Is Roe v. Wade likely to be overturned by the US Supreme Court?

[msc545]

Maybe so... we can hope!

A draft Supreme Court opinion published by Politico on Monday suggested the court is considering a decision that would overturn the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that established a constitutional right to abortion.

It will be overturned..!

Of course not!

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Read the draft decision here:

www.politico.com/.../read-justice-alito-initial-abortion-opinion-overturn-roe-v-wade-pdf-00029504

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My own view: "Abortions are not healthcare. They are executions."

[Jamie05rhs]

I think it's foolish to speculate on things that haven't happened yet.

[OddBeMe]

A draft was just leaked. Apparently it’s overturned.

[goaded]

SCOTUS in 1973 consisted of justices nominated by FDR, Eisenhower (2), JFK, Johnson, and four by Nixon. Every single one of them was confirmed by over two thirds of the Senate, many by acclaimation or practically 100%.

Their decision is about to be overturned by five Republican "justices" not one of whom rated 60 votes in the Senate. And even the chief justice (the only current Republican nominee to get over 60 votes) is powerless to stop it. Great.

What the people think

[goaded]

Oh, and didn't the newer "justices" promise to respect precedent and keep Roe?

[msc545]

The problem is that nowhere in the Constitution is the right to abortion guaranteed. The use of the 14th Amendment invokes due process, except that the right to an abortion is not an element of due process.

[msc545]

Even back then, the Court was simply pandering to women. No more of that.

[goaded]

So it was OK for two "justices" to lie under oath to the Senate and say Roe was settled law, only to turn around and vote to overturn it?

[msc545]

Accusing them of "lying" is just dramatic extremism. People, even Judges, can and do change their minds.

[goaded]

Oh, come on. Everyone knew they were going to do this, and there are one or two Republican senators who wouldn't have voted for them if they'd told the truth. It's ridiculous any of them got in without a supermajority in the Senate. How many justices have ever been confirmed by less than 60% of the senate vote? Now we have five at the same time.

[msc545]

I can't get worked up about this, lies or no lies. I like the outcome of less murder of children.

[goaded]

So the end justifies the means. That always ends well.

[msc545]

That is American politics. If you are American, you should be used to it. If you are not, welcome to our world.

[msc545]

They got enough votes to be confirmed which is all that matters. "Promises" are not binding.

[goaded]

Statements made under oath are. Or they would be if there weren't dozens of senators willing to ignore people breaking their oaths.

[msc545]

Yes I can tell you that nobody's going to go there with these people. You may not like the outcome but the outcome will be what it is.

[msc545]

Goaded, I like and respect you brother, but this horse won't hunt.

[goaded]

I know, and it's a shame to see a country be taken over by a right-wing minority. The founding fathers were smart, but they assumed future generations would understand the concept of honour. Today's Republicans think of it as a weakness.

[msc545]

Exactly.

[WonderBell99]

I'm pro-choice.. while I believe that abortions should not be used as a form of birth control, if abortion was criminalized, many women will be forced to go to those underground abortion centers or seek some other harmful method that will ruin their (reproductive) health. Abortion can also cause infertility later in life, but at the same time, the mother's mental health during pregnancy affects the baby tremendously.

Also, considering the condition of these foster homes and adoption centers where children and not treated properly and do not experience parental affection, or parents who choose to keep their kids and resent/abuse them, abortion is way better. Some people do not deserve to be parents.

I'm pro-life for myself. I could never abort my kid under any circumstance, but not all are the same. We never know what others are going through... and I certainly don't want the baby to suffer in life.

[WonderBell99]

are not treated properly*

[WonderBell99]

And to address the question, I'm not sure if it will be overturned. I don't follow news much

[Cubus]

This doesn't really work this way. You can't say "I won't steal, but I have nothing against other people stealing".

No offense. Just this rule can't really be used in such cases.

[WonderBell99]

@Cubus With all due respect, I find it extremely hilarious that you are comparing two very different things. You are comparing an apple to an orange.

