If smoking crack was legal, should pregnant women be allowed to smoke it?

[Anonymous]

I met a woman who was about 20, and her mom smoked crack daily when she was pregnant with her.

The daughter is messed up beyond belief. She can barely think, learn or even focus. She hates her mom for what she did to her, and completely disowned her.

But her mom never did anything to her, because she wasn’t an actual person. She was just a clump or glob of something. “My body my choice.” Isn’t that how it goes?

Yes, of course. Her body her choice.

No, that's just down right criminal

It's not even a human until it's born

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I've deleted three posts on this question. They all attacked me for not wanting mothers to smoke crack while pregnant. If they just stated their views about wanting crack babies, I wouldn't have deleted their posts. But when they launch personal attacks on me... that dog don't hunt.
I know that the mods won't do shit about the bullies on this site, and most of the askers just seem to take it. I'm not one of those.

[Guy13]

Well, didn’t you know that there was no Absolute Truth, Morality, and/or Standard that man must absolutely submit too? And, that Man is both Creator (evolution) and Judge (individualistic moral relativism). And like never before, Kierkegaard existential thinking, Nietzsche’s (God is dead) and Rogers’ Self (actualization, identify, concept, right, safety etc), have conjoined into the Me, Myself, and I Selfie 🤳 people.
If it feeeeeLS good then it must be good. It’s my Right to be able to choose to damage or exterminate life like the Nazis in the Womb.
We are in America where freedom, liberty, and Rights reign.

[Asker]

What do you think the odds are of a pro-choice person answering this question?

[Guy13]

Go to religion and is science and god compatible guestion…I’m awaiting a scientists to answer that one too…

[Asker]

As we speak, I'm looking out my window. I see trees, leaves, flowers, squirrels, dogs, cats and children.
Many people don't believe in God, but they believe in this...
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[Guy13]

Anything but Absolute Truth that I must follow absolutely and Money/Ease of Life at the Core of the whole Abortion issue.

[Asker]

That's why no pro-choice person will answer this question. They don't dare. It might shatter their beliefs.

[Guy13]

Science people on here are same way. They makes absolute claims but can’t logically or factually support them. And they can’t answer the most simplistic questions concerning rudimentary elements of Physics —-Then they ask a question instead of simply defending their Claim given they can not. It’s sad…

[Asker]

Welcome to planet GAG.

[Guy13]

I’ll be honest with you. No Tv for 15 years, never had Facebook, Instagram Twitter or whatever else. Only haveLinked-In. Lots of work, reading and books, and original languages (Greek, Latin, Hebrew…no Arabic) etc
—This is the first Public Forum for me…in my life. I did not realize how poorly educated, spoiled, and like stupid the public is. These last 3 months have frankly been depressing.
—I meet very few who can critically think for themselves and their only knowledge is a YouTube link. Anyway…Later 😴

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Taking substances (including things like coffee) is horrible for the development of the baby.

It is not a human, but it is a developing fetus. A mother who prioritizes drugs over the health of her child should be allowed - if not outright encouraged - to get an abortion and not have a child until she is ready to be sober for as long as necessary to give the child the best chance at life.

Weed is legal where I live, but it's still (I don't know if illegal) heavily discouraged to partake in it while pregnant. I'm straight up not allowed to sell it to a pregnant person who discloses it's for her (if she doesn't say anything or tells me it's for someone else, I can't investigate or look into it so we're allowed to sell - but if we ask probing questions and get the impression it's for her, abort sale).

[Asker]

Should nine month pregnant women be legally served in bars?

[Agagagagaga]

Why would you ever know whether they are pregnant or not before you sell them some green?

[Asker]

@Agagagagaga

What is green?

[Smoke-n-Growls]

@Agagagagaga Well, pregnant women sufficiently far in their pregnancy tend to show.

But also, custies be dumb sometimes and will legit tell on themselves real quick.

Ultimately, if we can't tell, and there's no indication she's pregnant, we sell. But if we hear evidence to the contrary, abort sale.

And Asker, green is another word for weed - and no, pregnant women shouldn't be served in bars. Where I live, they're not allowed to be served in bars.

[Asker]

That guy is wondering how to tell if a nine month pregnant woman is pregnant. Gee, I wonder.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Lol, it's ok. He likes following me around to try to play devil's advocate, but he's not really clever.

Maybe seeing women speak about pregnancy and periods will help him learn what he never did in school. XD

[Asker]

Ah, I see, he's got a thing for you. lol I fly under the radar for that very same reason.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

He does, it's creepy. XD

That's fair. I just tend not to give a fuck about GaG, it's just something to kill time. Funnily, I've had quite a few really good convos with gay guys in my DMs. The straight men on here are mostly terrible, but the LGBTQ guys are sweet.

[Anonymous]

It’s safe to assume these women are addicts. Getting pregnant doesn’t make beating that addiction any easier. Instead of punishing these women for failing to overcome their addiction, perhaps we should be fighting for more services to help them.
Tax dollars would be better spent going toward helping them, over paying for their upkeep while in jail.

[Asker]

How much experience do you have working in a prison?
Should burglary be OK if you're addicted to something?
Should rape be allowed?
Should home invasions be allowed?
What other crimes should be overlooked because of your addiction?

[Opinion Owner]

Drug addiction should never be treated as a crime. An addict cannot just stop. If they could, they wouldn’t be addicts.
Creating victims to fund your addiction is not the same as living inside an addicted body.
I maintain that, as a tax payer, I prefer helping people over punishing them for not being able to just drop their addictions.

[Asker]

Is there a reason you dodged my questions? Just curious.

[Opinion Owner]

I didn’t dodge anything.
“Creating victims to fund your addiction is not the same as living inside an addicted body.”
For this reason, drug addicts shouldn’t be punished for being addicted. That’s what you’re proposing, and I don’t believe it is a productive solution.

[Asker]

Should rapists on drugs be punished? I asked you before but you dodged it. One last chance.

[HighValue]

Working in schools as long as I have, many kids with learning disabilities are the result of the mother using drugs or heavily drinking alcohol before they were even pregnant and damaged her eggs. I think they should be locked up for abuse.

Close to 2/3 of the kids with learning disabilities are from mothers with a past of substance abuse from the information I have seen. 1/4 was from older mothers, and a small amount were for other reasons.

[Asker]

I'm sad when I see a person who has been dealt a shitty hand in life, but it's pretty fucked up when the mom made that happen.

[PinkMichae]

Hell no! Woman get their babies taken away if they test positive for even using marijuana. And that's not even as bad as Crack, Coke, meth, heroine, Molly, ecstacy, lsd, shrooms, opiates, alcohol, etc...

Thankfully hospitals test for all that.

[Asker]

So I guess that child protective services doesn't believe in: "My body my choice."

[FunkyMonkee]

Go right ahead if you don't mind living with a severely retarded or deformed baby the rest of your life.

[Asker]

They don't have to. They can abandon the child. It happens all the time.

[FunkyMonkee]

This is true.

[Asker]

One woman is defending this. It's hard to believe.

[FunkyMonkee]

I'm almost to the point where I can believe just about anything!

[Asker]

She said you shouldn't punish people on drugs for their crimes. I asked her if a rapist on drugs should be punished. She dodged the question, so I just asked her again.

[FunkyMonkee]

It's only convenient when it suits her.

[annabananna]

No that would be a horrible thing for a pregnant woman to do.

[Asker]

And sadly, it happens.

[xJayleenx]

Never

[Asker]

I agree. I've seen what it does to the babies.