It was supposed to take 15 days to take the whole place and even moldova but that never happened
Do you think Russia is winning or losing the war?
It was supposed to take 15 days to take the whole place and even moldova but that never happened
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Trending & News It’s difficult to tell, but remember that both sides, western media included, will not be objective. I do think the Russians hoped that Ukraine would negotiate and started out avoiding serious damage to civilian areas as a result, but the US has been wanting this to turn into a big war and has pressured Zelenskyy to make no concessions.
It was the US, not Russia, that said it should take just three days to capture Kiev. That’s ridiculous. Russia only committed 40,000 troops near Kiev and they knew it would be impossible to take a city of 3 million defended by 100,000 soldiers with that small of a force. So why did they do it? My guess is that they needed to keep those Ukrainians pinned down so they could not move east or south where the real action has taken place. This allowed Russia to encircle the main fighting force of the Ukrainian army near Donetsk and capture strategic cities in the south like Melitopol, Mairupol, and Kherson. Even Odessa is encircled now. The Western media got to witness skirmishes around Kiev while the real action was in the south and east.
Now that Ukraine’s fuel supplies and refineries have been destroyed the forces in Kiev can’t go anywhere quickly and the remaining tanks and APCs are of limited use. The Russians have just started taking out roads and rail from the west, and this will make resupply from NATO much more difficult than it has been so far. This is a serious problem because there will be no meaningful relief for the 60-100,000 men in the main fighting force now encircled in Krematorsk. Zelenskyy’s refusal to order these men to fall back west of the Dniepr River has put them in a terrible predicament and might doom Ukraine to complete collapse. I know the media have made it sound like this war has been a disaster for Russia, but we’re about to see all of these Ukrainians get slaughtered in a horrific way if they don’t surrender. After that, mud season will be over and it is difficult for me to see what could stop the Russians from moving west and laying siege to Kiev.
"remember that both sides, western media included, will not be objective"
Maybe, but do you really think Russia is de-Nazifying Ukraine? That the flagship sunk because of an "accident" or "bad weather"? That Russia isn't targeting civilians?
Maybe western outlets don't have 100% credibility, but Russian ones have 0%. It's not the same.
@goaded I think it’s pretty clear that both sides have gotten some things right and wrong. There are neo-nazis in Ukraine. The BBC covered it a few years back and it wasn’t even controversial before this conflict. And that ship was almost certainly hit by a mine or missiles. At the end of the day, if the Western media have been correct the Russians will be driven out of Ukraine in the greatest military upset ever. If not, Ukraine will end up a rump state with territory smaller than it has now. I tend to think that’s the direction events are going, but eventually narratives won’t matter anymore and the reality on the ground will become clear.
@goaded but in this case they are running things. Research the connections between Kolomoysky (Zelensky is his man) and the Azov Order, and why Israel expelled Kolomoysky from international jewish organizations and is also not sanctioning Russia in this conflict. Research how Victoria Nuland used Right Sector to help instigate the Maidan in 2014.
I still don't see him running the country, or that funding even Azov to fight separatists and now the Russians means that he (a Jew) or the president (also a Jew) agrees with them. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". (Azov, according to Al Jazeera, is fewer than a thousand people. www.aljazeera.com/.../who-are-the-azov-regiment )
Kolomoysky's undoubtedly corrupt, but not especially so for a former Soviet state.
@goaded the “enemy of my enemy” point is a good one. That is exactly why the mutually beneficial relationship between Kolomoisky and Azov is able to function. I think the estimate of 2,000 in Azov is obviously outdated. That would have been their size in 2014 or so. They have recruited thousands more since then, indoctrinated them, and given them the nazi-inspired wolfsangel shoulder insignias.
I would also agree that Kolomoisky does not run Ukraine; Victoria Nuland does on behalf of the US State Dept. However, one of her main channels of influence is Kolomoisky and Zelensky, an actor from his media company and participant in some of his (corrupt) business interests, is obviously a stage-managed puppet of Kolomoisky.
Well, I disagree, and I think it's more likely people are joining the Asovs despite their more disgusting beliefs than because of them. And it's still a country of 40 million.
Reagan and Trump were both actors, of a sort. It's not like President is something you need years of special training for, not like "I'm not a doctor, I play one on TV".
Seeing as how they have taken control of the East of Ukraine as well as much of their coast from the Crimea to Russia, I’d say they are doing okay.
