used as an alternative to contraception by careless adults, and if so in these cases of consensual sex, the father should have the right to be notified.
There is a middle ground, let the state legislators decide the issue again as they had prior to Roe v. wade and people can vote with their feet as they do on every other such issue.
We have a federalist system so that you don't have to agree with the local majority on such issue.
pretty much, but to be fair, not much of what america has ever shown has been that progressive compared to others.
everyones so focused on the clickbait abortion topic: one sentence for this: they're not banning abortions, they're banning "safe" abortions.
folks here too busy pushing the "abortion is murder, women are sluts" to even have read the full question XD XD
Killing babies isn't a right, it's just something that whores do. Women have too much control already. They decided whether they have a baby or not, they decide whether they receive custody or not, they decide whether a man pays child support or not. Guess what, it still takes two people to create and raise a baby. Please stop with this feminist nonsense already.
It may take two to create a baby but you’re not the one with the baby oven are you. You just have to shoot your seed and your done for 9 months. We have to deal with the consequences of growing a baby inside us and if it’s not wanted we can’t just walk away for the most part can we. I’ll bet if men could get pregnant these anti abortion laws would never exist.
There's multiple other contraception methods one can take to prevent pregnancy besides killing the baby. Really all it comes down to is that women want all of the control and they want to be whores in society. I see women arguing for the latter all the time, the abortion thing is just a side point.
Well, if it does become Gilead it will be because women didn't want to unite, organize, vote and find a way to stop it.
You cannot leave the liberation of yourself or the group you identify with in someone else's hands.
Some women are sitting on the sidelines actually believing that things can't go too far. They don't know how wrong they are.
No its coming out of the dark ages, and into an age of enlighten for men, who finally realized that they have an equal voice and are tired of being perceived falsely as abuser at the expense of a feminist man slaying agenda.
Oh its about abortion... yeah that is some bull shit doesn't look good as long as republican's control the Supreme Court, but what goes around comes around it will swing back in time.
Poland abortion law make sense, and good girls avoid abortion don't they? :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodGirlsAvoidAbortion
I support the ban of abortion and if the morals and values needs us to get back to the dark ages to earn them again than i'm ready!
These new generations have never brought us something good, everything is corrupted, destroyed and all the traits that makes us humans are being lost!
Freedom, what freedom? You mean feee the nip and the boobs 🤣🤣
The lgbtq community, the feminazis? Give me a break 😂😂
So basically you want a society where the man is king and the woman is there to serve his needs and take care of the house and children first and foremost.
@StormMistress Tbh yes about the wife doing her basic role but you're assumption is wrong, well at least for me because personally if my wife makes me a king than i'll make her a queen...
Personally i'll never marry a girl who doesn't adores becoming a housewife and doing the house chores, raising raising the babies and making her husband always as her 1st priority is something that she must be proud of because even when the husband works outside, earns money to provide for his wife and family, he does it all for his wife and kids because they are his everything too...
A good wife is the wife who serves her man, not because she is forced to, but because she loves him from her heart and he is her man so serving him is the norm and when she's sick, he will serve her...
Anyways he is already serving her and his family by working outside and paying all the bills and bringing food to the table...
You see between a man and his wife, there is no such thing as i serve you and you serve me, they simple take care of each other the way they should be...
He can never be a king if he treats his wife like a slave and she can never be a queen if she doesn't respects her husband and makes him happy!
Abortions should only be allowed under harsh reasons and medically approved...
For example if a girl gets raped than she's free to have an abortion and the rapist will be severly punished...
Also before banning the abortions there should be a high education taught at kid in schools about it and that sex without taking maximum safety measures is unacceptable at all and sex should be reserved till marriage!
We must celebrate a life coming to this world and not kill it!
I mean I agree with a lot and disagree with other points. I’m a submissive homemaker care taker type so I love taking care of my man.
But that’s me personally. Just because that’s what I love to do doesn’t mean all women should. About freedom of choice. Do what makes you happy.
