What do you think of the Ukrainian incursion into Russian territory?

[Julie4]

[RavVid]

I don't know what the objective is and it is more than a raid. No commentators seem to think they categorically know what's up.

The Russian territorials seem to be wisely happy to surrender. I guess it puts pressure on Russia to withdraw battle hardened troops from Ukraine fronts because Putin can scarcely let seizure of Mother Russia soil go by. And presumably Russia will have to weaken forces in Ukraine to strengthen the border and prevent Ukraine from repeating elsewhere along the border.

I have heard a suggestion it will help in attrition of Russian troops as they won't be in carefully crafted defensive positions anymore but they will have to attack. If there is a ceasefire along lines of control than it would seem to complicate the Russian position and make it harder to argue they keep what they have of Ukraine. There could be we will give back Kursk if you give back Donbas.

Of most significance is the US attitude that it is up to Ukraine and it doesn't seem Europe is saying "Get back to your side of the border" either. It will be interesting to see if Ukraine steps up attacks on Russian refineries which Biden sought to stop for the election.

It is good PR for Ukraine certainly. Perhaps Ukraine sees a lot of minor pluses which all add up.

I mostly suspect it is preparing for the US election. Trump is sort of committed to stop this war if he wins. Who knows what Kamala will do including Kamala. Internationally I think she will be regarded as highly ignorable. This is the woman who thought the Republic of North Korea was a long time US ally after all. Hopefully she will be a puppet figure who knows her lines. Biden will still be President for quite some time.

Maybe an objective is to get as much arms whilst they still can.

A long way to say I dunno.

[NaultD]

Definitely spicy. Rules of engagement needs to be as high as possible and propper. If Ukraine takes the high road on every level of dealing with Vladimir Putin and showing care the average people and potential Russian soldiers, global support will skyrocket.

At the same time support could plummet if anything fucks up and things fuck up by the nature of the front line of a war.

Even in ww2 rolling over Berlin all the famous photos of taking down nazi flags all the military had a dozen watches on each arm. All around looting as much a man could carry that was ultimately doctored photos for the final history books but a lot got leak.

It would get nasty if Ukraine turn morally ambitious when all the support was run on putin is evil and dangerous.

[FreyaRed]

It's just another step on escalation ladder. Ukrainian forces participating in this raid are to small to reach Kursk or nuclear plant near Kurs. It's just humiliation of Russian pride, because Russians thought no one dares to attack them. Of course it show Russian incompetence when a convoy of several trucks filled with hundreds conscripts get meat grindet by HIMARS missiles, when it should be clear for commander of this convoy that they are in range of this missile system.

[Kelley1]

Ukraine probably should be part of Russia but that is not what Putin wants. He only wants to include the Russian-speaking areas since starting in 2014, Ukraine has been murdering the Russian speaking people.

[Julie4]

🤡🤡

[alice55]

Why is he trying to take Zaporijjia an Kherson then? Those are Ukrainian territory and have never been Russian speaking ever in the whole history...

[Kelley1]

@alice55 I don't know the details. However, I know I will not get the truth from the USA mainstream media.

[alice55]

You can simply search on internet for information is it not hard to search which region is Russian and which is in majority Ukrainian... The only region who are Russian is Donbass (which is Louhansk and Donetsk) all the others region are Ukrainian and Crimea is Tatar (and used to have an independent statut within Ukraine).
Also Putin while attacking claimed Crimea and Donbass were independent region but he's trying to forcefully annex them aswell as annex Ukrainian region. He's just angry that Ukraine is looking up to European union and not being his puppet state like Belarus.

[RebelinSteel]

I think it’s great, I shows a few things that are really good, Opsec for the planning was watertight, typical NATO small unit tactics and use of armour in the loose does work. That Russian OpSec is still rubbish, that they are reporting the incursion into Kursk as a terrorist operation. Also the Russian media including social media channels is really slamming the Russian military. The Russians move up reinforcements and they get deleted due to crap OpSec and their media reporting it which means it’s identified where it is and then taken out.

Another really good asset is being shown, is the use of Robo dogs which are really proving a good FEBA asset, they can operate camouflaged as good recce units.

[Julie4]

And there are people who seriously believe that Russia could stand up to NATO. 🤣

[RebelinSteel]

@julie4 the Russians rely heavily on their own media, fake news outlets, social media trolls (they exist on GaG) to push their power, however the fact they are using T62 and T 55 tanks in Ukraine, have to recruit from Prisons, lost most of their Black Sea Fleet to a country pretty much without a navy. Do not have military spec comms systems that work between units and arms.

[Red_Arrow]

Russia began its was in Ukraine in 2014. It has gone through various stages and battle, but recently Russia has been bombing schools, churches, and hospitals. So far Ukraine has been fighting a defensive war and the Russians keep tearing them apart without any losses in their own territory. Ukraine has finally decided to bring destruction into Russia. Hopefully the Russian people will see what their leader has been doing to Ukraine and will let Putin know that he is wrong in what he is doing. A hard thing, since Putin would rather kill his own people than be nice to others.

[Kaneki05]

I hope Ukraine takes it all the way and completely overturns Russia. It needs to get support from the Russians inside though for that to be achievable. Once Russians wake up and stop taking in Putin's propaganda, it's likely to abrupt into a full war that Ukraine could win.
And Putin really has no way to respond that won't make him look bad. If he for exampled just bombed Ukraine off the map he ruined a whole land he wanted to control so he failed, along with you really can't keep that as a secret so everyone in Russia would fight Putin and become a massive civil war.