They will never take over the whole of Ukraine. They are redeploying their forces to the east to consolidate their hold there. Once Mariupol falls they will have control over much of eastern Ukraine.
maybe ukraine will become the palestine of Europe and take 40 years to conquer. I dunno
I don’t think capturing the whole of Ukraine was ever feasible. It’s like that old saying, “How do you eat a horse?” — One bite at a time.
By attacking everywhere throughout Ukraine I think they were hoping the government there would be overwhelmed and just fold. That didn’t happen. So now they have to be content with linking up the Crimea which they have controlled since 2014 with the break away states they have invaded in the Donbask region. Once they have Mariupol (that’s the lynchpin, that is the one place that is holding out against the Russians) then I wouldn’t be surprised if the Russians say “mission successful” and pull out after they finish annexing the East of Ukraine.
Losing. So is Ukraine and Europe. America will be the Victor in the end.
It's hard to say and not sure what they are capable of
operator starsky said they are out of missiles and what they have now is a joke and doesn't work. They have massive bombs that can take out a whole city but aren't using them. The economy is however utterly destroyed as the russians wrecked important things to make them suffer.
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Short term Russia is losing but long term they are gaining a lot. It's funny that Biden admin says they are making Russia suffer but the rupel has had more buying power after the sanctions then before the war started. Also Russia is now working with China, North Korea, Iran, Saudis Arabia, Pakistan. And India to form a bloc against us and create a new currency system. Since our big push for green energy under Biden we've basically lost India as our ally and more nations are joining them. The long term goal is to remove the power of the peteoldollar and any and all forms of American currency. The Biden admin is also trying to murder the peteoldollar in a bid to move to crypto. Top former Obama admin economists sais the idea is to be off the peteoldollar in the next 10 years but making it worth 10 percent less a year over the next 10 years. If you live in the USA enjoy becoming poorer and poorer over the course of the next decade. We'll be slumming it here while Russians lives will continue to improve
The devaluation of the dollar is real but it's happening because America's debt is denominated in dollars. So by devaluing the dollar it is easier to pay off the debt.
Well…. With Sweden and Finland poised to join NATO.
With pretty much every NATO country rearming and or modernising rapidly.
With governments pushing through next gen systems for NATO countries.
With AUKUS developing further Hypersonic technology (which had been shelved).
With Ukraine getting anti ship missiles and loiter capable anti armour missiles
And the Russians taking out its own Guards units… https://www.cityam.com/kremlin-furious-as-russian-army-suffers-significant-losses-after-bombing-own-unit-mistaken-it-for-ukrainian-troops/
Also they are now having to fight in the East which is supposed to be already a separatist and all friendly to Russia….
i guess they have a strange idea of winning the war.
USA and Russia fight and Ukraine loses. horrific what is being done and I know of worse that people aren't talking about.
The US is not as involved as other countries are
they want them to join NATO and NATO is an anti Russian alliance. I think Putin starting this war was a mistake, I used to admire him.
Never admired him, he’s simply your typical thug as a leader.
Russian actions in Georgia, Chechnya, Syria etc
Couldnt be happier to see russia getting kicked in the ass again as a finnish person, infact when you look at it russias history of invading other countries is full of failure its kinda funny
@kuladiamond I liked putin but his treatment of neighboring countries in unacceptable. Do finnish people dislike russia?
Heavily dislike russians due to winter war, now even more than before, kind of a shame since russia and finland were getting along decently untill this.
@kuladiamond I think putin likes you being neutral and appreciates it but fears the finns joining NATO
Imagining putin liking me in anyway is incredebly cursed
@kuladiamond you think thats creepy? I think any straight man would like sanna martin
They lost on the international side. Their reputation is at all times low, sanctions are ruining their economy, and many neutral countries are joining NATO because they got tired of russian's threats.
Militarily they're doing surprisingly bad, we considered Russia as one of the biggest military power and yet they can't win against an underequiped opponent. Not to mention that other powers who could have been afraid of them are now reconsidering that position.
They lost overall, whether they win the war in the end or not.
No one really wins in war. In Ukraine, I doubt that Russia will achieve its original objective of making Ukraine a puppet state. Instead, Putin seems to be settling for taking territory close to Russia and reduce Ukraine's access to the sea. Some would call that a win, others a loss.
100 years from now, nobody will care who won or lost, only who was right and wrong. No matter HOW many people he and his army kills, history will always say the loser was Putin because he can't fight everyone, and that is what it will likely come down to.