Abortion I personally could never go through but I don’t begrudge a woman who does as everyone’s situation and circumstance are different. No one gets an abortion without giving it a lot of thought.
Sex before marriage is naive in my opinion. Humans are sexual creatures. It is fun and as long as you’re smart and practice safe sex there’s nothing wrong with having a healthy sex life in general. I would never begrudge my partner from having sex before they met me for example.
Okay let me comment on the things that you have mentioned one by one...
1st about being a housewife, i admire that you love becoming a housewife, it shows that you're a real lady who is ready to get married and have a family, no one is allowed to make you feel useless if you want to be a housewife because the housewife role is something thag i treasure in a woman and the most important and basic role for a female!
About being submissive well it's okay because a real man do know how to make his housewife feels like a queen and does know to take care of her and always put a smile on her face because her happiness is his happiness too...
2nd now about the freedom of choice, well yes i do not support to force all women to become homemakers because women are humans just like a man and god gave them a soul and they are just like us when it comes to being free, every woman have the choice to work or to stay at home and no man would want to force a woman not to work because he won't be happy and that's why there should be a balance between women who loves becoming homemakers and the women who loves to work outside but still a woman's job shouldn't be full time jobs if she's married and have kids, just my opinion!
3rd i respect you're decision about not wanting tk have an abortion at all, because a baby is a gift from god and the seed of love between you and you're husband...
Believe me that the majority of abortions aren't done because of harsh reasons but because of the lack of morals and stupidity and not taking any precautions, more like a game, if something happens, we just push the reset mode!
4th we are sexual creatures because we have emotions, without emotions we would be like animals just banging each other in a huge orgy and that's why god granted us the gift of marriage so that a man and a woman can be united in a holy ceremony and after marriage they will earn the blessing of god and become one spiritually and physically and this point after becoming a family and not strangers anymore, they can make sex as much as they want and at anytime...
Also if the wife gets pregnant, the woman doesn't have to worry about anything other than the decorations and celebration that she will make when she delivers the baby 😊
Her husband is on her side, holding his responsibilities towards his wife and baby and he make sure that they are well fed, warm and safe...
People are free to have sex before marriage but this ain't the right thing to do because sex should be reserved to someone who truly deserves it...
You said that you won't open up about sex with you're future man, BUT who said that it's okay for a man to have sex before marriage?
At least if a couple wants to have sex before marriage, make sure that you love each other and planning to get married later in life...
Finally, still all these views are my personal views and i don't dictate them or force them on others...
That was a nice read. We may not agree on all things Tony but Thankyou for being respectful and a perfect gentleman about it. I appreciate it a lot. You would honestly be a wonderful husband to have.
Thanks miss @StormMistress for also being ana amazing wonderful lady who speaks her mind honestly...
Also thanks for being respectful and for all these kind words, you deserve all the good things coming towards you and a man who makes you happy from you're heart and love only you forever because you're a real lady and real ladies these days are rare and very precious...
At least you're natural looking and not a fake doll 😌
Have a nice day and always stay safe 😊
Ditto to you lovely 🥰
I´m not sure because I´m not living in the US it´s time for the guys to do their duty of reducing the risk of unwanted pregnancies (but for some that might to be too much for them).
Another possibility could be trying to come up with other forms of intimacy than sex as a couple.
Maybe it helps to reduce the sexualization of dating and makes friends with benefits less attractive.
Women have almost a dozen forms of birth control, the morning after pill and can simply say no if the guy refuses to wear or use a condom.
Men have one form of birth control - condoms.
No one is gonna care about a woman's body more than the woman herself.
It´s obviously not enough because the pill has negative consequences some women don´t like to take it that often.
Also most guys I know simply don´t care if a woman tells them to wear a condom because they are stronger anyway.
There must come other forms of birth control for men until then the problem will be around because abortion is a symptom of a deeper problem that is seperation and missing acknowledgement between men and women.
If a man refuses to wear a condom, then she should put her pants back on. Or she should make this stipulation prior to even getting to the bedroom or wherever. Condoms are for disease prevention as well, and unless they've known each other for awhile, I can't fathom why both wouldn't take that into consideration, but that's a different conversation.
