Do you think the invasion of Ukraine is basically a civil war because it’s used to be part of Russia?

[will34]

[Anonymous]

No. I think its part of a larger game to wrestle control of the region from Russia. This was likely set up after Russian intervention in Syria, Russian invasion of Georgia or maybe earlier and Russia has walked into the trap by invading Ukraine.
1. Now America has shown how weak the Russian military is.
2. Countries that were afraid to join nato b4 are now willing,
3. The US is making huge money selling arms to NATO countries.
4. The US is making huge profits supplying them with oil/gas.
5. China who has been getting too big for their boots in the south China Sea is now questioning the strength of their military as most of their equipment is based on Russian design or is Russian.
6. Buyers of Russian military equipment like India will having seen the failures of Russian tech will stop buying Russian military equipment and switch to equipment NATO countries.
7. US Congress will now approve more military spending for the us military meaning the US though already far ahead of Russia by 30 years will advance further while Russia stagnate further.
8. With Russia losing in Ukraine America through its NATO allies will control the Black sea and be able to move the US navy into it fof the first time in 100 years.
9. With control of the black sea region the US will be able to connect through Georgia into the caspian sea for the first time even establishing an airforce and naval base there.
10. With access to the caspian sea thanks to Georgia the US will be able to access central asia which is rich in untapped minerals and oil/gas which will undermine Russian oil/gas profits even further as the US build pipelines into Europe and sell all manner of manufactured goods and US companies build the economy and infrastructure of central asia.

Putin has two choices in Ukraine
1. Continue fighting and the weakness of the Russian military to be shown to the world and Russia bleed men and resources that they can not afford and the Russian economy crumble due to sanctions and the US benefit massively from the conflict over the years.
2. Pull out of Ukraine and Putin will be overthrown or have to step down due to defeat in Ukraine. No use setting yourself up as a strong man and military leader if you lose a war.

Regardless Russia will end up being a pariah state like Iran or end up being a client state with a government approved by the US.

https://youtu.be/1F4WoM-CLCo

[Snsl153]

Regarding your last sentence: the correct answer is neither. It will not be a "pariah state" and will not become a US colony. There is more to the world than just North America and Western Europe. Russia will turn to China, India, Vietnam, Africa and so on (i. e. the rest of the world).

[Opinion Owner]

@Snsl153 Vietnam is a small country that is slowly turning to the west and hates China. China is largely dependent on trade with the west and we have seen recently them distancing themselves from Russia during the Ukraine crisis. India is very much like China in this matter and will side largely with the west and will probably start buying its weapons from the west. Africa is largely run by the US and if not the US France or Britain and German Buisness.
And ie the rest of the world that have turned out against Russia are
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Countries in blue have condemned Russia, grey are neutral and most have US bases in their country. So basically the exact same as with Iran which is a pariah state because the US says so.. so...

[Snsl153]

Vietnam isn't exactly a "small country", if by "small" you mean population-wise. Yes, they've had conflicts in the past with China, but Asia is integrating economically, and no one wants a major war there.
I'm not sure what your map represents, but if it represents UN General Assembly votes, I wouldn't pay much attention to it. The UN is largely ineffective, and is just a platform for some to get up on their soapbox and pontificate.
It doesn't matter who condemns who, because words are cheap, and it's actions that reveal the truth regarding any issue, especially in politics.

[Opinion Owner]

@Snsl153 🇻🇳 is small in terms of wealth and power. Asia is integrating economically and no one wants war there but yet things are heating up, China is getting very aggressive and us Allied powers are arming currently.
The UN is very effective, ask Sadam Hussain. The UN is basically run by the US as an extension of the US government. Every country that voted for sanctions against Russia has a US military base.
The end result is Russia ends up a US client state or a pariah state that has to sell its oil and gas at a massive discount to China

[CrazyGirl2]

Interesting thought, thats how Russian’s see it! Many Russians believe Kiev to be the original Russian city. (Whatever THAT means, a Russian expatriate told me that sniglet) But, NO! If England invaded the US in a full-scale military invasion, would ANYONE just think of it as a civil war? Its the exact same logic, sure more time has passed, but time doesn’t change that which is logical! So no, Russia is a foreign aggressor, AND they are in violation of a treaty that was signed after the break-up of the Soviet Union! At that time HUNDREDS of long, and intermediate range nuclear ballistic missiles were in what was, and is again today, Ukraine! They naturally feared that Russia may try to take them over again, and wanted to keep the missiles, after all, they WERE on sovereign Ukraine soil! But the Ukrainian’s negotiated an in-perpetuity non-aggression treaty, in exchange for those missiles, it was signed, and all missiles were removed back to Russia… Now Russia, is saying screw that, we want to own you again, anyway! That not how it works.

[lucas262]

What I understand is the grand scheme is Ukraine is in the elite pocket. Putin knows that.

Grand scheme putin wants a euroasian union like the European union.

But all it will he is a reconstituted soviet union. Because in the east many of the soviet leadership still hold offices in the block countries just waiting to step up.

Snap your finger and you have a globalist world unified by the European, euroasian and African unions with a few others.

Ukraine is just the start of hom creating his new European union in the east.