That is why I say Russia lost the war the second they invaded Ukraine.
winning of course. all they wanted is control over the Crimean Peninsula to basically have an accesspoint to the north atlantic via the black sea and the Mediterranean Sea.
the plan was never to take the entirety of ukraine and integrate it into russia. everything else they're doing is extra. i mean they can't put full force into ukraine anyway, cause they have to be ready to fight back the NATO, when push comes to shove...
also never forget: what you see in the media if you're not in russia, is western propaganda. nato, usa and Europe have an interest in showing you a certain picture that is some distorted fake reality. same as russia does within russia. the first victim of wars is always the truth.
How can you say a country that has invaded another, is losing the war? Last i checked, Russians are in Ukraine, taking over cities, not the other way around.
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Not for us to decide.
If Russia is soo powerful, they should had overthrown the Ukrainian government on Day 1
This war shows how weak Russia is
dunno its the people resisting. They destroyed 74 military bases in 12 hours and ukraine has only landed about 2 strikes on russian territory.
Russia has already lost more than it will ever gain. Sweden and Finland are Joining NATO, The Russian economy is dying, Europe will soon stop buying gas from Russia.
This was a massive failure for Putin no matter what happens from this point.
It's a loss for Russia.
Europe can never gat off russian gas. It costs too much to get it elsewhere. USA can give it to us but it costs an arm and a leg
Everything you get from the government and mainstream media is a lie. If you want the truth, you must seek out alternate sources.
It is not a war, Ukraine doesn't have the ability to fight Russia. Therefore, it is a police action. It takes time because unlike the vicious USA, Russia is avoiding killing civilians or needlessly destroying property. However, there is no question about the outcome since Russia is destroying Ukraine's military and resistance.
Bruh, are you paid by Russia?
@KrakenAttackin Are you a simpleton that only listens to the lying government media.
No, but I pray to the patron saint Javelina!
Losing. If anything, this war is showing Russia is not the global superpower that could simply take over other countries easily. Also the fact that Russia now has these sanctions, I don’t expect the war to be popular in Russia anymore.
Toughy. They’re a superpower yet technically losing battles. Yet Ukraine has less to replace troops so who knows. Like Vietnam, the US could have won and was winning if looking at casualties, etc. But economy and home front popularism are very persuasive.
Well, Russia is not "winning", which is the same thing as losing for them.
Also, the Russian invasion has triggered shockwaves through Scandinavia. Both Sweden and Finland are contemplating seeking membership in NATO, which is a huge change of policy.
Nobody ever really wins a war they only get temporary benefits, coz no great civilization are here now they are all gone and one day all of the current ones will be gone too
Russia's failure to take kyiv, massive losses, and refocusing of efforts on the east and south show they're losing badly. Their plan was to take all of ukraine, now it seems like they'll settle for parts of the east and south. They'll inevitably lose, it's just a question of when.
Depends what happens, imagine if all the countries are waiting for Russia to get weaker so all countries can ass rape Russia at the same time 😂
like hitler did in WW2?
They are winning but it is taking a lot longer than Putin thought. I think in the end iw will not be worth it.
I'm not even a regular or semi-regular even of watching news nowadays, but even from the beginning weeks ago, months ago, surely on size alone it's all Russia, unless it's just overzealous and they lose by being, overzealous. Who knows, maybe nobody really knows who's winning who's winning. I don't know. *shrug*
Does it really matter? People are dying, and for what?
oddly the demands for a ceasefire are barely anything. This is a war which should never have started.
Remember there is a difference between losing and lost.
Russia is currently losing. We will have to see if they lost the war.
They're pretty clearly winning. Not much of a surprise, the Russian military invading ukraine is like the USA invading Iraq as far as military strengths go.
its costing them and they failed to make it to kyiv
Of course it's costing them, war isn't free. But whether you are pro russia or pro ukraine, Russia is clearly winning. They haven't taken kyiv yet, but that also appears due to them wanting to take it as intact as possible vs carpet bombing the city to hell.
Don’t know. It’s impossible to sort through the propaganda.
most of what you see is all lies. When Hitler invaded poland he said "poland are invading us". The same still happens today.
Russia's devastated Ukraine. But their own economy is also shot. So both sides are losing.
dunno they are withstanding it ok and once the war is over in a year or two all western companies will return. Or the russians will have made their own alternatives. Ukraine is totally destroyed.
I can't say that Ukraine is winning but I can't say that Russia is losing either. It's no longer clear what Russia is trying to achieve.
Seems like they’re stalled out. I’d say loosing thankfully.
Russia was created hate in Europe, not seen since WWII. No matter what happens, that is not positive for them.
Russia winning they are barely even trying.
There zero chance they are losing
Hard to tell what winning means at this point.
Loosing but they are about to ramp up things
Losing
losing.
fake war lol
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