A beta-test of a male birth control pill was done some years ago but didn't advance due to different side effects that the men were succumbing to, one of which I believe was infertility after a certain duration, but I could be wrong.
Ever have a condom break? Yeah, that was quite the lovely feeling for both of us, however we were lucky 'cuz I felt something was off (literally, I guess) within like twenty seconds and knew I had to investigate. The situation was actually kinda funny in a cute way, 'cuz she asked me if I would've kept going even if I felt something was wrong. When I quietly held up the busted condom, she stared at it few a few seconds, looked at me blankly for a few more seconds, and I could tell it finally dawned on her what she said had literally just happened. She burst out laughing, covering her face. I laughed too and gave her a hug.
no lol
the bible is playing out
rinse and repeat nothing new under the sun
Isaiah 3:16
The LORD says, “The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with outstretched necks, flirting with their eyes, strutting along with swaying hips, with ornaments jingling on their ANKLES.
I shall bring them down when the day comes
Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion;
the Lord will make their scalps bald
among other things
@Andro36
GLORY TO MY CHRIST ABOVE THE DOME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmBYV4kxS4w
Can women go to another states to get it done or do u have to be a residence in that state that will do it? yeah that sucks everyone should have the right to decide on there own on that topic and I love my child she a teenager now if it was me I would take responsibility that's me tho! but everyone should have the right to do what they want.
why do you think abortions are "about women"? they're about the life and the rights of an unborn baby, not about the woman. like you can agree or disagree with abortion. i don't care. but it's not about freaking women.
and if it's about women, then what about men? do they not have the right to "not have their baby murdered"? how is it fair that a woman can decide to kill a baby that is genetically 50% his?
imagine a man could decide to kill your baby and you had no say in that. how would you feel about that?
@UCrayCray well if using this argument, abortion is fine, why can't you kill your 5 year old?
@UCrayCray yes labor sucks and pregnancy makes women go through some very tough physical shit. Though A: i don't think that entities her to murder get baby and B: it's not a choice for men not to do that. It's female privilege. Aren't women for equality?
A 5 year old is independent and not physically connected to and feeding off of the mother. This is why killing a 5 year old is nothing like abortion.
Female privilege huh?
How about the male privilege of being able to become a parent without having to endure pregnancy and childbirth? Where is the equality in that?
Repeat after me. A Zygote isn’t a newborn baby. Learn biology.
I'm just amazed that you call a developing life in your body "yours" and it's ok to kill it as long as it's in your body. But once it's outside of your body, suddenly it becomes it's own thing? It's amazing of people twist reality to make their argument.
But again. Put yourself in the shoes of someone else for once. You're a guy and the woman decides to kill your baby. Is that cool to you?
@genericname85
At what point did I say that the developing baby in my body is “mine?” I didn’t.
Tell me, how many things have you been expected to carry inside your body while being told at the same time that you have no say or get any consideration while carrying that something in your body?
What’s amazing is the way you discount everything a woman goes through. “Yes, labor sucks…”
It more than sucks, and not just the labor. But I wouldn’t expect you to understand that. You never have to worry about someone trying to force you to endure it.
“Put yourself in the shoes of someone else for once.” Excuse me? Like you do? Have you ever considered why some woman have abortions? Have you ever put yourself in their shoes?
You should try it yourself before demanding it of others.
@UCrayCray well you used the "my body" argument to legitimate killing a growing human xD. look. i'm not completely against abortions either. i think there's certain circumstances for that being ok. but generally it should be forbidden. meaning there's exceptions. not like you go into the abortion clinic instead of using condom. i don't care about your labour. unless you were raped, youa re at fault for being in labour, so don't bitch and moan about it. men would do it, if they could choose. and nothing of that adresses the raging inequality there that just alows women to kill a mans child at will. cause as i said. the thing you're killing in your belly is 50% his.
so this is not about women. it's about equality and the human life. but of course feminists always wanna make everything about women. that's their job, i guess.