[Kaneki05]

I would also find it very funny if this is how Russia Putin reign came to an end over a pointless war he never needed to start.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunate even more futile than the confederacies raid into Gettysburg. Ukraine lacks the numbers to win this war and harm Russia.
Their only chance is to exhaust Russia to such a point Russia rationally concludes their conquest and occupation isn't worth whatever benefit they get.

This is a difficult thing to do given Russia's brutal history with the territories they own and being accustomed to such resistance. So realistically the Ukraine needs to get Russia to agree to a temparty peace long enough to secure a defensive alliance with a power that can defeat Russia like NATO or the US.

[RavVid]

Nato can't include Ukraine as it has a territorial dispute and that precludes membership. However individual nations could. Finland (& Sweden too) was given a guarantee whilst waiting Nato membership.

I would like to see US, UK, France, Germany declare a red line on Russian incursion past a bit further back from the current line of control. It could be done now.

[Opinion Owner]

@RavVid You really only need a defense pack with a country that can take out Russia in a conventional sense. Which really isn't that high a bar today.

But that would be reckless right now while Russia is already in a conflict as it risk's escalation into nuclear conflict at this point.

A better solution is simply to cede the sections of the Ukraine Russia controls make peace and allow the remaining state to join NATO later by way of first getting said defense pack which is what Ukraine should have done before seeking NATO membership.

NATO is an insurance policy, which means you can't need it when you first join.

[Jersey2]

It is a smart move. 1,000 troops will pull the attention of Russia over to exposed territories. This is good as the season for offensives will end soon as the weather gets bad over there. It could also be a bad move but I won’t go into that here.

[Likes2drive]

I think it’s a good thing, maybe they can negotiate better by holding some of their land and now causing troops to move out of Ukraine, this war is costing more money than Russia can afford and they can’t use nukes in their own country or land they want or no one can use the land

[luvstoned4him]

Is Ukaraine still battling it out with Russia?

I am truly clueless. They dont talk about this on the tv

[alice55]

Good idea, they cannot take back their Ukrainian lands so they steal the Russian one who's easier to get to be able to negotiate for their lands later on.

[strateguy632]

I agree with ravvid here, that It is a good strategy to cause russia to pull troops not only to expel but to *gard the whole *fronteir hundreds of miles.

[genericname85]

i think ukraine is getting too cocky with their borrowed shit. they were flying too close to the sun already.

[Luopio27]

War is madness, disgrace to human race!
I am not praising any sides.
Violence begins when inteligence ends!


Its like major governments never learn from history, never mature enough to set the best example to others.

[strateguy632]

I guess you want victims to surrender?

[Luopio27]

All humans are supposed to be raised well enough not to commit crimes or start wars.

In every war there is blood, sweat and tears on both sides. Old men talking, while young men dying.

I think those polititions should be put in the fron lines and then see how tuff they are instead of talking tuff in maximum security and distance from war zones.

[Goahead76]

I think Professor John Mearsheimer answers it best.

Professor John Mearsheimer: Will Russia and China back Iran?

[Lenabfine]

I support whatever Ukraine does to stay from being taken over by Russia

[katiesmuff]

Sounds like a little bit of Tit for Tat and wish Ukraine the best of luck.

[purplepoppy]

You don't fight the bigger guy in his own backyard.

[Dongie]

They are walking into a trap. Russia is about to end this stupid biden war.

[Kaneki05]

Biden war? It's Putin who started this war and started really back in 2014 so what are you even on?

[Dongie]

Don't worry about me hoss. I saw what went on. Don't bring your preaching around me

[Kaneki05]

It's not preaching. It's simple facts. Putin believe it or not already aimed at this war a long time ago and Ukraine has always been hot point for Russia it's delusional to think this is a Biden war lmao.

[Dongie]

I'm not conversing with you go screw yourself. I told you don't tell me ant of your opinions boy.

[Dongie]

Not reading a word dick.

[Kaneki05]

Okay then bye

[Dongie]

I hope Russia kicks their sorry embezzling asses.

[andreasderjuengere]

Rabble vs. rabble.

They all are Russians.

[strateguy632]

Pretty nasty of you to ignore the right for self determination.

[andreasderjuengere]

@strateguy632 - that's actually not what I had in mind.
More precisely: Both ''countries'' are made of the same kind of people. At least they are extremely alike.
The years of the Soviet Union had consolidated this further.
If some villages now want to split off - let them do it if it makes them happier.
If some neo-tsar wants to prevent it - let him try if it makes him happier.
It's not my own business to interfere into the doings of two tribes that smash each others' heads.
To me it's very similar to what's going on in (former) Judaea.
Flags change, leaders change. But shit does not change.

[RedInnocent69]

Not a bad strategy. Forces Russia to be defensive as well as offensive, and erodes support amongst Russian public.

[msc545]

The Russians are going to beat the hell out of them.

[Iron_Man]

They are basically giving them finally a taste of their own medicine invading them for once

[Iron_Man]

I’m recording the closing ceremonies in France for Sunday so we’re going to see what the French can do to redeem themselves

[Luopio27]

Redeem from what? Pissing off Christians?

[Iron_Man]

yes and total disrespect

[loveslongnails]

Good for them.

[CubaPirate]

What goes around comes around

[normalice]

About time.

[Democrat_blogger]

Ukraine is right

[Agape93]

About time