Stealing is a felony because it affects others. Criminalizing abortion is not going to make any difference. Illegal abortion clinics are going to go up in number, women who do want to abort will go there which will more often than not only cause more damage to their bodies. Abortion is usually performed by a certified medical professional, so it is largely safe. But what about illegal abortion clinics? Failed medical candidates turned doctor wannabes will run the clinics or worse, people who don't know shit about abortions but are trying to make money. Worse, some teenage girls will potentially harm their health by consuming plan B pills, or alcohol or drugs to fake a miscarriage, because they have no medical knowledge whatsoever.

I do not know on what grounds pro-lifers are hell bent on criminalizing abortions. Are they not aware of the consequences? Nothing is going to change.

Are pro-lifers going to raise the baby? No
Are they going to help with fiscal matters? No
Are they going to carry the baby? No

What about rape victims? What about young women (especially teenagers) who get pregnant? Should they be forced to carry the baby as well? You may argue that those victims who get pregnant are less than 1%, but if abortion is criminalized, even they can't abort their kids.

Do you know how demanding it is to carry a child? It makes tremendous demands on the physical and mental health of the mother. If she cannot carry the baby, she should not

Would you be okay if the child gets abused by his/her mother/father? Nobody knows anyone's circumstance...

[Cubus]

"Are pro-lifers going to raise the baby? No
Are they going to help with fiscal matters? No
Are they going to carry the baby? No"

You can't help to raise someone who is aborted.

[WonderBell99]

@Cubus Okay, so in the USA, if abortion is criminalized, you will help raise every single one of those single mums struggling with juggling work and a kid? Donate money?

[Cubus]

"I do not know on what grounds pro-lifers are hell bent on criminalizing abortions. Are they not aware of the consequences? Nothing is going to change."

They are because they believe abortion is immoral and something that is immoral should not be legal.

"Criminalizing abortion is not going to make any difference." - This is true if you believe baby in womb is not a living organism yet. Some people believe, some people do not believe. USA is heavily divided in that case.

"Worse, some teenage girls will potentially harm their health by consuming plan B pills" - they already do and nobody cares it's harmful. Not only people who use them but also people who sell them. It's really a huge buiseness, where some people earn a lot of money. That's why nobody wants to teach people about safe sex.

"Do you know how demanding it is to carry a child? It makes tremendous demands on the physical and mental health of the mother. If she cannot carry the baby, she should not" - It is very demanding, but I believe people should be responsible and not run away from responsibilities. Thinking you don't have to take any caution because you can just abort a child makes people very lazy and irresponsible. You can't have a cake and eat a cake at the same time.

"What about rape victims?" - From what I checked, pretty much all abortion laws, even the ones that restrict it, have exceptions for rape and risk to mother's life. It's not about such cases, Pretty much everyone agree in such cases abortion should be allowed. The topic is about abortion being used as birth control.

Another thing - Roe vs Wade was pretty much unconstitutional, because 10th ammendment to US constitutuion says such things should be decided on state level and not be pushed to all states from the above. This will be in favour of democracy - states where most people are against abortion would make it illegal, and states where most people think abortion is ok, would keep it.

[Cubus]

"Okay, so in the USA, if abortion is criminalized, you will help raise every single one of those single mums struggling with juggling work and a kid? Donate money?"

I was helping one teenage girl on this site, that got pregnant. I tried to keep her sanity (because she was talking about killing herself), helped her to find some food banks in her area (because she didn't have food - long story, sad story), told her what to do in such situation, where and how to get a pregnancy test etc. I was PM-ing with her for a few weeks. Sadly she deleted her acount without any warning. Yeah - it's not kind of help you talk about, but she lived in other country. I believe I did all I could to help her.

[Screamsgutter]

Maybe we can introduce these women to the plethora of conception options available just for them.

[WonderBell99]

@Screamsgutter Accidents happen. 😊

[Screamsgutter]

I know. That to me is what abortion was meant to solve, not to be used as another convenient form of contraception. Accident-prone world-wide populace is more like it.

[Dargil]

I answered A. For all you snowflakes who don't know history and never took civics, Amendment 10 is controlling.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Alito is correct. The lefty mob will not change their minds.

[Sixgunsound]

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[Anonymous]

it seems like it will be overturned, and the power will be given to the individual states to make their own decisions about it... just as stated in the Constitution. That's the way it should be. But liberals are still gonna riot about this all summer now.