@genericname85
“well you used the "my body" argument…” but it is my body. Did you not know that? You have your body…. which is yours. And I have my body…. which is mine.
Does this concept somehow confuse you? Or are you just blinded by your male privilege? You don’t have ever live through it yourself, so it’s unimportant and not worthy of consideration. 🙄
“I don’t care about your labour.”
I know! You already expressed that the woman doesn’t count. Why would you care what she has to endure? Like you said, all that she has to go through has nothing to do with her, right? 🙄
“Men would do it…” Oh please! If men had give birth, abortion pills would be easier to obtain than boner pills, and there wouldn’t be any restrictions either.
You rage about inequity, yet don’t want to address, or even acknowledge, the inequalities of human reproduction. All you whine about is “it’s 50% mine. It’s 50% mine.” Well I’ll tell you what, when your body does 50% of the growing and birthing, you can have 50% of the say. The 5 minutes you spend in the bedroom depositing sperm doesn’t give you a say over what her body has to endure for the next 9 months. It interesting that you believe it does.
You want claim that your position is about human life? Am I to assume that you are in favor of mandatory organ donation? It’s just a minor inconvenience for you to donate a kidney to someone to save their life.
Can you be counted on to advocate for laws forcing mandatory organ donation?
Yeap.
And to a certain user I won't name here, I fucking told you so.
Your slowly becoming my favorite
Why is it always presented like unless there is 100% freedom to have an abortion at any time during the pregnancy, women are losing all of their rights? Personally I think abortion is going to be looked back in a hundred years the same way we look back at slavery.
Aren't women the majority of voters, especially when it comes to apportion issues? I don't really care about said issue one way or the other, but if you honestly think those women vote that way because they want to be second class citizens, then you're an idiot. They vote for it because they believe a fetus should have human rights, not that women shouldn't have rights.
Women are losing their rights because abortion is prohibited, 😹😹😹😹 I am a medical student, and I am very glad that the United States outlaws abortion (murder / dismemberment of fetuses) I hope they are also outlawed in other states. Congratulations. 🥳🥳🥳🥳
This photo is dope haha
As someone who supports early term abortion, how is this going back to the dark ages lol? Are we suddenly slapping women for speaking in front of guests? Forcing them to consummate against their will? Removing their right to vote? Preventing them from owning property?
The way things a going it’s only a matter of time in my opinion. Slippery slope.
You haven't seen anything yet.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lVR1hR0Xd1IC/
What we seek is nothing less than a New American Nation State. They may appease the cuckservatives, but they will not appease us, at least with nothing short of surrender.
Also, don't call yourself "woman" Jezebel. You are an insult to what is considered a woman.
What do you consider a woman then? Subservient, mother and caretaker of the home and man first and foremost I’ll bet. Ironically I actually fit all those descriptions in real life lol. But regardless of my personal desires it’s my choice and that’s the point choice.
It's not your "choice" it's your privilege that you quite obviously take for granted. Hardly surprising. Most American (And Western in general) women, have so little to complain about they watch listen to propaganda media/entertainment all day night in their first world privileged life, (((they))) have given spoiled women something to complain about, because, well, housewives get bored. There are remedies for that (it's called a hobby,) one a little more respectable than bitching about your privileged life.
I bet if we traded "jobs" for half a week you'd be begging to trade back and come to learn to appreciate what you have.
I said nothing about being "subservient." I have no problem with there being equality in marriage. Course, I wouldn't become married to a woman that was stupid enough to want to slave away at a job 5 or 6 days a week. Ironic that huh?
@mossberg
I don’t know that we’ve ever spoken but I love what you wrote and I did watch the video a little bit.