[ohshee]

No it's the classic bully in the schoolyard he thought he was badass he thought he was going to be a hero in his country but he is a a flop he's a loser and right now he's a crazed man because he knows that he's going to go back and he's going to lose the next election he doesn't care what it takes he has to win just so he looks like a big shot in front of all his people I believe his people have spoken and they don't like what he did

[Chiarac2003]

The us used to be a part of England…. So if England invaded the US…. That would be a civil war?😂🤪🤣

Prayers to all in Ukraine

[will34]

It’s pretty how the states support Ukraine meanwhile it never help there’s ally’s when Canada fought the British in the 1700s

[Chiarac2003]

The us was part of the British empire then.

[will34]

That’s true but I can’t remember what the war about again I learned that in history class along time ago so lol

[Soteris]

That is as stupid as Britain invading USA and calling it a "civil war" because USA used to be a British colony. In fact, Ukraine has a much better claim as an independent state than USA does because they have had a separate cultural identity since basically the age of Vikings.

[Snsl153]

Yes, definitely. That's how I've seen it since day one. The Ukraine is 'Little Russia', just as Belarus is known as 'White Russia', and the Baltic States are 'Russia's Front Porch'.

[josephinelcajon]

This is how I look at it! Yet they try and make it look like its Putin invading Europe when it's far from it! (NOT saying how its going is good, BUT I think it would have been over much sooner with less death and devastation without our involvement!)

[Aerissa_Jade]

No, Ukraine was its own nation for centuries before they were conquered. They've been occupied for awhile, the Russian's have always deported them and replaced with their own people so they can say they are protecting Russian's.

[MCheetah]

No. That's like saying England versus anyone else is a Civil War because they used to own everything.

[andreasderjuengere]

Those who get killed don't really mind if it's ''civil'', or not.
It's ugly.
''Technically'', I see it - now, in the present - as a quarrel between two different countries.

[RolandCuthbert]

Nonsense. Ukrainians are not Russians. Just ask a Ukrainian.

WTF?

[exitseven]

No, the fall of the Soviet Union made Ukraine a sovereign nation. It is just an invasion and a big land grab;

[WhitneySnow]

No. Ukraine has been an independent country for like 30 years. That’s like if England invaded us.

[LilyByte]

no because Ukraine is not part of Russia its a war between to countrys

[Pohjolan]

By the same logic USA Vs UK, China Vs Taiwan, Ireland Vs UK, Sweden Vs Finland, Norway Vs Denmark, Czech Vs Slovakia, Israel Vs its neighbours etc would be civil wars.

Get out of here.

[Dargil]

Do you think the American Revolutionary War was basically a Civil War?

[gabby100]

Its still an invasion. But it was part of the USSR, not russia..

[Agagagagaga]

You’re wrong.

Ukraine has been part of Russia for centuries. Before it was past of the USSR, it was part of the Russian Empire and had been for a very, very long time, going back to Catherine the Great.

[gabby100]

@Agagagagaga you willfind that was Prussia, part of the otterman empire.

[Agagagagaga]

Oh for fuck’s sake are you seriously going to make me post links to this shit?

“ In the years 1764-1781, Catherine the Great incorporated much of Central Ukraine into the Russian Empire when the Cossack Hetmanate and the Zaporozhian Sich were abolished. After the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 1783, the newly acquired lands, now called Novorossiya were opened up to settlement by Russians.[67] The tsarist autocracy established a policy of Russification, suppressing the use of the Ukrainian language and curtailing the Ukrainian national identity.[68] The western part of present-day Ukraine was subsequently split between Russia and Habsburg-ruled Austria after the fall of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1795.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

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inews.co.uk/.../ukraine-russia-part-of-timeline-conflict-war-invasion-vladimir-putin-explained-1418901

“ Was Ukraine part of Russia?

Ukraine was part of the Russian empire for centuries, and was also part of the USSR. It became independent in 1991, when the Soviet Union dissolved after the Cold War.”

There. Goddamn lady. Just admit you’re wrong. And what the hell does Prussia have to do with this? NOTHING.

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THERE’S PRUSSIA WITH AUSTRIA AND POLAND BORDERING IT. You know. Those countries that come before you reach Ukraine, which was part of Russia when the goddamn Prussians were around anyways.

And what the fuck is the “Otterman” Empire? They sound especially dangerous.

You don’t know anything about history and even less about the world. Good day.

[Snsl153]

What the hell? You think that Prussia was a part of the Ottoman Empire? Prussia was a German state that formed the nucleus of the present-day Germany.

[aided_]

this is fun

[Snsl153]

@aided_ Maybe you should join in :)

[bulletbob555]

Not sure I don't think they had a choice when they were part of Russia. Always thought they were independent till after the second world war

[jahaims]

That's like saying if Britain invaded America it would be a civil war.

[Iron_Man]

Yes…. I haven’t heard a thing in four weeks what’s going on now

[Still-alive]

no i do not. Ukrainians themselves would be offended by the suggestion too

[Still-alive]

@Ggggggfdxdddf hi tankie scum? how are you?

[Jltakk]

I mean its the same with what China has done to tons of smaller nations and no one said a word about it.

[SignedAutographs]

I wish republicans actually knew what the war is about

[Anonymous]

no, because it's not part of russia and hasn't been since ukraine declared their independence in 1991. 🙄

[Agape93]

Nope. Its a war between two sovereign nations

[Smoke-n-Growls]

No, it is genocide by Russia.

[aided_]

im sorry
thats fucking ridiculous

[OlderAndWiser]

No, I do not.

[DermalPunch]

No, it isn't a civil war. Come on now.

[saffoler]

More like the war of 1812.

[ChrisMaster69]

No of course not lol

[Anonymous]

Seems like it

[OddBeMe]

No. That’s stupid.

[MrSmithee]

naarh