And who are the MORONS bitching about rape victims? Abortions for rape and extreme cases have NEVER been in the debate. That's liberal bullshit lies they tell you to get you mad about the whole thing. Stop being damn puppets.

[Anonymous]

God willing it will be. And idc if women go to underground abortion clinics and die as a result. A life for a life. If they want an abortion they already aren't much of a human being.

[meetkitty123]

I don't think it will happen but hey if it does I hope this country has enough to support the higher demand in welfare food stamps and WIC!

[Screamsgutter]

How about using the gamut of conception options available to women? When women talk like the only solution to prevent pregnancy/a child from being born is abortion, it pretty much verifies they see it as another just-as-normal form of readily-available contraception on the market. Yet somehow, despite how many forms they have to choose from, there are women who still haven't figured this course of action out.

[goaded]

@Screamsgutter They're coming for many contraceptives next. There's a reason the extreme right wing refer to many of them as abortifacients. There might be a slight pause while they get rid of same-sex marriage (it's the same legal argument).

[TheLastRhodesian]

Anyone who aborts should also be given a life sentence.

[Anonymous]

I will be utterly overjoyed at the finality of the Court's overturning of this abominable decision that was made almost 50 years ago.
Praise be to God Almighty if it is actually overturned

[Anonymous]

Women who are raped will be forced to give birth to their rapist's baby. This is what republicunts want for you ladies.

[Opinion Owner]

@TheLastRhodesian <---- assholes like this will be deciding what you can do with your body ladies.

[TheLastRhodesian]

Yeah, and also wings we will rape, don't forget that.

[jamesgoldman]

Yet it's happening under the Democrats, explain that
It's because the it democrats want slavery back and this is a way to o manage it economically speaking

[Cubus]

You know that pregnancies from rape are less than 1% of all abortions?

[Opinion Owner]

@Cubus so if your wife or daughter is raped and they have to give birth to their rapists baby, and you have to raise that baby, I hope you take solace in the fact that they only account for 1% of pregnancies. 🙄

I mean if it's only 1%, why make an exception for it? Brilliant fucking logic.

[Opinion Owner]

@jamesgoldman this was decided by the Supreme Court that was tilted to the right when Donald Trump installed three court justices. This was not a decision made by politicians. Are you really this fucking stupid and ignorant of how this process works?

[Cubus]

I support exceptions for rape (because such sex is not consensual). And pretty much all abortion laws provides exceptions for rape. That thing won't change.

[Opinion Owner]

@Cubus no, it will change because the laws being written that are Banning abortion with no exception for rape and incest you ignorant fool.

[Cubus]

"I mean if it's only 1%, why make an exception for it? Brilliant fucking logic."

That's pretty much the definition of "exception".

[Opinion Owner]

@jamesgoldman oh, I just saw you're not even American which explains your ignorance of this process. So why the fuck are you even commenting?

[Cubus]

Some laws (not all, like you say) were written this way, because they were for heartbeat act, which provided fully legal abortion till 6th week. If someone was raped and wanted to have an abortion, she still could do this. She wouldn't have an abortion in such case later anyway, because why? Either you're decided to keep it or you abortion it right away. There's no reason to wait.

[Opinion Owner]

@Cubus most women don't even know they're pregnant within six weeks. Your ignorance is mind-blowing.

[Cubus]

Pregnancy tests work after 2 weeks. And if you were raped and don't have a period after 2 weeks you don't need to be an Einstein to figure it out you are pregnant.

[Opinion Owner]

@jamesgoldman do you comment on Canadian and Australian Politics as well you ignorant fucking moron?

[Opinion Owner]

@jamesgoldman how about Russian or Hungarian politics? Your neo-fascism would be right at home there.

[NorthwestRider]

The last time I check, Roe vs Wade still exist

Also I think every pro lifers is a lazy ass bum who rather whine about other people lives than improve their own damn lives

[Fuentes]

Personally i don't care, these days the children are more dammed so if abortion is gonna happen it's gonnna happen

[jimmy2]

Praise God our prayers been heard

[Anonymous]

Legendary case. My mom and dad were apart of it.