I consider myself to be a clerical fascist. I am however not a Nazi and am against Nazism. I’m strictly a clerical fascist (fascism with christian religious beliefs mixed in) I am unashamed of calling myself a fascist. I find the current morally degenerate state of our country disturbing and alarming. I find paramilitary groups like Antifa to be quite concerning and firmly believe left wing politicians and groups like Antifa are In actually Marxists who are using our freedoms to promote the internal destruction of this country. I can no longer say they are of simply a different political view but rather involved in conspiracy to destroy the country from within and rebuild it with a Marxist view in mind. Although ideologically I do agree with the conservatives they seem to be more interested in debating these people instead of denouncing them for the traitors and degenerates they are. They don’t seem interested in taking a more hard line stance and calling things what they are. They seem deceived into thinking the leftists are just part of the political process when in reality they are internal enemies bent on the destruction of our country and way of life.
By chance are you also a fascist?
If so please add me as a friend.
@mossberg
I would also add that I am greatly concerned if a people can handle freedom and remain free. The thing with freedom is that it requires personal responsibility and sound judgment otherwise it just degenerates into hedonism.
I also think we need to redefine some of our freedoms. For example freedom of speech. I have no major issue with being able to voice one’s opinions, but within reason. I deeply doubt the founding fathers of this country intended for us to use freedom of speech to tell people that inverting your penis makes you a woman and it’s a good thing, or to promote things like abortion and call them women’s rights. In my view these are not matters of different opinion but outright lies are they are destructive. In my view people ought not be allowed to say or promote such things. Likewise to espouse Marxism which is ideologically against EVRY principle this country was founded on and it’s doctrines will rot the country from within. How can we say it’s a good thing to promote ideas that are literally against this country? That’s called treason by any other definition. Promoting ideas that are not only harmful but rot the moral fabric of this country aren’t simply just alternative lifestyles but harmful to people as individuals and the nation as a whole. No country or people can survive under such circumstances. I strongly doubt our founders had it in mind that people have the right to say such things and there are many other things too lengthy to mention that seriously make me wonder if we don’t redefine what constitutes freedom of speech or other things that have been more recently allowed as a “freedom” if this nation will be around in another 25 years.
@mossberg
I would further add a good enough if not nearly all Republican politicians seem corrupt. They treat the duties of their office with contempt. Many seem more to have self interest than national interest. They seem to be more interested in being career politicians than denouncing the traitors, than using their voice to call things what they are…all because they don’t want to risk not being re-elected. I find this to be disgusting, and abuse of power, an abuse of their position, and they are in fact guilty of allowing the demise of our country for votes. They seem more interested in giving each other handjobs than standing tall and proud against tyranny. They make promises they can’t or don’t intend to keep.
Yes, I will always vote for Republicans as they are the lesser of the two evils in the hopes they can manage to at least put aside self interest just once and accomplish some good, but whereas the Democrats are guilty of treason, the Republicans are typically guilty of negligence and complicity. Their office and duties are to serve the country and its people not line their pockets and enjoy private jets all while saying mostly the right things but actually doing nothing.
I think a revamp, not a complete destruction but simply an overhaul of what really constitutes our rights and freedoms, this time to ensure personal responsibility and sound judgment in exercising those rights and a revamp of our political system is required or this nation is doomed. No more lobbying. No more taking bribes and selling out the country and the citizens in it. Strict punishment for political corruption and denying their oaths of office in deed if not in word. No more internal enemies allowed to use our freedoms against us. No more promoting all forms of graft and vice under the guise of freedom of speech. Like porn. The founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves to learn such a thing is protected under freedom of speech.
@mossberg
Lastly this has been far too long already and I apologize for that but why are people who agree or at least sympathize with my views NOT using language as you and I do? For example how you called this woman a jezebel. Why when they do use their voices do they use soft and unassuming language? Why are we not calling things what they are? I’m sorry, if someone thinks inverting their penis makes them a woman they’re not mentally ill, they’re a godless moral degenerate and a pervert. People seem to feel afraid to apply terms that are true even if they offend. People who do such things ought to have shaming language applied to them because what they do is shameful. It’s not an “alternative lifestyle” it’s a frigging perversion against God and nature. People who call others who are against illegal immigration racists aren’t mislead, they’re pathological liars and manipulators who misrepresent the truth willfully. People who think abortion is ok are murders, they’re brutes, they’re morally corrupt and usually (key word) got pregnant because they’re whores and harlots and filthy prostitutes who failed to collect even a cent in their harlotry. Why is no one calling the leftists Marxists, and traitors? Why are they not being referred to as enemies of the state?
I’m sick and tired of no one using the words we have in English that have a sense of shame attached to them to define things as they are. If someone thinks scraping parts out of an unborn child from the womb is acceptable they ought to be call evil, and a jezebel because THATS WHAT THEY ARE. If the shoe fits it’s should be given to them to wear in the appropriate size. Sick and tired of people being so accepting of things that only in my grandparents day would have been abhorrent and repulsive to the public at large. Sick of people who hate this country. If you subvert this country through language or politics you should be hanged for treason.
@Exterminatore I am glad there are at least a few like-minded people on this website. I notice, we are growing in number across all internet platforms. I do not know if you meet the required 18-35 White (100% European-blooded) Male American, but you should consider joining our movement.
You can read the manifesto and apply at http://www.patriotfront.us . You can participate in actions in your region, instead of pure internet banter, which can be helpful, but useless on it's own. We need a real-world presence and we've got one.
To answer your question i'm not sure what my level of fascism is. I suppose less so than most of my compatriots, but enough so that "New America's" government will be forced to adhere to the foundations in which our colonialist founders had written in the original Constitution (which may never be ratified,)
As soon as the Constitution was ratified and the new government was established, the white European basis for the American identity was immediately reflected in public policy. The first law on immigration and naturalization as an American citizen was signed by President George Washington. This law limited naturalized citizenship to “free white persons of good moral character.”
I believe in enforcing this once we get back to our foundations. So I suppose fascist in a way, sure, however I'm not so sure I agree in the ideals of an autocratic government, as that opens the door for many things to go wrong over time (such as the wrong person (s) coming to power.)
Myself, personally, and there a lot of different opinions on "extremes" within PF and the general WN community, but I focus my efforts in what I have some control in, that is to rally my people, that is to recruit as many "normies" back into the tribe as possible before the day of revolution.
@Exterminatore I have read your other comments and I appreciate your ideals, but I imagine this would be better meant for private conversation, in saying so you are welcome to send me a private message.
Here is a reading of our manifesto, if you'd rather listen and not be bothered to read it to yourself, and what I believe "in a nutshell."
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FCO6cz0Ge50n/
@StormMistress I hope you, miss, are more open-minded than you've come off. To me no European/Euro-American soul is purely dispensable, and I would urge you to understand our position. Our goal is greater than our individual selves. Our collective goal is to protect white women, and white men again. Our race, and our nations are under direct, relentless assault, on our values and morals. I know many women within our movement, the do not see themselves as being subjugated as your profess. Women are monumental in our people's future. Woman are not simply child-bearers, and care-givers. In fact, I have met women within my own ideology whom are even more knowledgeable than I, 7 years in. I was even engaged to a White fasc-woman for a time. In is long past-due you challenge everything you "think you know." I will not lie to you, it takes great integrity and even greater will power to challenge the mountain of lies we were raised on and grew up in.
I will leave you with this; Our resistance to the destruction of our people WILL BE ABSOLUTE.
I agree with much of what you said.
While I do not hate any other race nor do I believe any race is superior to any other race, I do believe there is an open attack on whites. This is abundantly clear in Woke Ideology which labeled ALL whites automatically racists and oppressors upon birth, which is clearly racist. I also see deliberate attempts to shake whites, to discriminate against them and harm them in a number of ways. It is abundantly clear the ONLY race discriminated against and persecuted by official policy of the government and various institutions is whites. I am fed up with this and furiously against it.
In regards to fascism I do not like an autocratic nor totalitarian system where, yes, clearly there is little oversight and the door is wide open for all types of problems.
This is my only issue with Fascism. I do like the 3rd position economic stance of fascism which is a marriage of state and cooperate power a mix of capitalism and socialism. While I despise socialism I do feel cooperations have far too much political power. For example Coca Cola telling its employees to be less white. Yet these degenerates have the money to buy power and legislation in their favor. I do favor capitalism in the sense of a meritocracy. Those who achieve do better, those who do not because they care not fail. No handouts for bums.
By all means add me and we continue in private.
I do not meet the age requirements of that group so you are correct.
And yes. Fascism and people like us are growing. More and more are fed up with the utter degeneracy of the left.
I would also add that the message given by the left is clear. White people = bad. There is an attempt to blend all the peoples and cultures of the world into 1 homogeneous blob. Globalism they call it and try to explain it away as if it’s just some sharing of technology or international trade. Lies!
What is so wrong with being proud of the European cultures us whites come from? Being proud of our ancestral heritage? In BC times the Romans had advanced architecture, roads, aqueducts, law and and a Republic. Other nations and peoples still live in huts made of sticks and leaves and hunt with primitive weapons. What exactly is so wrong with wanting to preserve our traditions and cultures instead of blending into some repulsive blob where no individuality exists culturally?
Sick of this notion that being white is equal to being evil. It was Europeans who laid the foundations for the overwhelming amount of technology and free societies we have today.
Blacks run around speaking of cultural appropriation. Hypocrites! Then stop speaking English. That’s part of white European culture. Change your last names from Smith and Mitchell to Borbor. Stop using technology invented by Europeans. Sick of this hypocrisy. Sick of no one calling BS but just sitting passively by. Soon it will be: enslave all the white people and no one will bat and eye.
Why the deliberate islamification of Europe? Those people are barbaric and don’t share European values, language or culture. Then they act surprised when rape gangs roam England and deliberately threaten people with jail time for revealing the race and religion of the perpetrator. Yet no one seems to see any of this as a problem. Instead were told this is progress. Disgusting!
No, it's going too far in the other direction. Men have to work all their life and shine above everyone else to make $50k per year only to lose 20% of that in taxes while one girl can take a picture of her feet and instantly make $200k in one day untaxed. Cry me a river about not being able to kill babies that you created due to your own irresponsibility
You are talking crazy.
But... it is the entitled, spoiled, privileged, radicalized western women who complain the most about how bad women have it and how they are oppressed.
Dark ages?
You are so tone deaf it is laughable.
I think women should be able to kill their own babies, but they should do it with their own two hands, rather than be cowards that don't want this on their conscience.
A Zygote isn’t a newborn.
There was a law in the UK where women could kill their babies up to one year old. I don't know if that's still the case, but it was a thing.
Never heard of it. Sounds pretty suss to me in all honesty. Like really suss.
And yet you never commented on it. I think you get my point.
en.wikipedia.org/.../Infanticide_Act
Maybe they should take responsibility for their decisions in life instead of thinking they can do anything they please with no consequences.
There are over 600,000 abortions in the USA EACH YEAR and most of them are just used as birth control.
Give me actual data that most are used as birth control. That’s stupid and you know it. Actual birth control exists so no one is going to use it as their go to option to prevent pregnancy.
Although no one, has the right kill anther person simply because that person, by choice of the killer, had become a burden to them.
Things have indeed gotten worse for women in recent years in many states from having their greatest achievement dismissed to being thrown into the arena with far larger and stronger men where they get beaten up and abused.
There does seem to be a war on women however inadvertent it might be.
You are going to have to find a way to convince those who are pro-life that the zygote/fetus/parasite, or however one wishes to dehumanize it, isn't in fact a separate human life with its own, unique genetic makeup from the moment of conception. And then you have to convince them why the mother's "right" to abort it outweighs the child's right to life.
That is your mission, should you choose to accept it.
Good luck.
A reset will probaly to happen for women.
And other women will help.
American women mainly white woman don't have enough babies and they are rating feminine men or gay or trans.
Or the country will split and liberals will be in there states while republican will be in the others.
But republican will be in power for the next 12 years.
Honestly, not having abortions is a good thing.
Should only be allowed for medical reasons and crearly proven rape victims.
(not just claimers to exploit).
Mandatory DNA testing should be done with every birth.
And lie detectors should be worked on to get them working reliably, would be great for catching man hoes and dirty politicians.
Things are too liberal right now.
But that's just me 😗
Republicans still exists, of course we’re going backwards. Every progressive thing we accomplish as civilized people will always be at risk with Republicans existing
You're welcome to leave the country at any time.
You’re a drain on this country. Time for you to pack your shit and head out.
@曹鹏joe
Don’t worry. Thanks to the left being so radical these moral degenerates who think murdering children in the womb and can’t define what a female is will soon be powerless. Even very moderate people are tired of the leftist extremism and soon they will have very little political power as many will be voted out of their positions and this little Marxist rebellion from within will not be soon forgotten nor forgiven by most.
@Exterminatore aww poor you. Sooo negatively and PHYSICALLY affected by pregnant women. People like you really believe you’re so important and can actually force women to give birth. Not going to happen. Even when you sadists pass laws against abortion lol. And that’s with every crap anti human law you support
@pink
Fine. Be murder then. A proud murder. Good for you.
@Exterminatore Fetuses are parasites, an invader so no one’s a murderer. Educate yourself.
@pink
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parasite
Key words there harms the host.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetus
Key words developing humans.
Let’s try to stick to the proper definitions of words.
If a pregnant woman goes swimming does that make her a submarine?
Why do people think everyone has agree with their definition of life everywhere? Why can't Oklahomans be left to decide such issues in Oklahoma via the legislative process such like all other such domestic issues including all other forms of Murder and/or "medical procedures". If you don't like it in Oklahoma you got 49 other states to choose from. Pick one.
It is undemocratic and anti-republican to let courts dictate such enumerated policies on a case by case basis.
"it certainly feels like our rights are being pushed backwards more and more."
Other than restricting infanticide and banning chicks with dicks from competing in women's sports, what "rights" are those?
Just curious, do you think we should start purging some kids so that the population in the US goes down? It would allow more women to be freed from childcare duties to return to the workforce. To be Pro-abortion means you should be Pro-purge to help reduce the population... which makes 100% sense logically.
Women's rights aren't being pushed backward, babies rights are being pushed forward. It's sad how there are many who want kids and try everything to have them and can't, while some who doesn't has kids no problem and kills them like it's a walk in the part.
No one has an abortion easily or without thought! It’s a bloody hard thing to do but that’s it’s still a woman’s right to have the choice. I would never have one but I would never restrict or judge another for doing so. Everyone’s situation is different.
we should give them affirmative action and tons of women only scholarships and make all the divorce laws gynocentric and lower the standards for everything to accommodate them and make taxpayers foot the bill to raise their out of wedlock children and let them get rich off fake discrimination suits... oh wait!!
the past 80 years have been the most peaceful, wealthy, and tolerant time in history. you are living in the final days of that time.
you will find that most of your values are not compatible with the future. the incredible violence and hate coming ensure that a lot of rights will need to be curtailed.
the end of history is finally over
I see that people who support abortion are ignorant, and you are even more so, "zygote is not newborn", the zygote only lasts one day after conception, that is, the zygote is not aborted, a FETUS is aborted.
I wonder if this stupid woman knows how abortions are performed. She does know she does, and yet she supports the dismemberment of fetuses. She's just a fucking bitch.
Sigh I know that I’m just making a point to Idiots who think a newborn is the same as life at contraception.
Grow up and go back to school. You clearly need further education. A foetus is less self aware than an ant. It isn’t the equivalent of a newborn.
Also don’t call me a bitch! Grow up!
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😂😂😂😂 this bitch says that because the fetus is not self-aware then it must be legal to kill it.
It is not equivalent to a newborn says this bitch, 😂😂😂😂 literally, if a six-month-old fetus undergoes a cesarean section, it is immediately considered a newborn. With that, he defeated his argument. Mature ridiculous bitch, already 30 years old, but from the photo of her she looks at least 45.
You're pissed because states are banning your right to murder your children? How sad for you..
My niece once told me when she grows up she wants to be a feminist her mom said "sweetheart you can do one or the other, you can't do both, because feminists are basically whiny bratty children"
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